Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

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Quote from: KingsDen on June 08, 2023, 03:52:37 PM

Binance is not bitcoin, binance is an exchange.
Even if Binance winds up today, Bitcoin will still exist.

Yeah if Binance winds up today Bitcoin will still exist but it will affect the price at that moment because it will halt demand to an extent since not all Bitcoin investor understands that Binance is a mere exchange. The circulating supply too will be affected. Exchange has a big role to play in Bitcoin price just that their impact is not permanent but it must be felt on the market.

I think the problem is more of the SEC and centralized exchange like Binance and the effect might not be complex now until the sec is able to send Binance out of the US which I know is the reason why Garry is fighting so hard on the exchange. The is not going to be easy per say because he is been accused of manipulations and this might affect his reputation if he is find guilty.
There are many things going on which I know that this fight is not going to stay long we think because of the issues behind it. People had been calling for the sack of Garry and if this continues, it might not end well for the president of Sec.

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Quote from: tabas on June 08, 2023, 05:16:29 PM

Whilst we saw how BRC20 craze made the network clogged, the price wasn't moved by inch of it but only the fees.

Maybe you didn't notice but at the peak of that period, Bitcoin price just kept going down. I can't tell for sure if the network fees were the main reason for the downward movement of Bitcoin during the time, but Im fairly certain it was part of the factors. I had a certain amount of Bitcoin I was supposed to use for payment of something at the time, I decided to wait and see if the price will come up so I can make a little profit from it but it just kept going down till I ended up making a loss Grin

. It's funny when I think of it because greed caused that for me.

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To many fuds exist already and this exchange issues is not new so most provably investors are now aware that some people use this issue to manipulate them. And it didn't work since they just ignore the news and continue with their investments rather than focusing on things that can't actually kill bitcoin and crypto.

Maybe there are some got panic when they hear the news but since there are small number of people feel this way it didn't create any big impact that's the reason why we see bitcoin still standing strong despite of that kind of news released.

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What surprised him was that the SEC's decisions were not only against Binance, but also targeted more than 15 platforms soon and in a limited market such as the US market.
Bitcoin has become too big to be affected by such news, and if it was clearly affected, we are still far from public adoption of this technology.
Binance has a clear influence on the altcoin market, so if anything happens to this platform, most of the altcoins will be affected, although I will not deny its impact on the price of Bitcoin.

Side note: Binance working hard to defend BNB at $220 price

https://twitter.com/JoeConsorti/status/1668723869794926595

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OP I think you should know this. Bitcoin has been in existence years before the inception of binance exchange so I see no way an attack on binance would affect bitcoin. Years back bitcoin faced attacks much stronger than this which almost everyone thought it would be difficult bit it sprang up very fast and stronger than it used to be. I think you should do your research properly so you could know more about the happenings around bitcoin years before now. Binance experiencing any form of attack does not in any ways affect bitcoin. How about that of the BRC20 attack are you still hearing about it again?
Bitcoin has stood the test of time and definitely there is nothing anybody could do to go against it anymore. The more the perceived attack on bitcoin, the higher it goes and the more popular it becomes.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on June 12, 2023, 01:38:53 PM

Bitcoin is a decentralized asset so it is not possible to attack by SEC or any other government agencies.

The SEC can't attack bitcoin directly - but they ^{[certain governments and organizations]} can still attack exchange platforms, wallet companies, miners, and anything they think could destroy the market.

Quote from: Mate2237 on June 12, 2023, 01:38:53 PM

Binance is a centralized exchange platform which probably have offices across the world and pay tax direct to the state government and probably it has breach the agreement with government and that is why sec is going after them. If not Binance has been on Operation for more 3 years and sec didn't find any fault till this year. From my looking, there is something wrong between the two parties.

Binance is definitely centralized exchange platform - so you shouldn't trust them 100% for investment funds. Governments can attack them at any time - even Binance can freeze your assets for some reason. They are subject to the laws of any country in which they operate, so legal hurdles and lawsuits are inevitably at risk when one of them found to be in breach of contract.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

Bitcoin is a decentralized asset so it is not possible to attack by SEC or any other government agencies. Binance is a centralized exchange platform which probably have offices across the world and pay tax direct to the state government and probably it has breach the agreement with government and that is why sec is going after them. If not Binance has been on Operation for more 3 years and sec didn't find any fault till this year. From my looking, there is something wrong between the two parties.

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Quote from: KingsDen on June 08, 2023, 03:52:37 PM

Binance is not bitcoin, binance is an exchange.
Even if Binance winds up today, Bitcoin will still exist.

Absolutely correct!
But one thing we should know is that despite they are not the same we should understand it may have a little impact on the market meaning causing a little bear reaction due the US citizens panicking to sells off their assets on Binace exchange but after some while the market gets back it's stability. Whatever that happens to any exchange today would definitely have a negative impact on Bitcoin and altcoin price despite not relatively affected to their chains and although the turbulence may not last for a longer period of time for the affects currencies to gets back their feets. I have witnessed some exchange that was affected and instantaneously leads to price decrease within an interval of the event.

This is true but sadly crypto people mostly on social media hanging out is too dumb to realize that Binance or CZ doesn’t represent Bitcoin at all. Many supporter saying that they need to support CZ for crypto future while crypto especially Bitcoin will continue to exist and traded on other exchange.

Binance is just another exchange and we crypto people are already trading Bitcoin before the existence of Binance. Other exchange will surely step up to replace Binance in case they will collapse like FTX. We just need to brace ourselves on this temporary drawback but rest assured everything will gonna be fine.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

The sluggish reaction of Bitcoin (or the entire crypto market) to the negative news orchestrated by SEC and Binance tussle is, in my opinion, goes to show that the market is maintaining a bullish mindset. Yes, we know that Binance isn't Bitcoin and that Bitcoin is decentralized but we shouldn't jettison what ripple effects are. If this same happenstance had come up in 2022, I'm sure the entire market would've taken a beating just like what happened when the FTT exchange had issue.

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Quote from: KingsDen on June 08, 2023, 03:52:37 PM

Binance is not bitcoin, binance is an exchange.
Even if Binance winds up today, Bitcoin will still exist.

Absolutely correct!
But one thing we should know is that despite they are not the same we should understand it may have a little impact on the market meaning causing a little bear reaction due the US citizens panicking to sells off their assets on Binace exchange but after some while the market gets back it's stability. Whatever that happens to any exchange today would definitely have a negative impact on Bitcoin and altcoin price despite not relatively affected to their chains and although the turbulence may not last for a longer period of time for the affects currencies to gets back their feets. I have witnessed some exchange that was affected and instantaneously leads to price decrease within an interval of the event.

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I don't know how anyone could come up with a controversial sentiment about the issue between bitcoin and binance and how that got to relate with or ought to affect bitcoin. Except they don't know any better, cause in this very case one doesn't need to be of the technical-know-how to understand that binance and bitcoin has not connectivity as binance is just like every other exchange we can think of. Traders should be worried about BNB not BTC.

As for binance am optimistic they're gonna pull through all of these issues with the SEC as we all can perceive it's just an attack based on sentiment only that it's just not in my place to utter the obvious at least not yet.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

The first thing I looked at was Market Perception and Investor Confidence. The cryptocurrency market is very sensitive to news, regulatory developments, and market sentiment especially recent SEC and Binance issues, meaning that, negative news or regulatory scrutiny can still create uncertainty and undermine investor confidence.

The lack of significant market reaction to this issue could indicate that investors are taking a wait-and-see approach or have factored in the event into their investment decisions and is also a testament to Bitcoin's robustness and resilience as a decentralized system. However, it is important to know that market reactions may vary, and the absence of an immediate impact does not mean that the market is not affected or that all participants share the same sentiments.

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Quote from: KingsDen on June 08, 2023, 03:52:37 PM

Binance is not bitcoin, binance is an exchange.
Even if Binance winds up today, Bitcoin will still exist.

Yeah if Binance winds up today Bitcoin will still exist but it will affect the price at that moment because it will halt demand to an extent since not all Bitcoin investor understands that Binance is a mere exchange. The circulating supply too will be affected. Exchange has a big role to play in Bitcoin price just that their impact is not permanent but it must be felt on the market.

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Well, that's probably it. An attack on Binance is not an attack on Bitcoin. As KingsDen clearly spelled out, Binance is not Bitcoin. If I may add, Binance is a business entity solely created to make money. That's it.

Binance has been the subject of so many attacks through the years, some successful, some not. But all of them are never really directed at Bitcoin. So they all don't really matter. Just as Mt. Gox, Cryptopia, FTX, and many other centralized exchanges vanished while Bitcoin continued to remain alive, Binance could also die anytime and Bitcoin will stay on.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

I think you need to read the lawsuit and see that it was not a direct attack on bitcoin per se, but rather on some altcoins that SEC deems to be securities. So if investors will just have to read between the line, the price shouldn't be affected and that's what we have seen. We went down to $25k, and then bounce back to $27k. Now it's going back again to $26k and I think it will remain in this sideways pattern. I'm not really sure what you meant by social attack though, SEC bring the lawsuit so it's obvious that they are in the offensive right now.

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There are a couple of reasons in my opinion:
1. Binance is primarily an altcoin exchange and doesn't have a significant share of the bitcoin-fiat market (not to be confused with bitcoin-stablecoin market) which is the main important market when it comes to effects on the price.
2. This is not the first time an exchange is starting to face issues with authorities and it won't be the last. This is also not a big issue when compared to previous cases of exchanges running away, shutting down overnight, etc.
3. At this point there aren't as many weak hands left in the market so whenever any negative news comes out, there are less people who panic sell hence a weak reaction to any kind of negative news including the thing with Binance.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on June 08, 2023, 04:21:28 PM

I think you are getting something wrong here.

The issue between Binance and the SEC has nothing to do with Bitcoin; the reason it has a slight impact on the Bitcoin market is because Binance is one of the most popular centralized exchanges.

Even if Binance is seized or prevented from operating, Bitcoin will continue to move since it is not dependent on any other coin, unlike altcoins, the market price of which is dependent on Bitcoin's.

Maybe the original poster's view is not clear to you because it think his observation and questions are valid. Last year the fall of FTX and some other crypto-related firms affected the price of Bitcoin. The price dropped because of the FUD it caused. So Op is surprised that the attack on one of the biggest exchanges is having little or no effect on the price of Bitcoin.

Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

My observation is that:
1. Bitcoin is becoming independent from the influence of exchanges and crypto-related businesses.
2. The market was ready for the SEC onslaught against Binance because it has been expected for a long time.
3. This legal battle will only affect Binance US so other nations are stable and attack-free.
4. More people are becoming aware of decentralized wallets so they are not affected by the problems of exchanges.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

Actually I saw the price drop in Bitcoin chart at the time of issues related to Binance sued by SEC so it's clear that price affected due to that but it's very common, if anything happens related to cryptocurrency will affect the prices for short term that is what exactly happened with this instance as well. No need to worry about Bitcoin because fall of exchange will not seize the operation of bitcoin and FTX can be the best possible example to prove this.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

There's no possible way that SEC and Binance issue will affect Bitcoin. Even if Binance crashed today, Bitcoin will still exist.

I don't know why many people can't understand that the future of Bitcoin is not in the hands of any exchange, be it Binance, kucoin, Coinbase, etc.

While most Bitcoin holders maybe have held their Bitcoins in exchanges, some people have lost confidence in exchanges.

So, NO, the SEC and Binance issue is not going to affect the bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology.

It's only a dumb novice will assume this to be as well applicable on bitcoin because if one knows about bitcoin indeed there will be no thought on this regards no matter how, this isn't the first time exchanges will be falling, but in case of Binance, it's just an attack aimed at them and not the bitcoin network, Binance will finds it way out by all means or comply to their request, CZ is not Satoshi or the controller of the whole decentralized network, they are two different things here, Binance is an exchange being challenged by government regulations, which has nothing to do with the bitcoin network or market price.

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Lol, this is funny, this whole SEC action would have affected Bitcoin so much if the SUE is on Bitcoin, but the SEC never mentioned any Bitcoin, and Bitcoin is the father of all crypto, so it's expected that this won't affect the market that much.

Binance exchange is not Bitcoin and it has no relation with Bitcoin in every way.

The type of hunting that suits the SEC is going after centralized exchanges, and if they somehow fail to accomplish their goals, it's going to be the craziest bull market in 2025, I do hope for this to happen, let's hope I am right.

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Time and time again we see these headlines intended to shake weak hands. As Bitcoin matures and solidifies it's dominance these articles and actions have less effect on BTC itself. Don't get me wrong some of these coins prices are directly tied to Bitcoin but nothing could bring it down as a whole not for too long anyways., Bitcoin always seems to do a good job of washing it's hands of bad news.

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My conviction that people still think of Bitcoin as a private company or in the same traditional way of thinking is increasing day by day. The term "social attack" cannot be used here.

All that happens is the market’s interaction with such news, where some can get this news and thus sell short at $27,000 because they are convinced that the price will drop in order to buy again at a low price, but when the price fell, many decided that it was an appropriate opportunity to enter at the support point So the price rebounded.

Also, the price of Bitcoin has become positively interacting with regulatory restrictions, as it is good in the long run for most investors (although it may be bad for the network).

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology.

Some are senseless already about the issue on government anti crypto rally or trend. Though Binance are put into this kind of things. People on bitcoin infustry wouldnt badge abiut this, remember how many fud are circulating against different platform especially on cex when it comes to being an anti-crypto. Also Binance is the number one exchange and these things are only for Binance US customer. They really think they can do whatever they wanted.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is

Because Binance is a biggest exchange with huge capital of millions of user stored in their Binance account. If Binance collapses, like FTX did, it will create bigger impacts on the market. People are fearful about it latest weeks but it started since late of 2022. The lawsuit from SEC. is an escalation from what we knew.

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because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct?

You can consider it as social attack, legal attack or part of China - USA trade war but as individual cryptocurrency user, we can not verify that information. It can be fud or can be real.

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I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

Binance if collapses won't relate to Bitcoin network. You are discussing about Bitcoin price on cryptocurrency market which will be affected if a biggest exchange collapses.

Binance collapse can have short term impact on Bitcoin network because as its consequence, Binance Pool will stop its operation too.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

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big or small impact, it all depends on market acceptance of the circulating news. Binance is an exchange, the two are indeed something different. but both will probably have an impact on each other. a market built on a belief in Bitcoin. Likewise, Binance builds a marketplace with community trust. when negative news is given but the community in the market doesn't overreact, then the impact may not be that big.

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Quote from: KingsDen on June 08, 2023, 03:52:37 PM

Binance is not bitcoin, binance is an exchange.
Even if Binance winds up today, Bitcoin will still exist.

This is typically "A long story short"
And I wouldn't blame op because most times when I was still ery new in the industry, I at some point felt that binance was the office exchange of bitcoin as well as trustwallet which were both owned by cz, and you'll agree with me that this both names( bonance and trustwallet) are one of the big names in the industry and anyone can easily feel or think cz is in charge because of the way he dominates the industry.

Op it is very correct that the market will be affected greatly if anything happens to either trustwallet or binance because this seems to be the big boys of the industry but you shoukd know that the market will definitely bounce back.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

While SEC is attacking a company and not network, let's just still take the thought that you have through the BRC20 tokens. We've seen how it has affected Bitcoin network for the past weeks and how it made the transaction fees quite high and clogged the network as per mempool.
Although there is a huge difference for both of them but news do influence the market itself and we've seen a motion for the price. Whilst we saw how BRC20 craze made the network clogged, the price wasn't moved by inch of it but only the fees.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

Following up with the issue between sec and Binance I have come to the realization that truly CZ look unbordered and judging from his recent tweet indeed it looks like he is not answering the court order in person but the company lawyer will attend to the legal documents and procedures and this point to the seriousness of this court order.

So I am not surprised that this doesn't have much impact on the price of Bitcoin, this is not the kind of bad news that could affect the market since it doesn't affect abundance operations in anyways.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on June 08, 2023, 04:21:28 PM

I think you are getting something wrong here.

The issue between Binance and the SEC has nothing to do with Bitcoin; the reason it has a slight impact on the Bitcoin market is because Binance is one of the most popular centralized exchanges.

Even if Binance is seized or prevented from operating, Bitcoin will continue to move since it is not dependent on any other coin, unlike altcoins, the market price of which is dependent on Bitcoin's.

But the issue is what that has making many people to be afraid of bitcoins, many people is uses one exchange to exchange their Bitcoin will panick concerning Binance issue presently, if I say that this issues is affecting other exchange's I'm not mistaken before theirs a delay in some exchange transaction but I don't know if it's happening generally

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It is because it has no direct link to bitcoin, even the regulatory rules that binance were charged for are actually for security tokens and not even bitcoin. More so binance US isn’t the world’s binance so it won’t have any serious impact. What will have had a bigger impact will have been if all the bitcoin the binance exchange had, had been forced to convert into another coin or the exchange was hacked and all coins were moved. But even so it will just be a temporary hit too because bitcoin would still recover, Mt.Gox had a greater impact and bitcoin bounced back

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I think you are getting something wrong here.

The issue between Binance and the SEC has nothing to do with Bitcoin; the reason it has a slight impact on the Bitcoin market is because Binance is one of the most popular centralized exchanges.

Even if Binance is seized or prevented from operating, Bitcoin will continue to move since it is not dependent on any other coin, unlike altcoins, the market price of which is dependent on Bitcoin's.

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Quote from: alastantiger on June 08, 2023, 03:42:47 PM

The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

What you mean by "social attack"?

From my understanding, the lack of significant reaction in the Bitcoin market could be attributed to the fact that the SEC's actions are primarily focused on altcoins and the platforms associated with them, rather than directly targeting Bitcoin. In fact, one could see this as a bullish sign for Bitcoin. Also, this situation is localized to the US and may not have a widespread impact globally. From where I stand, why should I even bother about the SEC suing some company over there? I mean, does it really affect me or anyone outside that jurisdiction?

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Even if Binance winds up today, Bitcoin will still exist.

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The reason why the bitcoin market is not reacting so much to the SEC and Binance issue as much as we may have expected is because it appears to be more of a social attack rather than a direct attack on bitcoin network protocol, mining operations or blockchain technology. The market would have reacted differently if it was an attack on the network. Am I correct? I don't know much about the technical aspect of Bitcoin, but this is the best possible explanation I can think of for what is happening. Is there anyone else who shares the same sentiments?

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