Topic: Is nsa behind the creation of bitcoin? (Read 217 times)
That is their personal assumption and in this matter everyone has their theory and speculation in it. Sometimes when you critically look at it, you might think that USA is involved in the creation of bitcoin because if USA is not involved they would have looked for all means to stop bitcoin. But that is not a concrete information and it is just a mere Speculation of it. The creation of bitcoin has been said by different users. Some said Satoshi Nakamoto is from China, Russian and America and really nobody knows where he comes from because the man himself is decentralized and he used that decentralization to create bitcoin.
Historically many American cryptographers worked for the NSA, of course they are not going to disclose it. Maybe a group of them did create Bitcoin. Does it matter? Not in the least, because its Free Open Source Software. The NSA made SELinux in a hope to better secure assets from other agencies, and yet anyone can benefit from that project.
Replacing the US Dollar may be harder to justify for a State entity, but its true that people working there have the passion for it. I wouldn't be surprised, nor care if it was a direct project, or indirect project. Didn't we have Tor from the US Navy? Who else used Tor?, yeah, Satoshi connecting to this forum of his... Same story, FOSS use it if it benefits, check the code if you are paranoid of backdoors.
TL;DR: Who cares. Good for them if they did.
Replacing the US Dollar may be harder to justify for a State entity, but its true that people working there have the passion for it. I wouldn't be surprised, nor care if it was a direct project, or indirect project. Didn't we have Tor from the US Navy? Who else used Tor?, yeah, Satoshi connecting to this forum of his... Same story, FOSS use it if it benefits, check the code if you are paranoid of backdoors.
TL;DR: Who cares. Good for them if they did.
It does matter as to who owns the more than a million coins owned by Satoshi. Whoever is the richest matters especially now that BTC is becoming more accepted even by the countries that don't normally accept it.
BTC will not be created by someone/group who will not benefit from it as well. And if it's created by NSA cryptographers then BTC's existence didn't just happen in a vacuum.
If NSA created Bitcoin, did CIA need to pay Gavin Andresen for the talk?
I don't see the relevance. There are lots of reasons for the CIA to address Gavin back when the project was only a year old. If they created it, then why would they do everything possible to bring it under control?
The posted article does provide an analogy, that bitcoin could be a virus that escaped from the lab. I mean it does make sense for a researcher to have heard of this internally, and thought of releasing it under a pseudonym, so they could forestall the financial advantage. 
If the National Security Agency created Bitcoin, why does the SEC refuse to accept Bitcoin ETF requests, why cannot the United States ban or withdraw currencies found in blocked addresses, and how does it allow users to make money transfers without identity verification?
I think they are delaying the ETF because they want to use it in their own favours. One thing they have acknowledged is that they cannot control the BTC blockchain, but now they also realise that they should not ignore this opportunity while they can fill their pockets with a huge amount of money. If you still do not understand, then allow me to explain it more.They are dealing with the ETFs because they want to use them as fuel so that they will accept them at the end of the halving or when the bullish cycle starts. By doing that, the market will take a boom and BTC will go beyond its limits.
They cannot control the blockchain because the validators and the authenticators are scattered all over the world, and they cannot overtake the whole blockchain. Even if they ban the use of BTC or blockchain in some single country, the blockchain will still keep going. They cannot make others join their club so that they can make it centralized by controlling it using others. Because other validators will not join them.
Historically many American cryptographers worked for the NSA, of course they are not going to disclose it. Maybe a group of them did create Bitcoin. Does it matter? Not in the least, because its Free Open Source Software. The NSA made SELinux in a hope to better secure assets from other agencies, and yet anyone can benefit from that project.
Replacing the US Dollar may be harder to justify for a State entity, but its true that people working there have the passion for it. I wouldn't be surprised, nor care if it was a direct project, or indirect project. Didn't we have Tor from the US Navy? Who else used Tor?, yeah, Satoshi connecting to this forum of his... Same story, FOSS use it if it benefits, check the code if you are paranoid of backdoors.
TL;DR: Who cares. Good for them if they did.
Replacing the US Dollar may be harder to justify for a State entity, but its true that people working there have the passion for it. I wouldn't be surprised, nor care if it was a direct project, or indirect project. Didn't we have Tor from the US Navy? Who else used Tor?, yeah, Satoshi connecting to this forum of his... Same story, FOSS use it if it benefits, check the code if you are paranoid of backdoors.
TL;DR: Who cares. Good for them if they did.
Thanks for sharing this information, because if did not knew that there is another organization claiming to be the founder of Btc. The answer to your question lies in the same article you have provided. In which the former NSA cryptanalyst Jeff Man, said "
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Man concluded that even if they did, it is likely we’ll never find out the real story behind the world’s most popular digital asset until it doesn’t matter anymore.
".Hmm, I would like to endorse this as it really doesn't matter anymore, what we can get from it, as I was going through the thread reading found a buddy has said even he was able to reveal his identity and he didn't so why dining the empty land where you cant find any more clues.
Also as ETFbitcoin said this is not the only paper having similarities with Bitcoin, and this is not the first time we are debating on this, What's motive, and what can be the outcome as we know even after knowing the identity of the creator of worlds most recognized digital currency you cant change the progress it already made out.
Haha well, this thread is quite bold, I can see some direct hits on point.. Well, History is History that focuses on the present and planning for the future, no need to know who was he, just support his mission that's it.
Actually for me personally theories like this are quite cliché, and we have found a lot of conspiracy theories about the process of creation and the creator of Bitcoin.
Talking interesting or not about this, for me is quite interesting, because after all I am very curious about what happened in the formation of this technology.
Logically about the issue of leakage, they should have claimed Bitcoin at the beginning of the release and when Bitcoin booming in the early years. Why did their conspiracy appear in 2023?
It should have showed a complete proposal about what is appointed as evidence of conspiracy as a reading, but I strongly believe that it is easy to manipulate, and fools believe it.
Talking interesting or not about this, for me is quite interesting, because after all I am very curious about what happened in the formation of this technology.
Logically about the issue of leakage, they should have claimed Bitcoin at the beginning of the release and when Bitcoin booming in the early years. Why did their conspiracy appear in 2023?
It should have showed a complete proposal about what is appointed as evidence of conspiracy as a reading, but I strongly believe that it is easy to manipulate, and fools believe it.
There isn’t any direct evidence in the news or on the article you provided that the NSA is behind the creation of bitcoin. “Just a ton of circumstantial evidence” equals nothing solid or concrete enough to be considered truth.
Asides that, if the NSA is really behind the creation of bitcoin which I think is quite far fetched, what’s in it for them? Surely they must have an angle.
Asides that, if the NSA is really behind the creation of bitcoin which I think is quite far fetched, what’s in it for them? Surely they must have an angle.
nic carter saying that the NSA is the one who created Bitcoin, so NSA is Satoshi Nakamoto? although this is just a theory, on the news they are showing evidence that it was the NSA who created Bitcoin what are your thoughts?
here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
Apart from admitting to inventing bitcoin, what else will the NSA admit to. News continues to be reported that shows controversy and I am sure this will continue to happen and be done to bring down Bitcoin which is considered successful. Maybe in the future it will no longer be the NSA who will admit that bitcoin is their invention, maybe someone else.here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
Screenshot of the paper shared on Twitter belonging to Daniel Roberts with the username @danroberts0101 from the one listed on the cointelgraph link does not really support that it is a correct theory if its level of truth is tested in court because in my opinion it is different from the bitcoin white paper that we know belongs to Satoshi Nakamoto.
It's getting weirder every day.
Why not create a new private innovation if they think Bitcoin can be successful.
Well looks like that journal should be in print and could simply be sourced.
Easy for anyone especially big institution to claim something not belong to them especially when the owner is not yet found. Maybe that claim is made to test on how people would react to the news to see if they can manipulate the minds of people. But its clearly nonsense claim that's why we need to focus on facts and just read then ignore what we are reading to them or those articles since we can expect that many people will still use this topic just to confuse people.
So many conspiracy theories about the creation of Bitcoin but little fact to prove its authenticity. The concept or vision of a decentralized currency might not be the idea of Satoshi but it was him that implemented the idea and came up with something unique. This theory has some claims that look valid but they can also be a coincidence. The names Tatsuaki Okamoto and Satoshi Nakamoto might just happen by chance. Some of the proponents of this conspiracy theory such as Nic Carter and NSA cryptanalyst Jeff Man might just be attention seekers. It is Satoshi Nakamoto who created Bitcoin until these Faketoshi prove otherwise. 
nic carter saying that the NSA is the one who created Bitcoin, so NSA is Satoshi Nakamoto? although this is just a theory, on the news they are showing evidence that it was the NSA who created Bitcoin what are your thoughts?
NSA is or are not the creator of bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto invented bitcoin and made a success on it, many other coders and cypherpunks would have previously worked with the NSA in the past, which some of them were part of the contributors to the development of SHA256 upon which bitcoin also work with on the blockchain, if the NSA are the ones who created bitcoin then maybe he would have accepted that bitcoin is not a decentralized digital currency, because they will be in charge of every modification on the network.
Easy for anyone especially big institution to claim something not belong to them especially when the owner is not yet found. Maybe that claim is made to test on how people would react to the news to see if they can manipulate the minds of people. But its clearly nonsense claim that's why we need to focus on facts and just read then ignore what we are reading to them or those articles since we can expect that many people will still use this topic just to confuse people.
nic carter saying that the NSA is the one who created Bitcoin, so NSA is Satoshi Nakamoto? although this is just a theory, on the news they are showing evidence that it was the NSA who created Bitcoin what are your thoughts?
here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
Thanks for sharing this information, because if did not knew that there is another organization claiming to be the founder of Btc. The answer to your question lies in the same article you have provided. In which the former NSA cryptanalyst Jeff Man, said "here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
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Man concluded that even if they did, it is likely we’ll never find out the real story behind the world’s most popular digital asset until it doesn’t matter anymore.
".Means, now, we know that, Satoshi is the real founder because he is registered here on BTT and also have a lot of BTC in his possession. Which makes him the only founder of btc. Did NSA have any founder registered on this forum? No, they don't which indicates that, they are just after the btc technology and wanted a way in to make it centralized and to make it a property of USA.
Which is not good. Overall, now things are not in their hands and I am happy for that and according to the stories in news you have shared they are making this sha256 encrypted techniques for encryption of messages of attacks. If I did not interpret them wrong.
Means, they were not trying to make btc or some coin even the content of the mint white paper mentioned in the article does not says much about btc.
nic carter saying that the NSA is the one who created Bitcoin, so NSA is Satoshi Nakamoto? although this is just a theory, on the news they are showing evidence that it was the NSA who created Bitcoin what are your thoughts?
NSA is or are not the creator of bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto invented bitcoin and made a success on it, many other coders and cypherpunks would have previously worked with the NSA in the past, which some of them were part of the contributors to the development of SHA256 upon which bitcoin also work with on the blockchain, if the NSA are the ones who created bitcoin then maybe he would have accepted that bitcoin is not a decentralized digital currency, because they will be in charge of every modification on the network.
If the National Security Agency created Bitcoin, why does the SEC refuse to accept Bitcoin ETF requests, why cannot the United States ban or withdraw currencies found in blocked addresses, and how does it allow users to make money transfers without identity verification?
Because they didn't, because bitcoin transactions are free from government control so they can't ask for KYC inside the network, they can only ask for it when you are trying to exchange bitcoin for fiat, that's the border of their power over bitcoin, and because after 15 years nobody has been able to touch any "blocked", or "unblocked" addresses without having the private key.Why are people obsessed with such notions? So what if aliens created bitcoin? You just enjoy this amazing ability of transferring money worldwide without ever leaving your room and having people asking all sorts of questions. Let go of such theories.
nic carter saying that the NSA is the one who created Bitcoin, so NSA is Satoshi Nakamoto? although this is just a theory, on the news they are showing evidence that it was the NSA who created Bitcoin what are your thoughts?
here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
Apart from admitting to inventing bitcoin, what else will the NSA admit to. News continues to be reported that shows controversy and I am sure this will continue to happen and be done to bring down Bitcoin which is considered successful. Maybe in the future it will no longer be the NSA who will admit that bitcoin is their invention, maybe someone else.here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
Screenshot of the paper shared on Twitter belonging to Daniel Roberts with the username @danroberts0101 from the one listed on the cointelgraph link does not really support that it is a correct theory if its level of truth is tested in court because in my opinion it is different from the bitcoin white paper that we know belongs to Satoshi Nakamoto.
It's getting weirder every day.
Why not create a new private innovation if they think Bitcoin can be successful.
nic carter saying that the NSA is the one who created Bitcoin, so NSA is Satoshi Nakamoto? although this is just a theory, on the news they are showing evidence that it was the NSA who created Bitcoin what are your thoughts?
here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
Don't easily believe on what you read or see in internet since any article could deceive you. Satoshi's identity is a hot topic that's why many media sites create fake claims so that they can gather a lot of engagement and earn a lot of money from it. Just wait for someone or entities that can show a strong proof that can expose the real identity of the Bitcoin creator. Its a waste of energy to believe or engage with their claims if they cannot support it with strong evidence.
If the National Security Agency created Bitcoin, why does the SEC refuse to accept Bitcoin ETF requests, why cannot the United States ban or withdraw currencies found in blocked addresses, and how does it allow users to make money transfers without identity verification?
No real proof though. But it's possible that all these lawsuits and regulation meeting is just a play.
The monetary system in the US knows that decades later, economic collapse will happen and the 2008 crash was just the beginning. BTC becoming a global reserve will be acceptable soon while they are not up to go back to the gold standard. Blackrock adopting BTC is just the start of it while SEC is just trolling.
On the other pole, China and their BRICS are going back to Gold.
The monetary system in the US knows that decades later, economic collapse will happen and the 2008 crash was just the beginning. BTC becoming a global reserve will be acceptable soon while they are not up to go back to the gold standard. Blackrock adopting BTC is just the start of it while SEC is just trolling.
On the other pole, China and their BRICS are going back to Gold.
If there was any truth in the fact that "no such agency" was behind the creation of BTC, then everything that the most famous whistle-blower brought to the public on that topic would be a fabrication - and I think that it was his revelations that broke the myth that this agency was responsible to create Bitcoin. If they created it, then why would they do everything possible to bring it under control?
Of course they cooperate, but they are still two different agencies that have their own working methods and areas in which they are active, and it's not like they really interfere in each other's work if it's not absolutely necessary. In addition, the agency we are talking about is still much more secretive and deals with some things that are much more shrouded in secrecy than other agencies. That's why it earned the nickname "no such agency".
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Or NSA and CIA have no cooperations in the same nation, USA?
Or NSA and CIA have no cooperations in the same nation, USA?
Of course they cooperate, but they are still two different agencies that have their own working methods and areas in which they are active, and it's not like they really interfere in each other's work if it's not absolutely necessary. In addition, the agency we are talking about is still much more secretive and deals with some things that are much more shrouded in secrecy than other agencies. That's why it earned the nickname "no such agency".
Let them continue to speculate on Faketoshis.
If Satoshi Nakamoto wants to disclose his/her/their identity, people would have known him/her/them by now. The only prove that can be used to know who Satoshi really is if he reveals himself to the public.
When he has not reveal himself, see anyone that are involved in the progress of bitcoin as Satoshi.
If Satoshi Nakamoto wants to disclose his/her/their identity, people would have known him/her/them by now. The only prove that can be used to know who Satoshi really is if he reveals himself to the public.
When he has not reveal himself, see anyone that are involved in the progress of bitcoin as Satoshi.
Not everyone wants to have their identity laid bare before the world. Especially people whos face would be known by everyone in the world. Fame is a lot of anxiety for some people, while for others its a dream come true. Take Grigori Perelman for example, a genius mathematician who changed the world forever by solving one of the 7 millennium problems. He would rather stay away from cameras, paparazzi and interviewers.
Or the guy who invented Flappy Bird. He could have become very rich and famous but decided that he did not want that.
Those kinds of actions might seem completely insane and out of touch with reality to us, but such people exist.
I see no need to create conspiracy theories about Satoshi Nakamoto.
CIA invited Gavin Andresen to educate, enlighten them about Bitcoin.
Gavin will visit the CIA.
If NSA created Bitcoin, did CIA need to pay Gavin Andresen for the talk?
Or NSA and CIA have no cooperations in the same nation, USA?
Gavin will visit the CIA.
If NSA created Bitcoin, did CIA need to pay Gavin Andresen for the talk?
Or NSA and CIA have no cooperations in the same nation, USA?
Let them continue to speculate on Faketoshis.
If Satoshi Nakamoto wants to disclose his/her/their identity, people would have known him/her/them by now. The only prove that can be used to know who Satoshi really is if he reveals himself to the public.
When he has not reveal himself, see anyone that are involved in the progress of bitcoin as Satoshi.
If Satoshi Nakamoto wants to disclose his/her/their identity, people would have known him/her/them by now. The only prove that can be used to know who Satoshi really is if he reveals himself to the public.
When he has not reveal himself, see anyone that are involved in the progress of bitcoin as Satoshi.
nic carter saying that the NSA is the one who created Bitcoin, so NSA is Satoshi Nakamoto? although this is just a theory, on the news they are showing evidence that it was the NSA who created Bitcoin what are your thoughts?
here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
here is the link to the news:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nic-carter-supports-bitcoin-invented-by-nsa-conspiracy-theory
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