Is it allowed to register just to post in 1 giveaway thread over and over?

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Quote from: Lauda on August 14, 2016, 05:38:01 PM

Quote from: InvoKing on August 14, 2016, 04:42:25 PM

just neglect him (them) or added a neutral trust about a possible farming account and move on...

We should neglect account farmer or add neutral trust? This does nothing at all.

nah i mean neglect the genuine participants

for the accounts farmers i think a neutral trust would have an impact...well not a big one but will prevent members from buying it in the future.

For the other answers i think that we share the same ideas
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Quote from: InvoKing on August 14, 2016, 04:42:25 PM

i see some of you think that this guy (or others like him) is (are) just spamming? farming account?

A individual user doesn't really matter in this case. The idea behind the thread was to generally gain insight into the situation in the particular section.

Quote from: InvoKing on August 14, 2016, 04:42:25 PM

so do you really think that not counting posts there or even removing it would help?

Generally, it would prevent people from abusing that section to farm up their accounts without hurting the people that genuinely just want to participate in a giveaway.

Quote from: InvoKing on August 14, 2016, 04:42:25 PM

i don't think so especially if such users are just creating accounts to obtain a tiny rewards to gamble with it.

The solution won't have an effect on those, since they should not care about the activity and post count if they're genuine participants.

Quote from: InvoKing on August 14, 2016, 04:42:25 PM

just neglect him (them) or added a neutral trust about a possible farming account and move on...

We should neglect account farmer or add neutral trust? This does nothing at all.

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i see some of you think that this guy (or others like him) is (are) just spamming? farming account?
so do you really think that not counting posts there or even removing it would help?
i don't think so especially if such users are just creating accounts to obtain a tiny rewards to gamble with it.
my statement may be inaccurate but from what i read here few users went so far... just neglect him (them) or added a neutral trust about a possible farming account and move on...

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Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:43:19 AM

I'm confident you're wrong. There is nothing you can do to stop account farming, you can only make it harder for them, but at price of making the forum even more censored (referring to deletion of comments)

I may be wrong on whether and how effective this may be. However, I'm not wrong when it comes to bots. It would be very easy to code-up a bot that only posts the same message every 24 hours (e.g.) in a singular thread (or multiple ones). We have all kind of bots on the forums that are more complex than this.

Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:43:19 AM

Consensus is biased. If we are to indeed look for the greater good of the forum, this is the correct way to do it.

I'm talking about consensus within the staff-members. Just because you say "this is the correct way to do it" that does not make it so. This was discussed several times before, and I'm pretty sure that theymos does not want to remove signatures.

Making it harder for them is the direction in which we should be heading. However, even without signatures it wouldn't be bad to prune that sub-forum or exclude it from counting.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 13, 2016, 08:33:54 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on August 13, 2016, 05:03:45 AM

A better suggestion would be posts in there not count towards post-count or activity.

I wouldn't mind pruning nor that.

Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:01:57 AM

I doubt that would help, because it would just move spam (if user is indeed spamming) to another place.

I've heard this argument so many times, and I generally disagree with it. Should we not do anything in any section because the spam may move towards another section? The only section that can be used for post-padding without getting banned for spam are these giveaway threads. If we make it much harder to do so or render it useless, you can't expect those very same farmers to continue doing that just as easily. I also suspect that some of them are using bots to post in specific intervals (depending on the giveaway type). In other words, it would take a lot more effort to create an equal amount of posts (being created in these threads) in another section.

I'm confident you're wrong. There is nothing you can do to stop account farming, you can only make it harder for them, but at price of making the forum even more censored (referring to deletion of comments)

Quote from: Lauda on August 13, 2016, 08:33:54 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:29:39 AM

The only way all these discussions can be stopped and solved is to disable signatures once and for all, plus the forum would probably get more commission from their AD sales.

No. Punishing everyone because some people are abusing something is generally not the right way to proceed. From what I gather, the consensus is more oriented towards finding solutions and not removing the feature altogether.

Consensus is biased. If we are to indeed look for the greater good of the forum, this is the correct way to do it.

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Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:29:39 AM

The only way all these discussions can be stopped and solved is to disable signatures once and for all, plus the forum would probably get more commission from their AD sales.

You do know right ,stopping the signature campaigns would drastically reduce the traffic incoming to the forum.People are keen on advertizing on bicointalk just because of the traffic.A drop down in the traffic won't interest them anymore in advertizing here.I'm afraid if the signature campaigns are stopped on this forum,another forum could enable it on their site and with quite ease they can direct the traffic from here.

The forum was doing just fine before the campaigns came along. You're giving too much credit to them.

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Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:29:39 AM

The only way all these discussions can be stopped and solved is to disable signatures once and for all, plus the forum would probably get more commission from their AD sales.

You do know right ,stopping the signature campaigns would drastically reduce the traffic incoming to the forum.People are keen on advertizing on bicointalk just because of the traffic.A drop down in the traffic won't interest them anymore in advertizing here.I'm afraid if the signature campaigns are stopped on this forum,another forum could enable it on their site and with quite ease they can direct the traffic from here.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on August 13, 2016, 05:03:45 AM

A better suggestion would be posts in there not count towards post-count or activity.

I wouldn't mind pruning nor that.

Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:01:57 AM

I doubt that would help, because it would just move spam (if user is indeed spamming) to another place.

I've heard this argument so many times, and I generally disagree with it. Should we not do anything in any section because the spam may move towards another section? The only section that can be used for post-padding without getting banned for spam are these giveaway threads. If we make it much harder to do so or render it useless, you can't expect those very same farmers to continue doing that just as easily. I also suspect that some of them are using bots to post in specific intervals (depending on the giveaway type). In other words, it would take a lot more effort to create an equal amount of posts (being created in these threads) in another section.

Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:29:39 AM

The only way all these discussions can be stopped and solved is to disable signatures once and for all, plus the forum would probably get more commission from their AD sales.

No. Punishing everyone because some people are abusing something is generally not the right way to proceed. From what I gather, the consensus is more oriented towards finding solutions and not removing the feature altogether.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on August 13, 2016, 08:19:11 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:01:57 AM

I doubt that would help, because it would just move spam (if user is indeed spamming) to another place. If people are cheating in the way of expoiting the giveaway
with multiple accounts, it could be solved by checking double IP addresses on the sites that are in question. Forum wise - you can't do much without doing more harm than good.

Why should we care if the people are cheating in the giveaway's by multiple accounts ? Isn't that up to lightlord or the op's of the threads to do the curation ? Anyway they don't really care,all that bothers us is the forum spamming and I think hilariousnadco has a good suggestion,the posts in g and r shouldn't be counted towards potential activity.

I don't care, hence i said exactly that - "it could be solved by checking double IP addresses on the sites that are in question" (not on our side)

I think you should re-read my comment above - if you stop counting posts there (or any other section) - that will only move that spam to other places.
The only way all these discussions can be stopped and solved is to disable signatures once and for all, plus the forum would probably get more commission from their AD sales.

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Quote from: ajareselde on August 13, 2016, 08:01:57 AM

I doubt that would help, because it would just move spam (if user is indeed spamming) to another place. If people are cheating in the way of expoiting the giveaway
with multiple accounts, it could be solved by checking double IP addresses on the sites that are in question. Forum wise - you can't do much without doing more harm than good.

Why should we care if the people are cheating in the giveaway's by multiple accounts ? Isn't that up to lightlord or the op's of the threads to do the curation ? Anyway they don't really care,all that bothers us is the forum spamming and I think hilariousnadco has a good suggestion,the posts in g and r shouldn't be counted towards potential activity.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on August 13, 2016, 05:03:45 AM

I wouldn't be against Newbies or maybe Juniors not being able to post there to stop people just botting or abusing it with multi acounts but at the same time that section could be useful for newbs to bitcoin just wanting to get their hands on their first little bit of coins. A better suggestion would be posts in there not count towards post-count or activity.

I doubt that would help, because it would just move spam (if user is indeed spamming) to another place. If people are cheating in the way of expoiting the giveaway
with multiple accounts, it could be solved by checking double IP addresses on the sites that are in question. Forum wise - you can't do much without doing more harm than good.

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I wouldn't be against Newbies or maybe Juniors not being able to post there to stop people just botting or abusing it with multi acounts but at the same time that section could be useful for newbs to bitcoin just wanting to get their hands on their first little bit of coins. A better suggestion would be posts in there not count towards post-count or activity.

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Quote from: Darcius9 on August 11, 2016, 05:02:11 PM

This is a private forum. The owner can basically do what he thinks is right.

This is correct. It seems many fail to realize this. However, theymos has not voiced their opinion regarding this.

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on August 12, 2016, 04:54:26 PM

Yes, since that section is for giveaways, limit it to full members and up

I can see people complaining about that, however I think that giveaways should be meant for the people who are already on the forum. I would definitely agree to either:
a) Having a minimum rank for giveaways.
b) Pruning the threads every X days (dependent on the frequency of the giveaways).

If anything, this would render post-padding like that useless.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 11, 2016, 06:23:51 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on August 11, 2016, 05:17:19 AM

That 777 thread is mostly just used by account farmers not to mention I don't believe it even pays out any more and hasn't for months, but even if it does it's only occasionally and people do not get paid for every post that they have made but they don't care because they still get paid from their campaigns or can rank up their accounts easily. I've contacted Lightlord several times about it but got no response.

That's one of the problems that are indirectly caused by this. Essentially, one could take up e.g. 10 accounts and post only in these giveaways daily until they farm them all up. Technically, they could argue that what they're doing is "legit" even though the idea behind it is account farming and spamming in signature campaigns in the future. I guess it may be time to introduce some sort of pruning (especially for daily threads). E.g. delete all entries older than 7 days (this should prevent post padding without preventing certain ranks from entering). Are there any potential cons to this idea?

Yes, since that section is for giveaways, limit it to full members and up

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Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 01:38:44 AM

Quote from: Lauda on August 11, 2016, 01:29:28 AM

The last time that I've checked (I've encountered a similar case the other day), we didn't allow this. I do wonder how many alt accounts someone like this has? It seems time to also add some regulations for this section (e.g. minimum participation rank). Anyhow, I have notified someone regarding the case.

Do u mind explaining your logic on the case ?

- It doesn't violate forum rules
- It does exactly as OP instructed
- It isn't spam

If person is claiming with more alt-accounts, that's another thing, but an individual account claiming daily reward is exactly by the rules afaik.
Mods for the section are Cyrus and hilariousandco , it would be best to to ask them on the matter, but to me it's laughable.

This is a private forum. The owner can basically do what he thinks is right.

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I don't understand what you mean by post padding - how does an increase in someone's number of posts affect the ranking of someone else?

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Quote from: hilariousandco on August 11, 2016, 05:17:19 AM

That 777 thread is mostly just used by account farmers not to mention I don't believe it even pays out any more and hasn't for months, but even if it does it's only occasionally and people do not get paid for every post that they have made but they don't care because they still get paid from their campaigns or can rank up their accounts easily. I've contacted Lightlord several times about it but got no response.

That's one of the problems that are indirectly caused by this. Essentially, one could take up e.g. 10 accounts and post only in these giveaways daily until they farm them all up. Technically, they could argue that what they're doing is "legit" even though the idea behind it is account farming and spamming in signature campaigns in the future. I guess it may be time to introduce some sort of pruning (especially for daily threads). E.g. delete all entries older than 7 days (this should prevent post padding without preventing certain ranks from entering). Are there any potential cons to this idea?

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That 777 thread is mostly just used by account farmers not to mention I don't believe it even pays out any more and hasn't for months, but even if it does it's only occasionally and people do not get paid for every post that they have made but they don't care because they still get paid from their campaigns or can rank up their accounts easily. I've contacted Lightlord several times about it but got no response.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 11, 2016, 04:46:15 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 04:41:08 AM

Honestly, Lauda, i believe that having that "staff" mark on your profile has gotten to your head a bit too much. To the point of you telling people where they should post..

You asked me for my opinion. You disagree with it and now my "staff mark" got to my head? I have even asked another moderator about this specific user before responding here and they agree with me. As said, I have notified a global moderator about it as they handle such cases.

I asked for logic behind your stance, and created a conclusion based on your reply. (Your reasoning was not based on logic or any set of rules,hence, i was left with only one explanation)
I'm still entitled to an opinion, if i'm not mistaken.

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Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 04:41:08 AM

Honestly, Lauda, i believe that having that "staff" mark on your profile has gotten to your head a bit too much. To the point of you telling people where they should post..

You asked me for my opinion. You disagree with it and now my "staff mark" got to my head? I have even asked another moderator about this specific user before responding here and they agree with me. As said, I have notified a global moderator about it as they handle such cases.

Update: I have provided the reasoning behind the statement. Re-read my posts.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 11, 2016, 01:45:58 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 01:38:44 AM

Do u mind explaining your logic on the case ?

Well, IMHO it is spam, in addition to the input of two moderators the other day. I do recall some discussions revolving this in the past as well, but let's see.

Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 01:38:44 AM

- It isn't spam

I think you may want to refine your definition of spam. We are talking about 54 identical posts here (with minor variations).

Should we notify the rest of 2415 pages of replies that their posts are considered as spam ?

Are you saying we should force people into posting in other places, and not just where they want to post ?

Honestly, Lauda, i believe that having that "staff" mark on your profile has gotten to your head a bit too much. To the point of you telling people where they should post..

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I dont think he can be given negative trust or blocked from this forum just for that.I dont think there is any kind of rule about it.He is a newbie i think i didnt know how it works may be thats why ? But yes his rank will improve just posting like this.
One thing can be done is that all his this type of posts must be deleted so that his post count and rank doesnt get improve just posting same thing again and again.

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Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 01:38:44 AM

Do u mind explaining your logic on the case ?

Well, IMHO it is spam, in addition to the input of two moderators the other day. I do recall some discussions revolving this in the past as well, but let's see.

Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 01:38:44 AM

- It isn't spam

I think you may want to refine your definition of spam. We are talking about 54 identical posts here (with minor variations).

Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 01:38:44 AM

Mods for the section are Cyrus and hilariousandco , it would be best to to ask them on the matter, but to me it's laughable.

Correct, that's who I notified.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 11, 2016, 01:29:28 AM

The last time that I've checked (I've encountered a similar case the other day), we didn't allow this. I do wonder how many alt accounts someone like this has? It seems time to also add some regulations for this section (e.g. minimum participation rank). Anyhow, I have notified someone regarding the case.

Do u mind explaining your logic on the case ?

- It doesn't violate forum rules
- It does exactly as OP instructed
- It isn't spam

If person is claiming with more alt-accounts, that's another thing, but an individual account claiming daily reward is exactly by the rules afaik.
Mods for the section are Cyrus and hilariousandco , it would be best to to ask them on the matter, but to me it's laughable.

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The last time that I've checked (I've encountered a similar case the other day), we didn't allow this. I do wonder how many alt accounts someone like this has? It seems time to also add some regulations for this section (e.g. minimum participation rank). Anyhow, I have notified someone regarding the case.

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Quote from: InvoKing on August 10, 2016, 04:33:59 PM

Total Time Spent Online: 5 minutes.
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Games and rounds 54

well this is not good move from this user but personally i don't care since he isn't harming anyone including 777

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Also if you think this promotion giveaway is good then come back daily and post on this thread for an additional 0.05 mBTC to your account.

negative trust is useless, he can create another account..
just forget about it or inform 777 admin

I'm pretty sure you didn't even read the thread before replying..
Why the hell would you want to "inform 777 admin" ? - To tell him people are doing exactly like he instructed them to ?! You have his quote right there, and still you talk nonsense.

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well this is not good move from this user but personally i don't care since he isn't harming anyone including 777

Quote from: ajareselde on August 11, 2016, 01:03:07 AM

I'm pretty sure you didn't even read the thread before replying..
Why the hell would you want to "inform 777 admin" ? - To tell him people are doing exactly like he instructed them to ?! You have his quote right there, and still you talk nonsense.

i read it and i gave my point of view!
if the attitude of a user is annoying another one he had simply to report it to the admin of bitcointalk or the service in question...and yeah 777 will not care since they asked for it

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It doesn't count as spamming as he's posting in the Games section in a thread where you can claim over and over again (Even if it would have been against the giveaway rules, it's not against the rules of the forum. However, it could earn him a negative trust). I post in the Lottery thread of Rollin where again it's what we need to do but since this user is only posting in one thread, it looks he's genuine (as he doesn't post frequently and that's the reason he's joined the forum).

However, my one post was removed from the altcoins section where I had a similar post to this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15845295 It was deleted but I had posted on topic and had to mention my username to join the giveaway. Some rules don't make sense when posts on-topic are also deleted.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on August 09, 2016, 01:16:46 PM

oops, wrong link in the OP, here is the real deal
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blazin4with20-828809

Did you read the OP where he is claiming the giveaway ?

Quote from: raj1 on August 09, 2016, 01:35:51 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on August 09, 2016, 01:16:46 PM

oops, wrong link in the OP, here is the real deal
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blazin4with20-828809

i think it will be no problem doimg that he is not spamming the thread he is just clamming the giveaway with only sinle username not usimg multiple usernames

exactly.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on August 09, 2016, 01:16:46 PM

oops, wrong link in the OP, here is the real deal
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blazin4with20-828809

i think it will be no problem doimg that he is not spamming the thread he is just clamming the giveaway with only sinle username not usimg multiple usernames

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oops, wrong link in the OP, here is the real deal
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blazin4with20-828809

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on August 09, 2016, 01:05:52 PM

This user has made all of his posts in 1 thread is that even allowed? I dont think we should allow users to come here just to claim giveaways, what do you guys think?

If a topic serves a purpose , then every on-topic reply to it should also be considered valid, imo. G&R should be no different.
I don't see why you are stressed out just because he claims daily giveaway - I don't see any rule breaking here , only that a guy is scraping dust..

Pitches and forks, and burn them alive ?!

Someone may argue that you just made two threads here in meta that could have been resolved by simple "report to moderator" button.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on August 09, 2016, 01:05:52 PM

This user has made all of his posts in 1 thread is that even allowed? I dont think we should allow users to come here just to claim giveaways, what do you guys think?

Although there is no such rule that restricts user from posting in only one thread,its quite obvious that the account itself is either activity hunting or genuinely claiming the giveaways.Which in OP's case,it's both I believe!Not sure if that's a paid signature or he is even getting paid for those G & R posts.If you check out the previous posts over 5-9 pages,you can see him posting in other services or altcoin sections.Definitely not upto the standards!

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[https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=828809;sa=showPosts;start=40]This user has made all of his posts in 1 thread[/url] is that even allowed? I dont think we should allow users to come here just to claim giveaways, what do you guys think?

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