Topic: Is "Scam accusation" board utilizing effectively? (Read 349 times)

I am of the opinion that if it is scam bursting and crypto related, since it's not causing harm to the community it shouldn't be discouraged.
Scammers have related strategies, once bursted here can be related to others not in the community, then that particular strategy and its likes would be defeated.

You have the investigation board for that, but guess what the board itself won't do any investigation on its own.


The purpose of that board is for poeple to formulate scam accusations against somebody, when you open a topic about a fake mining gear seller and defying your logic that every bitcointalk user is used to this you have post after post of poeple who got scammed and fortunately enough also poeple who were one step away from getting scammed by that I think you should really change the impression you have both on the average user and both on what effectively means.

Board really serves a purpose, your problem is that you think there should only be scams related to forum users. If you think that every other scam report is unnecessary and should be removed from that board, start using the report to moderator button, or contact the admin directly (Cyrus) and ask him to change the rules of that board.


If you don't want to give specific examples, you haven't helped anyone understand what threads exactly are bothering you. There are a lot of other boards that make far less sense than Scam accusations, but I haven’t yet experienced some board being completely removed because someone thinks we don’t need it.

How much sense does this board have?

It might be difficult to get a survey done but if possible I am sure the last statement is going to be proven wrong. As far as I know, many bounty hunters check these sections for possible scams in the projects they are promoting and in general many logged-out users on search engines end up on the thread if named properly.

Agreed that the marketplace trust system has evolved a lot, but scams have evolved too. Today we dont see PM scammers we see telegram scammers and these too need to be reported some way, otherwise people dont become careful.

I seriously have no idea, I check that section every other day and usually find the topics useful for newbies. You might not get a chance to comment on any but they are not useless.

What are you expecting? Only scam should post which already happen? This isn't court where you can't say scammer anyone before proving them. Here is the board for open discussion about the scam and possible scams. You may propose to change the scam accusation board name to the "Possible Scam Accusation" board.

You already answered it by finding two scam accusations of a forum user. How isn't helping that? The scammer hasn't been labeling from there which are reflected over the forum?

It doesn't matter what you believe, it's your belief. I haven't found anything yet on the forum rules or guidelines to posting scam accusations.

If you say users post most of the accusations for getting merits and fill the weekly quota for the signature campaign, then I would agree with you. Then I and you posting here to fill the weekly quota, we can't ignore the truth, I am not excluding me. But giving merit it's up to users. If someone thinks posters deserve since they take effort to research and make the post then they could merit the post. If you want to say posts are worthless then I won't agree with you anyway.


Have you seen any project Telegram where investors ask a question about scam allegations of the forum although they haven't been promoting on the forum? If I can remember correctly then definitely I have seen. Do you know the cryptocurrency community how to evaluate the forum scam accusation? Sometimes the scam project caught this way.

While this forum specifically doesn't moderate scams, at least all the scam reviews on the board are more informative than any other review sites out there which tend to have no new user limits and too many shills.

What people reading service reviews want is to make sure that the reviewers are legit and accurate. Luckily this is a discussion forum where scam reviews can be explained in detail with pictures, quotes, and external links. Of course, I think it is necessary, helpful and effective.


If scam is perpetrated by forum users, can't you see their case through their trust score?

It's not about ignoring & getting rid of the shits. It's all about the usage of the board as I have clearly stated in the title "Effectively". If the board doesn't serve its purpose, where's the necessity of having it either?
In the first 2 pages, I got 2 threads on scam accusations of the forum user. How the board is helping us to identify forum scammers? It's not even possible to find out a thread where there's a forum scam accusation existed. I believe this board was mainly created to post the on forum scam accusation though over the years it has turned into crap like this. I don't want to mention what are the craps; I believe most of you know which threads I'm talking about.

A simple solution for OP, just to ignore the board since you feel that scam accusation is filled by shit. I am not supporting creating multiple threads for the same things. But please other board and you would discover many similar & repeat topics. It's actually unstoppable at all. We can post all Elon scams in a single thread actually. But often we create a new one, this would be pointless. But not all the threads are useless at all either it's promoting on the forum or not as long as it's related to cryptocurrency.

I have not much point to show you benefits for the forum users from the scam accusation board. Besides search engines reflection, there is another benefit. Imagine a scam ICO with the fake team and plagiarised whitepaper around the internet, but they aren't promoting on the forum. We know besides bounty spammers, a few investors around the forum and that investors somehow noticed that scam project from other social media and intend to invest. All the investors aren't experts to detect fake teams and plagiarism as well. So in case if that investors discover this scam from the scam accusation board, will he be benefited or not? What do you think?

Do you believe no investors in the forum besides bounty spammers? If you believe no cryptocurrency investors in the forum then you are right, the scam accusation board is useless then. I don't know about you, but once a time I followed the scam accusation board when I was an ICO investor even though I wasn't a forum user. I used the forum search button before choosing a project. So it was helpful for me definitely.

If scam accusation boards can save funds from single cryptocurrency users, then it won't useless. No matter either forum users or not. There are many lessons that would help us prevent scams in the future.

Bitcointalk.org has a very high domain authority, so everything that is written here, search engines must take into account. if it happens to a beginner u^{nfortunately, many of them do not even do any pre-investment checks}, to actually do a check and research before investing it is very likely that they will get some results from this forum. It is one of the strengths of the forum itself.

I have thought many times about a site dedicated to all kinds of scams, but it requires too much time and work. too much for volunteer work and very difficult for monetization ^{who wants to promote themselves among the scam}

I certainly understand what the OP wanted to emphasize, and I support any initiative to put this in order a bit. at this rate, we have a ton of information so it is logical that they seem useless.
For example, most of which I find I put into [url+https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201588]one thread[/url], rather than 540+ separate topics for each shity website I find

I am not a frequent visitor of the scam accusations board but I wouldn't vote for getting rid of anything there. Sure, it might sometimes be repetitive, but since the forum has a "we don't moderate scams" policy, I would support any threads and boards where people are made aware of them. 

There are still way to many people who believe that Elon will send them 2 BTC if they send him 1.

Few people do unfortunately.

I think you are guided by the idea of "forum does not moderate scam", so why should forum users protect themselves and others from scams? I'm sure your thinking is shared by all scammers who would be very happy if that board didn't exist (I'm not implying that you're one of them), but I'm pretty sure it will never happen.


If that board seems boring to you, don't visit it or ignore it, you wouldn't believe how simple it is

And that is the issue. We all know 1xbit is a scam.
Just about everyone here on the forum knows they are a scam.

There were people who have been on the forum for a while who were still scammed by them and people from all the over internet are still being scammed.
No matter how many scam reports there are here.
BUT....
The hands off 'we don't moderate scams' attitude may make the mods / theymos life easier.
It may even make certain other parts of running this forum easier if it comes to defending it in a legal setting.
SO...
This means that in one section there are pages of people saying they got ripped off by them.
In another there are pages saying they are a good casino.

So yeah, this means that those scam reports are worthless to a certain extent.

As for the tokens / altcoins / telegram giveaways / etc.
Yeah, short of nuking them all there is nothing that is going to change since everyone wants some of that magic free internet money.

-Dave

Is it safe to assume that no one from the Bitcointalk community has benefited from the uncovered scam sites and bogus airdrop threads? I'm not sure, but during the few times I was active on that board, I exposed a lot of scam and phishing sites, which was helpful at the time. I also received messages from random users asking for more explanations. It may not be useful to you, but there are a lot of crypto newbies out there who could use it.



No scam exposed thread is useless its serves a great purpose.

Unless the scam is being promoted on Bitcointalk, I think it's pointless to warn people here against random site X. People who visit the scam site through external links won't see the warning, and people who see the warning weren't going to visit the site in the first place.

There are thousands if not millions of scams outside Bitcointalk, and only 36 topics on the first page of Scam Accusations. Let's make those 36 count!

Maybe I have lower expectations from people who fall for obvious scams. I always assume the obvious victims are blinded by greed and lose all common sense. I just assume "bounties" are spamming scammers and stay away from them.
Rhetorical: Should we be creating topics for search engines, instead of for people?

Most of them probably haven't done any/enough research ^{[bitcointalk isn't the only forum/platform that warns users about such scams]}.

Depending on "a few things", results may vary from person to person...

• I've got the following results while using the incognito mode in Chrome: Video link

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@RapTarX
If any of those threads save a single person from getting scammed, they've served their purpose!

That amount doesn't quite account for majority here on the forum. Many of the active users here would have come across a post or two about telegram scams and not replying to unsolicited messages, but there would always be users who would still fall for it.
I also added that it would be useful to put the warning out there as it could still save users who are oblivious.

If people won't post these stuff on the scam accusation board, then what should be actually required on that thread ? If any airdrop/ bounty site scam you, it is good that you post it there so others are save at least.
You can argue that people post there in order to get merits but then whats wrong in giving merit to those who have found something which is benefit for the community.

Are you serious? Is this topic useless?
In this case, you allow all sorts of scam announcements, which have been multiplying for some time and have attracted investors. But only thanks to this topic, many scammers were exposed. Scam projects are afraid to declare themselves on the forum, since the creators, changing their tactics, were caught several times. And today I meet less and less what happened here a few years ago.
A simple suggestion for you, if something annoys you, or you don't like it, there is an "ignore" button.

Certainly people can save themselves with such threads like a Google search made related to that airdrop will give that scam accusations threads as a result, maybe a childboard can solve the issue you are talking about but taking down airdrop scam threads will encourage scammers to do it more.

That is false. As you can see, time and time again, people regularly get duped by impostors on Telegram.

I would vote to get rid of the "I was messaged on telegram by so and so scammer" or "YouTube giveaway scam", posts as they are generic, they could however be useful in warning newbies of the tactics used by Internet scammers. Most people on here would be pretty used to such scam techniques, but it doesn't hurt to put it out there every once in a while. So, maybe I wouldn't vote for that either.

There's no info on the scam accusation board so no one can determine what fits there or what doesn't, it just needs to be related to a scam and should ideally follow the reporting format which is stickied on that board.

Hopefully that's true, though I've seen plenty of scam accusations opened by brand new members who obviously did not see any warning signs originating from bitcointalk before they got scammed by [pick your choice of project/exchange/business] that had numerous threads dedicated to them being scammers. 

I even checked what the search results pulled up for "1xbit" and IIRC all of the top results were links to the site itself or positive reviews and so forth.  There weren't any red flags that showed up in at least the first two pages of search results.

Part of me agrees with OP that the Scam Accusation section really ought to focus on scams involving the forum, whether it's between members or concerning a project with a presence on bitcointalk that's scammed people (like bounty hunters, for instance).  But the other part of me does agree with JeromeTash that accusations against crypto-related scammers do serve a useful function not only to our community but the crypto community as a whole (though I have my doubts as to the effectiveness concerning the latter).

What is wrong with warning people about a certain airdrop or phishing scam?

You think it's only Bitcointalk users who benefit from the warnings?
You are wrong. Even guest users who have never registered in the forum can see the warnings if they tried to use the search engines.

Any person who tries to carry out due diligence benefits. It doesn't have to benefit only you.

That's what you think.

If the thread are started by the same user for different finds then he should be advised to update them all in just one thread for example ^{[update list of airdrop scam]} because I think one thread already represents all of them without having to create a different thread each time he catches it. Basically the airdrop will only benefit cheaters and shitcoin owners without too much impact on the community. There's no benefit to the topic opener although sometimes he also has the opportunity to earn merit.

That means there are no scams regarding/towards forum users that needs attention of DTs or the community which is actually good.

If you want more drama towards forum users, check reputation boards

Most threads on scam accusation boards is tend to help newbies to avoid getting scammed in the future, and have knowledge on different kind of scammed sites/user's experience/schemes etc. Threads might be repetitive but it helps a lot, maybe not for bitcointalk users but anyone who search in google as those threads will show up on google pages, so don't assume that it helps no one.

Most of the times, all I can see "Scam accusation" is full of X airdrop scam, X coin fake airdrop scam, X coin phishing scam. I don't know; maybe I'm the only one to getting board on this. I don't see any scam accusation which needs the attention of bitcointalk community. In my opinion, most are same repetitive all the time & helps no single bitcointalk user.
If I'm correct on the above statement, can someone point out where's the need of creating such threads? If I'm nlt correct, please point out who are getting benefitted from that threads?
This is not a personal attack. I have been noticing this for a quite long time and I realized that such kinda threads really help no one.