I challenge you to try and find patterns in chance based games.
The truth is you will not succeed because if it was even possible then people would be doing it all the time and casinos would have been bankrupt. All such "methods" that some tout about are in fact not good for anything. Any chance based games will simply have a house edge and therefore in the long term the casino always wins. Think of it twice before you try anything such.
It may give you a small advantage to count cards on poker tables, and improve your chances on blackjack, but still it's not guaranteeing a win. Further, it takes away a lot of the fun. So I'd say don't bother. Gamble for fun and don't expect profit. Otherwise you may lose much or even everything under false premises with gambling.
Topic: Is it legal to create statistical software for a game? (Read 336 times)
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
Usually casino games are checked and monitored against any biases and patterns, and there is a house edge on top of that My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
I remember something, there were sites that tracked the Crash game in some casinos... that was interesting for those of us who were chasing x100-x1000 or more, we could see when the last time there was a high crash. From that, I determined which bet to start with and had some vision of how many crashes are needed before some high crash comes.
It's ethical & fair, don't worry about that. Those aren't the right questions, the real question is whether it can help you create a winning strategy. Unfortunately, the answer is no, at least not one that will work in the long run.
I used to spend a lot more time and money on those things (auto betting strategies and everything related to them), but I'm not as free as I used to be. Maybe one day I will get back to it, who knows...
So enjoy and have fun, maybe you will manage to make something. If you decide to do it, I would love to see your strategies and hear more about your successes/failures.
I don't think that's ilegal, because even if we find a patern since the roll are random the patern will not be a constante, there is a house edge and there is nothing that we can do about that, the numbers are in the house side and that mean the house will always win in the long run.
That's an interesting topic IMO. From an ethical standpoint it doesn't seem like you are breaking any rules as long as someone is not using software to directly manipulate the game or interact with the casino. Storing data manually and analyzing patterns is more as doing homework to improve your chances which is very normal to me.
However, whether it’s fair depends on how the casino see it. Something siimilar to card counting in blackjack, working within the limits of the game, but casinos don’t like anything that gives players an edge beyond pure chance with their algorithms. They might consider it unfair even if it’s not directly against their rules, but they also have authority to do whatever they decide.
At the end of the day, casinos set the rules and players need to decide if they want to work within those limits or risk being flagged and take responsibility of their losses.
However, whether it’s fair depends on how the casino see it. Something siimilar to card counting in blackjack, working within the limits of the game, but casinos don’t like anything that gives players an edge beyond pure chance with their algorithms. They might consider it unfair even if it’s not directly against their rules, but they also have authority to do whatever they decide.
At the end of the day, casinos set the rules and players need to decide if they want to work within those limits or risk being flagged and take responsibility of their losses.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Even if you can access your history, adding some more software that tracks and computes what could be the next move is a solid thing, every move will be based on the data so Idk why some suggesting that the match history is enough to see what's your usual bets and the output of that thing. It's like comparing manual computation to a machine learning.
Let's say you are playing the roulette, waiting for a long streak of the same colour in order to place your bet predicting the break of the pattern.
Well from the op description, I think the type of pattern and or statistics he meant is the football statistics and previous results and not the roulette, because such games like roulette does not have statistics unlike the football.Some gamblers believe they can win safely by placing bets on teams which display a solid history of never having lost to teams considered weaker or inferior. Someone told me the key is to place a bet Real Madrid is not going to lose by a 4 x 0 score to an average club of the league. In order to do so, he has to place a huge bet to make tiny profit, but in his mind it's safe like investing money and making passive income from.
However, the underdog club can still be lucky or impressively skilled for a day and overcome Real Madrid. So, it's not a solid method to be used by gamblers.
You can find your previous stats history from the casino itself, you don't need a specific bot to do that and even if you have it can't be illegal because all you do is just enter the results of yours in different software to analyse and find out if there's any pattern. I bet people already did it and with more bigger scale than just our bets still they can't able to find any pattern and that's the definition of randomness, the result of each bet is independent and all the previous bets becomes irrelevant.
Apparently if there is a non cheating pattern that can give us consistent winnings I am sure we would all adopt it with boldness but would be concious if the strategy is obtained by a software that could be termed as cheating.
No, that’s just not possible. If someone can consistently win against a game with a house edge, it means they’re already cheating. Simple logic, my friend, these games are designed to ensure the house always has the advantage. There’s no way to beat them at their own game unless some form of cheating is involved. It’s just how the system is built, no shortcuts, no other way around it. 
What I know about this kind of software is that it is a tool to help you analyze patterns; some AI can do that, and how will they know that you created one? If you are betting fair and based it on your analysis, they don't accuse you of going to the future and coming back to bet if you are betting consistently.
All I know is they will limit you if you are consistently winning the house, but accusing you of cheating without proof will boomerang on the casino's reputation.
If this is how this software program works with the gambling and and knowing how strick and trickish we know the casinos has always been not to tolerate cheating especially when personal developed softwares is giving gamblers winnings strategies, the casino must surely penalize the player if caught.All I know is they will limit you if you are consistently winning the house, but accusing you of cheating without proof will boomerang on the casino's reputation.
So why not we just play along with our eligible self abilities where we can always be free from accusations and the denial of cash outs if apprehended?
Apparently if there is a non cheating pattern that can give us consistent winnings I am sure we would all adopt it with boldness but would be concious if the strategy is obtained by a software that could be termed as cheating.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
In as much as this maybe not work in all games and gambling and no gambling platforms Will ever permits the existence of such because it will reduce most of their chances of maximizing their profits knowingly to them. However, this might not really be necessary especially considering gambling as just a game and nothing to be overly serious about even though most tend to focus on it In terms of chasing riches which is very unrealistic because it has so many up and downs and nothing can actually be guaranteed.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
This is not new, I've seen a few external software and bots that interact with gambling platforms without issues. It started many years ago and it is acceptable to the extent that some gambling platforms will even add it in their adverts to lure more people to them believing that with those software and bots, they will be able to win more. However, the reverse has always been the case for the claims, casinos will always win irrespective of the programs you installed and they must have carefully studied the programs to ensure it is harmless and will not exploit their system. 
If it’s not cheating then it’s legal, and if it’s legal it’s probably ethical too.
Just keep grinding and looking for ways to beat the system though we all know it’s almost impossible to outsmart a casino. If you do manage to pull it off, you might even be the first to achieve it! So, keep developing your strategy but it’s fine to share your ideas, just never reveal the exact system. Once it becomes common knowledge, casinos will make sure it stops working. After all, you’re cutting into their business, and they won’t let that slide.
Just keep grinding and looking for ways to beat the system though we all know it’s almost impossible to outsmart a casino. If you do manage to pull it off, you might even be the first to achieve it! So, keep developing your strategy but it’s fine to share your ideas, just never reveal the exact system. Once it becomes common knowledge, casinos will make sure it stops working. After all, you’re cutting into their business, and they won’t let that slide.
If there are such skilled people who can analyze their games, make up a sequence of actions in the games they have played, and generally bring all actions to a neat and understandable way of playing, who can stop them from doing this? Don't many players, those who play not for fun but for their "earnings," build their "strategies" in their heads? I would describe all the behavior that the OP is asking in the same way. Until then, everything that does not harm others will not be a crime, and if such naive people are looking for ways to beat the casino, and the casino does not notice anything illegal in their actions, then there are no problems.
I don't think it would make any difference on long run, because results are random, and there isn't anything such as patterns in gambling results. Always you place a bet you are under risk of losing or winning it. By having access to statistics doesn't give you an assurance of placing a safe bet which will result in a guaranteed profit.
Many have already tried, but nothing was achieved in the end, because there is a mathematical house edge playing against gamblers, which is impossible to be beated.
Well I agree with you that there is nothing as pattern in gambling results, and also placing a bet has 2 chances of either win or lose as the case may be, and all these doesn't guarantees safe betting or profit, but I strongly believe that statistics of previous matches gives more accurate tips in prediction than just gambling with instinct. Most gamblers I know that often win in betting usually win base on working with statistics of previous match.Many have already tried, but nothing was achieved in the end, because there is a mathematical house edge playing against gamblers, which is impossible to be beated.
Let's say you are playing the roulette, waiting for a long streak of the same colour in order to place your bet predicting the break of the pattern.
Well from the op description, I think the type of pattern and or statistics he meant is the football statistics and previous results and not the roulette, because such games like roulette does not have statistics unlike the football.
I don't think it would make any difference on long run, because results are random, and there isn't anything such as patterns in gambling results. Always you place a bet you are under risk of losing or winning it. By having access to statistics doesn't give you an assurance of placing a safe bet which will result in a guaranteed profit. Many have already tried, but nothing was achieved in the end, because there is a mathematical house edge playing against gamblers, which is impossible to be beated.
Let's say you are playing the roulette, waiting for a long streak of the same colour in order to place your bet predicting the break of the pattern. Then 14 blacks have been rolled in sequence, so you believe the 15º is going to be a red. Statistically, the chances are with you, but there isn't any guarantees the next colour is going to be a red. It might be another black.
Let's say you are playing the roulette, waiting for a long streak of the same colour in order to place your bet predicting the break of the pattern. Then 14 blacks have been rolled in sequence, so you believe the 15º is going to be a red. Statistically, the chances are with you, but there isn't any guarantees the next colour is going to be a red. It might be another black.
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That's true, if maybe there's any casino that kicks against using such statistical model, they could include it on their ToS but if there's no such rule, it means you can use it, not to ignore the fact that such statistics would not guarantee a steady winning streak. If it does, then the casino will not permit it because they know it can give the player an edge if winning more than usual.
I guess the casino will not have a problem with that because I think I am not get that written in their ToS. But maybe I am missed on that point so I am not really know for sure. But the important thing is we don't break their rules and will not doing illegal things to their site so everything will be okay for us. Besides that, we just collect more data from the history and all things needed in the site and other sources of info. 
Maybe what you should focus on now is creating a data-driven approach or software that can help increase your win rate. Serious gamblers often look for ways to gain an edge. If you have the skills and knowledge to build a system, that’s a huge advantage.
But having a system doesn’t automatically mean it will work in your favor. You need to test and prove it first. If it works, then you can start considering whether it’s legal or not. IMO as long as it doesn’t disrupt the game’s system, it shouldn’t be illegal. Hopefully, you’ll find a system that works for you, but keep it yourself as casino can easily make adjustments if they see the system being abused.
But having a system doesn’t automatically mean it will work in your favor. You need to test and prove it first. If it works, then you can start considering whether it’s legal or not. IMO as long as it doesn’t disrupt the game’s system, it shouldn’t be illegal. Hopefully, you’ll find a system that works for you, but keep it yourself as casino can easily make adjustments if they see the system being abused.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
Measuring statistics is not unethical nor unfair and I do not see a way it could be considered such. I see it rather as hedging your risks. Although if you are going to be gambling then the odds are artificially stacked against you in the first place (house edge).
Also, measuring the odds beyond the initial measurement is not really useful for gambling.
Firstly the reason for creating a software like that in the first place is to maximise winning and I don't see where winning is a crime. The thing is casino games that work on the basis of randomisation make use of some complex algorithms and for you to take maximum advantage over such an algorithm you need to have it and then exploit its flaws.
This is exactly where the problem is. I see no way you should be able get such an algorithm without cheating or breaking rules which will obviously end up making the software illegal.
This is exactly where the problem is. I see no way you should be able get such an algorithm without cheating or breaking rules which will obviously end up making the software illegal.
it is hard to reply without clear details. most of all sites (including gambling sites) have some clause that would avoid any kind of advantage for the player.
you must be aware of that these can be also "hidden" inside their terms or just a generic phrase .
generally speaking, if you are tracking some of your data this will be ok. however if you're doing this with scrapers, AI etc etc this can become a little unfair (and probably not allowed) so a check must be done.
I was meaning to ask him how he intends achieving this without having to steal information from the site, of course casinos would never freely welcome you having a full information of the outcomes of the games on their website aside from the one you play. It is already unfair if you have to scrape the site for information and I believe casinos are aware of these possibilities, and surely, they must have taken accurate measures to limit or eliminate Bot activities on their sites. Also, that would be a total waste of your creativity, try being more productive with your time instead of trying to cheat the casino with its data (if that is really your intention). you must be aware of that these can be also "hidden" inside their terms or just a generic phrase .
generally speaking, if you are tracking some of your data this will be ok. however if you're doing this with scrapers, AI etc etc this can become a little unfair (and probably not allowed) so a check must be done.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
I would have loved to ask questions like other people, that what type of game are you referring to? But from my understanding I think it's football. Which is programed ln an automated system where every football match and results are stored in a database which may be used to analyze any match that involves the particular person or group of people in question. Well I will say such an idea would be awesome but that doesn't guarantees a regular win because things changes sometime the features of the match may change and results to what you least expected.Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
For me I would say there is nothing wrong with such Discovery as it will even increase the chances of making more money from the gambling sector. If it gives more accuracy. And Again I don't see it as being unfair since it was not like hacking or breaking into a site and hacking them. It would have been unfair if it was cheating. But in this case the botay not even be %100 sure in it's prediction.-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
I don't think its wrong because that in no way interfere with the casino, some persons even does it manually without them using an app, i think if you have got that chance of playing from the comfort of your home which gives you the chance to at any time play an apply any technique you want, you aren't attaching any bot to the site, its only but a strategy for you to have chance at wining so it will not be considered as wrong as there's no terms by the casino prohibiting it so you just make it your strategy and make sure to still abide by the casino rules and make the most of it.
After much said that you don't mean the bot technology I still can't understand what software program that could carry on this task.
Any kind of program can do that, you can do it even in excel if you want, it's just a bunch of data based on an action, a sum, and a result, nothing special, statistics like that have been around for ages, even before the internet.
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
It's nothing like that.
Counting cards is illegal because in certain hands you know that an event is impossible, for example, you know there are no aces or not 4 coming into the deck, with statics you will just manage to get a probability of such a thing happening if things like this would be illegal then they would have to wipe everyone's memory after a roulette game so they can't count how many time sit has landed on red.
Either way, for RNG games stats are useless, for sports betting you already have thousands of resources at a click distance.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
I think you can create anything that you think can help you win, and I don't see anything wrong with tracking statistics and trying to find patterns that way. If it helps you increase your winnings, then I think it's a good job, but I also think there are a lot of players who study statistics up and down, but it doesn't help them much in predicting future results, because each new game has its own unique conditions that are almost never repeated.
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I guess that will not be a problem as long as you don't breaks their rules. You collect the data for your own research to find the specific statistical pattern that can help you to win. But you can not have a high expectation to beat and win from casino because casino will their defenses as you say. Casino will not let us win easily so we must realize that and just trying to collect the data and analyze deeper.
That's true, if maybe there's any casino that kicks against using such statistical model, they could include it on their ToS but if there's no such rule, it means you can use it, not to ignor the fact that such statistics would not guarantee a steady winning streak. If it does, then the casino will not permit it because they know it can give the player an edge if winning more than usual.
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
They prohibit the counting of cards in blackjack because it gives the players advantage but it is not exactly cheating. Same thing here except like I said, it’s not like the casinos would know. I don’t think you should feel any guilt.
Anything that makes casino unprofitable using a strategy that will guarantee loss is considered as “cheating” due to unfair playing against them.
It’s not cheating in players PoV because it’s just a loop hole on the game but casino doesn’t players to win without any risk so they counted it as forbidden and in fact created different ways to fight counting that makes it impossible to do now.
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
You said it does not operate directly on the casino so I don’t think there is any way for the casino to detect the software hence it will not be considered as cheating.They prohibit the counting of cards in blackjack because it gives the players advantage but it is not exactly cheating. Same thing here except like I said, it’s not like the casinos would know. I don’t think you should feel any guilt.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
If its manually stored and there is no interaction with the platform only to store statistics, then its perfectly legal. Sports bettors are ponds of storing results for pattern and to give them results in their favor in future bets.Quote
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits
There is no term in the casino that says you cannot analyze games for profit. As long as you legally win and they see nothing wrong in your action, they will honor your winning, although there are casinos that restrict such players. but every bettors at least should have something that will give them a chance to win and not just rely on luck.These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
If you`re talking about casino games - it doesn`t matter, they are random. If we are talking about card games with card counting - it may be not ethical, but i don`t see a problem here. I don`t agree that casino prohibit it.My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
If we are talking about betting - it is the main part of betting, it is impossible to prohibit it. Without research you can make just blind bets, it is funny but i don`t sure that you can win some money such a way.
As the result - i see no any problem with using such software.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Casino games use RNG to determine the result of the game which means even if you collect millions of data from your bets you can’t still come to a working strategy to predict the future bets since every bet is random and independent to each other.
So it’s ethical and not unfair to create statistical software to record your game. However, it’s useless and will just give you false you hope that you can predict the outcome just because you spot a same pattern.
In reality there’s no way to predict the next outcome.
I'm talking about a hypothetical case where a user has such advantages, not about a specific software or game. But in case such software exists, it cannot be interpreted as malicious software because, as I proposed the case, the software does not interact with the website, it would only take statistical advantages. Similar cases have happened before, such as Black-Scholes and their popular Midas formula or Jim Simons in the stock market, which are examples of how statistical advantages can be legitimate and revolutionary.
Well, from my poker experience I can tell you that these programs exist but for poker, being the most famous Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker. They are legal in the rooms but there are many others programs that are not.
When asking if it is legal or not what you say (software to track casino games I assume), I think we are in unknown territory because if the house thinks it is suspicious it could prohibit it in their ToS but if it can help to catch cheating in the casino software it should be legal. Being so varied the legislation around the world is more complicated the matter.
After much said that you don't mean the bot technology I still can't understand what software program that could carry on this task.
What specific statist gambling patterns are you instigating? Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
That simply means it would be considered unfair and unacceptable.
Perhaps for cautious ness, this proposal would seem suspiciously malicious.
What specific statist gambling patterns are you instigating? Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
That simply means it would be considered unfair and unacceptable.
Perhaps for cautious ness, this proposal would seem suspiciously malicious.
I'm talking about a hypothetical case where a user has such advantages, not about a specific software or game. But in case such software exists, it cannot be interpreted as malicious software because, as I proposed the case, the software does not interact with the website, it would only take statistical advantages. Similar cases have happened before, such as Black-Scholes and their popular Midas formula or Jim Simons in the stock market, which are examples of how statistical advantages can be legitimate and revolutionary.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
It is better to read beforehand so as not to misinterpret.
You can compute the data you've gathered from the result of every roll of a dice, for example, or a toss of a coin. Based on that, certain patterns might be detected by a software, therefore it can make a guess as to the probable result of the next roll. Will the prediction be accurate, though? Although it might turn out correct, the answer is no. After all, each roll of a dice is completely independent from all other rolls. This is true to other random-based casino games as well.
this is not as you say, the probabilities change according to the results obtained. For example, a game based on random numbers between 1 and 100, guessing whether they are less than or greater than 50, if numbers less than 50 have been repeated twice, the probability that the next game is greater than 50 is approximately 75% and not 50% as one might believe.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
I will like to consider this as normal record keeping just that the data that’s being stored is your game history and if this is put into consideration then I don’t see how it’s unethical as it doesn’t violate or exploit anything on the site just your data.
I don’t know if it’s similar but I have seen several bots take stat from gambling site and then compile them which was later used to form some kind of patterns for players to follow; if the casinos were against such things I’m sure they won’t have made those details public in the first place.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Aside from being an illegal thing how would you even manage to make it work on the casino you are gambling?, no casinos will even allow anything involving an external connection to the site, so it most be connected before it can even work and without that nothing, however even if is a software you cannot connect to the site before working casinos are still impenetrable but if they find out were such connections is coming from definitely that would be the last day the person will use there casinos because they have broken their rules, however casinos are not trading were people uses software, so since statistics is what you want, perhaps you could just do it manually by capturing every moment of your wagering with your smart device because with that the casino will have nothing against you but that's too difficult to do because is work on it own and it may not even worth the stress. My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
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-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
Ethical? Unfair? Do you think that the casinos, which have rigged gambling games are ethical and fair? Why should we think about morals and ethics here? Is the creation of such software legal? I think that the answer is yes. The developers of such software aren't breaking any law or patent, by writing such software code. I don't know how a casino could possibly find out, that somebody is using such software to gather statistical data about certain casino games. Maybe if the software developers launch a website and offer this as a service, the casino owners could find out that their games are being used for gathering statistical data, but this isn't illegal, so they can't ban such website.
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I guess that will not be a problem as long as you don't breaks their rules. You collect the data for your own research to find the specific statistical pattern that can help you to win. But you can not have a high expectation to beat and win from casino because casino will their defenses as you say. Casino will not let us win easily so we must realize that and just trying to collect the data and analyze deeper.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
I like this concept. A statistical software right now cannot be without the application of machine learning. If you as a player wants to know more about the statistics and probable outcome of your next game, based on your past gaming patterns, a sophisticated and thorough answer will be gotten though the use of a machine learning model for the statistical outcome. And it doesn't apply to games of luck but skill. If you can set it up yourself and put collected the date from key variables then you can apply ML to it. For the casinos, I don't think they have any option like this yet. -How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
What I know about this kind of software is that it is a tool to help you analyze patterns; some AI can do that, and how will they know that you created one? If you are betting fair and based it on your analysis, they don't accuse you of going to the future and coming back to bet if you are betting consistently.
All I know is they will limit you if you are consistently winning the house, but accusing you of cheating without proof will boomerang on the casino's reputation.
All I know is they will limit you if you are consistently winning the house, but accusing you of cheating without proof will boomerang on the casino's reputation.
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I wouldn't say that it's wrong or unfair, I mean if just gathering enough data was more than enough to figure out how to win in their games, then it wasn't much in the first place. You don't even need a software to do it, even just manually listing it and looking for patterns would've been enough to determine it. And even the argument of blackjack can easily be countered since they've already fixed that by using multiple decks. No matter what as long as it isn't in the ToS, I reckon you're fine. And technically even if it was, I hardly doubt they'd be able to sniff you out for doing so. Not that many would do it in the first place tbf.
it is hard to reply without clear details. most of all sites (including gambling sites) have some clause that would avoid any kind of advantage for the player.
you must be aware of that these can be also "hidden" inside their terms or just a generic phrase .
generally speaking, if you are tracking some of your data this will be ok. however if you're doing this with scrapers, AI etc etc this can become a little unfair (and probably not allowed) so a check must be done.
you must be aware of that these can be also "hidden" inside their terms or just a generic phrase .
generally speaking, if you are tracking some of your data this will be ok. however if you're doing this with scrapers, AI etc etc this can become a little unfair (and probably not allowed) so a check must be done.
I don't think it would be unethical or unfair.
What if someone has good memory and could calculate statistics in mind, just like your software would do? Would that be unethical?
This software just keeps track record of your games and calculates statistics. Is keeping track record illegal? Is calculating statistics illegal? I don't think so.
What if someone has good memory and could calculate statistics in mind, just like your software would do? Would that be unethical?
This software just keeps track record of your games and calculates statistics. Is keeping track record illegal? Is calculating statistics illegal? I don't think so.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
I do not think there is anything unethical here. There is no harm being made towards anyone. You are basically just noting down the games you have played and looking for patterns but with the help of a software technology which I do not even think is the first time for anyone to do.Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
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-Would it be considered unfair?
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
I don't see anything illegal in making even a bot that will collect information from the site. Theoretically, anyone can write this information in a notebook and no one will forbid him, which means that the bot should not be banned either. However, the casino always has its own mind and they can easily block the gambler for suspicious actions on the site. Because I think the gambler is on their territory. Although in my opinion this is generally illegal, because the gambler also wants to try to create his strategy.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
I don't know how this will become unethical and unfair when you are just storing results. If you find a statistical pattern that will help you win games, then that's good for you. I don't see any cheating or manipulation; you are basing your bets on projected winning.
There's such a thing as a statistician, a guy whose job is to find patterns, and its not only on gambling; its being employed in many industries, so go for it I don't consider this cheating.
Data is most useful in sports betting. For other games, I don’t really see how it would work since the results are usually random. It might just be a waste of time inputting data and thinking it will help predict the future.
For sports betting, it’s much easier, especially with websites like this: https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/trends/ats_trends/. It has all the data you need on different games. I just shared the basketball section because that’s what I usually bet on.
For sports betting, it’s much easier, especially with websites like this: https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/trends/ats_trends/. It has all the data you need on different games. I just shared the basketball section because that’s what I usually bet on.
Fair enough the idea will work better on sports games. When it comes to statistics in sports games, you can measure the strength of a team and compare it with the other team they are playing against. As for casino games, it may be a lot more difficult for this to work especially slot games, crash, and other games that are most of the real-time games.
I doubt the game will help make guesses for each game. And of course, your statement "accurate guess" is wrong. There is no guess that is accurate. What the software intends to do based on my little knowledge is it will help show what might be the possible outcome in every game you feed the statistics to. I belive you will also be sharing the previous results of the game every time you play it and the software we help show if there is a structured pattern the game follows but that isn't accurate.
Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
i think the idea is to create a system that can analyze past data and use it to make a more accurate guess on whatever prediction you intend making at the present. for the question, Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
I wouldn't say it is illegal, but probably its' the question on how you can get that data from casinos? For sure if you requested them, they will deny without any explanation. So what will be your next move if they do that? Obtain it illegal? Then what's where the issue will come and it's not about how ethical it is, they will still deem this as illegal. And just like what others have asked, what kind of games are you going to create this statistics?
It will be interested to know and maybe some are already available to us and being shared already by casinos. In the end, you will not have total control about it, just saying. And if casinos found out what you are doing, who knows, maybe they will ban your account.
It will be interested to know and maybe some are already available to us and being shared already by casinos. In the end, you will not have total control about it, just saying. And if casinos found out what you are doing, who knows, maybe they will ban your account.
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Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
I believe this is totally fine especially if you are playing virtually like an online casino, they don't care what you are doing while playing, as long as you are not cheating or using some software that could make advantage to them. Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
This is like the same of using manually paper and pen taking notes or some things that could help you analyze the game.
Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
i doubt that the idea is to manipulate any data from the end of the casino. that out rightly is cheating and that is not the question here, i think the idea is to create a system that can analyze past data and use it to make a more accurate guess on whatever prediction you intend making at the present. for the question, how you are going to obtain your data is going to be an issue and what kind of game it will work on is another factor that is very important. for sports betting, regardless of the data you have collected and the machine or software you use in carrying out such analysis, you cant still be too certain of the outcome of the game. though it is usually not with a set out software, people generally try to make analysis that has the potential of beating the game they are predicting on. whatever you are doing to get your result, as long as it is not agaisnt the casino rules and that you are not cheating, it is completely legal.Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
As others have said, what kind of games you are looking at?
I'm thinking if for roulette, I think they are already providing this data already, hot numbers, black and red percentage etc. Same with baccarat, they also have statistics that you can look at.
So not sure what kind of games are you looking at to look at patterns. As for slots, I don't know how you can get those data.
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I don't know why I'm not finding it difficult to grab you point Op.
After much said that you don't mean the bot technology I still can't understand what software program that could carry on this task.
What specific statist gambling patterns are you instigating? Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
That simply means it would be considered unfair and unacceptable.
Perhaps for cautious ness, this proposal would seem suspiciously malicious.
I don't know why I'm not finding it difficult to grab you point Op.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
After much said that you don't mean the bot technology I still can't understand what software program that could carry on this task.
What specific statist gambling patterns are you instigating? Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
That simply means it would be considered unfair and unacceptable.
Perhaps for cautious ness, this proposal would seem suspiciously malicious.
You can compute the data you've gathered from the result of every roll of a dice, for example, or a toss of a coin. Based on that, certain patterns might be detected by a software, therefore it can make a guess as to the probable result of the next roll. Will the prediction be accurate, though? Although it might turn out correct, the answer is no. After all, each roll of a dice is completely independent from all other rolls. This is true to other random-based casino games as well.
It would be nice to know the statistics of which game you intend to collect. Because there are already existing calculations for random games. And, although I'm not sure, in my opinion there are some rules that set the limits of advantage (casino) in slot type games. That is, let's say you collect statistics for a certain game, then compare it with known characteristics (if available) and see that, say, the game does not meet the stated characteristics in terms of probabilities.
If these statistics collection activities are not explicitly prohibited in writing, then I do not see anything unethical, illegal or unfair in such actions. You can also collect data for monitoring purposes. Actually, I don't understand why you need this. I could also understand collecting sports betting statistics in order to predict future results, but collecting statistics on a random game is only possible to convict of fraud, since it is easier to calculate probabilities using a formula if necessary.
If these statistics collection activities are not explicitly prohibited in writing, then I do not see anything unethical, illegal or unfair in such actions. You can also collect data for monitoring purposes. Actually, I don't understand why you need this. I could also understand collecting sports betting statistics in order to predict future results, but collecting statistics on a random game is only possible to convict of fraud, since it is easier to calculate probabilities using a formula if necessary.
In what specific game will you use it?
My memory is still good and I think it will not work with slots. I have seen repeated rolls but never the same result after 100 rolls. I don't think it's only about each play but your winnings and losses are also considered whenever you roll.
So, even if you put every result of each roll in software, there's no guarantee that you will have the same result as what you are about to predict using the software. I have been playing slots for a long time and I have favorite games that I repeatedly play which is why I could say I've seen some rolls before but didn't end up like the first or the second one.
It could be a waste of time, but test it out if you have the spare time.
My memory is still good and I think it will not work with slots. I have seen repeated rolls but never the same result after 100 rolls. I don't think it's only about each play but your winnings and losses are also considered whenever you roll.
So, even if you put every result of each roll in software, there's no guarantee that you will have the same result as what you are about to predict using the software. I have been playing slots for a long time and I have favorite games that I repeatedly play which is why I could say I've seen some rolls before but didn't end up like the first or the second one.
It could be a waste of time, but test it out if you have the spare time.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
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