Topic: Is Jesus God or the son of God? (Read 566 times)

In my own understanding of reading the Bible, Jesus is the son of God. There's a lot of bible verse that can prove it but since we have different beliefs regarding this matter, I still respect others perspective.

I think that Jesus is the son of God, the one sent, the one that God the Heavenly Father sent to the world and it was when they crucified him,
that is why when he was resurrected after 3 days, he lives in spirit, that is why he is: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Which god?   There are thousands of them.  Some even rape women to have children.

agree with you brother, jesus is messengers of GOD

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Great example of a single brainwashed person trying to brainwash others.

Lying is the only way this garbage spreads.

One thing that makes this so difficult to understand, has to do with the almightiness of God.

God is all powerful; He can make or do anything.
God knows everything; nothing can set itself up against His knowledge.
God is everywhere at all times, superseding space and time.

In other words, God is almighty... maybe. "Maybe" because, is God almighty in lack of almightiness?

That is one of the major parts of God's almightiness... that He can be almighty in non-almightiness.

That is what God is in people. People are weak - God didn't want them to become so weak that they would fall into sin and die. Yet, as Elihu says in Job, "If it were his intention and he withdrew his spirit and breath, all humanity would perish together and mankind would return to the dust."

The word "breath" is also the Ancient Hebrew, the word for "spirit" and "wind." It signifies that freeish-from-God mankind (wind) was a spirit (like God) but also weak (beath). It's somewhat like God is saying spirit and spirit, the spirit of man being weak, but being constantly visited upon by the Spirit of God Who is strong.

In the fact of being like God and unlike God, mankind is the way God would be if God were not almighty. The fact that God's Spirit is with man's spirit (the double spirit in Job), is that God is experiencing and living the weakness right along with man. So, God is almighty in weakness, so that He can really be almighty in every way.

Will we ever become strong in Eternity, like God? Or will God always keep us weak, yet be right with us, so that He will always be shown to be strong in weakness. Where else in the Bible do have we this?

Saint Paul says in 2 Corinthians, "Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.' Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."

Notice that God's strength is made perfect in weakness. I suggest that Jesus answered Paul by stating the same thing that I have been showing above... that our God-likeness in weakness, with God present with us at all times, is the way that God is making Himself have "weakness almightiness," so that God is almighty in all things, even in weakness.

Along with Paul I say that I don't want to be too strong in myself, but I want to be held up by God's strength, so that God's strength is made more perfect in my weakness.

Will this weakness be for the whole of eternity and beyond?... except that it will be in perfection in Heaven, of course. I don't know. But God does. And when we get to Heaven, we just might understand way more clearly. But even then, there might be some aspect of weakness that remains in us. Why? Because who can predict what the free will of God or a God-like person will dictate? Even Jesus was astonished at the faith of the centurion.

Any maybe he was just made up, and his idea propagates through lower intelligence gullible people?

I am a human,my son is human also right?a monkey is animan and hes son is also animal,

Jesus is Son of God so he is also a God

Maybe he was delivered by Human (Mary the Mother)but it was planned by the Father God for him to save people from sins

I have been called god many times.  Quickseller regularly prays to me.

Want more proof?  Say my name...    slowly....

I believe that 'God' is more like a rank/title. The highest rank/title any living being could possibly obtain in creation.

I also think that a time will indeed come in the hereafter when we can be called (obtain the title of) God, individually, like the Father or the Son, just as you have mentioned.

Psalm 82:6
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

Isaiah 41:23
"Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together."

John 10:34-35
"34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;"

For in the end we will all be in agreement in regards to all things, both in heart and in mind.

Although as you say, it is unlikely that we will be able to understand it in its entirety during this temporary life of ours.

Yet all will be revealed in its proper time. And it shall be exciting indeed  

The Persons in God are different Persons. But they are so exactly the same in their life themes, that they are God, any one of them, or two of them, or all three.

However, I like your analogy.

The exciting point for us is that when we are members of Christ's body, this is bringing us into membership with God. Will the time ever come in the hereafter when we can be called God, individually, like the Father or the Son might be? I think that our understanding of this idea is incomplete enough in this life to be able to answer properly.

I suppose.

But when we take a look at these 3 entities:

- The Father is the Head of GOD
- The Son is the Body of GOD
- The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of GOD

:we just need to take a look at ourselves in order to comprehend how it is that all 3 can be one and the same.

For you and i also have a head, a body and a spirit. These 3 parts are what makes us, 'us'.

If i took a photo of your head and showed it to you, you would say that it is a photo of you.
If i took a photo of your body and showed it to you, you would say that it's a photo of you as well.
And the same would be the case if your spirit could also be captured.

They may be 3 different parts of you, but they are you nonetheless.

If any 1 of these 3 parts were to be removed, we could not function/exist. We would be dead in other words.

And its the same with GOD.

The only difference is that HE, unlike us, has the power to separate these parts of HIMSELF into 3 individual entities and cause each of them to have a conscience / life of their own. But that doesn't mean that they are now completely separate/unrelated to each other, if that makes any sense.

And i'd say the reason for doing that is so that HE can now have Them be Witnesses to anything and everything aside from HIMSELF. Otherwise it will only be HIS Word against the rest of creation. Witnesses are required if one is to be accused of breaking a law - in order for a trial to be fair.

I guess it's kinda blurry how Jesus can be full God, the Son of God, God when considered with the Father and the Holy Spirit... all three being one God. Since we are not God, can we expect to be able to understand what God is really like?

We, the believers, will be found in Jesus. I think that the Heavenly eternity will simply be us, the children of God, growing up. God is so great that it will take all of eternity for us to grow up to be like God. But when that is completed, God will still be One.

But of course!  It reminds me of the saying:

"Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather."

 

This is a good way to say it. Are you ready for the flack when they start to contradict what you said?

Think of it like this.

In the Very Beginning there was only GOD. And there was no other living being.

Then one day GOD thought to HIMSELF:

"I will separate MY Head from MY Body. Yet They still are ME. Just in different places. They are One".

"MY Head portion will contain the reasoning of MY Mind. And MY Body portion will contain the reasoning of MY Heart. Because the head is governed by the mind, and the body is governed by the heart".

"I will also complete both Parts by giving MY Head a body of Its own to move with, and I will give MY Body a head of Its owns to speak with".

"Now although there are 2, They are both One. One Mind and One Heart. They are ME."

"The HEAD I shall call The Father. And the Body I shall call The Son. And behold, this is the very beginning of MY new creation that I will call 'Family'. And from this blueprint will all things in creation be based on from hence forth.".

Now we know that bible says that God the Father is the Head and Jesus, His Son, is the Body - and yet They are One.

Notice how in this example That Jesus is the Body of GOD (Heart). And from the heart stems things like love, kindness, forgiveness, gentleness, peace. Just like His character was during His time on the earth.

And also notice that God the Father is the Head of GOD (Mind). And from the mind stem things like judgement, irritation, hasty decisions, heated thoughts. Just like His character was throughout the Old Testament. (Albeit - rightfully So!)

Perhaps this example might help to comprehend the matter a little easier.

Real question is if he even existed?

Jesus is just messenger of God

According to the biblical scripture - Jesus is the son of God

He is the son of God, it is written in the Bible, and in various prayers, and even songs.

That makes a lot of sense.

He is called Emmanuel = God with us.

He is all at once

He is the son of God but also God.

Jesus is a mushroom not a man.

"John Marco Allegro, after years of researching the Dead Sea Scrolls and Hebrew languages, came to the conclusion that the New Testament’s main subject, Jesus Christ, is actually just a mushroom. Specifically, Jesus was an Amanita mascaria, and the researcher believed Christianity is falsely based off an ancient fertility cult obsessed with keeping their entheogenic rites hidden from their persecutors."

https://prohbtd.com/is-jesus-a-mushroom-christianity-retold-through-mycology-and-celebrity

In Christian mythology, Jesus was a son of God who oversees Earth from heaven, which is just above the clouds.
His mom was a virgin and he was conceived by an angel (humanoid spirit with large wings attached to his back) without coitus.
The myth is that he was born a very clever boy and eventually mastered the art of carpentry and then became a rabbi.  
The story says that he was accused of claiming that he was a king of Jews and was executed for that crime. He was found alive three days after his execution and then ascended to heaven and now sits next to his father in heaven, just above the clouds.  The myth also identifies him as one with the father and another unidentified spirit.  Catholics also believe that the wine the priest drinks during mass literally becomes the blood of Jesus and the cracker you consume during mass is literally the body of Jesus.  The means by which this is happening in churches around the world every Sunday is believed to be supernatural and is believed to be 100% true.

In reality, there is no contemporary historical evidence that this Jesus person existed.  Moreover, many historians and literary experts actually postulated that the character of Jesus is actually many myths combined into one.

We have explored the heaven and space further away from Earth and we have determined that the Earth is a planet (like countless other planets) and is in a solar system, like many other planetary systems in our galaxy.  Humans cannot survive death.  We are mammals and cannot be born to a virgin (without modern day medical technology).  No spirits, angels, Gods of ANY kind have ever been detected using our modern day technology.

Crackers are crackers.  Wine is not blood.

How do you call the son of a king? A prince right?

Jesus is the son of God, and he is also a God because he comes from Him.

The gospels have many contradictions.
You can support that Jesus was gay or he was not.
For example:

Read Mark 14:51

"A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, he fled naked, leaving his garment behind."

This is when Jesus was arrested in Gethsemane garden.
Explain me, what a naked man does in the middle of the night (between other men) in a strict Jewish society?

Well, if you believe what is written in the Bible, then you can say that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but coessential with the Father, God. They are both Gods

Technically English language was full Germanic Language before becoming 'west germanic' in 52 after Christ.
This means that the word 'men' did not exist.
CHECKMATE ATHEISTS

By the way I did laugh a lot to what you said.

I see, how did you come about it Just by been able to say Ah, Men! or you been emotional about the subject?

Jesus was actually gay, and he was saying Ah, men!

Jesus is the SOn of God making Him the King of the entire universe. Amen.

Jesus is the Son of Mary and Joseph sent from heaven above by God

If you believe the story, that someone called Jesus was born by a virgin woman, died on the cross, rose from the dead 3 days later and ascended to the skies, yes he is God.

Hey guys!!! Let's all have some BBQ and stop talking about religions 
Oh but hey, remember our friend can't have alcohol or pork. Oh and mister
[add Christian name here] is in Christmas fasting period (or did it end already?).
The point of religion made by humans is to divide humans.

That's why I said I don't believe in religions but in God xD
Oh and Vod, my family tried to tell me to go to church and stuff like that, but it
never worked. I hate when someone talks about God. I am a believer but I don't
talk about it or get into casual discussions with people in real life.
On the other hand, I know religious people who would actually pay you to tell them
that you believe in their God  These are actually the one I try to avoid.

Again, you are lying.  I understand though, as that is how religion is spread.

My parents forced brainwashing on me. 

Congratulation. You actually chose brainwashing.

You are a liar.  I was brainwashed for over ten years.  My curiosity and intelligence broke my brainwashing.

What can you do but parrot non brainwashed people?

Yet, Jesus exercises the full authority and power of God. So, is there any difference, except that God says that there is?

In Christianity, God came down on Earth as a human being whose name is Jesus.

So Jesus is the human avatar of God, so to differentiate the two, Jesus is called Son of God.

You don't believe in God because someone told you (over and over and over) that He doesn't exist.   

Like every other brainwashed person, you then pick and choose what you want to believe.

You only believe in your god because someone told you (over and over and over) about him.   

Like every other brainwashed person, you then pick and choose what you want to believe.

Jesus Christ is the God Almighty. He was called Jehovah in the Old Testament but Jesus in the New Testament. Remember the prophecy of Isaiah concerning the birth of Jesus (Emmanuel, meaning God Almighty with us).

Also, ask yourself God's name? God is an object if worship but His name is Jesus.

It's about what you believe/feel.

Some new testament say he's Son of God and that's
the most widely accepted theory. Others say since God
made Jesus, Jesus is also God himself and he has
God powers.

Funny thing, in John 10:30 he says that He and God are one.
Followers of Jesus believe in a God who comes in three persons.
Remember, God has no wife and Jesus was born from a virgin,
therefore you may ask yourself if the Holy Spirit is also God.


Don't read about the past. The bible is made by humans. I believe in God but not
in what others tell me to believe. It's what I believe about God and nobody or nothing,
person or church or piece of paper can change my thinking. Therefore, leave the past to
the past and think about your present and future.
Ask yourself, do you believe in an omnipotent power, which may accordingly be much
different than what religions tell you? Then you're still religious so don't worry about the
past and what others say.

Actually, He wanted more flavor savor.    

EDIT: Vod actually worked harder than God. It is more difficult to bring your lower lip up against your upper teeth than it is to bring the back of your tongue up against the top of your throat. Or is it? You decide. Say God. Then say Vod. Then back again.     

So your god wanted to get it done faster but was unable to?  He had to rest in between each creation to make sure he didn't screw up?

Q:  How do you have insights into god's mind beliefs and desires?  A: You make it up.

 

Nope but always believe he's both (God and Son of God)  that's why I'm asking to understand better.

 Via reply, I owe you some merit 😁 just ended my 2018 with a laugh and nice explanation

Ever thought he could be neither ? 

wait what? xd thats so crazy

Jesus no God or not son of God. Since this is crypto forum I wold like to explain you by cryptography. God isn't visible to us, at the same BTCitcoin also not visible. I believe everyone trust here in God although not visible like BTCitcoin.

Now just imagine (for example),
God=BTCitcoin
Jesus=Bitcoin Cash (Fork of Bitcoin)

So Bitcoin Cash not BTCitcoin or not son of BTCitcoin. But BTCitcoin is always powerful and king of crypto world. Same thing you can say, God is always powerful and God sent representative to motivate us on true way. So Jesus is an representative of God. 

Note: Don't mislead that I compare Bitcoin with God. I just use example to explain. God always God. Nothing is here on the world to compare with God. Because God is the creator of everything on the world.   

Jesus is neither God or the son of God.

If he existed at all, he was a man, plain and simple.

Gods only exist in our imaginations, if we chose so to believe. If you're of the inclination that God exists, ask yourself one question, why would only a single god exist? There's either many or none and there exists no physical evidence to support the existence of any. Many people will say that I'm wrong and there is plenty of evidence to support a god, but this evidence is subjective at best, or the doings of men to twist human kind to their will at worst.

At the end of the day I have no issue with anyone who believes in a supreme being if it makes them a better person. Unfortunately any existence of gods is tainted with the man made sect of religion, which sours any and all positives in this regard, as religion is the most intolerant, sexist, violent and judgemental creation ever to have been thought into existence.

It's kinda like your avatar. God wanted to savor the flavor of building the universe. But He could hardly wait until it was done. If He could have waited longer, it would have taken Him longer. So, He got as much savory flavor out of building it as He could stand to wait the whole 6 days.

He is just a historical person. Human.

If you can call such a person "god".

Was he confused about what he wanted to build, or just unable to build it faster?

Son of God. 

But if they are not...     

If demons are called gods why not the Son of God Almighty?

Can anybody understand a Guy Who made the universe in 6 days?

Jesus is God and the Son of God at the same time.

I think throughout history the story changed as people discovered new things.

Woke up to this trend on twitter Nigeria "Jesus the son of God" then surf through the tweets and it got me confused the more some tweets claim he's God while others claim he's the son of God.  For me I always believed he's both but can I get some clarification from the Christian loving brothers on this forum in the spirit of Christmas 🎄  ?

Season greetings to you all.