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legendary
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September 30, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
#43
with this usb chip you won't able to get a single bitcoin in your whole life
not even your grandson or his grandson will get a full bitcoin with this

right now you are better off buying the coins instead of HW*. 


* Only if you think the price of bitcoin is going to rise.

What if the price continues to go down and stays there?

It would mean that new mining gear would offer more hash in the short term to compensate the risk and return ratio
Also means that if the price goes up by a significant margin miners would start ROI much faster in theory.
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September 29, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
#42
with this usb chip you won't able to get a single bitcoin in your whole life
not even your grandson or his grandson will get a full bitcoin with this

right now you are better off buying the coins instead of HW*. 


* Only if you think the price of bitcoin is going to rise.

What if the price continues to go down and stays there?
hero member
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September 29, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
#41
with this usb chip you won't able to get a single bitcoin in your whole life
not even your grandson or his grandson will get a full bitcoin with this

right now you are better off buying the coins instead of HW. 
hero member
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September 29, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
#40
with this usb chip you won't able to get a single bitcoin in your whole life
not even your grandson or his grandson will get a full bitcoin with this
legendary
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September 29, 2014, 01:32:01 PM
#39
well it is not profitable to mine with USB chip
you can't make profit unless you have some high power mining hardware or a mining farm
sr. member
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June 21, 2014, 05:21:13 PM
#38
I jumped into mining with a purchase of a $15 AntMiner USB chip.  I'm not and never had any belief I'd make much of a profit on it, it was mostly for learning.  But I'm wondering if it's even possible to make any profit.  


In the short term no in the long term probably also a no but you never know what price Bitcoin will appreciate to
If you can get free electricity say at school or at a university then yes it is profitable  Cool
But you can use a mining calculator such as this one
https://tradeblock.com/mining/

In other words, no it is not profitable to mine bitcoin.

If you think that the price will increase then you should simply buy bitcoin on an exchange
sr. member
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June 21, 2014, 02:50:41 PM
#37
I think the current price is very low to make a profitable mining, some people say it will reach the $1000 or more by the end of July, so we

need to wait. A good option for now would be ALTcoins mining.

As the price adjust upward, so will the network difficulty and the additional supply.

The golden age of mining is over. People can't even ROI after taking out all the expense and equipment depreciation.

This is true.

The amount of price appreciation that would be necessary in order for most miners to ever ROI is just ridiculous
legendary
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June 21, 2014, 05:53:31 AM
#36
I jumped into mining with a purchase of a $15 AntMiner USB chip.  I'm not and never had any belief I'd make much of a profit on it, it was mostly for learning.  But I'm wondering if it's even possible to make any profit.  


In the short term no in the long term probably also a no but you never know what price Bitcoin will appreciate to
If you can get free electricity say at school or at a university then yes it is profitable  Cool
But you can use a mining calculator such as this one
https://tradeblock.com/mining/
legendary
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June 21, 2014, 05:42:40 AM
#35
better mine Litecoin, thats alot more profitable for little miners:


http://www.cryptobadger.com/2013/04/build-a-litecoin-mining-rig-hardware/
There's quite a few affordable Litecoin ASICS, it would be better to buy one of those, instead of GPUs.
legendary
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June 21, 2014, 05:08:28 AM
#34
better mine Litecoin, thats alot more profitable for little miners:


http://www.cryptobadger.com/2013/04/build-a-litecoin-mining-rig-hardware/
legendary
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June 20, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
#33
I think the current price is very low to make a profitable mining, some people say it will reach the $1000 or more by the end of July, so we

need to wait. A good option for now would be ALTcoins mining.
Alt coin ASICs are being developed, the difficulty would also skyrocket. Even if they are ASIC resistant, they can be a pump and dump coin and lose value easily.
legendary
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June 20, 2014, 02:11:51 PM
#32
I think the current price is very low to make a profitable mining, some people say it will reach the $1000 or more by the end of July, so we

need to wait. A good option for now would be ALTcoins mining.

As the price adjust upward, so will the network difficulty and the additional supply.

The golden age of mining is over. People can't even ROI after taking out all the expense and equipment depreciation.
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June 20, 2014, 01:06:44 PM
#31
I think the current price is very low to make a profitable mining, some people say it will reach the $1000 or more by the end of July, so we

need to wait. A good option for now would be ALTcoins mining.
legendary
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June 20, 2014, 06:48:15 AM
#30
True, mining is not profitable by a long shot, yet difficulty is still increasing fast!!!

People need to understand that it is better to buy bitcoins than to mine them at this point!!!
legendary
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June 20, 2014, 12:20:47 AM
#29
I jumped into mining with a purchase of a $15 AntMiner USB chip.  I'm not and never had any belief I'd make much of a profit on it, it was mostly for learning.  But I'm wondering if it's even possible to make any profit.  

I'm currently getting 1.75 GHash/Sec.  From what I have received over the past few hours, as well as projects from various web sites, the lifetime earnings of this will be about $5.  That's earnings, not profit.  Cost+shipping will be about a $25 loss).  That's assuming BTC price remains stable, I'm not using any electricity, and a few other factors in favor of some kind of a profit.  

If that projection is accurate, than if I were to get a 1 THash unit at about $2,100 then I might expect a lifetime earnings of $2,800 or so.  Again, assuming BTC price is stable and not factoring in expenses like electricity, time spent working with the unit, etc.  

Is this about  right? Has mining become such a commodity right now that you might hope to recoup only a few percentage profit over time on a capital investment?


Short answer is yup...welcome to the world of mining.  Cloud mining seems to be where it's at right now and even most of those major operations are in trouble.  Basically only people designing/producing asics are making any real money in that space.  You don't really mine for profit anymore.
sr. member
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June 19, 2014, 10:56:00 PM
#28
Ok so aside from the ongoing discussion,

Mining is not profitable unless you can pick up GH/s for REALLY cheap. Don't bother mining BTC, just go and mine some alts with the GPU in your computer. Far more profitable.

Make sure to find a semi-new coin with a large community, however, to lessen the likelihood that it's pump-n-dump.

There's a lot of alt mining going on nowadays, so you might as well jump on the bandwagon.
Some Alts already have ASICs developed for them, it may not be at all profitable if the price is not stable, the best is to use multipool and mine ASIC resistant coins. No one knows if the price will suddenly crash. The best is to buy BTC directly, you have to consider about the stability of the coin, electrical cost, hardware cost and time taken to setup.

Some posters here already pointed out, both GPU and ASIC mining is no longer a profitable venture.

ASIC mining is the only mining that could possibly be profitable if bought at the right price.
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June 17, 2014, 01:15:29 PM
#27
Ok so aside from the ongoing discussion,

Mining is not profitable unless you can pick up GH/s for REALLY cheap. Don't bother mining BTC, just go and mine some alts with the GPU in your computer. Far more profitable.

Make sure to find a semi-new coin with a large community, however, to lessen the likelihood that it's pump-n-dump.

There's a lot of alt mining going on nowadays, so you might as well jump on the bandwagon.
Some Alts already have ASICs developed for them, it may not be at all profitable if the price is not stable, the best is to use multipool and mine ASIC resistant coins. No one knows if the price will suddenly crash. The best is to buy BTC directly, you have to consider about the stability of the coin, electrical cost, hardware cost and time taken to setup.

Some posters here already pointed out, both GPU and ASIC mining is no longer a profitable venture.
newbie
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June 17, 2014, 12:10:01 PM
#26
Just for fun
legendary
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June 17, 2014, 12:11:35 AM
#25
Ok so aside from the ongoing discussion,

Mining is not profitable unless you can pick up GH/s for REALLY cheap. Don't bother mining BTC, just go and mine some alts with the GPU in your computer. Far more profitable.

Make sure to find a semi-new coin with a large community, however, to lessen the likelihood that it's pump-n-dump.

There's a lot of alt mining going on nowadays, so you might as well jump on the bandwagon.
Some Alts already have ASICs developed for them, it may not be at all profitable if the price is not stable, the best is to use multipool and mine ASIC resistant coins. No one knows if the price will suddenly crash. The best is to buy BTC directly, you have to consider about the stability of the coin, electrical cost, hardware cost and time taken to setup.
hero member
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June 17, 2014, 12:07:53 AM
#24
It isn't when you deal with shady fucks on the forum.

You want profit, vertically integrate. Don't deal with anyone but the chip designers and manufacturers themselves.


Even then,the RoI is in negative territory for new ASIC miners.


Ummm. No it's not, dumbdumb.

Kindly let us know which ASIC miner gives positive ROI?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you need to vertically integrate to maximize ROI.  That means you have chip designers make the chips, then have the reels manufactured, and then the boards manufactured, and then mine with them, and finally sell it as second hand garbage once you milk 80% out of it.  Same process bitfury and knc miner and all the other 'ASICs' selling to the dummies out there.  

I agree with your concept, but wouldn't this generally require a significant amount of capital? I would think you would need to achieve an economy of scale in order for this to happen.

Certainly. Some capital input before, likely, and massive, massive pre-orders that themselves may have allowed this sort of behavior. Never pre-order....
sr. member
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June 16, 2014, 11:38:59 PM
#23
It isn't when you deal with shady fucks on the forum.

You want profit, vertically integrate. Don't deal with anyone but the chip designers and manufacturers themselves.


Even then,the RoI is in negative territory for new ASIC miners.


Ummm. No it's not, dumbdumb.

Kindly let us know which ASIC miner gives positive ROI?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you need to vertically integrate to maximize ROI.  That means you have chip designers make the chips, then have the reels manufactured, and then the boards manufactured, and then mine with them, and finally sell it as second hand garbage once you milk 80% out of it.  Same process bitfury and knc miner and all the other 'ASICs' selling to the dummies out there.  

I agree with your concept, but wouldn't this generally require a significant amount of capital? I would think you would need to achieve an economy of scale in order for this to happen.
legendary
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June 16, 2014, 09:18:05 PM
#22
Ok so aside from the ongoing discussion,

Mining is not profitable unless you can pick up GH/s for REALLY cheap. Don't bother mining BTC, just go and mine some alts with the GPU in your computer. Far more profitable.

Make sure to find a semi-new coin with a large community, however, to lessen the likelihood that it's pump-n-dump.

There's a lot of alt mining going on nowadays, so you might as well jump on the bandwagon.
legendary
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June 16, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
#21
It isn't when you deal with shady fucks on the forum.

You want profit, vertically integrate. Don't deal with anyone but the chip designers and manufacturers themselves.


Even then,the RoI is in negative territory for new ASIC miners.


Ummm. No it's not, dumbdumb.

Kindly let us know which ASIC miner gives positive ROI?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you need to vertically integrate to maximize ROI.  That means you have chip designers make the chips, then have the reels manufactured, and then the boards manufactured, and then mine with them, and finally sell it as second hand garbage once you milk 80% out of it.  Same process bitfury and knc miner and all the other 'ASICs' selling to the dummies out there.  
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June 16, 2014, 08:13:18 PM
#20
It isn't when you deal with shady fucks on the forum.

You want profit, vertically integrate. Don't deal with anyone but the chip designers and manufacturers themselves.


Even then,the RoI is in negative territory for new ASIC miners.


Ummm. No it's not, dumbdumb.

Kindly let us know which ASIC miner gives positive ROI?
sr. member
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June 16, 2014, 06:21:23 PM
#18
Competition is high among producers.

Profit is mostly in negative territory for ASIC and GPU mining.

GPU miners have long been unprofitable to even run.

You can now run ASICs profitably (mining revenues exceed electricity costs) but most market prices of miners are too high to ever reach ROI
hero member
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June 16, 2014, 04:45:34 PM
#17
It depends on the hash rate made available by your hardware and the network difficulty. I think difficulty is moving up too fast to get into mining now.

Are there any resources available, or places where people discuss speculation on the network difficulty? Seems you'd have to time it well to make good money if you are not a massive mining farm.
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June 16, 2014, 04:31:06 PM
#16
It depends on the hash rate made available by your hardware and the network difficulty. I think difficulty is moving up too fast to get into mining now.
sr. member
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June 16, 2014, 03:35:37 PM
#15
Maybe, maybe not. I can't wrap my head around difficulty and how to speculate on it, so I prefer to speculate just on BTC price.
legendary
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June 16, 2014, 03:23:24 PM
#14
It isn't when you deal with shady fucks on the forum.

You want profit, vertically integrate. Don't deal with anyone but the chip designers and manufacturers themselves.


Even then,the RoI is in negative territory for new ASIC miners.


Ummm. No it's not, dumbdumb.
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June 16, 2014, 02:45:51 PM
#13

Simply: yes

The only ones who are making real money with mining are the company's that produc mining equipment.
They first use it to mine themselves and when the return starts to slow down, they ship it to their customers. That's why all the pre-orders on the latest mining equipment exits.

This makes sense.  The people who got rich in the 1849 gold rush were the companies who produced the equipment to mine the gold.

I bought the USB miner just on a lark to just chug away and see what kind of return I got. A 1 THash miner would probably give me about 100% ROI if it can last for a few months.  But as more and more miners come online, the rewards are going to decrease rapidly.  And come next halving day, I sincerely doubt that transaction fees will increase sufficiently to make up for the 12.5BTC drop per block. 

Either coin price has to double to make up for loss income, or difficulty has to cut in half to maintain the RoI.
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June 16, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
#12

Simply: yes

The only ones who are making real money with mining are the company's that produc mining equipment.
They first use it to mine themselves and when the return starts to slow down, they ship it to their customers. That's why all the pre-orders on the latest mining equipment exits.

This makes sense.  The people who got rich in the 1849 gold rush were the companies who produced the equipment to mine the gold.

I bought the USB miner just on a lark to just chug away and see what kind of return I got. A 1 THash miner would probably give me about 100% ROI if it can last for a few months.  But as more and more miners come online, the rewards are going to decrease rapidly.  And come next halving day, I sincerely doubt that transaction fees will increase sufficiently to make up for the 12.5BTC drop per block. 
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June 16, 2014, 02:01:37 PM
#11
For a casual miner getting in now? Gut answer is no. Unless you are scrypt mining and speculating on low difficulty coins, that is.

Cheaper to buy low difficulty coin.

Normally, when a new coin launch, the developers give coin away to promote it.
legendary
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June 16, 2014, 01:58:22 PM
#10
No, if you don't have much power in your farm and the electric energy is expensive, your mine is not profitable.
sr. member
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June 16, 2014, 01:52:24 PM
#9
For a casual miner getting in now? Gut answer is no. Unless you are scrypt mining and speculating on low difficulty coins, that is.
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June 16, 2014, 12:46:37 PM
#8
It isn't when you deal with shady fucks on the forum.

You want profit, vertically integrate. Don't deal with anyone but the chip designers and manufacturers themselves.


Even then,the RoI is in negative territory for new ASIC miners.
legendary
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June 16, 2014, 12:34:37 PM
#7
It isn't when you deal with shady fucks on the forum.

You want profit, vertically integrate. Don't deal with anyone but the chip designers and manufacturers themselves.
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June 16, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
#6
Competition is high among producers.

Profit is mostly in negative territory for ASIC and GPU mining.
legendary
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June 16, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
#5
Is this about  right? Has mining become such a commodity right now that you might hope to recoup only a few percentage profit over time on a capital investment?

Simply: yes

The only ones who are making real money with mining are the company's that produc mining equipment.
They first use it to mine themselves and when the return starts to slow down, they ship it to their customers. That's why all the pre-orders on the latest mining equipment exits.

+1 Yes Smiley

And there is another type of companies which make profit - like cex.io with their overpriced GHs and very very high fees (about 0.26$ Ghs/month).
Nowadays this is the only way to have a decent profit, more than just very few percentage.

SHA-256 mining lost its high profile potential a long time ago.

Also check this calculator and see it for yourself:

https://tradeblock.com/mining/
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June 16, 2014, 07:02:46 AM
#4
Is this about  right? Has mining become such a commodity right now that you might hope to recoup only a few percentage profit over time on a capital investment?

Simply: yes

The only ones who are making real money with mining are the company's that produc mining equipment.
They first use it to mine themselves and when the return starts to slow down, they ship it to their customers. That's why all the pre-orders on the latest mining equipment exits.
sr. member
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June 16, 2014, 07:00:14 AM
#3
$15 for 1,75 GHS is too expensive, you never make ROI with them
many users use Antminer S1 for learning how to mine, since it is outdated users will go to 1 TH/s hardware
my opinion, if you want to make profit, it's better you buy bitcoin and hold it, sell when price rising
but if you want enjoy learn about mining, i think you should buy 1 TH/s hardware, choose the best one
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June 16, 2014, 01:34:55 AM
#2

I am currently doing a cloud mining test to see if this is still profitable. Results: http://bitcoinmarketmaker.com/bitcoin-mining.php

newbie
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June 16, 2014, 12:16:19 AM
#1
I jumped into mining with a purchase of a $15 AntMiner USB chip.  I'm not and never had any belief I'd make much of a profit on it, it was mostly for learning.  But I'm wondering if it's even possible to make any profit.  

I'm currently getting 1.75 GHash/Sec.  From what I have received over the past few hours, as well as projects from various web sites, the lifetime earnings of this will be about $5.  That's earnings, not profit.  Cost+shipping will be about a $25 loss).  That's assuming BTC price remains stable, I'm not using any electricity, and a few other factors in favor of some kind of a profit.  

If that projection is accurate, than if I were to get a 1 THash unit at about $2,100 then I might expect a lifetime earnings of $2,800 or so.  Again, assuming BTC price is stable and not factoring in expenses like electricity, time spent working with the unit, etc.  

Is this about  right? Has mining become such a commodity right now that you might hope to recoup only a few percentage profit over time on a capital investment?

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