Is it morally right for beggars to gamble?

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Now we know why they are still beggars, they are so addicted to easily made money which they did not work hard for. There is no reason that is enough to justify beggars for gambling. A beggar who gambles is a lazy and irresponsible. Since their major aim of gambling is to make money, there are chances that they will be investing all the money they are making from begging into gambling. It becomes even worse if they are losing so much and chasing losses. Begging to sustain their gambling desires is the most miserable lifestyle I can imagine right now.

The dangerous thing is that if a beggar is already addicted to gambling, he becomes ambitious to continue gambling and is very passionate, he will certainly commit crimes to get anything in order to get money to gamble, not a few people commit criminal acts to get money to finance his gambling.

The poor are not fit to gamble when it comes to morals and logic especially for someone who understands finance, and the beggar makes money by gambling, it will not find a decent thought for a person to do gambling when he does not know what he will eat tomorrow.

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This is quite interesting because there are a lot of statements that say that “gambling was created for rich people to have fun with their money” which triggers that there is no feasibility for someone who has financial difficulties to gamble, so that logic is not wrong in my opinion, because it may be true.

But also we can't deny that someone might be looking for happiness in gambling, and are poor people not allowed to be happy in gambling? of course that's not the mindset either, something that we need to understand in a context that might make us enough to take a middle ground, anyone is allowed to gamble, for whatever reason he gambles and regardless of his condition, is his own responsibility. Grin

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

This is what gambling turns people into, it can turn someone that's financially independent to be a beggar. Sometimes I just scout the comment section on msport aviator and see a lot of people begging there, it all started when they lost everything they had in gambling. Helping such people is a waste of time because no matter how much you give them they will lose everything, They can't utilize the resources that gets into their hands because of this addiction. when you meet people like this giving them money isn't the solution to their problems

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Once the money you gave them is in their possession, they can do whatever they want with it, regardless of whatever moral objection you may have towards those people using that money to gamble or to buy illegal substances to consume, now without a doubt it is a mistake to use their limited funds in something that does not bring them an immediate and key benefit, but at the same time we must not forget that a person does not become a beggar out of nowhere, and that in order to get to that state a person needs to have a lot of problems they cannot solve on their own.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

have you ever hard an encounter with a drug addict who after you've given him money uses it to smoke immediately he receives the money? Note that before a begger collects money from a stranger and immediately uses it to gamble, it's likely that he has gamble himself into being totally broke and resort to begging to sponsor his gambling or he is mentally unstable and uses his money on whatever enters his mind after someone gives him the money.

If I ever give a begger money and he uses it for the purpose of gambling, I'm never giving him any dime again. Sometimes we're too fucosed on advocating that a gambler needs to be up to 18 years before he should be allowed to gamble without talking of other factors like being mentaly stanble and having a good source of income. If anyone can't at least provide for himself and have the spair money for his gambling, he should never think of gambling in the first place.

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Lets leave moral here. In the first place these beggars might not be beggars from the very beginning but they turned into beggars due to their attitude toward gambling. They are addicts and every money they get, they tend to use it to gamble. The first thing always on their mind is gambling and this attitude starts gradually from when they start begging little money to recover their loss in the local casino's office. From there they feel they can beg anyone outside of the casino. This is something i have come across multiple times and it is one of the reasons i stopped going to the local gambling office because such character can be normalize over there and before you know if you are friends with such persons one can be easily influenced gradually.

I think the first instinct that should be in the mind of a beggar when they give him money should be to survive. Gambling with money is wrong, it just shows that the beggar is comfortable with begging and dont have plans to stop anytime soon.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Now we know why they are still beggars, they are so addicted to easily made money which they did not work hard for. There is no reason that is enough to justify beggars for gambling. A beggar who gambles is a lazy and irresponsible. Since their major aim of gambling is to make money, there are chances that they will be investing all the money they are making from begging into gambling. It becomes even worse if they are losing so much and chasing losses. Begging to sustain their gambling desires is the most miserable lifestyle I can imagine right now.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Let's start with how would I feel if I see a beggar gamble with the money I just gave them? I would feel nothing, I would make a mental note to never give that person another dime. No point in getting mad about it, once it left my hand it wasn't mine anymore.

Now let's chat about begging in general. Go hang out in 1 of the online site chats. Look at how many people sit there all day hoping for a few cents of rain or a 25-50c tip from the mods. They are there every single day and got their hand out the whole time. once they get their penny they lose it in 2 seconds and right back to chat waiting. It's really a sad existence. This is also just what happens online.

The beggars you see in the street in your towns I will not give anything to because you don't know who is really begging out of no choice and who is begging for a living. There are groups that work together and go begging on a different corner everyday and get picked up at night and go party on the money they got. They have the ability to work and make money, but would rather let society fund their habit. It's easier to offer to buy them a sandwich or something, then you find out who is really in bad shape and who just wants money for their habit.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on September 04, 2024, 01:56:25 PM

Firstly why would a beggar gamble? Sometimes people do certain things that are not rational and that's fact. For someone to be called a beggar, it obviously means that they don't even have enough to cover for a great deal of primary needs. The question is why would someone in such a drastic state still think about gambling? Yes there is always a chance of winning the bet but the first question is is it worth it? You are supposed to gamble what you can afford to lose not money you are drastically in need of.
And simply from the context a beggar doesn't have some to spare because if he actually does he wouldn't be called a beggar in the first place.

I think this is possible because the beggar are different from the norms, let's just say they're beggars by choice, they may even have other source of income or are totally making it begging, they have little or no challenges on why they're begging in the first place.

Is just like how someone may just walk up to you begging for money, speaking about having no food or needing medical support for themselves or loved ones, looking somehow raggedy and when you decide to help them with something, they just go get something odd probably cigarettes.
Actually this maybe also through addiction that set of individuals wouldn't just mind than to act like beggars, cook up any stories just to get money for gambling and this might probably what have brought to that state first.

Also there maybe some of these actual beggars who would have probably known a beggar or someone who won something good from gambling and now they're tempted to gamble with some amount of money they're given

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Seeing a someone you just gave money for food using it to gamble few minutes later is really heartbreaking, and if I'm to be the person in such situations, I will never give that begger money again if he/she happens to approach me, because it's actually a misplaced priority, as thou we all know when it comes to gambling, anybody is at liberty to winning big of they are lucky to hit the jackpot, but begging should not be a means people should use in generating funds for gambling, as it's typically not ethical to acceptable public moral standards, as such habit is likely to discourage many people from helping genuine street beggers.

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Firstly why would a beggar gamble? Sometimes people do certain things that are not rational and that's fact. For someone to be called a beggar, it obviously means that they don't even have enough to cover for a great deal of primary needs. The question is why would someone in such a drastic state still think about gambling? Yes there is always a chance of winning the bet but the first question is is it worth it? You are supposed to gamble what you can afford to lose not money you are drastically in need of.
And simply from the context a beggar doesn't have some to spare because if he actually does he wouldn't be called a beggar in the first place.

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Everyone has the right to dream about a life changing event and gambling can give you that but are you that person 1 in 150.000.000 to hit that jackpot, I doubt this is the way to go for a beggar, the beggar depending on how he got to the point of begging should try to clear his situation in every possible way he can and if there is not any possibility at all for him then I would say there is nothing wrong to gamble from what he has left after he has bought the necessary food and has his stomach somewhat full, if he gambles and stays without eating and uses money that he gets from begging then most likely this is not at all the way to go. In the end we are the owners of our destiny in the sense that our future is made based on our decisions and it comes to mind to me that those who have become millionaires have not given a shit to what people were saying and followed with discipline their thing, that is what the beggars and the rest of us should do.

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It feels very hard that the money you earn through hard work is given to poor people, and they use that money for gambling. Remember, for some people, gambling is a gateway to escape from their hard work, and they think that gambling is the only way to get rich. In many cases, one big bet can change their lives.

I think beggars use the same strategy to earn money, taking money from someone and gambling it in hopes of becoming rich. I believe there is nothing wrong with this; all people are human beings, and just like us, they also have desires and plans for which they struggle and collect money from others. If they have the right to live a good life, then help them achieve that. If your money is being used in a casino, then don’t worry; your money is helping a person and producing a good citizen for society.

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Beggars are humans too who I am sure wish to partake in many of the activities that those of us that are fortunate to be privilege in the society do partake in. Since gambling by law in all society's only prohibits underage and mentally retard person from gambling, with this stance I find no problem with knowing that beggars too also do gamble but let it not be with my money I offered them out of pity.

I am right now just imagining how I'll react having to meet in a physical casino or betting shop a gambler I had just given some money out of pity just hours ago now risking away the money on gamble right before my very eyes. Huh

Not sure I'll repeat the giving again.

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I have a question for you, OP. If you think about the morality of beggars gambling, is it moral to be a beggar in the first place?

The way I see it you have to hide your pride to do that. Also, you have to possess no skills or simply be lazy to beg. The only beggars I can accept are disabled or sick people, who can't find other ways to make money.

So, if a beggar who's sick gambles it away, that's immoral for sure. If a drug addict or an alcoholic does the same, it doesn't really matter as these people don't care about morality.

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Quote from: Hatchy on September 04, 2024, 10:41:45 AM

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Most times before I offer help to anyone who begs, I have to take a look at the level of your physical disability. I don't give out money to a begger who has his two legs, two hands and all parts of his body still Intact. Most of these people aren't beggers but bunch of lazy Individuals whose last resort to get money is to beg. What more seeing someone you gave a helping hand money at a gambling shop, placing bets? I would be pissed a lot. Someone who rely needs a helping hand wouldn't even have a thinking for gambling as that might not be in his own agender. But if the later, then they won't be gambling for the fun but the profits which definitely will lead them to losing.

you'd definitely rather not see your money going down the drain because you gave it to someone and the person spent it all
this would be just sad

I agree that some beggars are like Hatchy describes but others aren't
it's hard to know each person situation and challenges without really talking to them

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

I'll feel pity and disappointment, I would probably be more reluctant to give money after that, I mean, I expect them to use it more responsibly instead of using it to gamble, while I understand that gambling gives them a chance to win money or maybe win a jackpot, it would still be far more responsible to use the money they begged to more useful.

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If we were to compare someone who has the capacity to gamble with someone who does not, it would definitely be a different story for both situations. If we were to compare the stakes of each person with the same amount, the beggar would have the higher stakes, meaning more consequences would be experienced by the beggar.

odds are very different and it is probably unfair.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

It's very hard to answer if we are going to talk about morality here, of course everyone can go and play, as it is their right. But here there are a lot of pros/cons. Just imagine if the money that you give to the beggar, he gambles it and won, it could change his life, or potentially improved his situation.

But with the cons, what if the outcome is not favorable to them, and could really put them in dire need. And obviously, the cycle will repeat itself, they are going back to the street, begs for more money and then continue to gamble.

And with that, there is this argument that we shouldn't really give money to them because they are going to be free loaders for the rest of their lives. But then again, we have been religiously teach in school to give to others and help. So I guess this is also a never ending debate.

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One shot, big shot. Well, it's psychological and I think many poor people do the same.

I can see the problem in it because my grandfather played the national lotto for almost his entire life and had never won the jackpot. The chance to win is so slim that it's probably best to just save all that money and use it in a better necessity.
But, can we blame them? They lack the financial mindset and all they can think about is winning that jackpot and they even have dreams once that happens.
This kind of thought pushes them to keep on doing it every day and I think that's the fun they can have while waiting for the lotto draw to happen.
Morally right? I think it's financially wrong.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Beggars has their own life to live therefore those who resorted to beg and use their alms to gamble possibly do so to make end met to serve as extra income provided that they are consistently winning their bets because I believe they would not gamble with all the money given to them, while some of them could be good gamblers but due to lack of fund to play bet has to beg, however that does not means you shouldn't give them money once you played your part by giving them your token it's up to the beggar to use their money to spend it on any thing or gamble with it.

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It's morally wrong to be a beggar. A person might have some bad period in life that may compel it to beg but begging as a profession is morally wrong and should be discouraged. A person who begs to fulfill his/her immediate needs would never gamble with donated money but many beggar who chose begging as a profession do indulge in gambling. It this way, they are morally wrong again.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun.

No, they gamble to win... and every time they think it's their turn to win, but they lose again, and again...

I think I already wrote about it, these beggers have $10-$20 (or maybe a little more) and they know they can't buy many things, but if they go to a casino and if they win then they will have money for everything. Blinded by big dreams of big wins they risk what they have, but we all know that winning in lucky-based games is not so easy. And their game of choice is a lucky-based game, they wish to win now... they can't afford to wait.

And is it morally correct? Of course not, people shouldn't be gambling with money they can't afford to lose... but they are drifters, their moral compass is different and they think differently.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

What I used to do in this case was to go and identify the beggars who used to gamble with the alms money in the initial stages I would warn them and if they did not come back after warning then I would never donate any money or anything else to those beggars who do gambling with the donated fund.

Also I will only introduce my friends or relatives to those beggars who gamble with begging from people and I will suggest them not to donate to those beggars. And I have to agree with you that these beggers are definitely not gambling for fun because gambling for fun is only when you have enough money that you can afford.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

You should not blame them because they are looking for way to multiple their money so that they will stop begging from the street, but a wise beggar will not indulge into gambling since he or she knows that the reason why money is being given to him or her is to have a daily bread, wise beggar will like to accumulate the money people dash them and use it to establish a good business for himself or herself, but someone should be enlighten first before they join gambling, involving in the gambling with money people dash you to take care of yourself is not good for my own way of understanding.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Some do but most of them are looking to change their lives through gambling, Lotto is so popular here in my country and I have seen so many beggars or very poor people who just trying their luck and bet on Lotto in the hope of changing their lives for the better.

We cannot judge them that what they are doing is wrong because like me and all the others they have the right to dream and take a chance to change their lives so I don't want to judge them because I do understand their goal and motivation.

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Beggars are still human beings like you and I, they are allowed to gamble for fun and profits. Who knows luck can shine on them someday, that will make them stop begging. They wouldn't beg forever, remember.

In this life, no one wants to remain in a spot without taking some risk in lucky activities. If a beggar chooses to gamble with money given to him, I wouldn't feel about it; rather, I would tell him to gamble responsibly because of tomorrow. Let him not allow himself to be addicted to gambling, thinking that gambling is the easiest and fastest way to upgrade his life.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

What can piss me off about a beggar is if I find him to be a drunker or leave on lies that he is unwell while he's strong and healthy. As for the gambling habits of a beggar I know, it won't stop me from providing aid to him in the way I can.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Most times before I offer help to anyone who begs, I have to take a look at the level of your physical disability. I don't give out money to a begger who has his two legs, two hands and all parts of his body still Intact. Most of these people aren't beggers but bunch of lazy Individuals whose last resort to get money is to beg. What more seeing someone you gave a helping hand money at a gambling shop, placing bets? I would be pissed a lot. Someone who rely needs a helping hand wouldn't even have a thinking for gambling as that might not be in his own agender. But if the later, then they won't be gambling for the fun but the profits which definitely will lead them to losing.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

First of all, anyone can gamble no matter he is beggar or any other person, as long as anyone has money to deposit in a gambling site they can gamble and no casino will stop any person from gambling on that basis that someone is a beggar.

Next, comes the reason that since beggars are those who do not have much money to meet their day to day needs so why they spend money on gambling ? Well everyone knows that one can double the money or gain quick money from gambling. So beggars also try their luck with the little money they have. I can't comments its right or wrong decision by the beggars to gamble Huh

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on September 04, 2024, 10:22:48 AM

Of course i don't see anything wrong for the beggars not to gamble, at least if not for anything but the change his fortune..

I don't like it when they ask me for money: I don't like this at all. I have always maintained that you need to have the life of a healthy player.
If you are a beggar you should focus on getting out of that situation, not on making bets.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

beggars do begging as their job. so assume what they get from begging on the street or in other places is enough to meet their living needs, maybe even more. so the money they use to buy lottery tickets is the rest of their day's work.

people may feel sorry for the appearance of beggars. and give them some money. but indirectly it creates a job field for beggars to do it every day. today beggars can spend all the money they get to buy lottery tickets. and tomorrow they will beg again and get money again.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

For me it is common and not a new habit that I have seen for the first time. Apart from having fun, they may want to look different from others although not all poor gamblers behave like that.
It is impossible for them to gamble with the feeling that they have nothing to lose. Why, because in gambling losing is something that is certain to happen although the amount of loss depends on how much is bet.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some bergers that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give bergers and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Of course i don't see anything wrong for the beggars not to gamble, at least if not for anything but for the change of his/her fortune, he cannot continue to be begging all his life, so if he gambles and he runs into luck and wins something handsomely, then he will definitely not be needing handouts from people before he eats, or gets anything that is of priority to him, so for me it's not misplaced priority, the only way i can frown at it is when the beggar becomes chronic gambler, because i do not support that, I always advocate for a healthy gambling lifestyle.

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If I know beggars that use the money to gamble, I will mark their face till I die, I make sure that I will never give them money even they're really in need.

These beggars need to get lesson for not having any money and want something to eat, so they will learn to save money in order to not ended up starving.

Anyway isn't the casino protected by security? how can the security allow beggars to gamble when they know that they're not gamble for fun and can't afford to lose their money because they're already lack of money in the first place.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some bergers that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give bergers and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I doubt that when people find themselves at the bottom of society, they worry about the rightness/wrongness of moral actions. Also, these people abuse the kindness of those who try to help them and simply parasitize, using help for their own mercenary and selfish purposes. For example, homeless people spend donations (alcohol, illegal substances, etc.) not only on lottery tickets.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

So it turns out that those who give alms sponsor the casinos from their own pockets.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun.

They play to win, but I suspect they are vulnerable to the same feelings as regular gamblers (pleasure from the anticipation of winning, gambling addiction).

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose?

Easy come - easy go. It's easy to part with money that you didn't earn through your own labor.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

I would feel regret and disappointment because my efforts to help the person were in vain. It would be better to give it to someone else who really needs it and is able to use it for good, rather than waste it on the false hope of winning.

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Quote from: cabron on September 04, 2024, 09:44:05 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on September 04, 2024, 08:17:22 AM

I wondered what you meant by bergers. I have only heard of berger and that's a disease. I quickly realized you mean beggar.

Although I don't want to take away from beggars their freedom, I think if there is still left a little sense of responsibility in them, they should not gamble the money that they only begged from other people. Of course they're free to do whatever they want with their money, but it is misplaced for them to prefer to gamble what they could have saved or spent on something else more important.

Their existence is dependent on other people's generosity. The least that they can do with their money is to spend them responsibly.

I was also searching the google what he meant and only found that disease. Jesus. I was assuming this is the kind of people who may be from a country I don't know. If I didn't read the messages below I wouldn't find out.

Because they have nothing to lose seems a fair examination of the situation. Seeing them only have that kind of opportunity to get out of the situation, will be the only option, and winning in a lottery will be the biggest relief.

Do you think that this beggar in question who wants to use gamble to win a fortune will quit gambling if he wins the lottery, I doubt because he might still continue gambling and will not nw satisfied with his wins. He is a beggar doesn't mean that he is not human and will not have the spirit of greed in him. Why I am saying this is that because he has a misplaced priority to use the alms he got to gamble. I know that he has nothing to lose because he didn't have any money from onset but imagine a lob the money he has been using to gamble if he has saved them to do something better.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on September 04, 2024, 08:17:22 AM

I wondered what you meant by bergers. I have only heard of berger and that's a disease. I quickly realized you mean beggar.

Although I don't want to take away from beggars their freedom, I think if there is still left a little sense of responsibility in them, they should not gamble the money that they only begged from other people. Of course they're free to do whatever they want with their money, but it is misplaced for them to prefer to gamble what they could have saved or spent on something else more important.

Their existence is dependent on other people's generosity. The least that they can do with their money is to spend them responsibly.

I was also searching the google what he meant and only found that disease. Jesus. I was assuming this is the kind of people who may be from a country I don't know. If I didn't read the messages below I wouldn't find out.

Because they have nothing to lose seems a fair examination of the situation. Seeing them only have that kind of opportunity to get out of the situation, will be the only option, and winning in a lottery will be the biggest relief.

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There is always a prejudice from poor people “who knows by placing a lottery bet can win” maybe they think it can change their fate, and usually poor people are better off holding hunger than not placing a lottery bet.

I will look at the situation of the poor person, if he is not a gambler then I will give whatever help he asks for, but if he is often given money whose intention is to eat or other needs instead of using gambling then I will not give it anymore... Maybe I will advise him, that gambling when there is no money should not be forced.

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Bergers are those that are rearing sheep. You need to correct it to beggars which are people that peg for money. Some are even homeless.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

I may feel like he does not understand what gambling is. I can ask him questions and see his replies. Question like did he think he can make money from gambling. I will advice him. If I see him gambling again, I will stop giving him money. He can use the strength he is using to gamble to work. He can get a job and start working.

This is not common in my area. I have not even seen something like this before. But people that I called beggars are people that something happened to in a way they are unable to work because of their disabilities. I can not give money to anyone that is complete and physically fit.

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What you wrote has been answered and that is the point and reasonable reason why the Berger group or tribe has the desire to gamble.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

Another reason is that they don't understand the meaning of the risks of gambling, they only think that gambling can change their decent lives, like most people living in urban areas, the actual fact is that this is not the case, quite the opposite.

But I also wonder, if there are Berger tribes who are involved in the world of gambling, usually those who live in the mountains are generally busy with their lives and herding activities, It is very rare for Berger's group to be involved in gambling, even if there is one that can be counted on one hand and whatever the reason they gamble, they want to try their luck at gambling, even if the opposite happens.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some bergers...

What you could do is teach yourself to write well and make sure at least before writing a title that what you write is correct. What you mean is “beggars”, come on, correct the title.

Leaving this aside, I do not enter into the moral question. Beggars often have psychological problems and addictions, of which gambling can be one more through which they try to forget about the shitty life they lead, and I don't think a moral judgment is right here.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

If I see such beggar, I would not give him funds anymore since he chooses to gamble with the funds people gave to him out of pity. The beggar is gambling for profit and I don't think that he is gambling for fun, if not he would know that he does not have any money and shouldn't gamble with the little he got from people's generousity.

The beggar is just throwing away the money he got because he might keep on gambling without hitting the jackpot and the worst of it would be if he becomes addicted, it means that he is finished and the money he gets from begging will not satisfy his gambling urge. Anyone that cannot take care of his own daily needs should not gamble at all but think of how he can leave his poverty state.

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I wondered what you meant by bergers. I have only heard of berger and that's a disease. I quickly realized you mean beggar.

Although I don't want to take away from beggars their freedom, I think if there is still left a little sense of responsibility in them, they should not gamble the money that they only begged from other people. Of course they're free to do whatever they want with their money, but it is misplaced for them to prefer to gamble what they could have saved or spent on something else more important.

Their existence is dependent on other people's generosity. The least that they can do with their money is to spend them responsibly.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Based on my views, a gambler should have a source of income. This is to avoid begging or engaging in criminal activities to gamble. However, some people are professional beggars and see it as a major source of income. India has the highest number of beggars and
I heard that some of them are rich. Some beggars in my country have bank accounts to receive transfers from givers. So that's their job.

I would be concerned if a beggar wasted his money on alcohol or drugs. And I would also not be comfortable I'd he is a gambling addict. But if he decides to use some part of the money he gets to gamble, that's his business. He might win a jackpot one day.

However, the focus of every beggar is to get a job and stop asking for alms. Begging is not a job; nobody should take it as employment.

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No, wonder he still beggers.

I usually, never give money to begger. Buts, I more prefer to give some help for the poor people who are not begging. At least with such hard condition, they still want to work even the income was small rather than a beggers while the option is still many.

In here, most beggers getting comfortable because easy money. Some beggers, even have house and cars..... That's the reason. If beggers gambling, man that's f*ck up.....

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some bergers that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give bergers and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

At first let me correct this mindset that people do have that there are specific people who gambles for pleasure or fun. If you must know every body, I mean you and I gambles for profits and not for pleasure because you can't afford keep wasting your money to gamble if you weren't aiming at something. I must say that people uses fun to cover up their gambling characters because they would always term it to be fun, have you ever seen someone who gambles and win after that he returns the winning back to the gambling without cashing out or using the money to gamble again? To me I will say No because everyone is aiming at winning money, no matter how it is being rephrase or twisted we are all gambling for profit and not lose.

Back to the beger; to me nothing is wrong if someone is gambling provided he or she is doing it at moderate then nothing is wrong there. Who knows if his luck could shine from there and became something else? You know most begers are the people who are most fortunate to win because they does it with mindset of changing their situation because they are also tired of their lives, begging from place to place and from person to person and if s/he or decides to gamble then it's fine but let it not be that they are gambling out of control.

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I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

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