Topic: Is Putin at risk of being stopped by his own military Generals (Read 270 times)

^^^ And that is without tapping the wealth-in-the-ground of Siberia. You need people to work the wealth for you. Putin can easily promise the generals Siberia, and then back it up by getting their military people to work there... to keep them on his side.

No, I don't think so. Have you ever thought about how was Hitler able to avoid being assassinated? Think twice about this and also keep in mind that most of the attempts were made by Germans themselves rather than by Britain and USA.
There are some risks and rewards:
1. Smarter and more tactician people share the tyrant's ideology. If he dies, they may lead the path with better strategy and tactics.
2. Person's status may change from tyrant to martyr and it may strengthen the nations' "Ideology" to war.
3. It's beneficial for some people, inside and outside. The rich people only care about money and money is made in war. Some countries may watch the war between the two and even revive in order to use this as an opportunity, remember "Divide and rule" is a strategy.

Also, I want to note:
Russia doesn't work the way how western society thinks because our mentality and lifestyle are different from theirs. Propaganda is on another level in Russia and I have to mention it many times: People only live well in Moscow and Saint Peterburg, other areas are no different from developing/undeveloped countries. There is not demand on good quality of life, Europe and west is seen as evil, people think that they want bad for Russians, they want to kill Russians and these sanctions even further revive the fire in their heart.

According to Forbes, there were 117 billionaires in Russia last year, at the moment their number is 83. But these are just the "official" numbers. Don't you think that Billionaires play a major role in every country? They have enough money to fund protests, change the ideology of the society, and change things in their countries but somehow there was not even one billionaire that would change things in Russia. They knew the war and its costs but have you seen massive protests in Russia? Have you seen the government down in Russia? Did Putin's rating decline? No, because these billionaires are rich. They are rich because of Putin's regime and they are a part of it, without this, they will lose billions and their power.

There is a good system in Russia that makes it at the moment impossible to break, these Generals are not going to sacrifice themselves, especially when the society is hypnotized. Propaganda works not only in Russia but in the West, no one is Angel there but there is a difference of course.

Agree on all points. However, it is clear that regimes that offer a degree of freedom of speech and an independent judiciary branch offer at least a chance to challenge ideas and some counterbalances to the politicians. Typically, real democracies are far from perfect, but are certainly not at level with Putin. Why would Ukrainians fight if they thought they would be happy under Putin?

The problem is that Putin is furiously afraid for his life. And he suspects everyone, even his closest friends, of treason. Especially in today's situation, when an internal conflict between Putin, the security forces and the army leaders is ripe. He has a real paranoia, he is afraid of everyone, absolutely everyone! A good example - the other day they buried the main Kremlin propagandist clown Zhirinovsky. If you look at the report on Putin's farewell to him, you will notice how in front of Putin, near the coffin with Zhirinovsky, there was a guard of honor, but by the time Putin arrived, he was removed! The Kremlin guard, where there is a total selection, also scares him. Well, about the table - yes, this is already the whole world laughing

I would be guessing that the high number of casualties that Russia had caused Putin to fire these people instead of these people giving their resignation.

I am not sure if they were considering a resignation because they would have done that earlier on from the first days if that was the case, but Russia has been brutal when it comes to people who attack their nation and that seems to be the case here as well, the "attack" Ukraine did was trying to join Nato in their minds, imagine a world where a totally independent nation doing whatever they want which has nothing to do with you in a larger scale ends up being an attack.

So, these generals would have probably either quit on the spot which they wouldn't, or they were fired for a failed mission.

You do not quite imagine the scale and level of cynicism of the lies generated by Russia both for the whole world and within the framework of internal propaganda. If I start retelling now, you will consider me crazy or delusional, so I won’t retell But I highly recommend finding someone who knows Russian and can translate news feeds online on any Russian information channel, believe me, you will be sitting in armchair and try to understand what you just listened to Believe me, this is not the lie that you think, this is a TOTAL, ABSOLUTE LIE!

Is Putin at risk of being stopped by his own military Generals


Former KGB are behind Putin. Do the Generals stand a chance?

if the conventional war becomes to costly and impossible to win and decide (like 1945 in the pacific with usa and japan)

putin will nuke one ore more cities in ukraine just like usa did with japan.

ukranians are fanatics and their worshiping of their woke hitler zelinski is as insane as the germans worship of adolf hitler

regards

Zelenskky has fired generals as well: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-04-01/card/president-zelensky-fires-two-generals-cASwBg7pfy4FKlh2f25t

For the same reason you mention above, traitorous behavior. Doesn't seem likely to me that Putin's own officials would turn on him. What's more likely is that Russia is getting humiliated on the global scale and their military is losing thousands of troops by a country that was not well equipped to handle an invasion. He's firing them for their incompetence.

The very implication behind the words "Putin must be stopped" would be a third world war. Now, he has proven that his army is nothing to be feared. But he still has nuclear weapons that can end all life on earth. Sanctions are taking their toll and this can be seen quite nicely as Ukraine pushes Russia back to where they came.

I doubt Russia will be able to continue for very long. If anything they are probably building up one last wave of attacks before they run out of steam.

At least that is what I hope.

Imagine you’re a president yet you cannot trust anyone even your generals, I don’t know if the threat is real or not but its not good if you’re on a government where your own people can’t be trusted. We still see Putin in some interviews and I don’t think he is hiding, but if the news about generals are true I just hope that they are doing this for the people and not doing this for their own agenda. Putin must be stop, he’s a big threat for the life of ordinary people.

Without a doubt that is a possibility, however things could get way worse before things improve, the truth is this is nothing really new Stalin also did a great purge of generals he thought were unpatriotic on the years before the WW2, which is one of the several reasons why Germany got so close to defeat them during their first summer offensive.

So I would not be surprised if we see yet another purge in this era, however if Putin becomes paranoid and begins to fire, arrest or even execute a lot of is generals, whoever is left will think about them being the next one and they may plot against him and remove him from power.

Not really sure what this has anything to do with economics but I will try to give an answer anyway.

Theres a reason why Putin has been in hiding in his secret bunker or why he fired cooks or why he won't talk to anyone personally and when he does talk face to face with a select few people, then there is always a loooong table between him and whomever he is speaking to.

He does not trust anyone. Because he knows the amount of enemies he made in the world. I am sure his Generals want him dead too.

Due to the way Putin has isolated himself and is likely protected by a very select security team, while being kept in physically secure locations, it is unlikely that external visitors would have the ability to get close enough to take him out. There is no way anyone could arrest him, so that would be the only action available. He is at Hitler levels of paranoia and that probably plays a large part in why his advisors have been able to deceive him about how "successful" the war was during the first few weeks where the Russian army was being destroyed all over. His personal protection is likely quite effective and he has a huge entourage inspecting his safety on the very sporadic cases he is seen in public now, so it's unlikely any weapons can get close to him - it'd require one of those close protection officers, who have huge loyalty, to turn on him. These disgruntled staff members probably have little to back them up after they fall foul of the Kremlin.

I'm not defending Russia's politicians here, but those accusations could easily be leveled against my government, your government (wherever you are), and pretty much every government out there.  World leaders don't rise to power and remain there by telling the truth, because that isn't what people want to hear.  And there's a lot of secrecy within governmental powers as a matter of security, which is why no government is completely transparent.  So while Russia does indeed lie to the world and all of that, that isn't the main issue here.

The issue is the will of Putin to continue his aggression against Ukraine, and with respect to the topic of this thread I'd love it if there were an internal rebellion amongst his generals (or anyone else in Russia's military).  I just don't think that's going to happen--if it did, it would certainly be groundbreaking stuff.  Has that ever happened in Russia's history before?

I do hope that a coup will be staged in Russia. If the coup becomes successful, this would be great for Ukraine because it's, frankly, hard to find a worse leader of a neighboring empire right now. If it's not successful, it will still cause social internal unrest in Russia, and that will help divert Russia from the external war (let's keep in mind that Russia pulled out from WW1 because of the civil war). There are signs that there are different political ambitions between different people in Russia already (Girkin, Peskov, and Kadirov, to name a few). But it seems that there isn't enough pressure to overthrow a wildly supported and wildly paranoid leader yet.

What the Ukrainian government needs to do is immediately instigate the sacked general to stage a coup? and setting up troops behind the scenes? I'm not sure it can be realized that easily. However, nothing is impossible when the ceasefire agreement has not materialized until now. Does anyone know what the response of the generals who have been sacked will be and what is the attitude and support for Ukraine? I still don't know for sure either.

Do incitement as usual and prepare a Coup !!!!

So they are really up to regime change in Russia like Biden said. The strategy though only works for the Middle Eastern countries.

The more Russians are not suffering with no wheat and oil, they may even feel pity for the Ukrainians if they just put down their weapons and make a deal to.stop this war. There is no way they can win this, before all the rest of Ukraine end up a pile of ruble, wake Zelensky up to stop playing hero because it only works in social media.

Its Zelensky who needs to hide before  Ukrainians realized and wake up and tie him to send to Putin.

I think I read somewhere that there were Russian troops defecting and intentionally not following the orders of Putin, as they really realized the consequence of this war.

Unfortunately, lots of unnecessary bloodshed happened in the past weeks due to this far. Infrastructures were destroyed; residential areas are now unhabitable; and other medical facilities are absolutely desecrated. Not to mention, the economy and finances of Russia have been slowly deteriorating due to the recent pull-out of Western influences and businesses in their country. It is just about time that Putin's own army, generals, and military would turn agains him due to this massacre.

I just really hope that there may be some sort of agreement that can end this war.

In wars like this there will certainly come a point  where personal interest will surpass the collective aim of the country.  Following  the closeness of this two countries it won't  be surprising  to find Russian soldiers whose origin is of Ukraine and will want to secure the lives of their loved ones.

Gradually Putin is losing his safety because despite  how much he puts in place to monitor his generals he will not have an accurate  statistics of Ukrainian intels working  against  him in the Russian military

The news we are reading on social networks is just one-way information and certainly the communication channels of the two sides have been bribed. The truth will never be known, it's all just our speculation.
Russia will not stop until the goal is achieved while Ukraine constantly receives weapons aid from the West. Recent negotiations have almost broken down as the two sides continue to accuse each other, the war will definitely not end any time soon.

I don't think so. If generals were the only thing that was needed to stop Putin, pretty sure this war would've been over long ago. He's probably lost a lot, but maybe that's why we haven't seen any sort of possibility for this war to end because even with all the losses he got, he's still going at it pretty strong (in a bad way ofc). I honestly don't know if he's planning on fully achieving his goal or just trying to wait and see if he can recoup the losses that he got from the start till now (which is nigh impossible imo).

Putin's generals are looting and pillaging ukraine as they invade. Increasing their personal wealth, power and prosperity.

Being in a position of power and influence, they may also be accepting bribes from the united states, NATO and other parties. Which could explain some of the more bizarre and irrational moves the russian army has made. Digging trenches in radioactive chernobyl for one. Of course, they say never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. There isn't necessarily a conspiracy in place. Its simply the idle workings of my mind trying to assemble the puzzle pieces of what Zelensky did with the billions funneled to him by the USA.

None of the russian general have the influence and fame to directly challenge Putin, in my opinion. There isn't anyone famous enough, who the russian people adore enough to make that move.

And why would they want to challenge Putin when they can loot and pillage ukraine to increase their own personal wealth simply by following orders.

Firstly most of the Russians force fighting in Ukraine war are mercenary. Though there are some Chechen, VDV and some other Russians special force operator fighting in Ukraine but most of them are mercenary force from Wagner and other contractors. So this war is really costly for Russia. But main Russians force yet to be deployed so i think those lose can be tolerated.

Its not new for CIA to bribe Russian generals so it won't be a surprise if they try to overthrow Putin. I think they have already trying that but there is very little chance they will be succeed. Putin has a strong support from Russian people, at least data shows something like that.

I don't know, but the idiot is the one who thinks that you can enter a war and expect a quick profit.

As for losses, there are no accurate statistics and all sources of information come to us from non-neutral parties and from American intelligence, which may be misleading and untrue.

The reality now is that there is a war going on and people without fault are suffering, the focus should be to stop this war and start real peace negotiations without sending more troops from Russia or more weapons from the West.

The absence of a real desire for peace will mean the continuation of the meaning of acquittal for the longest possible period.

Is Putin at risk of being stopped by his own military general, in my opinion, if Putin has not appealed to discuss peace with Ukraine, it is most likely that the military general will take the decision, because there have been many casualties during the Russo-Ukrainian war, even 50% Ukrainian businesses closed completely, the remaining businesses today are small businesses.

I can't give an answer that Putin was stopped by his military general himself, but if we look at the history of the dispute between Russia and Ukraine, it is possible that the military will stop this war, because relations between the two countries that used to go well, the military has already no longer want to take the lives of their own brothers, very sorry for the selfishness of the leader causing many deaths.

If financial loss continues like this, then yes I am pretty sure there might be some internal pressure on putin to stop the war or either come to an agreement where they at least pull back for sometime.

Everyday the war continues the picture and Putin's intentions are changing whenever I discuss this with my friends. Everyone has different views. I mean look at the Ukraine right now, its just barren land now and there is nothing elft.

Even if Putin gets hold of Ukraine he will have to:

1) Pay for the entire infrastructure in the Ukraine
2) Re-build the whole system
3) Convince left over Ukrainians and also Russian's to move towards Ukraine if they wanna live their. (Highly doubt they will step in there).
4) He will have to recover the war losses.

As from the past wars, we know very well each and every nation had to start over. But anyways they never learn.

To answer the question of if Putin is at risk by his own military generals we should learn about the history and the other similar people like Putin who were in the same situation, since he usually doesn't listen to his people and does not pay attention to what they need and instead he always try to act like a bully, also he doesn't consider the economic situation of this people even if they have nothing to eat, there are many people who are against him and we cannot surprize if of them these people who are against him is one of the military generals and tries to get the control of the government by coup d'état against him.

Putin need to understand that this live has to be taken with ease, even the giant do fall atimes and i see a nearest future whereby the government in Russia may end up on a coup, whereby the government will be taken off the shoulder of Putin because we have it in the past history, looking into the story of Mohammed Gadaffi is worth giving a practical lesson alone. Am rest assured this war will landed in an ugly part on Putin than he had expected sooner.

One of the key problems of Russia is total lies and theft! They lie to the world community, they lie to their population, they lie to the president, the president lies to the population. For us, this turned out to be a positive factor - the lie about "the second most powerful army in the world" played into our hands, and, of course, the support of the world community. Putin wanted to hear beautiful "tales" about the "great and invincible army of Russia" - they were given to him, in return they received multibillion-dollar budgets that were stolen. The result was an under-army, at best marauders and murderers, but not warriors. And now the process has begun - the search for the guilty. Putin blames the generals, they transfer the blame to each other .. Someone says - we warned (and there were those who warned about the risks of unleashing a war against Ukraine), you did not listen to us ...

] Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukraine’s security council, said 'eight Russian commanders have been fired since the start of the conflict amid heavy losses on the battlefield'.  one of which is General Roman Gavrilov, 45, the Duputy head of National Guard Unit who has suffered major losses in Ukraine is canned amid claims he 'leaked information that led to loss of life's and 'squandered fuel'.

I think this is the first of many unpatriotic acts that we will expect from Putin's own generals because frankly, this war is costing them a lot of money and the average Russian soldier doesn’t believe they are on some weird quest for the Holy Grail in Ukraine.
what are your thoughts on this?