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Topic: Is Segwit for LTC really necessary? Why? - page 3. (Read 4740 times)

sr. member
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where do you live in a cave?
(high fees, limited transaction per minut, etc)
offchain scale and lightning network can be shared on both BTC and LTC, so if litecoin have segwit/LN his resources can be used for BTC lightning transfer


Easy, easy there.
Scaling is without a doubt a problem. I thought you had meant something else.
You say Segwit must be tested on Litecoin, is it not secure to implement directly on Bitcoin?
If LTC is only for testing Segwit, do you see no value in LTC per se?
legendary
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Unnecessary because Litecoin's network is not crowd like Bitcoin's, this is only for pump, not the real use. If bitcoin signals SW, btc will be pumped too.

Please learn what segwit is, its not about block scaling why litecoin need it
As market want to test SEGWIT as solution for bitcoin problem, litecoin can be used for that test!!



What problem?

where do you live in a cave?
(high fees, limited transaction per minut, etc)
offchain scale and lightning network can be shared on both BTC and LTC, so if litecoin have segwit/LN his resources can be used for BTC lightning transfer

I was wondering if using segwit, won't people start scamming each other like in the example below? Or am I not reading it correctly?

"Who benefits?
Anyone spending unconfirmed transactions: if Alice pays Bob in transaction 1, Bob uses that payment to pay Charlie in transaction 2, and then Alice’s payment gets malleated and confirmed with a different txid, then transaction 2 is now invalid and Charlie has not been paid. If Bob is trustworthy, he will reissue the payment to Charlie; but if he isn’t, he can simply keep those bitcoins for himself."

Source: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/


segwit is the bug fix for the problem you are writing, that can happen now on bitcoin and litecoin and on all the clones...

sr. member
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Unnecessary because Litecoin's network is not crowd like Bitcoin's, this is only for pump, not the real use. If bitcoin signals SW, btc will be pumped too.

Please learn what segwit is, its not about block scaling why litecoin need it
As market want to test SEGWIT as solution for bitcoin problem, litecoin can be used for that test!!



What problem?
sr. member
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I was wondering if using segwit, won't people start scamming each other like in the example below? Or am I not reading it correctly?

"Who benefits?
Anyone spending unconfirmed transactions: if Alice pays Bob in transaction 1, Bob uses that payment to pay Charlie in transaction 2, and then Alice’s payment gets malleated and confirmed with a different txid, then transaction 2 is now invalid and Charlie has not been paid. If Bob is trustworthy, he will reissue the payment to Charlie; but if he isn’t, he can simply keep those bitcoins for himself."

Source: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/
legendary
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Unnecessary because Litecoin's network is not crowd like Bitcoin's, this is only for pump, not the real use. If bitcoin signals SW, btc will be pumped too.

Please learn what segwit is, its not about block scaling why litecoin need it
As market want to test SEGWIT as solution for bitcoin problem, litecoin can be used for that test!!

legendary
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I cannot think of a practical reason why Segwit needs to be activated in LTC if the coin itself does not attract enough users to make it necessary. What if it becomes activated but nobody uses it? What good is it if it is not really that necessary?
One thing Segwit would do would be to attract more users and get pump LTC up a bit.

I cannot think

Correct. You can't think.

Watch and learn.

Next time you'll read what I wrote.

I already debunked this nonsense thread of yours.

But all you said were copy and pasting all your theories and arguments of what you think. Those cannot be proven until it is done in practice. How is that debunking the question if Segwit is really necessary?

The point of the question is if it is necessary now with the current usage of LTC. It will be an improvement I am sure. But is it necessary from the point of view of a user?

You first have to ask yourself, how is it being used now? Why do we need Segwit now to open the roads to a Lightning Network?

Litecoin has one and only one chance to ever get SegWit activated now while LTC is extremely undervalued (because this means miners can form a 75% consensus on rising the price, which won't be otherwise be possible due to the crab bucket game theory that John Nash designed into Satoshi's PoW). That window of opportunity will close and due the crab bucket mentality that Satoshi designed into PoW and never be possible again in the future.

Without off chain LN, there is no other way to scale Satoshi's PoW. I've refuted all the other technological BS such as larger blocks and Xthin.

Bitcoin will NEVER get scaling.

Litecoin MUST get scaling NOW. And it will. And it will receive all the transaction rate scaling that Bitcoin will NEVER be able to do.

Please don't make me explain this again.



You are saying that making litecoin scale now is needed, but for what? There are no assurances that the cryptocoin users will all go and use it. There is also the possibility that it will have a scalable platform ready to be used but with not enough transactions to make the move to activate segwit defensible.

Your theory is good and I try to understand all your posts. I am trying to play the devil's advocate to get a good discussion on the topic. We have the scalability issue thrown around in the forum a lot and no one has really asked the question what for? or is it really needed?.

This could be an important point I think, If/When Litecoin gets segwit and
the value pumps big what will happen to the "investments" when it stops?
there is a lot of volume already in litecoin and more waiting
to migrate into it and in turn will be even quicker to leave once the pump stops.

Is this all segwit is gonna provide for Ltc?
would that be the natural course of events in times of positive/negative hype like we are experiencing now?
sr. member
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Unnecessary because Litecoin's network is not crowd like Bitcoin's, this is only for pump, not the real use. If bitcoin signals SW, btc will be pumped too.
sr. member
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everyone's thinking only in terms of segwit = scaling. that's cool but not the main reason for it. it allows tons of new possibilities. if segwit is activated on there it's also gonna attract an influx of bitcoin developers. why ignore the only game in town?

Examples?
Lightning network? With the SegWit and there will lot of the possibilities for activating the off-chain transaction for bitcoin. SegWit is a way for a lot of the possibilities to get more solution and improvements.
Like European's said, the main reason of segwit to resolve the malleability transaction of bitcoin. Which satoshi hadn't known to resolve it. Scaling is just a side advantage from the segwit itself.

LN is offchain scaling, the question was re possibilities other than scaling. What else is SW good for?
Malleability is a minor issue, Bitcoin has worked for 8 years as is.
legendary
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Chines miner are toxic, at least few ppl that control it
You need to look at mona and VTC hash rate, nicehash ranting to see malicious plot by some group (we all know who they are jihan wo, roger, etc)  to block segwit on any alt there (at least know) they might miss some small ones

Same thing they now fight on LTC, that`s why you can not trust greedy miner that for few $$ (well more then few) will sell his hash as we sow few days ago some hash power shifted from segwit (bat pool) pool to fucking jihan pool antpool in matter of minute ...

Segwit is primary a patch that will allow crypto progress and more security, litecoin 100% today does not need bigger block so using and testing on it would be GR8 idea which no one can say is not good

Main downfall of litecoin was no edge development which any shit other alt use no one needed just to make hype
Now when market ask segwit on litecoin we have some VERY EVIL PPL that must be stoped if we wont to see crypto progress in general!
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everyone's thinking only in terms of segwit = scaling. that's cool but not the main reason for it. it allows tons of new possibilities. if segwit is activated on there it's also gonna attract an influx of bitcoin developers. why ignore the only game in town?

Examples?
Lightning network? With the SegWit and there will lot of the possibilities for activating the off-chain transaction for bitcoin. SegWit is a way for a lot of the possibilities to get more solution and improvements.
Like European's said, the main reason of segwit to resolve the malleability transaction of bitcoin. Which satoshi hadn't known to resolve it. Scaling is just a side advantage from the segwit itself.
legendary
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I cannot think

Correct. You can't think.

Watch and learn.

Next time you'll read what I wrote.

I already debunked this nonsense thread of yours.

But all you said were copy and pasting all your theories and arguments of what you think. Those cannot be proven until it is done in practice. How is that debunking the question if Segwit is really necessary?

The point of the question is if it is necessary now with the current usage of LTC. It will be an improvement I am sure. But is it necessary from the point of view of a user?

You first have to ask yourself, how is it being used now? Why do we need Segwit now to open the roads to a Lightning Network?

Litecoin has one and only one chance to ever get SegWit activated now while LTC is extremely undervalued (because this means miners can form a 75% consensus on rising the price, which won't be otherwise be possible due to the crab bucket game theory that John Nash designed into Satoshi's PoW). That window of opportunity will close and due the crab bucket mentality that Satoshi designed into PoW and never be possible again in the future.

Without off chain LN, there is no other way to scale Satoshi's PoW. I've refuted all the other technological BS such as larger blocks and Xthin.

Bitcoin will NEVER get scaling.

Litecoin MUST get scaling NOW. And it will. And it will receive all the transaction rate scaling that Bitcoin will NEVER be able to do.

Please don't make me explain this again.



You are saying that making litecoin scale now is needed, but for what? There are no assurances that the cryptocoin users will all go and use it. There is also the possibility that it will have a scalable platform ready to be used but with not enough transactions to make the move to activate segwit defensible.

Your theory is good and I try to understand all your posts. I am trying to play the devil's advocate to get a good discussion on the topic. We have the scalability issue thrown around in the forum a lot and no one has really asked the question what for? or is it really needed?.
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I cannot think of a practical reason why Segwit needs to be activated in LTC if the coin itself does not attract enough users to make it necessary. What if it becomes activated but nobody uses it? What good is it if it is not really that necessary?
One thing Segwit would do would be to attract more users and get pump LTC up a bit.
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LTC started with a logical idea (supply faster blocks), but the crypto world evolved since then. SW is it chance to be innovative again and to attract more interested in it. Is it a bad thing? I really don't think so. All advance is good for all crypto coins and will help to create better versions of them. On the investor side of the view, I (we) need to keep track of these developments to see wich coins will remain relevant in the future.
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everyone's thinking only in terms of segwit = scaling. that's cool but not the main reason for it. it allows tons of new possibilities. if segwit is activated on there it's also gonna attract an influx of bitcoin developers. why ignore the only game in town?

Examples?
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everyone's thinking only in terms of segwit = scaling. that's cool but not the main reason for it. it allows tons of new possibilities. if segwit is activated on there it's also gonna attract an influx of bitcoin developers. why ignore the only game in town?

Bitcoin developers will only move to Litecoin if they think their work on it will get rewarded. But if no-one uses the coin, they won't get rewarded...

You need to build the community first, and then everything follows.
legendary
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everyone's thinking only in terms of segwit = scaling. that's cool but not the main reason for it. it allows tons of new possibilities. if segwit is activated on there it's also gonna attract an influx of bitcoin developers. why ignore the only game in town?
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I cannot think of a practical reason why Segwit needs to be activated in LTC if the coin itself does not attract enough users to make it necessary. What if it becomes activated but nobody uses it? What good is it if it is not really that necessary?

It will be cited as proof that Segwit is not necessary for bitcoin.
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The volume on LTC is building. LTC has far too high of volume lately to stay so undervalued. The pressure is building. Also, fiat is coming into LTC via Coinbase, so that in my mind is enough to push LTC's price up regardless of SegWit activation.

The volume is indeed insanely high.
...
I can't see LTC not going up again  Smiley

when price is changing volume goes up too, it doesn't matter if it is changing for the better or for worse (down or up) and it only shows people who are making trades to take advantage of the changing price in short term aka day trading. and you can't say it is positive. and in this case the high volume shows a massive dump in the past 24 hours.

what is positive and shows good signs is when price is stable or with little change but the volume is high which shows accumulation with smart money coming in without anybody noticing.

i am not saying litecoin can not go up again, i am saying your conclusion is wrong.

The volume is extremely high but it is not a panic waterfall collapse. That to me is very bullish. It indicates to me the smart money is trying enter at the lowest price they can before the next blast off.

Nearly all the altcoins are down because the market is confused and thinks that Blockstream has defeated Jihan Wu's BU, but I expect BTC is topping out at $1200 (range bound as I predicted many days ago) once the market realizes that this BS about SegWit signaling on Bitcoin gaining momentum is nonsense. Bitcoin will never get scaling. The market will digest this, Bitcoin will stumble and Litecoin will rocket up.

The market is stupid because Bitcoin will actually benefit from scaling on Litecoin, but the market has to go through its gyrations. In any case, my thesis is Bitcoin remains range bound until Litecoin catches up, because the charge says "It Is Just Time" and because Bitcoin can't move up until there will be scaling in the Satoshi's PoW ecosystem. Litecoin will get it, Bitcoin won't, but that it is a good thing for Bitcoin. Market doesn't realize any of this yet, but the smart money does.



Channels are important and to me the market says this is not an issue. The thick blue line in the LTCBTC chart is the long-term downtrend from the 2013-2015 highs. This run should go to 0.015 at a minimum. I also consider this to be a stair-step advance where the decline is not enough to allow solid entry points, but sufficient to force weak holders into panic selling.

Additionally, markets like to fill the gaps seen on the downward move in the LTCBTC chart, so we should come back up to at least close those.

We have until April 10th for the long-term downtrend and the bottom of the current channel to force a direction. There is likely to be a decisive move over the weekend, which I expect to be positive.

I would sell some if 0.00855-0.00865 is broken, and most if 0.00775 is breached.





We are still within the channel!
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I cannot think of any reason too presently because there is no transaction logjam on the network but just imagine that SegWit has been activated on the Bitcoin network 2 years ago, when the token was less valauble and almost nobody is out there to project his/her own interest, the space will not be the way it is now. Nobody knows the future but this activation might be the wake up call Litecoin need to meet and rise to expectations. I believe it should be more valuable than Ethereum, Ripples and Dash
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