Topic: Is Putin Threatening or Serious (Read 475 times)

ukranian regime must be put to justice they tortured parts of their population for years and decades. the joke of all this is that the western elite is delegitimising themselves by siding with zelinski

Say theymos, I have the feeling that you underestimated Vladimir Putin...
And interestingly, not only did he unite NATO, its even bringing traditionally neutral countries like the Swiss!
There is a world outrage going on... In some cases, the people are pushing their politicians to act.

Bitcoin is being used for Ukraine, while Putin wanted to ban it in Russia and force miners to sell it all to their central bank. Now the ruble is going the way fiat money always goes.

I guess you were correct in that "conquest before he goes" thing... But look what he has done now. Belarus is actually shooting medium range missiles against Ukraine, and the armed forces are trying to encircle Kyiv. Meanwhile, Putin removed his Chief of the General Staff, was he angry from the current situation? Did they underestimate the Ukranian resistance and thought they would be walking in a park or something?

Unfortunately like you predicted, there is a lot of blood (and fire), even Russian soldiers who were told they were doing a military exercise... Conquest indeed.

Yeah, it seems that Putin severely miscalculated. Everything has gone so poorly for Russia that I have to wonder if Putin is going senile or otherwise having real mental issues. If he actually thought that Ukrainians would welcome him with open arms, then he was really out of touch.

I was completely wrong about this whole thing:
 - I thought that US intelligence was making a big fuss about ~nothing because they've wrongly cried wolf many times in the past, but this time they were right.
 - I thought that Putin wouldn't invade and would be more likely to be playing mind games because he has a history of doing smart things and messing with the West, but I was shocked (even more shocked than I thought I'd be) when he actually went for a Kyiv decapitation strike.
 - Because Russia so obviously outmatches Ukraine and there's really no excuse for them failing, I thought they'd take Kyiv within 24 hours if they decided to do so.
 - The West has a history of putting short-term profit before ideals, so I thought they'd do the minimum reaction they could get away with without looking completely weak, but they actually did some pretty severe sanctions, and they've been investing substantially in defending Ukraine. I was especially surprised by the central bank sanctions and the anti-Russian actions by Turkey and Hungary.

I still think that there's no way Zelenskyy can stay in power for long if Russia stays committed to getting rid of him by any means, but my record is terrible, so who knows.

It seems that I was right. Putin ended up invading, while expecting to only need 3 days worth of supplies for his troops. He expected Kiev to fall within 1-2 days, and be greeted with open arms as a liberator. Obviously none of that ended up being the case, and now Putin is at risk of facing defeat.

 Now that we face the fact, after the attacks. and hearing the Russian version (Putin's speech) of this crisis,
 I thought there must be a lot of Ukrainian users here on the forum, so I think it must be very interesting and important to hear their own opinions, about the crisis, the invasion, the Russian allegations on the Ukrainian government...

 I am aware and respect if they may have some reserves lest their words may be taken and misdirected.. but their opinion is now the best input that can come and is the key to having a good understanding of what is happening !

Based on mobilising 75% of Russia's army on Ukraine and all the military actions, he is getting pretty seriously mad.

According to the news and his situation and what is doing is front of us.
I think he is little bit seriouse. There for he is attacking.
By the way they are talking. Let see what will happen?

Fvcknn Putin, imagine the innocent like at this, please pray for them if you can. In whatever you can support to put an end to this invasion please do, the world deserves peace.
I see Putin and Russians have been hungry for world power, Russian isn't more of the target here but the United States.

I don't see the United States throwing in agression already,I think it's too early, this is not what I expected.
Hopefully everything gets better.

Forget the market by now it can recover in a matter of time, the lives of those innocent civilians matters the most. I do hope this wouldn't be a full blown one, looks like it's getting serious but at the end we all just want peace.

Article name says it all.  Source to show-page with links and vid hosting platform options:

  You Are Being Played With The Ukraine Narrative
  https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/you-are-being-played-with-ukraine-narrative/

I couldn't foresee the possibility of a full scale invasion up until Putin's recent hour long speech a day or so ago, no clue why NATO or someone didn't start doing something more then, seems like Russia & Belarus are coming right in.. but it's cool, Biden & NATO are gonna get some of their peeps on those sanctions any day now, while Ukrainians fight off the Russian military.

Didn't expect a full scale invasion with military action. Thought Donetsk and Luhansk were easy targets, little to no resistance by Ukraine and perhaps Putin would stop at that. Apparently not.  Zelensky put out a message stating the Ukrainian military would be on defense, but there is no point - Russia's military is too strong. Putin is unhinged.

And it has begun.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/russia-attacks-ukraine-news-vladimir-putin-zelenskiy-russian-invasion

Ukraine is now under martial law.

Sounds a lot like how the US brought so much democracy to the Middle East. They brought so much of it, democracy is now coming out of Iraq and Libya's nostrils.

They wanted to bring their awesomeness to Syria too but somehow Assad managed to escape it.

Anyway, if the US is still a super power, now here is their chance to show the world.

Not exactly sure, Putin isn't the most sane man on earth either. I'm pretty sure we'll have another Crimea situation (2014), after the latest news, I'm becoming more and more confident that he will invade, occupying territories (such as Donetsk and Luhansk, which he supposedly recognized as independent territories).

We're definitely walking on a thin line, one wrong move, and we're certainly going to witness another war.

I also thought he wouldn't dare to attack, but what he's doing is and isn't an attack at the same time. He doesn't want it to be an invasion, he wants it to be a game.
1. Puts soldiers on the borderline
2. Distracts the West by sending fake migrants to Belarus so they'd attack the border with Poland and attract the media
3. Starts peace talks with the West claiming he just wants to liberate people who want to be a part of Russia
4. Breaks the peace talks saying that for him to discuss anything Ukraine would have to return all US made weapons (impossible to do and he knows it)
5. Makes a provocation by detonating some artillery shells in Donetsk
6. Evacuates people from attacked area claiming there's a place for them in Russia, then abandons them. The evacuated citizens are forced to go back to Ukraine or face cold and starvation.
7. Signs a decree that Donetsk and Luhansk are now autonomies recognized by Russia
8. Moves in "peacekeeping forces" to the area claiming he only wants to stabilize the territory so no other fights take place
9. Claims Rissia doesn't want to annex the area (but if an autonomous region decides it wants to be a part of Russia he won't oppose)


Remember people, next time the Red Army Russian Army moves into your country, it's to keep the peace and help you. Pretty much like they helped Poland and Finland in 1939

Ya, I take it back.. Putin crazy. I'm now at like 40/60 he won't do anything major.. I'd anticipate a swift attack from UK, led by Boris himself. Nip it in the bud! 

   .. seriously, I think things are gonna get crazy. 

They are just playing games. Putin is many things, but obviously not an idiot.

^ I doubt Russia would do something, they are just on the boarders because of the threat created by the media.  

But if Ukraine vs Belarus starts, it will be a regime change to Belarus. Ukraine regime change already happened in 2014 which made Putin very cautious to this contested region.

This media commotions is serves Ukraine a bargaining chip for EU countries follow orders from whitehouse. Germany couldn't exercise their sovereignhty and will just cry sulking when whitehouse says Nordstream should be shutdown. Making EU still dependent to US gas.

IMHO there's a good chance Russia will do something, we're just not sure how large the operation would be. Maybe they'll just slowly nibble at Ukraine's toes. Get some good spots, just small enough to not get a severe response from NATO. Then cool-down a bit before the next operation. I believe Crimea would be the last "large" operation. Capturing it has already given Russia a good strategic advantage. It can actually stop now if it wants to.


Haven't kept up with the news but is the Ukaraine-Belarus relationship also strained? All I hear of Belarus in the news is that it's president (more like dictator) is flooding the EU with "immigrants" through Poland's border. Maybe if Russia instigate a false flag attack to start a war between Belarus and Ukraine, it'll keep it as a proxy war? Russia heading right towards Kiev is an invitation for NATO to also step in militarily.

I was quite sure from the very beginning  that this conflict will end peacefully without firing a single bullet because war between two major world powers is out of question in the context of Nuclear weapons both of them are carrying. I am not in favor of Nuclear weapons but lesson of history after WW2 is that  Nuclear deterrent has successfully prevented major war between the big world powers.  

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/europe/top-stories/russia-says-it-s-begun-partial-troop-pullback-from-ukraine-border-nato-urges-caution/ar-AATSqpA?ocid=msedgntp

News gotten from BBC news states that, Russia are withdrawing back them troops from Ukraine borders.
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1493510906667544580?t=owR4IPyxQL5aDPHATVhm_w&s=19

Should we trust Vlad Putin ?

He will go in, seize most of Eastern Ukraine, establish permanent military bases, and then he will 'negotiate'.

He wants land access to Crimea and Moldova.  

He knows that the western countries will not go to war as they have already signaled that by removing their diplomatic staff,
instead of sending 100-200K NATO army to Eastern Ukraine.

So he effectively got a green light from the likes of Biden.

The whole world will complain, but then they will say: "Ok, Putin, we gave you Ukraine, but that is it", lol.

We all know how "XXX and that is it" ended in 1938.  Same shit, different actors.

Americans think that imposing economic sanctions on Russia will make Putin less popular.

They don't understand the Russian psyche. Sanctions will have the opposite effect.  Hardliners will gain popularity.

Russians are very resilient and economic sanctions will push them further away from the West and democratic principles.

The only thing that would work to stop Putin is large NATO deployment to the Russian border. 

Everything else is just pissing in the wind.

I don't see what he has to gain from bluffing just to threaten Ukraine.  It seems obvious that he is not only serious, but doesn't care much what other countries think about it.  His latest talks about how NATO is going to be pulled into a war make it seem like he's willing to deal with whatever financial fallout comes from doing what he feels is needed to secure his nation.  Given that by threatening he only strengthens the opposition's position, I don't think he would do this unless he was not only serious, but action was imminent.  I don't think we'll be seeing World War III from this, but I do think an invasion and the loss of life is going to happen.  Hopefully it is quick and done with as little harm to civilians as possible.  I think that's the best we can hope for at this point.

Have been contemplating their main aim when they accepted Bitcoin.
Could be that they don't have enough funds for the war, that's why they have accepted Bitcoin.
The US president Joe Biden should show his support alongside other European leaders to show their various support for Ukraine.
This is the best chance to stand for them, in the time of dispute and trials.

In my opinion, Putin is much smarter than that. He will not risk Russia's entry into a war of unknown results. Nor will he bring NATO to its borders under the pretext of protecting Ukraine. He also will not make Russia appear to the world as an enemy occupying the land of its neighbors. Putin is an expert intelligence man who certainly knows that the negative consequences of an invasion Ukraine's military is much greater than the possible positive outcomes, so I think he plays this dangerous game very carefully in order to get the political gains he wants from the United States and NATO, this game is just a game of political intelligence and I don't expect there to be a real military attack.

Putin has better judgment in his situation of course he knows war is a lose-lose situation for all. The leaders know it's not the US troops that will combat against Russia. But sure the US will want to provide lots of weapons and ammo for Ukraine and other countries who would want to join. But the fact that the surrounding countries are also scared of Russia and Belarus military, it's going to be just a stalemate situation.

Believe it or not, a leader of a country, wouldn't be a leader if they are a mad man. But only those who want war at all cost which we know Putin doesn't want war. China didn't want war either over Taiwan. But their goal COULD BE to subdue thier enemy without war.

It really depends on how much resistance that Putin thinks Ukraine will put up in an invasion. If Putin believes that Ukraine will act similarly to the Afghanistan military last summer, he is likely to invade, especially if he believes that Germany will not abandon the Nordstream 2 pipeline. If however he believes that Ukraine will put up a decent fight, he may not want to risk heavy losses and the potential for a domestic uprising in response to said losses.

Another factor is likely to be what he perceives to be Biden's resolve to actually take any military action if Ukraine is invaded. Just last year, Biden intentionally lost a war that all we needed to do in order to win was commit a nominal amount of troops and resources. Biden is also historically weak.

Before making the decision to invade, Putin is likely to try to get major concessions from NATO that would weaken NATO.

Putin wants to see Russia reunited with former USSR countries, and Ukraine is the first step in achieving that.

War absolutely will not support the US economy. It will only increase supply chain issues, increase inflation, sink stock markets, and be a massive expense. What we sell in military equipment will not offset those other costs.

Russia is in a lose lose situation if they invade. Their military is not remotely comparable to Nato and sanctions would be sever. Putin is a mad dictator but he’s also no fool, and as an elite trained soldier who knows when he’s out gunned,

I think he'll attempt to do something but not immediately go for Kiev. I'm thinking a repeat of Crimea. Grab a piece of land, watch the "international community" rant about it while doing nothing. Rinse. Repeat. I think a prime target is that area that's supplying Crimea with water. Ukraine has cut off the supply. Maybe Russia can move into the side nearer Crimea and then just extend across the river at a later time.

War will support the US economy for sure. That's a business.

Zelensky assured the people there will be no war actually but there is a doubt in his mind which he wants Putin to also reassure will not go forward. This could be because Putin had supported the independence of the Donbas region which is ruled by the rebels.  This entire misinformation relies mostly on Zelensky, so this guy is playing fire as to which of the two will give Ukraine a good promise.

Russia wants Ukraine not to join NATO and although US has nothing to do with the conflict for the region that causes this conflict, Ukraine brings the notion to join NATO. It's all up to Zelensky, he could either burn his nation or not.

If only those people who love peace will decide what's gonna happen in this conflict, there would be no casualties and they will choose to resolve this one as soon as possible to avoid any more damage. But they always choose to take advantage of what is about to happen because they will get some huge benefits from it if the war will broke out between these two countries and we know who will get benefit from this.

Probably the biggest reason why not too much Western effort was put into Crimea was 'and then what'.  The population was overwhelmingly pro-Russian so it would have been a bitch and very ugly to do much with it.  While the sentiment of the Crimeans was heavily shaped by population shifts and ethnic cleansing operations under the Soviets, it's kind of an 'is what it is' scenario.

It's important to note that there is not one unified Ukraine with 'pure-blood Ukrainians' up to the border.  Operations such as the Holodomor whittled down the 'native' population and forced immigration filled in in some areas enough to where they can and are maintaining autonomous control of large swaths of the country.  And if they didn't, they would probably be subject to fairly extreme atrocities by the western-backed 'Ukrainians'.

Since the Soviet population engineering (a common characteristic of Communist rule) happened generations ago, there are plenty of people who are mixed culturally, genetically, and philosophically.  Most people on both sides fear what would happen to them personally if the other side got the upper hand, and rightly so I suspect.

Interestingly, some of the Russian-speaking Ukrainians I know have a pretty strong negative feeling about the Soviet Union, and it certainly has spilled over to Russia more generally.  They seem to not trust or like anyone, and that even applies to they who are 'Jews' and their feelings toward Israel in some cases.  I think that that is exactly the correct mindset to have.  For anyone.  Few if any 'leaderships' see any population as anything more than a tool.

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I would council anyone who thinks that the WEF's 'great reset' plan sounds like the way to go to be prepared for the basic Soviet tactics to be employed until there are only about 1-in-10 people left.  That will be 'sustainable'.  People who think they can be in that 10% have at least a logical (if very evil) reason to support them.  People who have not made that calculation are simply grist for the mill.

I see they've been taking military drills at Belerus in preparation for this, thinking about this alone hurts me badly.
I hope this are not taken seriously as it seems because will result to something else, what has the United States done about this ?
I see why Russian government wants to start the war, with the current state of inflation in the world, they have invested in Bitcoin to get enough finance for this, that's not even the case they should let go of old myths and move on!
The world deserves peace ✌️

He is serious, this isn't a bluff. Putin didn't get much resistance from the international community when Crimea was annexed. Merely some harsh words. He has the green light from the west, and oil control of plenty European countries.

As harsh as it may sound, no one in the international community cares enough about Ukraine to help defend them. I put the chance at invasion at more than likely. At first it seemed as if Putin was putting pressure on Ukraine to make concessions and ease off of joining NATO -- who knows, maybe they might be able to resolve things diplomatically, but don't count on Ukraine caving in to demands.

Putin seems to be one of the WEF's 'Global Leaders for Tomorrow' people along with the likes of Merkel, Gates, Orban, Sarkozy, Blair, etc.  The school did a re-brand in 2004-ish as Young Global Leaders where you start to see Trudeau(Castro), Arden, Zuckerberg, Gabbard, Crenshaw, etc.

WEF seems to have, as a strong enough item of importance to crow about in their media, the notion of 'toppling' of the U.S..  A major war which the U.S. lost decisively would probably do the trick (although I would argue that it wouldn't even take that and/or that it's already been accomplished in a quiet way which left a facade; a significant military capability under direction of a globalist super-state.)

Putin seems to also be somewhat under control of the Kabbalahistic Sabbatean branch of Judaism who were instrumental in inserting Trump for his little gig.  The relationship between this group and the WEF crowd is not yet very clear to me.  My best guess is that the Sabbateans are the money people and they provide that (necessary) service to the WEF because they plan to ultimately appropriate what the WEF has built.

I don't think Putin does have a plan to invade because he had been saying clearly in the media that he has no plans. That would mean he lied to his men if he really does.
If you listen to both sides of the media like how we read the scam accusation in the forum, you will see how different the media are saying from Germany, France, Russia, and the US.

We have been hearing through US media Ukraine invasion will happen any moment for weeks but none has lifted a finger. That's because Russian troops are more than a hundred miles away from thier borders and conducting a military exercise with Belarus troops planning to protect thier borders from NATO expansion.

But there's no evidence for it!
https://youtu.be/d4PbCiHOtR8

I'm more of a 60/40 that he won't do anything major, my doubt comes mainly from the age & achieving a conquest stuff.. but a heavy-handed assault would definitely be a bad move for Russia, so I'm hopeful for a more peaceful resolution, just not sure about the mental stability of Putin and what he might see as the smart move. No matter what level the aggression, if any, another country would likely be blamed.. I'm not sure who though.

I'm like 70/30 on the side that Putin will not do a major invasion. The costs are just too high for Russia. He'll probably do something, but it'll probably be something that won't be clear enough to unify all NATO members. Something like sending only medical units into the Donbas to provide humanitarian aid. I think that this whole thing is most likely to be more of a mind game against NATO than anything.

But I'm far from certain of that. I could also see Putin wanting to really cement his place in Russian history before he dies by trying to achieve a conquest the likes of which the world hasn't seen in a long time. In my very-inexpert opinion, a likely path here would be a false flag attack which makes it look like Ukraine is attacking Belarus, which can then be used as an excuse to engage in a decapitation strike against Kyiv in order to protect Russia's ally.

My heart goes out to all of the innocent people put in danger for the sake of this stupid geopolitical game.

With the current intelligence report that Russia is considering surrounding and invading Kyiv at any time, bomb shelters that were built during the Cold War by Russia are being reopened and refurbished. Although Kremlin has denied it, calling it a US anti-Russian Propaganda.

Many countries ( Netherland, Germany, Jordan, US, Slovakia) including Russia are directly or indirectly calling on their nationals to leave Ukraine. Even the UK government had advised its nationals to leave Ukraine by any possible means and should not expect a military evacuation.

US President has warned Russia that an invasion of Ukraine will lead to decisive and severe cost. But, Russia has accused Washington and Brussels of ignoring Russia key demands which the West has seen as non- starters.

Russia military exercises are taking place in various strategic places. Ukrainian security agents are holding drills to make them prepared and effective in case of an invasion. Millions of Ukrainians are living in fear of the unknown.

Do you think Putin is serious or threatening Ukraine with war?