Topic: Is it about morality or productivity in choosing to work from Home (Read 413 times)

Stop buying Elon Musk's stories because for sure he is for technology and will always attack those
people that does not user gas or electricity but what does working at home can do for him?
he does not even care for human but for His own benefits and his own money .

also WOrk from home is the best thing people can do now like us in this forum , we use to trade,
hunt and even work for our computer skills being paid so what is the need for Elon's word? and also this is the better place
to trade when you are at work right?
Your choice Your life .

Working in Home is nothing that can compared   to office job because you are holding
your time  and holding your decisions.

Am not sure to what would be the problem or an issue here ,

working from Home meaning less hassle and yeah have less time to spend in traffic or some irregularities outside our houses and yes this favor many specially those single parents or those family loving human.


Working at office makes people more physically and has potential to find other options in life because of struggles and yes also has irregularities .

Well i might agree about working Online is bringing Low on productivities because you are losing chance to be with people physically  but mentally ? i believe that there will be more options for me .
Now I am engaging with more brainy people( yeah those tech type and those have idea in vlogging )

but I don't know what morality can affect being Online or working home ,  but I still choose working in Physical one if given a chance again , but with my age now? Im afraid fit to work on that.

You know what's best on working from home? You are able to avoid the stressful city traffic especially if you're in the city where the rush hour are hectic and toxic.

That's going to save you a lot of time to your life wherein you can enjoy that spending with your family or anything that you love to do. That's why WFH should be implemented for most jobs where it is possible.

Of course for logic, it can't be done to manufacturing and other industries that requires physical appearance of the employee.

Nothing better than Working at home , because aside from I own my time I also own my freedom , because I am in control of everything now(actually work as businessman)
and yes I don't follow anyone now but myself , so morally and productivity? both is mine now.

Strongly agreed with most of the facts he stated .I  myself personally prefer to go out to work daily rather than working from home always but the situation in my country is not that easy any more .Its very hard to secure a job now with thousands already jobless so most of us work from home not by choice but because it is just a must.

Isn't the "billionaire" intelligent enough to realize that work isn't necessarily a paid job or working outside the home?
What does he say about mothers who work at/from home to ensure that their families are in order & children are well trained to become useful to society, or how about business owners or workers who live in their places of work with their families?


There is nothing immoral about working from home as a Mother to properly train your children, or running a good business from home or making your workplace your home.

Personally i don't agree with Mr. Musk it's not a question of morality but of opportunity, possibility if it's possible to work from home saving time and the cost of petrol and food and perhaps earning more why not do it?

There is nothing moral in choosing to work at home instead of going out like everyone else, as i see it more creative and more productive, it's like you'll get all the freedom u want and gain money at the same time, it is more funny and effective, the world outside is going faster that you can't handle everything and it slows your brain from doing all you want.

Its a different world with AI now - People are doing wonders with it. And there is no need to go to office. If you can do it on your own especially if you have sharp mind then you must try learning new skills and earn on your own.

Musk is a clown. He says that it's unfair for workers who can't work from home, but who gave him the right to speak on behalf of those people? He's not even citing any polls, just talking out of his own entitled ass. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't even believe in that, he just tries to appeal to the masses, while his real reason why he hates work from home is because he believes in some twisted ideology that says that people must work a lot to earn money, and if they not, then they are cheating. Which is ironic, because he himself would be nobody if not for his family's wealth that allowed him to buy companies that became successful - Musk himself is not very talented.

It depends on what you do too I guess.
The condition when working at home was at first forced because of the prolonged lockdown due to Covid which made it inevitable that they had to get used to it.
And now things like that don't exist and of course those who do their work centered in the office then have to go back to the office to work.

On the other hand it depends on what kind of work you do because regardless of whether it is morality or productivity I think it all leads to the same goal depending on how you put yourself in the job because everything will basically be the same but of course when we work and become employees you have to follow the rules because it is a requirement.

It is obvious that you will not be working from home if your jobs needs you in different places o in a place where the job should be done.  Like, you wont work at home when you are a machine operator.  You should be on the site of the machined to fulfill your jobs.


Elon Musk does not consider anything because he is so fond of his idea that he thinks it is the authority above others.

Perhaps Elon is being a bit crude -- there's still truth to his comments. Working from home reduces productivity, period. If the analytics suggested that there was an increase in productivity, then large companies would not have their employees return back to the office. They would spare no expense if it turned out it was more costly to have employees at the office.

As an aside: If your job can be solely done from home, then you're going to be one of the first up for AI replacement. It's also a job that can be outsourced to others countries with a cheaper labor market. There's utility to going to the office, it helps show that you're not replaceable.

Glad you know that Elon Musk is entitled to his own opinion and he also said he believes that people are more productive when they work in person than at home.
If we look into what he was saying he has a good point but his statement was not about the working ecosystems cause he was talking about a factory working area where some boss we stay at home claiming they are working which is an inequality from Elon's belief.

I used to disagree with Elon Musk, lol. Seriously, I don’t see immorality here, but it’s more on productivity like what you’ve said OP. Especially at the time of covid, people have no choice but to work from home, and that’s the time where they get to balance their work as an employee and their work as a child or as a family man. But it also depends on what kind of job you are into. But if what you need is only stable internet connection and a computer unit or laptop, then working from home would still create high productivity provided that you also work at your own pace.

What Elon Musk failed to understand that not all work needed a physical presence in their work place to get it delivered in this 21st century, some work can be done also from home, that's what Elon Musk need to understand that not all work has a same way of operations. What matter most is the delivery of the work task results

It's such a generalization as to be pointless. Every office job is going to be a bit different. So work from home may or may not matter.
Case in point, I have a friend who is an insurance adjuster. He had a cube farm to go to if he wanted to, but was almost never there. Covid hit, they shutdown the cube farm and everyone worked from home. But since 75% of his job was field work anyway. And a lot of time he went home at did the claims processing from his couch. It made no difference to him.

Now they want everyone in the office at least 1 day a week. He told them to stick it. He was not in the office 1 day a week BEFORE covid. It was just a power play from management.

Know someone else who does mortgage paperwork, she tried to explain it to me and I really wanted to ask if she was serious about the processes she had to follow But most of the time she was waiting for people to email / fax her documents. Since it was all email / efax anyway the office was just a place to go. She frequently went in 1st thing in the morning took care of what had come in overnight was was out of there in less then 2 hours. From then on so long as she kept an eye on her email she was doing whatever she wanted to do all day. Fast forward to covid and working from home and her company actually put tracking software on her laptop to see what she was doing. Yeah, that did not go well. But, she was still one of the more productive people at that company even though to the outside observer she spent an very large amount of time screwing around.

So no it's not about productivity at all. It's about people with small fragile egos wanting to lord it over their workers, and you can't do that if workers are not around.

More and more places are finding working from home gets better results from workers for less money.

-Dave

Most likely, people are working from home creates more productivity on both sides, they give enough time for their jobs and for their family. So instead of going to their offices spending more time and money to reach there, why not spend those time working at home efficiently. As long as the environment is still conducive and productive to the employee, that is the most important there. But for jobs that are highly possible within their own site, then working from home may not be advisable as it can affect the quality and productivity of their jobs.

This depends on the nature of your job, musk is entitle to his opinion, musk companies are mainly production company, there product must be delivered to the people that ordered for them and at such the supervision of his work force by him directly is needed so that their will be more seriousness and concentration in other to get the required product satisfaction also his presence in his facility will make his employees to be discipline in other not to be sacked, that's what I understand by this his statement, but he should also know that is not all job that requires you to go to the office, the major thing is if your company is satisfied with the services you are rendering to them irrespective of where you are working from, productivity is what every company is setup for and then morality comes in when attending to your customers or clients as the case may be so am of the opinion that you can work from anywhere in as much as you are doing exactly what is needed by your employers.

I remember he mentioned he worked literally 24/7 so he made his factory as a home too so he is giving more time than 9 to 5 worker even now he is just living a small ready built house his factory.

But its really subjective according to what job we are considering but for the sake of company they can avoid lot of unnecessary expenses if they let the employees to work from their home but if I am not sure everyone will be well disciplined like working in an office with working from home like they can be lethargic and postpone their task and if this becomes a culture of upcoming generation then we may see slowness in the work that is probably he meant.

I guess it's connected with both . productivity and morality in working at home are needed because what we face is clint. which brings us good name if we succeed to make them our customers. this is wrong with us freelance. it doesn't have a boss like we work in a factory. we are the boss itself. we just need to really serve it with the best service to really show our morale and productivity.

Depends I guess on the employee's comfortability. Just like in my country wherein work from home set up have just emerged since Quaratine period due to covid. However, it was adopted by some companies even if heightened restrictions are already lifted simply because they believe that as long as their employees are still productive even at home, that won't be a problem. But in terms of morality and productivity, ofcourse onsite set up would seem to be more fitting because that is where we are used of. Some are not being productive working at home because of the 'vibe' they are getting unlike in offices. Point here is comfortability and a company's satisfaction with their employee's.

I'll tell you about my approach to my own life, and it will get clear why I disagree with Musk. I'm okay with going somewhere and working there if it's something that can't be done from home or can be done worse from home. So, for example, when I worked as a school teacher, I was okay going to the school to physically be in the classroom with children because that's not something that can be done from home. There are online schools, sure, but I do see the benefit of physical presence of people in one room during lessons and additional benefits it brings like socialization of students during the breaks. But I also tried a job for a short time where I went to an office to just literally sit in from of my laptop and do stuff on the laptop. That's a kind of job to me where I don't see why I need to be physically there. I quit that job very fast and since then I never agree to jobs that require going to an office for doing something that can be done just as well from home.
So, if I apply it to myself, I don't think it's wrong to apply it to working from home or not from home in general. And thus I don't see it as morally wrong to work from home. It's also not the best choice for everyone, as some enjoy socialization at work, some prefer a strict work-life balance where the work stuff doesn't enter the home space, and some have kids or something else that makes it uncomfortable to work from home.

Totally irrelevant comparsion as types of job tells you about how to do it and from where you can do it means that there are some jobs than can be done online but some requires total physical labour  like workers in factories , delivery boys ans so on .
And mortality is totally irrelevant to online job or work from job that depends upon your way of doing it if you are doing your work with all attention you'll get maximum results and if not you will fail.

I can't believe a guy who is a big name in entrepreneurship will say such a thing, it's a very bad comparison how can you expect a mechanic to build a car on his home when all the materials to build a car are on a factory and, and the delivery person job is outside of the home and so on, there's a job that allows you or even a company allows you to work at home for great creativity like a software engineer, a writer or an architect.
There are jobs that you can do at home and jobs that will not allow you to do that, Elon Musk just wants workers to return to their respective offices because they think managers are losing control of these people when in fact according to studies here in our country those who work from home are more productive and become highly creative, that's because they don't have to stress themselves from traffic which accounts 3 to 4 hours of labor hours losses because our traffic here is one of the worse, I'm sure it's the same reason from other countries.

How can he speak in that manner when he's among those making it possible for robots to take over our jobs. Every day more jobs are been lost to robots and it's because him and his counterparts are responsible for developing robots and AI software that are doing the job faster and better than humans and in most cases cheaper than paying a human.

Jobs available are now global and can be done from any where so why should we leave those jobs just because we're not been fair to people like himself than needs to go to the workshop to build his cars or supervised the building of Tesla, he's not making sense.

Working from home has its merits and demerits.

Merits
Comfort: Some people find their homes more comfortable especially introverts. These set of persons are more productive alone and in a quiet workspace.

Flexibility: Working from home makes work less rigid. Workers don't need to be put in an office space that makes them work like prisoners. But at home, you can decide to create a workspace in any location of your home based on your mood. Your workplace can be in your garden on a very sunny day.

Save cost: Workers will have to consider buying work clothes and other accessories. Transportation costs and office space rentals are also expensive. But working at home might reduce these expenses.

Demerits
Space: If you live in a small or uncomfortable apartment, working from home might be a burden.

Family: If you have a family that has children, they might be a distraction. I will never consider working from home because of the young children around me.

Facilities: You might not have all the necessary work tools if you work from home. The office will always be better equipped.


This is not a matter of morality but the kind of job, the choice of workers, and the level of productivity

I guess it depends on what one's job is. If someone doesn't need to be as physically active as @OP says, they can work from home. After all, we have experienced Covid-19, where many people who work in offices have to work from their homes.

But for those who have to do physical work, they can't do work from home. If human labour is replaced by robots that can replace human physical work, maybe they don't need to do physical activity and just watch it from home. But if robots are used en masse, it will also pose a dilemma because there will certainly be many employees who do physical activities and will experience a reduction in employees.

And that will create a lot of new unemployment in many fields. Elon Musk can say whatever he wants, depending on the situation and conditions.

I can't dispute his opinion based on the fact he has given.. There are some specific sets of workers that may decide to work at home, why?
Just as Musk already said, Taxi driver can't stay at home driving his car nor does a rigger or crane operators works from home.

These are field works they needs to be present to execute their task on their various titles.
Examples of those who can work from home are musician, they may decides to create a studio in their home and create all forms of musical beats and sounds to suits their songs, they must go to studio.

In summary, staying at home determines on the job description and what you are into, you can't expect a cryptocurrency trader go into field to trade main while he can just seat at home to do his trading.

We all know that some opinions shared by Elon are sprouted from his OCD mentality and as such should not sound surprising, because honestly, as long as a job is done efficiently, the place should not be a problem.(since they differ in requirements and description). One would say he's got an efficient work ethic, but personally, I see it as hard taskmaster level and can sometimes limit a worker's creativity.

Nope. Definitely not.

I don't know if where did I watched it, but there's one video of him in the internet saying that he's working more hours than his employees. Correct me if I somebody saw this one also, but what I remember is he is working 160 hours a week. I know it's kind of impossible, but what's true is that he's working more hours than his fellow employees.

Morality? Productivity? For me, it's all about results. Whether you are working from home, or working in an office with your fellow employees, if you don't have any results in what you're doing then it's useless. You can work from the office, and produce good results, but at the same time, you can also work from your home, and produce good results for the company as well. I guess it doesn't matter where you work from home or work on the office, but producing good results for the betterment of the company matters.

As for me, I see working from as productive one. I mean we've seen companies allowing their employees to do work on their home, and still producing good results. Aside from that, they have more time to their family. Just imagine an employee spending countless hours in the road because he/she doesn't have his/her own car. On average, an employee here in our country spends 2 hours on the road per day because of traffic. Multiply it by 30, that's 60 hours already that the employee doesn't do anything, but sitting. Just imagine how many things you can do in that 2 hours per day. Spend time with your family, eat with them, go to shopping with them, can work more if you want. That's why I don't agree with Musk's mindset, and I believe many here are the same.

When someone is engaged in a job that requires them to feel free and work from home, there is no crime to that; one can possibly have their office at home, but it all depends on where their level of productivity is increased or where they find themselves reasoning so fast. There are some jobs that have the right environment that suits them best, and while you cannot just have a car factory, cement factory, flore factory, or battery factory at home, that doesn't mean, as a consultant (doctor), you can't have an office in your house, depending on the space you have at home. People work from home or get an office outside their home for different reasons. When you feel home is not comfortable for you to improve your productivity, then there is a need to get an office somewhere else. If home is full of noise and distraction, then there is also a need for an office.

There was a day I went to monogram my niece's school clothes. When I arrived at the place, I thought it was even a big shop, but demn... This guy turned his parlor into his shop, and all his machines were mounted everywhere. After I was done with the business that day, I calmly asked the guy why he didn't get a big shop, and his reply was that a big shop is too expensive for now, compared to the level of customers he has. He needs a lot of customers before he can meet up with rent payments, and since he's still a bachelor, he's got to worry about disturbance or distraction at home.

Sometimes people can create masterpieces while working from home, as they are in a calm and familiar environment. When working in a team, it is certainly necessary to communicate with your colleagues, but comparing mental work with physical work is completely wrong. Yes, you can go to work every day and sit there for hours doing absolutely nothing while receiving a salary. But working at home, a person may have more freedom; thus, in order to fulfill this or that order, he allocates some time and does it more carefully, which cannot be said about working in the office. What connection and what kind of morality can we talk about with couriers who work with their feet or with people whose work is connected with mental work? Musk, as always, thinks a lot.

As a matter of fact, not only is this not applicable to all jobs, this shouldn't also be applied even to the same jobs. It doesn't mean that since my job does not require me to be physically present in an office, I could just work from home.

During the pandemic there were many call center agents that were required to work from home. Some were happy. Some were not. To those who have comfortable and quite rooms and are located in good areas, they're happy. To those who are renting small and hot rooms with noisy surroundings and where there are no restaurants or stores nearby, it's a burden.

Definitely not he's just the mind and controller behind his team he may never comes to office properly he just controlled everything from outside .
The office desk jobs can easily  be carried out at home with 100% productivity because that totally requires your systems and softwares installed  but the business sometimes requires your total presence to complete some task .

Did Elon Musk always stay in his company from nine to five in working days? I doubt it

I think he can say that because there are many employee working in his company are asking to work from home, so he don't like it and say like this, to make his employee stay in his company. Work from home is obviously more productive, but a businessman will ask his employee to help other people jobs even though it's not their job desk, a businessman don't care, he will say it's a loyal act for the company.

Elon Musk has alot to say on every topic but in this matter he's being judgemental because work from home or not totally depends upon your job type . If you have a job which always requires your physical presence to carryout particular task that's OK but the IT jobs that needs your work and results not your presence is another case .
Productivity has nothing to do with work from office or home.

I suppose Musk here is fighting for "equality", where people of a single company should go to and fro in the same office every day for their work. And it's just dumb (and there really is no such thing as equality tbf). I mean, let's be real, his argument of service workers coming to the office to work REQUIRES them to work there because that's there, or at least a part of their job description, simple as that. Some jobs are able to function well enough in their homes. Though it may be a matter of preference for them, it certainly doesn't necessitate the requirement for them to go to the office to perform their job.

I agree that it isn't really about productivity, I mean some people are just more productive in the office with fellow workers, and some are just productive while in the comfort of their home. Morality? Now that idrk where he got that from. Plus, I say bosses, team leads, CEO's or whoever is in the lead probably just isn't used to handling people online, hence why they make them come to the office, where they actually know how to.  

Well said, Elon Musk might be famous since he's rich but I disagree with on this one. There's a lot of different jobs that you could consider already that needed to be present at your workplace or can be done at home. Some companies really wanted to see the work of their employees so they are implementing to work at their workplace even those jobs can be done at home. Of course as an worker some really prefer to work at home to be more convenient for them so they really give the best output which the company really like. In short it still depends it's not applicable to all jobs.

It is important to note that there are difference and perspectives on the issue of working from home and it ultimately depends on the specific circumstances of each industry and company. Maybe others will agree on Elon Musk's perspective, because he is entitled to his own opinion and everyone does also. Others may argue that working from home can lead to increased productivity and employee satisfaction. Ultimately, each company must evaluate the benefits and drawbacks of remote work and decide what works best for their business and their employees.

He sounded like he judged certain companies to be immoral. There are some jobs that don't have a physical office, such as a digital service company. I've read CZ write something like "where that day I was, there is my office".
All industries will want the work environment to be as comfortable as possible to make workers feel at home while maintaining production quality, even if possible they will place production machines in workers' homes. In the cottage industries around me, some types of work processes can be taken home.

I don't agree with Elon Musk, of course. You cannot speak of morality when it comes to whatever job you have for as long as it is not hurting people. It's not about right or wrong. All jobs that are for the good of everybody are right, wherever the workers may be working.

Elon cannot generalize works as if they are all the same, because they aren't. If you are an auto mechanic, you have to be physically present in your shop. But if you are a software developer, why can't you work from home? But both are doing the right things. It's just that we aren't in the same circumstances. There's nothing wrong with this setup.

He is just thinking about his company. I mean, he ain't looking at the bigger picture because this doesn't apply to all. There are really companies that have this, and let's say they are not essential workers like those who needed to go to the factory. What I mean is that as an employee of a work from home worker, it can make less traffic, less crowd, and mostly improve productivity at work as we can do it in our home without being late or tired of commuting. For sure, those people who have to go to their personal jobs know it, which I don't know why Musk said

It will be morally wrong if your job needs your presence so that the result will be more effective and perfect example with that is if you are working on manufacturing firm where your presence is really needed.

But if you are working as admin support, virtual assistant or anything related which job can be done anywhere well you don't need to go to office for this type of job.

Elon Musk should consider that its case to case basis before releasing that statement.

Generally speacking that am not interested in new coin investments. However i would like to point out that Elon Musk may not be the best example that you can adopt in your evaluation of any topic, since this person relies in most of his media statements on fallacies. We had known this through many experiences with him with Dodge Coin and space travel.

Jobs that do not need to be confined in the office have produced a lot more positive results compared to when they're inside the office. Also, those who are creating vehicles need to be on site obviously, and Elon's comparison on these two things are very poor. It's never a question of morality, it's the question of efficiency and how much things can be done on which setup while also limiting the cost of operations and whatnot. This is what Elon cannot comprehend, or he does but he's pushing the narrative to go out there and use vehicles because, well, he has an interest on it as one of his companies is working on electric cars.

I believe that a hybrid setup on jobs that this is applicable is way better than a permanent work-at-home or work-at-office setup because this change in environment can actually help the employee get a better feel at working because they are not seeing the same things over and over again.

I wonder why Elon Musk did not raise the difference in employee's wages as morally wrong.    It would gather him more attention than his argument of working from home as morally wrong.  The way he explained the reason why he thinks it is morally wrong can be compared to saying that the fishermen fishing on the water is morally wrong when the farmer are on land cultivating the crops.  Honestly I find it funny how he come up with such idea.

Companies doesn't let the employees get paid without working. Based on what I've come across, when we're in our office we need to spend eight hours working and when we come out of the office cabin we have our personal space. Now scenario have changed, anytime we can be called by the senior employees for queries as well as other needs. We're in a situation to respond and unable to ignore. Maybe the spending on travel and other things have decreased, but the employees are working overtime for the same salary 

It's not about morality or so. He has to understand that there are jobs and tasks that can really be done at home with certain tools provided by the company. He's aware of the WFH setup and that has been there even before the pandemic triggered. I don't know why he has to make this such a wide discussion and have to make bold statements about vague comparisons. He may be entitled to his own opinion but he's off and entirely wrong with that comparison. If people choose the skillsets that they have which will allow them to work at home, why stop them?
While those people chose the skills that will only be done inside the company's premises through working on site. There's no violation, there's no discrimination with the choice of anyone whether to work at home or to work on site.

I didn’t work for Elon Musk companies, but in the big companies where I was, it was customary to speak all orders personally. This is much more efficient than control via telephone or conference call. It is more profitable for an employer to save on office expenses, but this is not suitable for all employees. Recently, it has become fashionable to send IT workers to a remote location, but they still have to come to the office 2 times a week. I look at the experience of my colleagues, and their bosses require the presence in the office at least once a week.

I don't know what Musk's own underside standing of morality vs remote works is and as a matter of fact I have disagreed with a couple of Musk's thoughts and even his working-from-home thoughts.

Maybe designing an artificial intelligence wife sounds like morality to him, just like making electric cars.

It's all about the money and the fam but we a bigger than that because what matters is the quality of things you put your time into and there are different forks for a different job.

This situation is a case to case basis as there are jobs that you can do at your home.
Whereas, some positions need to be in the office to perform the needed tasks.
So it is not a question of morality, for me, it is how you can accomplish your job given the environment you are in.
There are so many home-based jobs now as you can achieve the same productivity at home.
However, there are some jobs that you can't accomplish at home like the laboratory jobs, or other hands-on jobs where you need company resources.

This is not a question of morality, but a question of "carrot and stick". Some workers need a carrot and will be disciplined to work from home, others need a stick in the office, otherwise they will not work effectively. Covid is over and the company must do everything to effectively manage employees, and this is easier to do in the office.

Elon Musk considers working from home to be morally wrong. His reasons are that while you are working from home, the people who make your vehicles can't, as they have to be at the factory. In addition, while you are working from home, the delivery person cannot work from home as they have to deliver your package.

Mr. Musk is entitled to his own opinion. What I think is that it is a matter of productivity and not morality. For example, the software engineer who works from home may be working on the latest innovative software for food delivery or vehicle assembly. Besides, where it is necessary, companies should allow their staff to decide what they want.

Do you agree with Elon Musk or do you disagree with him?

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