Is it true that Mt Gox funds are going to get released?

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Quote from: m2017 on November 29, 2021, 02:11:02 PM

Quote from: ice18 on November 20, 2021, 12:14:47 AM

According to some news website, MtGox settlement may happen in the Q1/Q2 of 2022 so we can't expect a selling pressure this year also they are unsure if the payments will be in btc or in fiat currency. People involve in the settlement process for sure may profit from this and the worst if they decide to liquidate it and pay investors in fiat money.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/mt-gox-bitcoin-settlement-payouts-9-billion-dollars-early-2022-2021-11

If payments to MtGox users are made simultaneously and in btc, it will inevitably bring down the market. Often enough news is enough to influence the market, let alone the event itself.

This event could easily serve as the start of a premature bearish trend. Nobody would want this now, but we are also powerless to influence it in any way. It remains only to wait and watch the development of events.

MtGox story is a serious headache for the crypto community that everyone would like to get rid of forever.

Serious headache for those who do have funds into it on which this had been a long time running issue whether these people have really some high hopes on retrieving their coins back or not.

Cant really be denied on which this had been a very long long debate and process and waiting for those who do have money on this one.

Lots of trials and arguments and decisions to be waited up but if this one ends up on giving out those funds back even for a portion
then its inevitably to happen on that possible decline.

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Quote from: ice18 on November 20, 2021, 12:14:47 AM

According to some news website, MtGox settlement may happen in the Q1/Q2 of 2022 so we can't expect a selling pressure this year also they are unsure if the payments will be in btc or in fiat currency. People involve in the settlement process for sure may profit from this and the worst if they decide to liquidate it and pay investors in fiat money.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/mt-gox-bitcoin-settlement-payouts-9-billion-dollars-early-2022-2021-11

If payments to MtGox users are made simultaneously and in btc, it will inevitably bring down the market. Often enough news is enough to influence the market, let alone the event itself.

This event could easily serve as the start of a premature bearish trend. Nobody would want this now, but we are also powerless to influence it in any way. It remains only to wait and watch the development of events.

MtGox story is a serious headache for the crypto community that everyone would like to get rid of forever.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 20, 2021, 12:16:59 AM

I haven't even gotten notice of approval yet (even though I read the vote was approved).

I think there is a list of approvals and disapprovals for the claims..
Maybe you can look into it ??

Quote from: ice18 on November 20, 2021, 12:14:47 AM

.. decide to liquidate it and pay investors in fiat money.

among the main things that delayed the process, there is an objection brought by the creditors who were against the very first paper which planned to reimburse the creditors in fiat currency, and this objection was approved and normally the creditors with the BTC balance will be able to choose the reimbursement method.

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I can tell you that nothing has moved quickly with this resolution. I'm not expecting to hear anything else on the matter until next year, at which point they will likely begin the process of collecting banking information. I haven't even gotten notice of approval yet (even though I read the vote was approved). I will absolutely shocked if I get a payout in the next 6 months. A little surprised if I get it in the next year, and about what I expected if a payout is sent in about 18 months. As far as something moving the market, I think it's a non-issue at the moment.

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According to some news website, MtGox settlement may happen in the Q1/Q2 of 2022 so we can't expect a selling pressure this year also they are unsure if the payments will be in btc or in fiat currency. People involve in the settlement process for sure may profit from this and the worst if they decide to liquidate it and pay investors in fiat money.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/mt-gox-bitcoin-settlement-payouts-9-billion-dollars-early-2022-2021-11

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Quote from: noormcs5 on November 19, 2021, 02:04:31 AM

Price has already being to show instability and dropping too fast in the last few days.

Is this the reason of current bitcoin dump as people are afraid of the Mt Gox funds release and selling pressure is developed even before that event.

Not that alone seems to be the reason as I also came across one more news that US Department of Justice seized ~20 wallets with $57 million worth cryptocurrency in the Bitconnect fraud and have started to liquidate it officially. Based on the official article -

"As part of his plea agreement, Arcaro admitted that he earned no less than $24 million from the BitConnect fraud conspiracy, all of which, according to court documents, he has agreed repay to defrauded investors. The order entered on November 12, 2021, begins the process of making those victims whole by liquidating the fraud proceeds in Arcaro’s possession—the vast majority of which were in the form of cryptocurrencies, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Dash, and several others."

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/almost-57-million-seized-cryptocurrency-being-sold-victims-bitconnect-fraud

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Quote from: Koro-Sensei on November 15, 2021, 10:38:35 AM

Quote from: 2double0 on November 12, 2021, 05:53:43 PM

I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

Quite scary for Bitcoin holders. It could potentially drop its price and could reach 55K+ once again in just an instant and these guys who lost their BTCs are now potentially millionaires. What a fortune though. It just like they hold it for long then got released with a xxxxx return. Just wow.

Price has already being to show instability and dropping too fast in the last few days.

Is this the reason of current bitcoin dump as people are afraid of the Mt Gox funds release and selling pressure is developed even before that event.

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Quote from: paxmao on November 18, 2021, 05:30:05 PM

I recently heard a guy speaking about his investing habits and saying that it is not as much about the speed of the car but rather about the direction of travel and the highway you are taking. MtGox funds freed will have an inpact for sure. Most people owning that money are by today's standards uber rich as they have been involuntarely holding it for a very long time. My take is that they will liquidate big. Yet the car is still driving in the same direction.

Well, I see;
so where the retribution, the reimbursed money will more be like money found or (free money) than money (BTCs) acquired or that was holded !

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I recently heard a guy speaking about his investing habits and saying that it is not as much about the speed of the car but rather about the direction of travel and the highway you are taking. MtGox funds freed will have an inpact for sure. Most people owning that money are by today's standards uber rich as they have been involuntarely holding it for a very long time. My take is that they will liquidate big. Yet the car is still driving in the same direction.

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Quote from: 2double0 on November 18, 2021, 03:38:44 PM

Why will the court let Mt Gox take any extra time to serve their creditors who waited so long for this day to come?

Maybe just to ensure the smooth functioning of the retribution.. The case is treaded by the justice court, this like the ensure the well treatment of all the operations,, and to prevent any bad return from coming if all the reimbursements are served at once

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Quote from: Lucius on November 17, 2021, 10:24:54 AM

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It is also possible that not everyone will get their BTC at once, but that it may take months, and given Japan's efficiency, it may take years. Personally, it seems to me that there is too much noise here, and there is not too much reason for that.

Noise? It was fear in my mind that I shared immediately when I came to know about it from an 'insider' friend. Why will the court let Mt Gox take any extra time to serve their creditors who waited so long for this day to come? If the release happens the same day for all the creditors and like we are talking that btc is 30x already from the value they bought at, I think most creditors will move their coins to the exchange to sell it because even though they know about the potential of btc, why will they leave a chance for selling their btc at near ath?

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Quote from: Dave1 on November 16, 2021, 09:46:53 PM

Maybe this news are being used by a lot of individuals too to create a FUD and I think that's what is happening now on the market as we are plummeting to $59k-$60k.

It is very easy to manipulate the crypto market, because most do not really understand what they are investing in, and then they believe everything they hear or read in the media. The story of Mt.Gox has to end once and for all, and the sooner that happens, the better for all of us. The question we can't know the answer to is what the average person will do after being compensated, whether they will sell immediately or not do anything.

It is also possible that not everyone will get their BTC at once, but that it may take months, and given Japan's efficiency, it may take years. Personally, it seems to me that there is too much noise here, and there is not too much reason for that.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on November 16, 2021, 03:34:02 PM

I saw much news about this case recently, some people were saying that they could recover thousands of dollars from Mt Gox, while the news is not confirmed yet and even if they could recover their money this could be big news and everyone could know about it while there is not an official new about this case confirming anything, recently I even saw a newbie forum member claims to recover his funds from Mt Gox while he didn't log into his old account and there were many questions about him and his case. Also, I see many messages from scammers saying we can help you recover your Mt Got if you send them some personal documents, so, the case smells fishy to me.

It could really smell something that is not right here.

And then the timing of this news when we just hit another all time high. Maybe this news are being used by a lot of individuals too to create a FUD and I think that's what is happening now on the market as we are plummeting to $59k-$60k.

So it's better to really wait for the news, I know this is the 'ghost in the past', that keeps haunting bitcoin market, and I really hope that one day everything will be a close book.

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Quote from: Beta-coiner on November 16, 2021, 05:49:50 PM

Quote from: Danydee on November 16, 2021, 04:05:01 PM

I don't think the retribution will made at one time, to all creditors, they most likely will retribut creditors by groups, one by one, groupe after groupe !!

Correct, from my understanding it is categoried. The earliest to request a refund comes first.

Still, it is a large amount of BTC and BCH for the economy to absorb even over time.

That to me indicates not too many BTC rallies for a while.

We can presume on that way if thats the case on where those coins would be released or given back into its owners which is really something not saying a bad thing but
it cant really be avoided that those people who would recieved out their coins even on not on full scale or in some partial will definitely sell up once they had able to get
in touch with those funds.I cant blame them though considering on how much they would able to make in todays price.Im already anticipating for some correction
but well we do know that things do recover eventually.

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Quote from: Danydee on November 16, 2021, 04:05:01 PM

I don't think the retribution will made at one time, to all creditors, they most likely will retribut creditors by groups, one by one, groupe after groupe !!

Correct, from my understanding it is categoried. The earliest to request a refund comes first.

Still, it is a large amount of BTC and BCH for the economy to absorb even over time.

That to me indicates not too many BTC rallies for a while.

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I don't think the retribution will made at one time, to all creditors, they most likely will retribut creditors by groups, one by one, groupe after groupe !!

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I saw much news about this case recently, some people were saying that they could recover thousands of dollars from Mt Gox, while the news is not confirmed yet and even if they could recover their money this could be big news and everyone could know about it while there is not an official new about this case confirming anything, recently I even saw a newbie forum member claims to recover his funds from Mt Gox while he didn't log into his old account and there were many questions about him and his case. Also, I see many messages from scammers saying we can help you recover your Mt Got if you send them some personal documents, so, the case smells fishy to me.

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Quote from: Danydee on November 15, 2021, 08:50:55 PM

Quote from: Beta-coiner on November 15, 2021, 03:57:20 PM

8 Bitcoin price was well under 100 dollars at the time of the exchange having problems

correction,
Bitcoin was at around $1000 at the time the exchange got hacked, and droped after that
the Bitcoin price was at +/- $100 in 2013, before the big bull run that rised/proted it to 1000 at the end of the year

What I mentioned was correct. The exchange had problems and was sub 100 in 2013 well before any "hack".

There is still a strong belief Karpeles stole or dipped into most of the BTC at the time as all transactions had to go through him at the time.

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I am wondering more if authorities would let them take out a whole bunch of 150k in BTC. It could shake the market in a high rate and it will not be easy to go back from it. A possible panic could also occur that would make the price dump in expectation of creditors selling their coins after they receive it. Perhaps they should make an agreement of distributing the credits from it's real owners by portions just so it won't shock the financial industry.

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Quote from: Beta-coiner on November 15, 2021, 03:57:20 PM

8 Bitcoin price was well under 100 dollars at the time of the exchange having problems

correction,
Bitcoin was at around $1000 at the time the exchange got hacked, and droped after that
the Bitcoin price was at +/- $100 in 2013, before the big bull run that rised/proted it to 1000 at the end of the year

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Quote from: Kakmakr on November 15, 2021, 07:19:00 AM

I am curious ....

How much of those bitcoins will be paid to the lawyers and trustees and accountants that worked on this case for years? The thing that usually happens in group lawsuits like this is the following :

1. The expenses are deducted and the victims get a small percentage of their losses.
2. The people (lawyers) get the majority of the money and the victims get almost nothing.
3. No interest is paid on the money that was lost.

We know only a small amount of the actual coins lost, was recovered... so the victims can only get a small percentage of everything that was recovered. Roll Eyes

So to reiterate the scale of this issue...

1. 850,000 Bitcoins were lost when the exchange went down

2. 140, 000 Bitcoins were recovered when it was seized by the authorities

3. The addresses are very old holding these Bitcoins. So airdrops are also in these addresses. BCH, BSV, Bitcoin gold etc....

4. The payout is ONLY BTC and BCH at this time. I believe some say 15-20 percent of last stash held on the exchange.

5. Further coins recovered will go to the creditors.

6. Bitcoin was sold to cover creditors and other expenses.

7. Fortress is a majority stakeholder holding a majority of these accounts

8 Bitcoin price was well under 100 dollars at the time of the exchange having problems

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Quote from: 2double0 on November 12, 2021, 05:53:43 PM

I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

Quite scary for Bitcoin holders. It could potentially drop its price and could reach 55K+ once again in just an instant and these guys who lost their BTCs are now potentially millionaires. What a fortune though. It just like they hold it for long then got released with a xxxxx return. Just wow.

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Mt Gox is indeed one of the biggest cases in the crypto market, but if this news is true then it is only natural for a correction to occur. The compensation value for this case is very large, and the impact will be a significant correction. I feel that this condition will not last long, because it is only temporary, a sell-off is possible but there are still many people waiting for BTC at a low price in order to take profit at a high price. Currently BTC is quite stable at 60k and I'm sure this will pass soon.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on November 15, 2021, 07:19:00 AM

I am curious ....

How much of those bitcoins will be paid to the lawyers and trustees and accountants that worked on this case for years? The thing that usually happens in group lawsuits like this is the following :

1. The expenses are deducted and the victims get a small percentage of their losses.
2. The people (lawyers) get the majority of the money and the victims get almost nothing.

The rehabilitation plan expenses were 5,8 million including fees back in 2019 and costing around 1,2 million a year since then. Even if we round this up to 10 million it's still 0.1% of the 9 billion worth of coins that will be reimbursed. I doubt anyone could call 0.1% "majority".

Quote from: Kakmakr on November 15, 2021, 07:19:00 AM

We know only a small amount of the actual coins lost, was recovered... so the victims can only get a small percentage of everything that was recovered. Roll Eyes

1/4 of the coins and 30x times the value in USD compared to the hack.
Is it really "small"?

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I am curious ....

How much of those bitcoins will be paid to the lawyers and trustees and accountants that worked on this case for years? The thing that usually happens in group lawsuits like this is the following :

1. The expenses are deducted and the victims get a small percentage of their losses.
2. The people (lawyers) get the majority of the money and the victims get almost nothing.
3. No interest is paid on the money that was lost.

We know only a small amount of the actual coins lost, was recovered... so the victims can only get a small percentage of everything that was recovered. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: noormcs5 on November 14, 2021, 11:42:28 PM

Quote from: 2double0 on November 12, 2021, 05:53:43 PM

I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

Only 5 days are left and we will see what will be the impact on the bitcoin market. However, this is not fair that those people are given the same amount of bitcoins because the value of bitcoin at that time was very less. If the Mt Gox was not hacked, those people would have spent those bitcoin long before. They are indeed lucky if they get the same amount of bitcoin which will change their fortune.

But the market and much of peoples got very unlucky when the MtGox got hacked,
the price was at stable level around 1k$, times before the hack, and the hack provocated his falling to ~200, 300 after times ..

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Quote from: 2double0 on November 12, 2021, 05:53:43 PM

I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

Only 5 days are left and we will see what will be the impact on the bitcoin market. However, this is not fair that those people are given the same amount of bitcoins because the value of bitcoin at that time was very less. If the Mt Gox was not hacked, those people would have spent those bitcoin long before. They are indeed lucky if they get the same amount of bitcoin which will change their fortune.

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Quote from: Danydee on November 14, 2021, 03:32:16 PM

Following the reasoning where MtGox's fiat accounts were not compromised the time of the hack, since they are bank accounts

there is chances that the creditors holding balances in "fiat money" get served first, before other creditors ?

Bitcoin was sold sometime back to cover smaller creditors and what smaller balance they had. The majority of individuals have requested BTC and BCH concerning their claims from my understanding.

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Following the reasoning where MtGox's fiat accounts were not compromised the time of the hack, since they are bank accounts

there is chances that the creditors holding balances in "fiat money" get served first, before other creditors ?

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Quote from: 2double0 on November 12, 2021, 05:53:43 PM

I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

I would assume that they probably won't get even that much, not for a while longer at least. I get that people are hopeful about upcoming possibilities, but I really doubt that it could happen, it looks like we are going to just have to foot the bill and be fine about it as well. I get that some people may not like to hear that, but that is the truth and I have to say we need to learn to live with the truth instead of trying to convince ourselves the otherwise.

Yes, there is a "slight" chance that we could maybe get something small from them, which would be lovely but it will probably not even be 25% but more like 10% at the very best case (I think 5% is more likely). That is still something, but it is tiny enough to not bother crypto markets.

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Quote from: 2double0 on November 13, 2021, 05:31:41 PM

Quote from: stompix on November 13, 2021, 09:42:28 AM

Depends, is everyone going to get their coins and send them to an exchange and sell them at the same moment? Then yeah!
Is this going to happen? Most likely no!

Why won't that happen? After a very long wait, these victims are seeing a light of hope and even if they get 25% of 150k btc which comes to 37500 btc, they will get $2.5 billion worth of btc which is enough to shake the whole market

Yeah, it is enough but only if you put it as a whole.
And poeple are different, poeple don't do the same things at the same time as they are not ants, just the fact that the plan was voted by 83% of the claimers is proof enough.

Most likely the funds will not be released in one single batch for everyone at the same time, highly possible not everyone will sell ALL their coins, also not everyone will rush to sell in the first second, after getting your coins trapped for 8 years it's again safe to assume not everyone will send all their coins in one batch to an exchange and again in smaller batches, and also a lot won't use exchange at all and deal with it OTC.
Also, poeple will have the option of receiving directly fiat which will mean the trustee will sell some coins and pay in JPY, again this will not be done on liv exchange.

The chances of everyone moving all their coins and rushing in day one to dump it on the market are close to zero in my opinion.

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Quote from: 2double0 on November 12, 2021, 05:53:43 PM

I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

It's a very interesting development considering how long it has taken for them to recover it since the crime took place. However this in the grand scheme of things this works out to less than 1% of the total market cap of Bitcoin at the moment so I doubt it is going to have much of an effect at all. It might dip the market for a few days but I think there are enough financial institutions out there clamoring to buy up any excess slack that it will quickly recover to the previous price. It's more likely to cause a pausing effect rather than any decline in value, but 10 billion is a rather small amount these days and will be absorbed in no time - if the owners even decide to sell that is.

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Quote from: 2double0 on November 13, 2021, 05:31:41 PM

Quote from: stompix on November 13, 2021, 09:42:28 AM

Depends, is everyone going to get their coins and send them to an exchange and sell them at the same moment? Then yeah!
Is this going to happen? Most likely no!

Why won't that happen? After a very long wait, these victims are seeing a light of hope and even if they get 25% of 150k btc which comes to 37500 btc, they will get $2.5 billion worth of btc which is enough to shake the whole market (I'm not taking these vitcims alone under consideration but even if their summed up value crosses $1 billion at the time of selling it and the news that breaks the confidence of investors, compels them to sell under the impact of panic sell, btc will dump). This is a good news for the victims that they are getting their part even if not complete payback for their stolen btc, but we will also see how the market reacts to this news.

Because he said those people will sell their Bitcoin at the same moment, that's why it's unlikely to happen. Yup $1 billion is large sum and they would sell some portion of their Bitcoins to enjoy the benefit, but it's only some portion since they're learn holding Bitcoin can make them rich. They will hold it until the price crossed $100K and so on.

Now Bitcoin 24 hour trading volume is $29,825,276,469 ($29 billion) it will make Bitcoin price drop around $2K, the problem is those article provide bad news and people do panic sell.

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Quote from: stompix on November 13, 2021, 09:42:28 AM

Depends, is everyone going to get their coins and send them to an exchange and sell them at the same moment? Then yeah!
Is this going to happen? Most likely no!

Why won't that happen? After a very long wait, these victims are seeing a light of hope and even if they get 25% of 150k btc which comes to 37500 btc, they will get $2.5 billion worth of btc which is enough to shake the whole market (I'm not taking these vitcims alone under consideration but even if their summed up value crosses $1 billion at the time of selling it and the news that breaks the confidence of investors, compels them to sell under the impact of panic sell, btc will dump). This is a good news for the victims that they are getting their part even if not complete payback for their stolen btc, but we will also see how the market reacts to this news.

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The story is true concerning Mtgox.

9 days and counting.

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Im not saying that it is just right on giving back 25% of the total amount but they've been thinking on how this could affect or they do totally
dont tend to give it all out? Its better than nothing specially to those people who had included into this mess. FUD is very common
which there would be those insights on mass selling which will really be dumping out the market but to make out calculation
on where 25% of 150k is 37k+ which is current on 2+ billion. Could really make out some effects?

Initial I believe is 2k yen....followed by a named exchange to hold BTC AND BCH. From what I have heard, some hold very large amounts of BTC that can easily surpass. 1500+. Biggest holder is Fortress who can easily tank the market.

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There is no possible way that there is anything good that could come out of this. I get that some people keep getting hopeful about it, but we are moving to a period where people who have never heard of mt.gox or came in way after hack happened came into the crypto and could be considered majority right now.

Mt.gox deal happened back in 2013-2014 or so right ? I mean it happened during 2013 and we knew it, but the official statement came in 2014. If you look at the crypto world right now, I am sure that 50%+ of the people here came in after 2014 for sure, which means that we are not really doing that badly on mtgox issue, most people do not even care about it anymore.

This is why I care that there is a chance we won't even talk about it in few years, more and more people who lost their money there give up, and more new people join in making the people who lost money there a minority. I am hopeful about it because bad news always hurts crypto and mtgox was the biggest bad news ever, hopefully we won't have anything similar ever again in crypto history.

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Quote from: Quidat on November 13, 2021, 09:22:37 AM

Quote from: stompix on November 13, 2021, 07:23:07 AM

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Im not saying that it is just right on giving back 25% of the total amount but they've been thinking on how this could affect or they do totally
dont tend to give it all out? Its better than nothing specially to those people who had included into this mess.

From where would that come?
They've managed to get back 150kBTC out of the total sum that was lost, who would cover the rest, and from where?

Quote from: Quidat on November 13, 2021, 09:22:37 AM

FUD is very common

No sorry, the usage of FUD is very common and in most cases by poeple who have no clue what it means.
I'm tired of everyone screaming FUD whenever something they don't like is happening.

Quote from: Quidat on November 13, 2021, 09:22:37 AM

Could really make out some effects?

Depends, is everyone going to get their coins and send them to an exchange and sell them at the same moment? Then yeah!
Is this going to happen? Most likely no!

Go the Binance, look at the market depth and see what a 1500 BTC dump would do, it would bring the price under 60k, of course briefly but that will be the effect.
The fact that the global volume is in trillions doesn't mean it could absorb even a 50 million dump if it's done as a whole.
Will it happen? Again, most likely no!

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Quote from: stompix on November 13, 2021, 07:23:07 AM

As for the value if others are correct about the numbers you will get ~25% of the BTC you had then, so for one BTC you get .25, it's still a lot, around 30x times the value in $ at the moment of the bankruptcy. A new form of ultimate hold.

Im not saying that it is just right on giving back 25% of the total amount but they've been thinking on how this could affect or they do totally
dont tend to give it all out? Its better than nothing specially to those people who had included into this mess. FUD is very common
which there would be those insights on mass selling which will really be dumping out the market but to make out calculation
on where 25% of 150k is 37k+ which is current on 2+ billion. Could really make out some effects?

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Quote from: mk4 on November 12, 2021, 09:36:06 PM

Unless the bitcoin that was stolen got retrieved, then no 150k BTC wont enter the markets. As far as I know(correct me if I'm wrong) MtGox will just give compensation to the victims, with bitcoin that are worth nowhere close to what the stolen bitcoin are worth today.

They do have those 150k BTC in custody.
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20191001_report.pdf

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The amount of BTC held by the Rehabilitation Debtor as of September 30, 2019 is 141,686. 35446516BTC. The Rehabilitation Trustee has been still investigating the existence of additional BTC held by the Rehabilitation Debtor. If any BTC is found, the Rehabilitation Trustee will move them to the address managed. Further, the amount of BCH held by the Rehabilitation Debtor as of September 30, 2019 is 142,846.35166254 BCH.

And according to the last report by the trustee, the voting was over and finally, they can move with the plan
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20211020_announcement_en.pdf

As for the value if others are correct about the numbers you will get ~25% of the BTC you had then, so for one BTC you get .25, it's still a lot, around 30x times the value in $ at the moment of the bankruptcy. A new form of ultimate hold.

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The amount of BTC stated will not all enter the market, there's maybe a dump because of the FUD but it will only be a temporary dump as there are a lot of investors who still think the current price is cheap so buying wouldn't be a problem.

This is probably the news you are referring to.

Mt. Gox Creditors to Get Billions in Bitcoin After Plan Approved

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Quote from: mk4 on November 12, 2021, 09:36:06 PM

Unless the bitcoin that was stolen got retrieved, then no 150k BTC wont enter the markets. As far as I know(correct me if I'm wrong) MtGox will just give compensation to the victims, with bitcoin that are worth nowhere close to what the stolen bitcoin are worth today.

It's still great if they actually give the money to the victims. Is it possible to identify them and to ensure that people aren't lying they had money there only to get some BTC for free? Also, what they'll give back will be nowhere near if we consider the amount of Bitcoins, but at the time they were stolen, they were worth $450 million, whereas now there are $10 billion worth of BTC. So at least they could give people their dollar equivalent back or possibly 10 times more than that (or even 20x if they indeed spend most money on reimbursements like fuilpro quoted they plan to do). That's still pretty amazing, isn't it? Losing money years ago, and getting 20 times more than you invested, I mean.
I still don't believe that's how it will play out, but let's hope so.
As for the price, I don't think there'll be a big dump because giving money in bitcoins back to the victims or selling bitcoins via OTC deals won't make an impact.

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No doubt if such amount will be released to the victims at once will cause a huge dump in the market, this Mt gox issue has happened when the btc price is not as high as this so it is very normal that the parties involved will be happy to sell it, except they will be paid in some percentage to maintain the price,
When exactly will this be happening? Hope it is not anytime soon since the markets is expected to pump anytime this month to next.

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What I came across is this news regarding the Mt.Gox funds :
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-20/mt-gox-trustee-says-creditor-reimbursement-plan-is-approved&ved=2ahUKEwignuTE4ZT0AhWSn4sKHXQdCUYQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2camr-9N1Zcx7R3fMrwBaB

Which is more related to the investors getting the share that they should be getting, so even if they do get millions in Bitcoins wouldn't it be their own personal choice to keep or to sell? That would mean even if the funds are released there is a huge uncertainty in the whole market regarding the pump or dump circumstance.

At the end of the day, things like these takes a lot of time, plus retrieving the stolen coins are not something that might have happened and there was no big news about it.

Other than that there is this small news as well :

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Gox said creditors have approved a plan that will eventually lead to the distribution of more than $9 billion in Bitcoin. Creditors can elect to receive about 90% of the assets owed to them under the proposal that was ratified by a majority, according to the English language version of the announcement dated Oct.Oct 20, 2021

(taken from google)

That means it's 9 billion $ worth of Bitcoins, which would be distributed amongst people, the creditors, we should be aware but not scared of this happening for sure. Since this is bound to happen sooner or later and even if there is a small dip many other investors will run to buy Bitcoins, equalizing everything.

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Well, thanks for the heads up, am not aware of this, it could be a possibility if such an amount of btc were released to the victims, except just what @mk4 said, only compensation to the victims would be made, otherwise, it is something to be worried about,
Could it be the reason for this dip! Perhaps people are already reacting to the news, just wondering.

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Unless the bitcoin that was stolen got retrieved, then no 150k BTC wont enter the markets. As far as I know(correct me if I'm wrong) MtGox will just give compensation to the victims, with bitcoin that are worth nowhere close to what the stolen bitcoin are worth today.

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This didn't appear any news outlet that I am subscribed into, but if this is a real thing I think that we better get ready for something but not to be overly cautious, it's not like bitcoin's going to die when the possibility of dumping happens. I just hope that if it really happens, I have enough money to buy a decent amount of bitcoin to increase what I am currently hodling.

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I know for a fact that the funds were already approved by the creditors, but I haven't came across some news stating that it will be released this month. Any news sources or links to confirm the veracity of this statement would be helpful.

As for the $10 billion, I expect some of those will enter the market and some will be dumped in order for the victims to get done with the stress thr Mt. Gox event has caused them. With the recent price of bitcoin, there will surely be lots of people who will be tempted to liquidate immediately, and it will definitely have an impact on the market.

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I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

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