Topic: Is the environmental crisis our fault? (Read 179 times)

what if i said the rise in sea level is in many places actually the land subsiding due to over removal of groundwater without letting the underground aquifers have time to refill

what if i told you the main reason the arctic ice shelf's dont grow back as much each year is not carbon, but them science geeks running their icebreaker ships around the arctic, cutting it up before it has time to build up

yes we humans are the cause of many things related to climate change. but its not all at the fingertips of "carbon"

cutting down the rainforest to turn it into farmland is not "carbon" fault, its a greed for food variety far beyond our need

I will not blame any particular group for the environmental crisis. We are all destroying the environment from our own position. The biggest reason for the rise in sea level is the increase in carbon dioxide gas, the rich and the poor are all competing to increase this gas. Collectively, we are damaging the environment but few people work to protect the environment. The rich play a greater role in increasing carbon gas and the poor participate in destroying the environment by filling the environment with garbage. As long as we humans cannot work with moral values, the welfare of the world is not possible.

The rich always ride the poor. We need to fix it.

The environmental crisis is a result of the actions of people who are not environmentally and climate-conscious. This includes individuals from all walks of life, regardless of their socioeconomic status - the rich, the middle class, and the poor.

If you're a wealthy individual who owns a factory that burns fossil fuels, disregarding the amount of carbon dioxide emitted into the ozone layer, you're contributing to the environmental crisis.

If you're a middle-class person who uses generators and other polluting devices in your daily business, pouring trash and toxic substances into rivers and harming aquatic life, you're also contributing to environmental pollution.

If you're a low-income individual who consumes limited resources but still litter and dispose of waste improperly, causing harm to land animals and the environment, you're part of the problem.

Let's not solely blame the wealthy, as they're not the only ones responsible. There may be wealthy individuals who take climate action seriously and advocate for a clean environment. Conversely, there may be low-income individuals who feel that their limited consumption means they're not contributing to the problem, but still engage in environmentally harmful practices.

The mindset that only the wealthy are to blame is misguided. The truth is that everyone - the rich, middle class, poor, governments, and private sectors - who is not environmentally conscious or climate-conscious is part of the issue.

We're all part of this problem if we haven't been taking climate action seriously. This includes burning fossil fuels, oil spillage, and failing to educate our children about environmental crises and global warming. There's no single class that's exclusively to blame.

Do you and your family, relatives...use oil in daily life? Without oil companies, where would we get the oil to use and run the machines to produce the goods we use every day? So we cannot blame any individual or organization but we all are responsible for the climate change of the earth.

It's human nature, most of us just like to blame others but the truth is we are the ones who are contributing to making the world worse. It can be said that human needs are the cause of everything, not just any person/organization, because if we don't have needs, those companies will stop exploiting and producing.

the whole need to stop using fossil fuels is not a environmental problem but a reserve limit of oil that will deplete in xxyears, so its a need to convert to other energy sources due to supplies running out within less than a century(but energy companies dont want to use own profits to diversify, so they beg for grants from tax payer using scare tactics)

as for the plastics issue, whilst still having a fossil fuel demand, if we all stopped needing plastic, the sludge byproduct of fossil fuel would remain as sludge which would be more toxic if that went to landfill, so while still using fossil fuel we still have to keep a plastic demand to use the sludge.. however we should find long use products such as house PVC window frames and guttering which keeps plastics away from landfill, compared to single use utensils and packaging

the whole 400parts per million carbon debate is a silly stat scare tactic. first of all in the 1800's london smog era the air was full of way way more carbon but guess what. there was no boiling lakes and rivers in the UK, infact the UK experienced the worse frosts and winters
also the numbers that are released are not real numbers. they have been manipulated.
for instance when the air is humid, rainy it shows a significant amount of moisture per million(real atmosphere tests).. which would offset how many parts can be other things like oxygen, nitrogen and carbon
however they manipulate the daily numbers to eliminate the moisture amount from actual tests, which then exaggerates how many parts per million are the other air particles like particles
did you know on a very rainy day, by the using math to eliminate the rain from the stat to keep records based on 'dry' days. the amount of carbon would show as a number larger than 400 parts when the moisture count is removed.

yep they dont simply use atmosphere tests and post results. they change the numbers to estimates of what they believe the numbers should be as if it was a dry day. meaning when its raining or snowy, they have to adjust the numbers alot to make it an estimate of if that was the same conditions as a warm sunny cloudless sunny day

just try it with like 10x 10 marbles on your table and then physically take away marbles that represent water and then count up the average parts per 10 left

if the air was 50% humid and lets say for demo 10% carbon
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it would show in atmosphere tests as
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however removing the moisture to make all stats appear as "dry days"
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it would show in published results as
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There is no environmental crisis. There is only talk that they is one. The crisis revolves around who you want to believe.

You don't have to believe anything they say, you can feel global warming and climate change in your everyday life. I can feel it clearly in my daily life.

In recent years, the temperature in my country has been increasing, sometimes up to 43 degrees Celsius in summer and winter is not as cold as many years ago. Meanwhile, 3 or 5 years ago, the temperature never exceeded 38 degrees in summer and in winter the temperature often dropped below 12-15 degrees. The area I live in is considered to have the coolest and most temperate climate but in recent years things have turned upside down. Not to mention, we have never experienced floods or landslides...but these situations are happening more and more in areas near where I live.

Climate change is real and is deeply impacting our lives, don't deny it.

I don't think that the rich have anything to do with environmental crisis, there are far more poor people on earth than the rich and whatever environmental pollution that the rich emits, the poor people combined emits more. Environmental pollution is a global crisis, the causes affects both the rich and poor, example of where pollution comes from are factories, vehicles and gas flaring, the poor and rich benefits from these causes of pollution. The world needs innovations where we'll see more electric cars that are eco friendly and have alternatives to all sorts of emissions that causes environment pollution to us.

You would not stop people from enjoying their wealth. If you are rich, I am sure you will not bring such an idea. This your suggestions will not see the light of the day because the people who make global laws are the rich. You know that they wouldn't make laws that will affect them negatively. The events of the 29th annual UN climate conference in Baku are a clear example that the rich do not want to be responsible for the havoc they cause the environment.


Maybe the government is overestimating the impact of the environmental crisis but I think it is real. From personal experience, I have seen places that have never been affected by natural disasters like flooding becoming submerged by water. A friend had to move out of his personal house to a rented apartment because the area has started experiencing flooding which is very strange. We are now seeing rains that would have fallen for months dropping in hours. Global environmental threats are real but it might be correct that some people are using it as avenues to make huge profit and manipulate the people.

Because of course we are responsible for the environmental crisis. We are constantly polluting the environment in some way or the other. One of the main causes of environmental pollution is the use of fossil fuels. Also, most of the environmental pollution is caused by human activities. As a result, the climate is changing day by day. Along with this, the environment is being destroyed.

the rate at which the effect of the items used by the rich affect the ecosystem is not different from the impact of the kind of activities the regular poor man get involved in directly affect our ecosystem. most of the luxurious cars you see the rich making use of are well designed such that they don't pollute the environment unlike the items that are used by the poor. a better consideration of this thought should have been that the rich got most of their wealth while destroying the eco while taking up oil resources and leave the poor people that are inhabiting such location to be at the mercy of a damaged environment and in the end, suffer a very bad health condition.

living in an oil producing country and particularly in an host community to an oil company and seeing that there are not enough infrastructure to the host community even though the effect of the companies activities have rendered local farming and fishing worthless with the environment all polluted due to reckless flaring of gases while the rich earn from these destruction and travel far to their abode to leave big while the poor are left in environment that is not friendly again. for this, the blame can be on the rich and more also on the refusal of the poor to get themselves educated so they can stand to defend themselves and protect there environment from being misused

But you only have to worry for less than 100 years, because you will be dead from old age, if nothing else, by then, anyway. So, why worry? Instead, consider your place in eternity - God, Jesus, the Bible.

True, you might be thinking of your kids and grand-kids. But if you worry for them, get them going on God, Jesus and the Bible, so that they are saved.

True narration of what is happening to our environment as the activities of men has made the environment where we find our self unsafe and harmful for living with each day that passes the issue of climate change coming up but government all over the world only pay lip service to it if drastic and decisive means are not taken to address the problem of climate change this earth is going to become more dangerous to live in as humans, so the current environmental crisis currently disturbing the world is from the activities of human

Looks like you're a socialist.


They're wasting their own money. Shouldn't that be their choice?


Someone made all those items. A car factory employs people, so they can build their own houses and buy their own cars. Private jets require pilots, mechanics, and so on. Yachts also don't sail themselves.
Rich people are employers far greater than you. Chances are some of the work you're being paid for is done for the rich, or at least richer than you.

Fine, you're right. Let's them give up all their money, so other people can become rich and wasteful. Is that what you want?

Environmental crisis will still be there on a larger scale even if we have only poor people in the world. Poor people are not free from these blame because they too have contributed immensely to the pollution of the environment. Poor people do not have access to some modern ways of getting things done, this has always prompted them to get it done their own way.

For example, poor people encourage deforestation when they engage in excessive farming. Some even engage in bush burning and rely on woods as major source of energy. They polute the environment with their waste disposal system because they do not have the resources to properly dispose waste or recycle it.

Both the rich and the poor are to be blamed accordingly. Those who should take the higher blame are the authorities vested with the responsibility of making sure the environment is safe yet failed to do their job.

When you look at the history of the world, you will see that there have been environmental crises that far surpassed those of today. The people of those times didn't have the strength to make or change any of them.

Our environmental crisis is not a problem made by the people. Both the crisis, and the attempts we use to correct it, can easily be changed by one Krakatoa sized volcano eruption. The sun and earthquakes can change the so-called environmental crisis.

We are almost nothing when it comes to environmental crisis causes.

It's generally the fault of those who refuse to do what is right or follow the established laws that govern mankind and nature.

Everything is meant to be held tightly together by a Force, but once the law is broken, the grip is loosened, and then comes the extreme/unpredictable environmental conditions.

So, lawlessness like cheating, lying, false witness, fornication, adultery, hate, murder, etc, contribute greatly to the environmental crisis.

Creating harmful tech and other things that harm the environment is a symptom of bigger issue stated above, because once the grip is loosened, man/nature begins to derail and misbehave uncontrollably to point of not knowing what is good or bad for the environment

It is basically the fault of big oil companies who did not anything to prevent the effects of the burning of fossil fuels in the long term, for the sake of profit. There are already some investigations and papers who point out to them knowing about the existence of climate change before it was mainstream and they decided to ignore it.
Most of the climate change comes from the consumption of energy for cars and logistics in general, and we all know how close it is the vehicle industry to those corporations which drill for oil.
I see it a collective fault and also a percentage of it concentrated in oil producers.

I don’t believe there is an environmental crisis. Environmentalists have been saying the ocean will boil, the sea level will dramatically rise, there ill be devastating floods worldwide for decades. It’s all bull shit, I don’t believe any of it. I think it’s governments & globalists lying to make huge profits in solar, wind farms etc. They just want to control us.

Rich people should bear greater responsibility; their lifestyles are fundamentally wasteful. Private jets, luxury yachts, vacant mansions, 24/7 climate-controlled villas, and the consumption of dozens of luxury cars and high-end goods—these wastes and pollution are beyond what ordinary people could ever offset with a lifetime of environmental efforts. Sometimes, instead of urging us to be more eco-friendly, perhaps it's time for them to reconsider their lifestyles or pay for the 'medical bills' of the damage they’ve done to the planet. Maybe that would be more effective.