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Topic: Is Layer 2 the Future of Decentralized Perpetual Trading? (Read 148 times)

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Layer 2 solutions do offer a lot of potential in increasing the capacity and efficiency of blockchain networks, especially for applications such as decentralized perpetual trading. With Layer 2, transaction costs can be reduced significantly and transaction confirmation times are faster. This can be especially important for perpetual trading, which often requires high liquidity, fast execution, and low fees to keep markets competitive. Layer 2 adoption could be the solution needed to accelerate and facilitate the growth of decentralized perpetual trading more efficiently.

It can help and it's interesting to see how innovation shapes new use-cases and possibilities to come.
As it was mentioned, an interesting case is HyperLiquid, but I should dig a bit deeper to know more about it.
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Layer 2 solutions do offer a lot of potential in increasing the capacity and efficiency of blockchain networks, especially for applications such as decentralized perpetual trading. With Layer 2, transaction costs can be reduced significantly and transaction confirmation times are faster. This can be especially important for perpetual trading, which often requires high liquidity, fast execution, and low fees to keep markets competitive. Layer 2 adoption could be the solution needed to accelerate and facilitate the growth of decentralized perpetual trading more efficiently.
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Perpetual trading is one type of trading that requires high frequency activities to be carried out (updating funding rates, fees, oracles, prices, etc). So yes, ideally a chain that is cheaper to process txs and it also being in a timely manner is very important — that's why projects like LogX build on Layer2s instead of layer-1s because if you want all users to participate regardless of status, then; fees need to be down because on the blockchain, they'd be two types of fees:
  • Transaction fees
  • Trading fees (including funding fees if perps)

While on a centralized exchange, you would only pay the trading fees but no transaction fees but at the cost of decentralization.

One project I'm excited about is HyperLiquid which is currently on an L2 (arbitrum) but is currently developing their very own L1 blockchain that will be processing only trading transactions.

You're spot on with your analysis. Does hyperbrid have a token? I'm thinking l2 tokens might do well especially those on OP, ETH chain.. so I'm considering getting some logx before tge courtesy >> Logx poolx staking & candybomb

But I believe trading on cex is way smoother..
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Does anyone know a good (unbiased*) place to start studying about L2, Decentralized Perpetual Trading, and related topics?

*All the projects mentioned early in this thread (for example) might be brought up due to the poster having an investment. When something like BTC Layer 2 is finally getting popular, where can you start to get the best info which isn't also a sales pitch?

Sorry I'm yet to understand your view. What do you mean ?
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You actually present a very strong case as to where more 2-solutions layered on top of things would create the pitfall where one would reduce investment, not efficiency. In fact, in such a distributed permanent business collaboration is very important. Leverage protocols such as LayerZero or Hyperlane that help facilitate transactions across networks. Helps out with better cash management.

Hyperliquid's strength in finance and trading volumes really highlight how important it is as a strong platform in this space if existing L2s can successfully integrate these interoperability solutions, they may well be set up to run a permanent business without needing any additional layers around them-that's an interesting area to watch as the focus shifts to better financial management and cross-chain capability development.

indeed, current weakening strength of L2 in general has caused so many L2 losing TVL, creating more L2 will just dilute the market with unnecessary layers, I think most of defis right now already incorporate omni chain protocols, the dex that I see only allows integration to one specific L2 always lags behind in term of liquidity and trading volume reaching all time low.

so I really don't understand why some developers just try to push more and more L2 while offering minimalistic innovation and solution to a problem that can actually be solved with really simple steps which is using omni chain protocol and call it a day. not to mention by just using existing protocol they already got the benefit of exposure to huge liquidity.

Interesting thoughts.
But everybody wants - their - L2, so to speak, that may be the reason for it, even if there is almost no innovation in it.
Thus, it's up for debate. Never got deeper into omnichains, but it sounds like I need to to understand the scale and the perspective.
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You actually present a very strong case as to where more 2-solutions layered on top of things would create the pitfall where one would reduce investment, not efficiency. In fact, in such a distributed permanent business collaboration is very important. Leverage protocols such as LayerZero or Hyperlane that help facilitate transactions across networks. Helps out with better cash management.

Hyperliquid's strength in finance and trading volumes really highlight how important it is as a strong platform in this space if existing L2s can successfully integrate these interoperability solutions, they may well be set up to run a permanent business without needing any additional layers around them-that's an interesting area to watch as the focus shifts to better financial management and cross-chain capability development.

indeed, current weakening strength of L2 in general has caused so many L2 losing TVL, creating more L2 will just dilute the market with unnecessary layers, I think most of defis right now already incorporate omni chain protocols, the dex that I see only allows integration to one specific L2 always lags behind in term of liquidity and trading volume reaching all time low.

so I really don't understand why some developers just try to push more and more L2 while offering minimalistic innovation and solution to a problem that can actually be solved with really simple steps which is using omni chain protocol and call it a day. not to mention by just using existing protocol they already got the benefit of exposure to huge liquidity.
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Perpetual trading is one type of trading that requires high frequency activities to be carried out (updating funding rates, fees, oracles, prices, etc). So yes, ideally a chain that is cheaper to process txs and it also being in a timely manner is very important — that's why projects like LogX build on Layer2s instead of layer-1s because if you want all users to participate regardless of status, then; fees need to be down because on the blockchain, they'd be two types of fees:
  • Transaction fees
  • Trading fees (including funding fees if perps)

While on a centralized exchange, you would only pay the trading fees but no transaction fees but at the cost of decentralization.

One project I'm excited about is HyperLiquid which is currently on an L2 (arbitrum) but is currently developing their very own L1 blockchain that will be processing only trading transactions.

Yes, while there's freedom on decentralized perpetual trading platforms, we pay for it with transaction fees, which I wish were lower. On centralized exchanges, we may enjoy gas-free transactions, but they also have their own fees. However, we can still benefit from events like the futures trading competitions on Bitget, where you can earn from a reward pool of 356,000 USDT just by trading and ranking at the top of the leaderboard.
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Perpetual contracts are still growing at a fast pace with the rapid development of DeFi. However, liquidity fragmentation and high gas fees remain significant issues. Layer 2 solutions are stepping up to address these challenges, offering the potential for a leaner and more efficient market.

Although not directly involved in one of its projects, there has been growing interest in the LogX Network this year, which is building a fully-fledged Layer 2 platform engineered specifically for perpetual contract trading. It is designed to aggregate liquidity from different chains, providing traders with access to more markets and potentially narrower spreads.

In addition to its utility in trading, the native token is expected to be used for governance, gas fees, and eventually revenue sharing. With listings on the horizon, it will be interesting to see how the utility and value of this token develop.

This targeted Layer 2 solution could be exactly what is needed to unlock the full potential of decentralized perpetual trading. Don't you think?

Fast growth of perpetual contracts in DeFi speaks to the quest for better ways to address challenges like financial sharing. and greater gas fees Layer 2 solutions like LogX Network can indeed make a difference by elevating performance and enhancing readiness for market participation. Pooling revenue across networks boosts business opportunities. and reduces costs for operators.

Widespread use of utility tokens for governance and revenue sharing provides another incentive for joining in. which can continue to grow continuously if done correctly This can really unlock the potential of a permanent business. and it helps the entrepreneur have a permanent business. It will be interesting to see how the market responds to such developments and how LogX positions itself in stiff competition.

I think current L2 already sufficient for perpetual trading, no need to create more L2 because then capital will be spread and it will not solve the problem relating liquidity.
what any decentralized perpetual trading platform need is interoperability between many chains, possibly leveraging on the interoperability across blockchain offered by omnichain protocol such as layerzero, hyperlane and other.

the only platform that I know that's decentralized, on chain, and have enough liquid to make future trading comfortable is hyperliquid with 1 billion dollar 24h volume and liquidity matters a lot if you trade future or perpetual



but there are certainly some other platform out there that might be worth trying though with significantly lower liquidity.

You actually present a very strong case as to where more 2-solutions layered on top of things would create the pitfall where one would reduce investment, not efficiency. In fact, in such a distributed permanent business collaboration is very important. Leverage protocols such as LayerZero or Hyperlane that help facilitate transactions across networks. Helps out with better cash management.

Hyperliquid's strength in finance and trading volumes really highlight how important it is as a strong platform in this space if existing L2s can successfully integrate these interoperability solutions, they may well be set up to run a permanent business without needing any additional layers around them-that's an interesting area to watch as the focus shifts to better financial management and cross-chain capability development.
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I think current L2 already sufficient for perpetual trading, no need to create more L2 because then capital will be spread and it will not solve the problem relating liquidity.
what any decentralized perpetual trading platform need is interoperability between many chains, possibly leveraging on the interoperability across blockchain offered by omnichain protocol such as layerzero, hyperlane and other.

the only platform that I know that's decentralized, on chain, and have enough liquid to make future trading comfortable is hyperliquid with 1 billion dollar 24h volume and liquidity matters a lot if you trade future or perpetual



but there are certainly some other platform out there that might be worth trying though with significantly lower liquidity.
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Does anyone know a good (unbiased*) place to start studying about L2, Decentralized Perpetual Trading, and related topics?
I noted also this is again the typical thread where a "seemingly general" question is made in the thread title and then the OP "answers" it "mentioning" some shady premined project Grin

Here in the forum I've created the Sidechain Observer just to talk about the technical side of Bitcoin L2s, namely sidechain-type layers (i.e. not Lightning, Ark or similar solutions without any chain).

I liked BitcoinLayers too, which reviews the security of L2 projects, including offchain solutions like LN. And LN is until now the only project they really approve.

And then there is this site by Jameson Lopp with more technical info about L2s.

A large list of Bitcoin L2s is l2.watch, but they list a lot of scams too.

About Decentralized Perpetual Trading I unfortunately don't have info. I also do not really follow Ethereum L2s (like rollups) that much, however some of them might be interesting too.
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Does anyone know a good (unbiased*) place to start studying about L2, Decentralized Perpetual Trading, and related topics?

*All the projects mentioned early in this thread (for example) might be brought up due to the poster having an investment. When something like BTC Layer 2 is finally getting popular, where can you start to get the best info which isn't also a sales pitch?
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Liquidity will still be a problem, just like those other decentralized protocol or services that have been set up before. Perpetual trading is very enjoyable when the liquidity is high. Very many users still prefer the traditional centralized exchanges just because of the simplicity involved in setting up the account and trading. Sadly, so many people don't care about privacy and decentralization. But let's wait and see how it goes.
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Perpetual trading is one type of trading that requires high frequency activities to be carried out (updating funding rates, fees, oracles, prices, etc). So yes, ideally a chain that is cheaper to process txs and it also being in a timely manner is very important — that's why projects like LogX build on Layer2s instead of layer-1s because if you want all users to participate regardless of status, then; fees need to be down because on the blockchain, they'd be two types of fees:
  • Transaction fees
  • Trading fees (including funding fees if perps)

While on a centralized exchange, you would only pay the trading fees but no transaction fees but at the cost of decentralization.

One project I'm excited about is HyperLiquid which is currently on an L2 (arbitrum) but is currently developing their very own L1 blockchain that will be processing only trading transactions.
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Perpetual contracts are still growing at a fast pace with the rapid development of DeFi. However, liquidity fragmentation and high gas fees remain significant issues. Layer 2 solutions are stepping up to address these challenges, offering the potential for a leaner and more efficient market.

Although not directly involved in one of its projects, there has been growing interest in the LogX Network this year, which is building a fully-fledged Layer 2 platform engineered specifically for perpetual contract trading. It is designed to aggregate liquidity from different chains, providing traders with access to more markets and potentially narrower spreads.

In addition to its utility in trading, the native token is expected to be used for governance, gas fees, and eventually revenue sharing. With listings on the horizon, it will be interesting to see how the utility and value of this token develop.

This targeted Layer 2 solution could be exactly what is needed to unlock the full potential of decentralized perpetual trading. Don't you think?
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