Is Sec regulation making the Bull market slower?

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Quote from: justdimin on December 14, 2019, 01:10:59 PM

Regulations that only affect one nation (even tho it is as big as USA) doesn't affect us, it affects the whales. Do you really think the guy with 1000 dollars in bitcoin cares about the regulations, no he doesn't and considering there are few whales and even fewer in USA that means we are talking about a very very very small minority here with SEC. So I feel like SEC has nothing to do with bull being slower.

You know what is causing the bull to be more rare and happens very slowly? The drops that after the bull run. So far anytime bitcoin went up, it plummeted back to very low numbers which is why when bitcoin is going up people are afraid of keep buying and they try to either hold or sell when it goes too much high because they know it may go down very fast if they end up holding a bag.

Your comment really has a certain meaning, but I think that in a specific situation, everything that happens on the cryptocurrency market has a vicious circle, because all participants in the process influence each other. I agree that regulators can not affect a simple cryptocurrency user who has Bitcoin worth several thousand dollars, but at the same time, large whales can suffer from the actions of these structures. because of this, large whales take certain measures, which affects the state of the cryptocurrency market, and the consequences of this situation on the cryptocurrency market affect a simple cryptocurrency user with a small amount of crypto currency funds.

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Quote from: justdimin on December 14, 2019, 01:10:59 PM

Regulations that only affect one nation (even tho it is as big as USA) doesn't affect us, it affects the whales. Do you really think the guy with 1000 dollars in bitcoin cares about the regulations, no he doesn't and considering there are few whales and even fewer in USA that means we are talking about a very very very small minority here with SEC. So I feel like SEC has nothing to do with bull being slower.

You know what is causing the bull to be more rare and happens very slowly? The drops that after the bull run. So far anytime bitcoin went up, it plummeted back to very low numbers which is why when bitcoin is going up people are afraid of keep buying and they try to either hold or sell when it goes too much high because they know it may go down very fast if they end up holding a bag.

but the impact itself are worldwide.

everybody know that the market will always respond to any events occured involving bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a whole that is the fact , but what happened right now to the market is no longer belong to SEC event impact it has been long time since then.
the rules has been applied and if you see this is as a long term market respond i will say it is completely bullshit.

just because those regulations is officially activated doesn't mean it makes the bitcoin project disturbed in a bigger scale.
we can still see a lot of projects presented even more thesedays.
the answer is no. not sec impact.

SEC make many crypto world become down because they have bad regulation for bitcoin and altcoin, but always SEC reject all of bitcoin and altcoin working system. When SEC have adopted bitcoin as legal currency payment maybe will get positive respond with many people to adopt and accept bitcoin as legal currency payment, but when bitcoin have been regulated by SEC can give positive way for bitcoin later.

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This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

SEC regulations also make ICO and STO more difficult to do in the United States, many project cases have closed after failing to negotiate with the SEC,
but it does not seem to be causing low bitcoin prices

Yes, the SEC should not regulate the price of Bitcoin regulation, the SEC especially regulates crypto projects that have sprung up. many projects in 2018 have failed because of SEC rules. so the price that occurs in Bitcoin is not influential because of the SEC.

It's because most projects are useless and will end up as false promising scam project that draining most investors money. I really think that SEC will always be like this to all of the project that want to get their approval. And also, SEC won't affect the price of Bitcoin itself if they deny some projects they don't have nothing to do with the price of Bitcoin.

Yup ... not only regulates the Blockchain project based on cryptocurrency, but the SEC also regulates ETF's publication when in 2018. and until now the ETF has been canceled. yes, their reason is because of concerns about liquidity and the valuation of futures contracts based on digital assets. well, we can compare with the current price of Bitcoin. SEC problems that occur in 2018 with the price of Bitcoin in December 2019 are still low. so the current price down isn't related to the SEC.

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Quote from: justdimin on December 14, 2019, 01:10:59 PM

Regulations that only affect one nation (even tho it is as big as USA) doesn't affect us, it affects the whales. Do you really think the guy with 1000 dollars in bitcoin cares about the regulations, no he doesn't and considering there are few whales and even fewer in USA that means we are talking about a very very very small minority here with SEC. So I feel like SEC has nothing to do with bull being slower.

You know what is causing the bull to be more rare and happens very slowly? The drops that after the bull run. So far anytime bitcoin went up, it plummeted back to very low numbers which is why when bitcoin is going up people are afraid of keep buying and they try to either hold or sell when it goes too much high because they know it may go down very fast if they end up holding a bag.

but the impact itself are worldwide.

everybody know that the market will always respond to any events occured involving bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a whole that is the fact , but what happened right now to the market is no longer belong to SEC event impact it has been long time since then.
the rules has been applied and if you see this is as a long term market respond i will say it is completely bullshit.

just because those regulations is officially activated doesn't mean it makes the bitcoin project disturbed in a bigger scale.
we can still see a lot of projects presented even more thesedays.
the answer is no. not sec impact.

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What does a bull run really means to you?

You are looking for the 20k mark which for me is not real.
It is like a fake pump for me. More like an error on the market.
That will not happen again. Yeah, bitcoin is volatile but not to that kind of extent.
You see they call it correction, well that means an error happened right?

Even with SEC or different events like halving, we might not really have a glimpse of that kind of pump in just months.
It will be more slower now but without errors.

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This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

SEC regulations also make ICO and STO more difficult to do in the United States, many project cases have closed after failing to negotiate with the SEC,
but it does not seem to be causing low bitcoin prices

Yes, the SEC should not regulate the price of Bitcoin regulation, the SEC especially regulates crypto projects that have sprung up. many projects in 2018 have failed because of SEC rules. so the price that occurs in Bitcoin is not influential because of the SEC.

It's because most projects are useless and will end up as false promising scam project that draining most investors money. I really think that SEC will always be like this to all of the project that want to get their approval. And also, SEC won't affect the price of Bitcoin itself if they deny some projects they don't have nothing to do with the price of Bitcoin.

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delay-rejected-repeat. The SEC only wants to make ETF always part of the archive.

They still consider bitcoin trading very low and are always in the manipulation zone. But the regulation actually allows extraordinary movements and will find clearer points, the consequences will make the price of bitcoin stable at the peak of the highest price. I don't understand what the SEC is thinking, now it will really make bitcoin move wilder than they thought. The bull market will not weaken at all, and will still be obsessed independently.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

No, I doubt that SEC has that much influence on the markets anymore.

At least not after the fact that they've denied numerous ETF applications and markets no longer have any expectations placed within them to approve one any time soon. So from that standpoint, all of these restrictions that they've put in is already priced in, and is not the reason of the bear market.

The bear market should be attributed to a simple correction to the unsustainable $14k high. Simple as that.

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Quote from: stadus on December 15, 2019, 12:31:36 AM

This is a good news so probably this would somehow result to a good market movement.
I think we need this kind of big news to ignite the bull run which is everyone is longing for, the altcoins market are dying already so we are desperate for some great news.

In the past, the hype for the SEC approval is good but then some applications were denied, majority are still pending, and it seems like investors are already forgetting this but a good news should have a good market result.

Regulation is indeed a good news but it is probably makes Bull market slower because cash flows is being monitored. Meaning, any sudden influx of fund on Bitcoin market made by any group may cause or lead to an investigation. Probably this is the reason (government regulation) why some investors who wanted to pour in fund to Bitcoin illegaly were kept at bay.

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This is a good news so probably this would somehow result to a good market movement.
I think we need this kind of big news to ignite the bull run which is everyone is longing for, the altcoins market are dying already so we are desperate for some great news.

In the past, the hype for the SEC approval is good but then some applications were denied, majority are still pending, and it seems like investors are already forgetting this but a good news should have a good market result.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

It will eventually come but I don't know if it will come sooner. The way I see it the SEC is still generally unfriendly toward cryptocurrencies. They are still not that open to ICOs and STOs. The ETF is also not approved until now, after a long time of postponement and rejection. But all these may not really be the reasons why the bull run is delayed. The SEC is only acting within a single country. The demand is getting slow. This is probably the reason.

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This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

SEC regulations also make ICO and STO more difficult to do in the United States, many project cases have closed after failing to negotiate with the SEC,
but it does not seem to be causing low bitcoin prices

Yes, the SEC should not regulate the price of Bitcoin regulation, the SEC especially regulates crypto projects that have sprung up. many projects in 2018 have failed because of SEC rules. so the price that occurs in Bitcoin is not influential because of the SEC.

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Regulations that only affect one nation (even tho it is as big as USA) doesn't affect us, it affects the whales. Do you really think the guy with 1000 dollars in bitcoin cares about the regulations, no he doesn't and considering there are few whales and even fewer in USA that means we are talking about a very very very small minority here with SEC. So I feel like SEC has nothing to do with bull being slower.

You know what is causing the bull to be more rare and happens very slowly? The drops that after the bull run. So far anytime bitcoin went up, it plummeted back to very low numbers which is why when bitcoin is going up people are afraid of keep buying and they try to either hold or sell when it goes too much high because they know it may go down very fast if they end up holding a bag.

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SEC is part of the major problem in this space, they don't have resolved decision about bitcoin, they know its worth, but keep struggling to keep it under, not many traders still take the SEC serious anymore, bitcoin still doing well without them.

The major hurdle for anyone is to have a proper rules and regulations is that the bitcoin market is a new market and it is simply not that easy to come up with rules that cannot stand the test of time and what the SEC and the other regulatory body is doing right now is that they need to restrict and stop unregulated fund collection in the form of ICO and they are doing their efforts in that and with the ETF the defense they have is that the market is not mature enough to have that right now and somewhat it is a true statement.

Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

Maybe they are still studying the best time to give an approval about the bitcoin ETF, but let's not bank on them, they really don't represent our best interest.

It is a new market and if you think that a regulatory body must stand according to the best interest of the fund collectors and not able to check on the productivity of the collected funds, then what is the point in making a regulation.

The bigger the market the more regulation has to come, it's like the chicken and the egg problem. Normally regulation is way slower than a new technology on their S-curve adoption route. That is why most of them are catching up. But it looks that most countrys will be ready for the next big leg up sometime in 2020/2021.

SEC have claim all investment assets become hype project although with bitcoin, I confused which one feature make bitcoin become hype site because bitcoin never give promise whit how much percent earn every week or every month. Bitcoin is digital assets can be transaction digital currency payment have price depend with supply and demand and not look like hype project investment.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 13, 2019, 06:28:12 AM

Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

SEC is part of the major problem in this space, they don't have resolved decision about bitcoin, they know its worth, but keep struggling to keep it under, not many traders still take the SEC serious anymore, bitcoin still doing well without them.

The major hurdle for anyone is to have a proper rules and regulations is that the bitcoin market is a new market and it is simply not that easy to come up with rules that cannot stand the test of time and what the SEC and the other regulatory body is doing right now is that they need to restrict and stop unregulated fund collection in the form of ICO and they are doing their efforts in that and with the ETF the defense they have is that the market is not mature enough to have that right now and somewhat it is a true statement.

Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

Maybe they are still studying the best time to give an approval about the bitcoin ETF, but let's not bank on them, they really don't represent our best interest.

It is a new market and if you think that a regulatory body must stand according to the best interest of the fund collectors and not able to check on the productivity of the collected funds, then what is the point in making a regulation.

The bigger the market the more regulation has to come, it's like the chicken and the egg problem. Normally regulation is way slower than a new technology on their S-curve adoption route. That is why most of them are catching up. But it looks that most countrys will be ready for the next big leg up sometime in 2020/2021.

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Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

SEC is part of the major problem in this space, they don't have resolved decision about bitcoin, they know its worth, but keep struggling to keep it under, not many traders still take the SEC serious anymore, bitcoin still doing well without them.

The major hurdle for anyone is to have a proper rules and regulations is that the bitcoin market is a new market and it is simply not that easy to come up with rules that cannot stand the test of time and what the SEC and the other regulatory body is doing right now is that they need to restrict and stop unregulated fund collection in the form of ICO and they are doing their efforts in that and with the ETF the defense they have is that the market is not mature enough to have that right now and somewhat it is a true statement.

Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

Maybe they are still studying the best time to give an approval about the bitcoin ETF, but let's not bank on them, they really don't represent our best interest.

It is a new market and if you think that a regulatory body must stand according to the best interest of the fund collectors and not able to check on the productivity of the collected funds, then what is the point in making a regulation.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on December 12, 2019, 09:34:50 AM

This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

SEC regulations also make ICO and STO more difficult to do in the United States, many project cases have closed after failing to negotiate with the SEC,
but it does not seem to be causing low bitcoin prices

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on December 12, 2019, 09:34:50 AM

This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

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This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 08, 2019, 04:48:10 AM

Forget about the SEC, there's no hype on SEC anymore so it will not result to a big price movement if there's some significant news that will come.
It's the overall market performance that are struggling so no bull run yet but it doesn't mean bull run would not come, it will come but it might take time where everyone of us does not know when exactly it will happen.

SEC and the Bakkt launch were hype in the past but when Bakkt launched, nothing has been positive happen to this market.

Just think of it as it will give a long term effect but not now when people aren't aggressive in investing again.

Although bitcoin is not hype way for investing and trading but SEC always claim bitcoin part of hype and always reject how bitcoin submission their procedure become digital currency payment, SEC look not happy looking bitcoin have higher price and many investor buy bitcoin as investment assets and use bitcoin for trading, SEC want to close bitcoin and people left bitcoin without give reason.

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We don't really have any choice don't we? It's either that or the whole crypto industry has to go underground without any kind of support from any government? We knew that this day will be coming where regulations, laws, and rules will take place in order for the cryptocurrencies to be fully accepted and be mass adapted by all. This is the thing aside from anonymity we have to sacrifice in order for us to be accepted by the government. Besides the bearish market in any cycle is just temporary and there are other factors to consider aside from regulations to see why we are having a slow moving market for months now, SEC regulating crypto might not even be the biggest factor affecting the slowed growth for crypto.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on December 11, 2019, 10:24:02 AM

Regulations make the bears harder as well, its not just towards bulls if you ask me. I think the slowing down is caused by whales realizing one day the halving will cause bitcoin price to go up so they are acting as if bitcoin is doing bad right now to accumulate as much bitcoin as they can, they are gathering their funds for now to sell later when halving takes place.

You will see that in few months bitcoin will start to go up because even whales will not be able to sell as much as others buy and eventually they will let go and buy themselves and that will cause bitcoin to skyrocket. I see 2020 as a new all time high year for us and regulations will not be able to stop it, regulations of SEC regards only the Americans, there are millions of people outside of USA that cares about bitcoin and is not bound by SEC as well.

Great point, I also assume wide-spread adoption when German banks are by default allowed to hold crypto currencies for customers from 2020 on.

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Regulations make the bears harder as well, its not just towards bulls if you ask me. I think the slowing down is caused by whales realizing one day the halving will cause bitcoin price to go up so they are acting as if bitcoin is doing bad right now to accumulate as much bitcoin as they can, they are gathering their funds for now to sell later when halving takes place.

You will see that in few months bitcoin will start to go up because even whales will not be able to sell as much as others buy and eventually they will let go and buy themselves and that will cause bitcoin to skyrocket. I see 2020 as a new all time high year for us and regulations will not be able to stop it, regulations of SEC regards only the Americans, there are millions of people outside of USA that cares about bitcoin and is not bound by SEC as well.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

Regulations in many countries for sure helped to stop the ICO craze. But the failing to bring profits of the ICO projects is what is the main reason. Most ICOs were a crowd funding's for a project that could not get founds in a bank or of some angel investors. Reason for that was clear. They did not see it will be profitable. And now 2-3 years latter we can see that most were not. So. Not sure what else to expect then that people just rather decide to pass on new ICOs.

Regulations are another factor that slowdown the market. When a regulation is not favorable, even a piece of single news, people are thinking twice before putting their money on crypto. Of course, it is understandable because of its a hard-earned money and as possible they want to put on a sure way to gain profit. Another factor is that FUD news, which really affects the price.

it's better that way, regulation comes in and Bitcoin is recognized worldwide, this will help the price of bitcoin not be manipulated,
you can know now that bitcoin prices are very easy for that, rising skyrocketing and falling skyrocketing too, and the recent Matic coin case make the crypto community feel worried about investing and trading because in a few hours Matic is down 70%, and doesn't know the reason

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Quote from: clickerz on December 10, 2019, 09:20:02 AM

Quote from: Febo on December 09, 2019, 11:49:03 AM

Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

Regulations in many countries for sure helped to stop the ICO craze. But the failing to bring profits of the ICO projects is what is the main reason. Most ICOs were a crowd funding's for a project that could not get founds in a bank or of some angel investors. Reason for that was clear. They did not see it will be profitable. And now 2-3 years latter we can see that most were not. So. Not sure what else to expect then that people just rather decide to pass on new ICOs.

Regulations are another factor that slowdown the market. When a regulation is not favorable, even a piece of single news, people are thinking twice before putting their money on crypto. Of course, it is understandable because of its a hard-earned money and as possible they want to put on a sure way to gain profit. Another factor is that FUD news, which really affects the price.

In Germany the Bitcoin regulation is quite favorable, now allowing banks to hold cryptocurrencies for their customers. Allowing a much bigger market.

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Quote from: Febo on December 09, 2019, 11:49:03 AM

Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

Regulations in many countries for sure helped to stop the ICO craze. But the failing to bring profits of the ICO projects is what is the main reason. Most ICOs were a crowd funding's for a project that could not get founds in a bank or of some angel investors. Reason for that was clear. They did not see it will be profitable. And now 2-3 years latter we can see that most were not. So. Not sure what else to expect then that people just rather decide to pass on new ICOs.

Regulations are another factor that slowdown the market. When a regulation is not favorable, even a piece of single news, people are thinking twice before putting their money on crypto. Of course, it is understandable because of its a hard-earned money and as possible they want to put on a sure way to gain profit. Another factor is that FUD news, which really affects the price.

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Whether or not the SEC will effect or not. seems it doesn't have any effect on the price of Bitcoin, last year the price of Bitcoin crashed due to SEC rumors but it seems like it was only manipulation or diversion of the issue. The SEC more precisely regulates the ICO project last year, which was stuck by regulations they could not continue their project, but this is another case when faced with the price of Bitcoin I guess.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

If the price of bitcoin starts a rally from $3500 to $13000 i would say that it was a small bull run and we saw that this year a few months back and what do you expect from the market, move up to all time high valuation every now and then and then see a correction Tongue

. The SEC has nothing to do with the valuation of BTCitcoin and they are allowing fund managers to function legally and they are not restricting the market but the market needs more maturity then we might see the SEC approving BTCitcoin ETF in the coming years.

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Quote from: Febo on December 09, 2019, 11:49:03 AM

Regulations in many countries for sure helped to stop the ICO craze. But the failing to bring profits of the ICO projects is what is the main reason.

All bubbles burst at one point. If you reward scammy projects with in some cases hundreds of millions worth of Bitcoin and Ether, you can be assured that the same scammers will dump the market down again. They created tokens out of thin air and became filthy rich overnight.

ICO's can keep dumping the price down to super low levels (which they did) because they didn't buy these coins with their hard earned money. If something is given to you for free, you'll be happy to sell that something at any price because it is and will stay a net gain. I hope that people can agree on the fact that it is not normal that a lot of tokens are down 98-99% from their all time high. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

There is already regulations put into place isn't it? Even FATF and EU have their own version. So it doesn't make any difference if they're going to regulate or not. This is a free market and I would say that it's hard to stop.

He's implying all their enforcement actions and perceived meddling in the token markets have put a damper on the market. Nobody wants to launch or invest in new projects in this environment. The repeated denial of ETF applications may also be a deterrent for more traditional and institutional investors, who are waiting for SEC-approved exchange-traded instruments with lower carry costs.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

Not only sec regulation has slowed the bull market, but also government regulations and of course governments that banned the use of bitcoin.
There are also market whales that control the prices of altcoins and bitcoins. We cannot deny it especially since we have seen how bitcoin has risen and has fallen rapidly.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

Regulations in many countries for sure helped to stop the ICO craze. But the failing to bring profits of the ICO projects is what is the main reason. Most ICOs were a crowd funding's for a project that could not get founds in a bank or of some angel investors. Reason for that was clear. They did not see it will be profitable. And now 2-3 years latter we can see that most were not. So. Not sure what else to expect then that people just rather decide to pass on new ICOs.

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I don't think it's like that. Americans think their influence over the world economy is greater than it really is. That's why when you hear about Bitcoin taxes you mostly hear about the SEC being onto you, but the SEC cares only about US citizens. They cannot dictate how you should be taxed in Europe or Asia.
Bitcoin markets are a similar case. Most Bitcoins don't change hands in the US but rather in Asia.

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bitcoin need new investors who hold ; every time this happend and halving approaching; the bull run will creat slower then prices will be very strong and for sure bear market or crash will end and will never effect like recent two years ; you should not waiting for etf or bakkt for investing and buying

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we have seen the bull market, it's just not as big as at the end of 2017.
at the time of February to July we were on a bull namu now in August until December we are still bleeding. I don't think SEC has made the bull market slow down. You can see my post here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53286647 we are now in an accumulated market.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017.

We might see one in 2021, assuming the four year cycle.

Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

Unlikely that we will see SEC approving ETF's.

They are clamping on ICO's and if I'm not mistaken, they have sued projects already. Troubled messaging app Kik sued by SEC over initial coin offering.

They're even barring US citizens from investing in ICOs.

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Regulations are not stopping the bull market, regulations are stopping people from pumping and dumping bitcoin to their liking. If you are a whale who made a billion dollar profits you gotta pay the taxes of it as well, you got acknowledge the fact that government wants a piece of the pie and in order to pay your taxes you gotta let them know how much money you put in, how much you got out, what you did for it and who you are.

Basically all the info they could get their hands on, which for some whales is a big no no for some weird reason so they don't do it anymore. People who got bitcoin and want to sell still can, it is not illegal to dump thousands of bitcoin all at once, however it is shady and gray area for legality depending on where you are (for example NY made it illegal) to buy back slowly to gather more at cheap after you just sold.

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Quote from: CryptoBry on December 07, 2019, 10:34:16 PM

The problem has always been the glaring lack of adoption from the people and from the business community. So why there is that lack of adoption in the first place? Aside from the usual volatility of the digital assets, people are feeling that in this industry there is a lack of security. And it is not the fault of the government. In the first place, if people in cryptocurrency especially with Bitcoin are heavily using the assets in the P2P manner, we would not have any government and its regulatory power coming into the scene that much. But this is not what is happening. Many people are not feeling secured in this industry partly because of the many scams and hacks going on. And that is not the fault of the government. We usually have a distrust with the government because of what happened a decade ago but that concern is now fading, and we could not use that kind of fear anymore these days. Partly the government can be a reason but the biggest reason why bull run is having a hard time to happen is the market itself. When there is an avalanche demand for cryptocurrency no government can do something about it. But when the demand is not that attractive, we usually survey the horizon and just pick up anything to lay the blame for.

It's not just people feeling the lack of security. It's the problems with slow blocks, mempool backlogs and rising fees.

I feel the episode in late 2017/early 2018 when transactions were waitin 3 weeks to be confirmed, really hurt bitcoin. Steam removed their bitcoin payment option and has never reinstated it. And other retailers stopped additing bitcoin. Bitcoin has become a speculative asset.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

There is already regulations put into place isn't it? Even FATF and EU have their own version. So it doesn't make any difference if they're going to regulate or not. This is a free market and I would say that it's hard to stop. As far as bull run is concern, market works in cycle, so we just have to wait when will be the next bull run. And if we ever go on another run, no one can stop it, not even SEC.

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Forget about the SEC, there's no hype on SEC anymore so it will not result to a big price movement if there's some significant news that will come.
It's the overall market performance that are struggling so no bull run yet but it doesn't mean bull run would not come, it will come but it might take time where everyone of us does not know when exactly it will happen.

SEC and the Bakkt launch were hype in the past but when Bakkt launched, nothing has been positive happen to this market.

Just think of it as it will give a long term effect but not now when people aren't aggressive in investing again.

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it's not the SEC. they were rejecting ETF applications at the beginning of the 2017 bubble, and were shutting down ICOs in the middle of the bubble. no one cared and the market kept bubbling up.

face it guys, there's just no hype around bitcoin right now. no hype = no bull market.

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Quote from: gentlemand on December 07, 2019, 08:11:44 PM

Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

ETF - most likely never.

This director at the SEC makes it sound like it's not so far off: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sec-a-bitcoin-etf-approval-forthcoming-5207587

Granted, she's talking about an ETF backed by cash-settled futures. Baby steps.....

Quote from: gentlemand on December 07, 2019, 08:11:44 PM

ICO - you actually want that worthless, empty shit to make a comeback? Even if it were allowed I wonder whether enough people would fall for it again. Probably.

Definitely. It's really no different than the pink sheet stock market. You have any idea how many pink sheet stocks go to $0? But the market never dies. All we need is some hype and mainstream investors will come running back.

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I think after the Winklevoss Twins ETF rejection of early 2017 which caused a huge price crash, nobody is expecting the SEC to approve an ETF ever so they just assume that every BTC application will get delayed or rejected. So it might of been the reason for the delay prior to 2017 but after that it doesn't make a difference.

BTC in my opinion is still in the middle of a correction. Back in 2017 we started out at the 3 digits and basically in less than a year almost hit $20K. Its a crazy streak and needs a badly long correction and price discovery.

Basically I am hoping that we won't trade lower than $4-5K ever in the next year and expect a new ATH sometime in the next 3 years or so. However don't be surprised if we keep trading at $7K for the next few years.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

No. The SEC regulation is making the growth and adoption of crypto harder but it is not going to cause as big problem as halting a bull run or making it slower. The bull run is going to come despite the decision of SEC. The world is big and it is not really dependent on whatever decision the SEC would take. Investors will go for crypto despite the decision of SEC. There is always a way to get away from the tentacles of this agency. The bull run is slow due to slow or little inflow of crypto investment.

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Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

SEC is part of the major problem in this space

No they're not. The SEC is one government agency in one country, and they aren't exactly pushing to have bitcoin banned or anything. I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

That first sentence makes no sense whatsoever. As to the second sentence, who gives a shit if the SEC has banned ICO participation for US citizens and are twiddling their thumbs on the ETF issue? Those are small things and again, the US is just one country out of over 200. If an ETF never sees the light of day, that will have zero effect on bitcoin. It's not needed. And frankly ICOs are just scams anyway, so that's a non-issue.

To address the title of this thread: