Topic: Is President Joe Biden Fair to Afghans? (Read 302 times)
US does what it does best over the last 100+ years: namely destroying countries and leaving a mess behind under the cover of democracy, freedom etc. For instances, in Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya, so many countries in Latein America, you name it ... Weak president Joe's policy, if you can call it a policy at all, is only a continuation of the past failures.
Again the campaign to corner Afghanistan with the slander of September 11 under the guise of terrorism. Is that so afraid of the world with the influence of Islam to make slanders that discriminate against Islam with campaigns that describe Islam as a terrorist?
In all honesty, I really cannot blame Biden because of this decision. I mean, I am not a fan of the guy but this problem isn't really that easy to fix. On one hand, the Afghans are suffering and on the other hand, terrorists are ruling the country. Of course I wouldn't trust such huge funds on terrorists and instead opt for better distribution for the people really affected by the civil war and the people suffering. I believe that there really isn't a huge difference between right and wrong in the chouces available for biden right now.
- Either way, I really feel for the Afghans and I hope that they manage to solve their own countries problem because if not, they will only be food to be taken advantage of by other forces (to control).
- Either way, I really feel for the Afghans and I hope that they manage to solve their own countries problem because if not, they will only be food to be taken advantage of by other forces (to control).
True. we need to look at Afghanistan issue in historical context, the Afghans are suffering since December,1979 when Soviet Union forces invaded Afghanistan and there were no Taliban at that time, Afghanistan was ruled by president Hafizullah Amin, a leftist politician. Osama Bin laden and Taliban were created by Allied forces to use them against Soviet Union forces . Allied forces succeed to defeat them with US high tech weapons and Afghans muscles power . America won this war and walked away from Afghanistan leaving behind all the mess created by them and this was not new they always create mess but never clean it. Afghans didn't get anything out of these 2 wars despite massive killings of their people , first by Soviet Union and later by USA. What happened it happened and we can not change the history but now US must find some way to help millions of Afghns to avoid human crisis.
And yet they continue to punish the country for not giving back the money they have? Not even recognizing the government this time. It's not helping them.
China will be there and have recognized them and will provide infrastructure to them and loan them to develop the country like what the Chinese are doing in Africa. I'm not sure how this will turn out for the US government once the Afghans regain more power and even have nuclear capacity.
In all honesty, I really cannot blame Biden because of this decision. I mean, I am not a fan of the guy but this problem isn't really that easy to fix. On one hand, the Afghans are suffering and on the other hand, terrorists are ruling the country. Of course I wouldn't trust such huge funds on terrorists and instead opt for better distribution for the people really affected by the civil war and the people suffering. I believe that there really isn't a huge difference between right and wrong in the chouces available for biden right now.
- Either way, I really feel for the Afghans and I hope that they manage to solve their own countries problem because if not, they will only be food to be taken advantage of by other forces (to control).
- Either way, I really feel for the Afghans and I hope that they manage to solve their own countries problem because if not, they will only be food to be taken advantage of by other forces (to control).
True. we need to look at Afghanistan issue in historical context, the Afghans are suffering since December,1979 when Soviet Union forces invaded Afghanistan and there were no Taliban at that time, Afghanistan was ruled by president Hafizullah Amin, a leftist politician. Osama Bin laden and Taliban were created by Allied forces to use them against Soviet Union forces . Allied forces succeed to defeat them with US high tech weapons and Afghans muscles power . America won this war and walked away from Afghanistan leaving behind all the mess created by them and this was not new they always create mess but never clean it. Afghans didn't get anything out of these 2 wars despite massive killings of their people , first by Soviet Union and later by USA. What happened it happened and we can not change the history but now US must find some way to help millions of Afghns to avoid human crisis.
It is a good plan of disbursement of national fund. Africans countries should used this method of recovered national fund to the poor, not to the national Treasury for another siphoning or stealing.
Mostly Nigeria has discovered a lot of money stolen by corrupt politicians yet the citizenries do not know how these recovered fund are used.
Mostly Nigeria has discovered a lot of money stolen by corrupt politicians yet the citizenries do not know how these recovered fund are used.
US betrayed the Afghans once again and many US close allies are afraid that this can happen to them too.
Betray what? did you know that America has spent more than 2 trillion dollars on this useless war? when America decided to leave Afghanistan it was the wisest decision they could make. America has betrayed no one here. From the beginning, America was involved in Afghanistan to take their revenge on al-Qaida. This caused security chaos in Afghanistan and America helped Afghanistan to solve this problem. But after nearly 20 years of a meaningless war, Afghanistan has not changed, so America left Afghanistan, especially after the Taliban declared they were ready to run this country, America was determined to leave this country. So America doesn't betray anyone here.
The US handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban, a terrorist organisation, and noone from the public even knows the details of the Doha contract they signed, and left a mess behind, to say the least, under which primarily the Afghans are suffering. On many occasions US sacrificed Afghan lives for its own short term gain, like freeing suicide murders at the request/or under the pressure of US for some US cause. Does these not fulfil the conditions for betrayal? or do you have a different definition?
It wasn't treason, America was simply withdrawing from a meaningless war, it wasn't anything wrong. However, in the eyes of US veterans, especially those who have fought in Afghanistan they feel betrayed, they find it difficult to accept the fact that America left Afghanistan https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/12/anger-betrayal-and-humiliation-how-veterans-feel-about-the-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
It was not a responsible withdrawl, more of a betrayal. The US army left Bagram in the middle of the night after turning all lights off, without informing anyone from Afghanistan and the scences from Kabul airport, you might remember also ... US was perceived as friend in the early 2000s and now almost everyone hates them -> because they feel betrayed ... because the US gives a damn F about the agreements it signed. I don't understand why you mention people connected to US as victims. We know who the real victims are, the kids, women ... living and suffering, primarily because of the wrong, inhuman US foreign policy, in Afghanistan.
US betrayed the Afghans once again and many US close allies are afraid that this can happen to them too.
Betray what? did you know that America has spent more than 2 trillion dollars on this useless war? when America decided to leave Afghanistan it was the wisest decision they could make. America has betrayed no one here. From the beginning, America was involved in Afghanistan to take their revenge on al-Qaida. This caused security chaos in Afghanistan and America helped Afghanistan to solve this problem. But after nearly 20 years of a meaningless war, Afghanistan has not changed, so America left Afghanistan, especially after the Taliban declared they were ready to run this country, America was determined to leave this country. So America doesn't betray anyone here.
The US handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban, a terrorist organisation, and noone from the public even knows the details of the Doha contract they signed, and left a mess behind, to say the least, under which primarily the Afghans are suffering. On many occasions US sacrificed Afghan lives for its own short term gain, like freeing suicide murders at the request/or under the pressure of US for some US cause. Does these not fulfil the conditions for betrayal? or do you have a different definition?
It wasn't treason, America was simply withdrawing from a meaningless war, it wasn't anything wrong. However, in the eyes of US veterans, especially those who have fought in Afghanistan they feel betrayed, they find it difficult to accept the fact that America left Afghanistan https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/12/anger-betrayal-and-humiliation-how-veterans-feel-about-the-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
US betrayed the Afghans once again and many US close allies are afraid that this can happen to them too.
Betray what? did you know that America has spent more than 2 trillion dollars on this useless war? when America decided to leave Afghanistan it was the wisest decision they could make. America has betrayed no one here. From the beginning, America was involved in Afghanistan to take their revenge on al-Qaida. This caused security chaos in Afghanistan and America helped Afghanistan to solve this problem. But after nearly 20 years of a meaningless war, Afghanistan has not changed, so America left Afghanistan, especially after the Taliban declared they were ready to run this country, America was determined to leave this country. So America doesn't betray anyone here.
The US handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban, a terrorist organisation, and noone from the public even knows the details of the Doha contract they signed, and left a mess behind, to say the least, under which primarily the Afghans are suffering. On many occasions US sacrificed Afghan lives for its own short term gain, like freeing suicide murders at the request/or under the pressure of US for some US cause. Does these not fulfil the conditions for betrayal? or do you have a different definition?
In all honesty, I really cannot blame Biden because of this decision. I mean, I am not a fan of the guy but this problem isn't really that easy to fix. On one hand, the Afghans are suffering and on the other hand, terrorists are ruling the country. Of course I wouldn't trust such huge funds on terrorists and instead opt for better distribution for the people really affected by the civil war and the people suffering. I believe that there really isn't a huge difference between right and wrong in the chouces available for biden right now.
- Either way, I really feel for the Afghans and I hope that they manage to solve their own countries problem because if not, they will only be food to be taken advantage of by other forces (to control).
- Either way, I really feel for the Afghans and I hope that they manage to solve their own countries problem because if not, they will only be food to be taken advantage of by other forces (to control).
Do you think that the US government and the US president care about the Afghan people? Do you also think that the ousted Afghan government or the Taliban movement also cares for the Afghan people? I don't think so at all.
The US government does not care about the Afghan people, but what it cares about is protecting its interests and not being threatened, so they will not return this money to the Taliban, which can be used against them. As for the ousted Afghan government, which fled and left the Afghan people to face their fate, it does not deserve to get any dollars because they will put it in their pockets Nothing will come to the Afghan people, and so will the Taliban. They will use the money to buy more weapons and mercenaries to strengthen their power and they will not care about the suffering of the Afghan people at all.
The US government does not care about the Afghan people, but what it cares about is protecting its interests and not being threatened, so they will not return this money to the Taliban, which can be used against them. As for the ousted Afghan government, which fled and left the Afghan people to face their fate, it does not deserve to get any dollars because they will put it in their pockets Nothing will come to the Afghan people, and so will the Taliban. They will use the money to buy more weapons and mercenaries to strengthen their power and they will not care about the suffering of the Afghan people at all.
Well, I'm not surprised they don't care about the Afghans. But they surely care about Uyghurs of China even if they are the baddest combination at all. Uyghurs are Muslims and also Chinese as well.
The Afghans are suffering and with these funds, it will be a relief for them to restart their lives after its been militarized for 20 years. But why is the previous president not even found today? How difficult is it to find that guy who flies out of the country with a helicopter full of money?
Do you think that the US government and the US president care about the Afghan people? Do you also think that the ousted Afghan government or the Taliban movement also cares for the Afghan people? I don't think so at all.
The US government does not care about the Afghan people, but what it cares about is protecting its interests and not being threatened, so they will not return this money to the Taliban, which can be used against them. As for the ousted Afghan government, which fled and left the Afghan people to face their fate, it does not deserve to get any dollars because they will put it in their pockets Nothing will come to the Afghan people, and so will the Taliban. They will use the money to buy more weapons and mercenaries to strengthen their power and they will not care about the suffering of the Afghan people at all.
The US government does not care about the Afghan people, but what it cares about is protecting its interests and not being threatened, so they will not return this money to the Taliban, which can be used against them. As for the ousted Afghan government, which fled and left the Afghan people to face their fate, it does not deserve to get any dollars because they will put it in their pockets Nothing will come to the Afghan people, and so will the Taliban. They will use the money to buy more weapons and mercenaries to strengthen their power and they will not care about the suffering of the Afghan people at all.
Not to give favor to the Talibans but it's their government now. Whether US is not recognizing them as the government of Afghanistan or not, it's what is happening on the ground. The Taliban is the government of the country NOT the US.
What will the US do if Afghanistan starts using BTC like El Salvador, are they also to going to prevent them like what they are doing to El Salvador this time?
Bukele responded to them that they don't have ZERO jurisdiction over El Salvador, maybe they should also start thinking they also have ZERO for Afghanistan.
https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1494066643625988107
What will the US do if Afghanistan starts using BTC like El Salvador, are they also to going to prevent them like what they are doing to El Salvador this time?
Bukele responded to them that they don't have ZERO jurisdiction over El Salvador, maybe they should also start thinking they also have ZERO for Afghanistan.
https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1494066643625988107
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OK boomers…
You have 0 jurisdiction on a sovereign and independent nation.
We are not your colony, your back yard or your front yard.
Stay out of our internal affairs.
Don’t try to control something you can’t control 😉
You have 0 jurisdiction on a sovereign and independent nation.
We are not your colony, your back yard or your front yard.
Stay out of our internal affairs.
Don’t try to control something you can’t control 😉
They say heavy lies the head that wears the crown or so the sayings go. Decision making is no easy thing, it doesn't fit for everyone but in a civilised world as we have it today, I think it's in the nations best interest as somehow, it all goes right to the country that owned the money and to some extent, might elevate the citizens of Afghanistan as well. Giving the whole money right over to the Taliban government doesn't mean it would be used for the greater good of the poeple. There rule is already questionable and the same thjng would also go on money and how it's distributed.
US betrayed the Afghans once again and many US close allies are afraid that this can happen to them too.
Betray what? did you know that America has spent more than 2 trillion dollars on this useless war? when America decided to leave Afghanistan it was the wisest decision they could make. America has betrayed no one here. From the beginning, America was involved in Afghanistan to take their revenge on al-Qaida. This caused security chaos in Afghanistan and America helped Afghanistan to solve this problem. But after nearly 20 years of a meaningless war, Afghanistan has not changed, so America left Afghanistan, especially after the Taliban declared they were ready to run this country, America was determined to leave this country. So America doesn't betray anyone here.
US betrayed the Afghans once again and many US close allies are afraid that this can happen to them too.
President Biden's decision not to give the full amount of money to the Taliban was the right decision. Because as we know that the Taliban is a group that has been known as a terrorist and how can they possibly manage the country well? we have seen that many people are leaving Afghanistan because of the cruelty of the Taliban. Giving them complete control over that kind of money would give them the opportunity to get stronger, they could use the money to buy weapons from the illegal market, who knows.
Buy weapons? More like he just gave them basic weapons along with advanced ones they can just flat out sell to Russia, China or the highest bidder. And to OP Fair to Afghans? He just pulled out when these people still don't know how to run a country on their own... Really I think Afghanistan should have been the 51st state with all the Lithium they have and all the blood and sweet the crumbling US Empire put into it. Where is America's return on investment? None. Should have never gone and just have those people destroy themselves with their own ignorance.
America has spent a lot of money on a useless war in Afghanistan. So their decision to get out of there is the most appropriate thing. And also Afghans should be able to run their own country without any help from America because that's what they want and following the peace agreement between the Taliban and the U.S.
Overall it was a pointless war. The people that basically controlled it before now control it again. The US got nothing out of it besides killing the Taliban's possible intent to be "terrorists" now they can focus that energy on the American people which has been the plan all along.
It's time for America to focus on its people instead of dealing with the wars in the Middle East. They spent more than 2 Trillion dollars and got nothing from this war. If only that amount of money were used for their citizens, they would be able to help those in need, especially in the health sector.
President Biden's decision not to give the full amount of money to the Taliban was the right decision. Because as we know that the Taliban is a group that has been known as a terrorist and how can they possibly manage the country well? we have seen that many people are leaving Afghanistan because of the cruelty of the Taliban. Giving them complete control over that kind of money would give them the opportunity to get stronger, they could use the money to buy weapons from the illegal market, who knows.
Buy weapons? More like he just gave them basic weapons along with advanced ones they can just flat out sell to Russia, China or the highest bidder. And to OP Fair to Afghans? He just pulled out when these people still don't know how to run a country on their own... Really I think Afghanistan should have been the 51st state with all the Lithium they have and all the blood and sweet the crumbling US Empire put into it. Where is America's return on investment? None. Should have never gone and just have those people destroy themselves with their own ignorance.
America has spent a lot of money on a useless war in Afghanistan. So their decision to get out of there is the most appropriate thing. And also Afghans should be able to run their own country without any help from America because that's what they want and following the peace agreement between the Taliban and the U.S.
Overall it was a pointless war. The people that basically controlled it before now control it again. The US got nothing out of it besides killing the Taliban's possible intent to be "terrorists" now they can focus that energy on the American people which has been the plan all along.
True it was a pointless war and US didn't get anything despite spending Billions of dollars and massive killing of Afghans, Taliban were ruling then and Taliban are ruling now. By the way not a single Afghan was involved on twin towers attack on 9/11. I think US should support afghan people through NGOs to stabilize Afghanistan’s ravaged economy and prevent a humanitarian crisis. Above all remember your humanity.
President Biden's decision not to give the full amount of money to the Taliban was the right decision. Because as we know that the Taliban is a group that has been known as a terrorist and how can they possibly manage the country well? we have seen that many people are leaving Afghanistan because of the cruelty of the Taliban. Giving them complete control over that kind of money would give them the opportunity to get stronger, they could use the money to buy weapons from the illegal market, who knows.
Buy weapons? More like he just gave them basic weapons along with advanced ones they can just flat out sell to Russia, China or the highest bidder. And to OP Fair to Afghans? He just pulled out when these people still don't know how to run a country on their own... Really I think Afghanistan should have been the 51st state with all the Lithium they have and all the blood and sweet the crumbling US Empire put into it. Where is America's return on investment? None. Should have never gone and just have those people destroy themselves with their own ignorance.
America has spent a lot of money on a useless war in Afghanistan. So their decision to get out of there is the most appropriate thing. And also Afghans should be able to run their own country without any help from America because that's what they want and following the peace agreement between the Taliban and the U.S.
Overall it was a pointless war. The people that basically controlled it before now control it again. The US got nothing out of it besides killing the Taliban's possible intent to be "terrorists" now they can focus that energy on the American people which has been the plan all along.
President Biden's decision not to give the full amount of money to the Taliban was the right decision. Because as we know that the Taliban is a group that has been known as a terrorist and how can they possibly manage the country well? we have seen that many people are leaving Afghanistan because of the cruelty of the Taliban. Giving them complete control over that kind of money would give them the opportunity to get stronger, they could use the money to buy weapons from the illegal market, who knows.
Buy weapons? More like he just gave them basic weapons along with advanced ones they can just flat out sell to Russia, China or the highest bidder. And to OP Fair to Afghans? He just pulled out when these people still don't know how to run a country on their own... Really I think Afghanistan should have been the 51st state with all the Lithium they have and all the blood and sweet the crumbling US Empire put into it. Where is America's return on investment? None. Should have never gone and just have those people destroy themselves with their own ignorance.
America has spent a lot of money on a useless war in Afghanistan. So their decision to get out of there is the most appropriate thing. And also Afghans should be able to run their own country without any help from America because that's what they want and following the peace agreement between the Taliban and the U.S.
President Biden's decision not to give the full amount of money to the Taliban was the right decision. Because as we know that the Taliban is a group that has been known as a terrorist and how can they possibly manage the country well? we have seen that many people are leaving Afghanistan because of the cruelty of the Taliban. Giving them complete control over that kind of money would give them the opportunity to get stronger, they could use the money to buy weapons from the illegal market, who knows.
Buy weapons? More like he just gave them basic weapons along with advanced ones they can just flat out sell to Russia, China or the highest bidder. And to OP Fair to Afghans? He just pulled out when these people still don't know how to run a country on their own... Really I think Afghanistan should have been the 51st state with all the Lithium they have and all the blood and sweet the crumbling US Empire put into it. Where is America's return on investment? None. Should have never gone and just have those people destroy themselves with their own ignorance.
President Biden's decision not to give the full amount of money to the Taliban was the right decision. Because as we know that the Taliban is a group that has been known as a terrorist and how can they possibly manage the country well? we have seen that many people are leaving Afghanistan because of the cruelty of the Taliban. Giving them complete control over that kind of money would give them the opportunity to get stronger, they could use the money to buy weapons from the illegal market, who knows.
Is all that money owned by the former Afghan government? I think other governments should at least have to option to take back the money they have donated to the country since they donated it to the democratic government, not the Taliban.
As for the rest of the money, I'm having reservations about handing it over to the Taliban. First, they're not the one who earned it, it was the government they deposed. Second, who knows what they'll end up doing with it. They could just use it fund further military activities. Regardless, none of that is likely to end up in the hands of the Afghan people.
Was this how it has always been? When do a government become "legitimate"? Is it a matter of how many foreign government recognize it?
As for the rest of the money, I'm having reservations about handing it over to the Taliban. First, they're not the one who earned it, it was the government they deposed. Second, who knows what they'll end up doing with it. They could just use it fund further military activities. Regardless, none of that is likely to end up in the hands of the Afghan people.
The US doesn't have to recognize the Taliban as the official new government, they weren't democratically elected so the funds still belong to the previous Afghanistan government. Seeing as they're no longer active, that means the funds are forfeited. It's not fair, but welcome to currency centralization. If the Afghanistan people were concerned about money mismanagement, they shouldn't have allocated 7 billion USD to a government that has a tough time managing their own economy and maybe owned a bit of crypto themselves.
Was this how it has always been? When do a government become "legitimate"? Is it a matter of how many foreign government recognize it?
International politics are rarely about fairness and good intentions. Even if many western countries argue about human rights abuse and the dire situation of the women in Afghanistan - basically being treated as cattle, but with less rights, the fact is that US government cares fundamentally about being re-elected. One way of making sure you are not re-elected is handing money to the Talibans and then having them use it to commit terrorist attacks in your territory.
US will return the money not on fairness or legal arguments, but under the certainty that it won't be used to threaten them.
US will return the money not on fairness or legal arguments, but under the certainty that it won't be used to threaten them.
The US government should not release the money to the Taliban. If they did, the money would not go to the Afghans, it would further fund terrorism and mid-evil behavior that the Taliban engages in.
The US doesn't have to recognize the Taliban as the official new government, they weren't democratically elected so the funds still belong to the previous Afghanistan government. Seeing as they're no longer active, that means the funds are forfeited. It's not fair, but welcome to currency centralization. If the Afghanistan people were concerned about money mismanagement, they shouldn't have allocated 7 billion USD to a government that has a tough time managing their own economy and maybe owned a bit of crypto themselves.
After the fall of the Democratic Government in Afghanistan and the rise of the Taliban, the US froze the $7bn owned by the deposed government in the US Federal Reserved Bank.
After much pressure from International organizations and US allies for the fund to be released to a country that is facing multidimensional economic challenges, the US has finally agreed to release the fund.
But the pattern of the fund release is drawing a lot of argument and confusion. Since the US does not recognize the the new government, they have decided to do everything possible to keep it out of the hands of the Taliban.
President Joe Biden just signed an executive order to share the money into two halves. One part would go to a trust fund to cater for humanitarian assistance in Afghanistan. While the other part would be used to compensate the families of the September 11 terrorist attack victims.
Do you think this plan is fair to the people of Afghanistan?
After much pressure from International organizations and US allies for the fund to be released to a country that is facing multidimensional economic challenges, the US has finally agreed to release the fund.
But the pattern of the fund release is drawing a lot of argument and confusion. Since the US does not recognize the the new government, they have decided to do everything possible to keep it out of the hands of the Taliban.
President Joe Biden just signed an executive order to share the money into two halves. One part would go to a trust fund to cater for humanitarian assistance in Afghanistan. While the other part would be used to compensate the families of the September 11 terrorist attack victims.
Do you think this plan is fair to the people of Afghanistan?
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