Topic: Is there discrimination in the forum (Read 809 times)

I think it is open on the forum. Everyone’s speech is free. In some discussions, everyone may have a different point of view and a different way of understanding the problem. After all, different people from different countries discuss this forum together. Yes, the forums communicate with each other. There is no way to control the comments that make you feel bad. You can choose to ignore him. Countries have different perspectives, and there is no way to make them feel the same.

"Is there discrimination in the forum"

Yes between forum members however the forum itself is so nondiscriminatory that it allows it.


Here are a couple of your own quotes from the topic you're referencing

You said:
"China will not go out because it does not want to get a vaccine or wear a mask, because China's education penetration rate is much higher than that of Western countries. Nor do they drink disinfectant water to prevent covid-19."


I'm American----we don't drink disinfectant water to prevent covid-19
P.S. I didn't vote for the president who said that ;-)

You said:
"Everyone has a say, and everyone decides the direction together? No, there will never be a consensus, there will always be stupid people who cast their stupid votes.
So my dear, “free-thinking puppet”, can you still live under your caste system??"


I'm not judging (too harshly), I have strong negative feelings about caste systems as well, just pointing out how easy it is to act in  what could be considered a discriminatory fashion (because you did).



It's good that you are searching the forum for clarity, however; not always so good to create entire threads because you have a disagreement with someone on the forum (use it sparingly). It looks like you will fit in just fine as long as you realize how quickly sharp words can escalate.

Also economics is exactly the right section for that post:
China has ironically been the closest thing to free market capitalism for the past 30-40 years *except for its government's ability to halt it at will.

And this is one example why China gets frequently discussed here...

https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-trends/article/3145445/shenzhen-branch-peoples-bank-china-shows-zero-tolerance-approach

discrimination breeds in all corners of the world, it's in humans' mind of the globe
the atmosphere here in our forum is way better than that of reddit where a large number of users despise Chinese and the colored. bad thing
understandable if someone resents China because this country released some policies to bring the price of cryptocurrency down. But I feel it understandable as well for at that time, many of its citizens fell for cryptocurrency and went broke, it's recommended for government to control the situation and we all know that governments of almost all countries are trying to find a way to rein crypto market, that offered me a great opportunity to buy in the dip...
our forum is good, as of now. it's few users to blame.

Lol what ?!  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-crimes-matter-the-817-serial-predators-5259552

People here come from different countries and different civilizations, and people experience different things. Sometimes what we see in the media may be completely opposite to what they are suffering. You can speak your own opinions, and of course you have to respect the right of others to express their opinions. What you think is completely up to you.

I have reviewed all your posts, your views on China or India are based on all your education, so please also accept other people’s views that are different from yours

It is a forum, the debate of ideas is the priority even those that are not, but that in any case the important thing here is that the "rags" and "diapers" are washed on each board where the discussion begins. Unless required by cheater, liar, etc. but there is even a report button there.

Some time ago I saw a similar title for another Topic, I think that this type of subject is very far from the reality of the good vibes that exists even when you can have different opinions.

This is an internet forum dedicated to Bitcoin. Every other kind of discussion like Politics & Society, Off-Topic and Serious discussion do not belong to the same category and they're surely very subjectively discussed. These are the reason why most of the forums decide to write rules; some people may be easily offended and some may easily offend.

Yes, you see this is one of the forum's problems. People avoid posting on the subforums whose campaign isn't paying, no matter if they suit the topic in the proper section.

Just an addition; Hitler wasn't “just” a dictator, but a nazi. This was much more intensive socially and economically.

It's quite literally all in your mind

If you "get triggered" based on what someone far far away types on his computer, you should seriously reevaluate your priorities in life!

I am sorry I misunderstood what you mean by saying there is a lot of people from different backgrounds and I thought you mean it was acceptable because of that reason I am not trying to argue. I agree with you if you mean that there is a lot of people and its impossible to control their actions without taking freedom of speech away but we should hold them responsible  if they are being racist. We have the trust system and I think leaving a neutral feedback for being excessively racist is a justified response.

People hiding behind a computer screen are more aggressive then they would be in person I think everyone gets more triggered online because of that reason.

Adapt to the whole internet itself, OP and not just here in the forum.

Do you play video games? In some gaming community, you'll encounter a lot of people saying "git gud", "nub u suk" "ur mom is _____ ", "*insert racist words here*" and I am not sure how you take that word if someone told you that when you are not performing well in your game.

You mentioned that you're thick-skinned person outside the internet and that would be a perk for you to adapt around the internet, especially that you don't even know nor see the person you're interacting with around the internet.

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Seeing this conversation, I almost laughed, I support you to enter the cheeky gang.

I'm still getting used to this name. You know, it often takes a while to get used to a personal setting.

yes, I will slowly adapt to the forum.Nothing is more important than "Thick-Skinned“

lol is interesting. Can I join? Or I need to add a few centimeters to my skin.

What exactly are you disagreeing on, that people aren't racist or what? I never said they have a right to be racist but just giving a heads up. One way or the other we all have a little bit of racist behavior in us. Some are obvious than others but it's what it's. You can't stop people from been who they are or who they want to be, even in the so called civilized world that you'll think due to the fact that they are more educated they shouldn't be seen exhibiting racist behavior yet they're by far more racists found in those part of the world, talk less of a forum that give individual the power to hide behind their computer and becomes bullies.

Sure if you see someone not doing the right thing, it's required of you to take action in trying to convince that user to stop but when they don't, you don't have to kill yourself over what you don't have any control of. You just have to move on, you're just letting them win when you make them realize that their actions are hurting you, instead if them stopping, they'll take it a step further.. If anyone is been racist towards you, you just have to ignore them or if you feel the post is off topic report to moderator for deletion.

Allow me to show you an exception to this rule of thumb: Escrow Service of Bl4nkcode. He's from the Philippines and has been running a successful escrow service for years.
But he could just as well have never posted on his local board to hide that if he wanted.
That's the beauty of being anonymous

Their is discrimination here but in logical ways..

For example, I have seen instances of not allowing users from poorer 3rd world countries to become escrows because the money is so much more of a motive for them because they could basically retire off of a modest scammed amount and never be caught because their governments are not capable of handling anything..

For example the phillipeans or India..
Would you disagree that no matter how much someone portrays to be trustworthy, if they are in such a position that a modest scam could possibly dirastially change their lives, with little risk of repercussion, that they should never be allowed to be trusted with such an opportunity?

It is how it is..



For me it is completely person to person..
If you are incredible intelligent and from Sudan then you are just incredible intelligent to me..

Geniuses happen to come from everywhere, no matter their average..
One would be a fool to assume that the averages from every place and creed on earth are equal though..

You can be PC all you want, but it would more likely lead you to mistakes than using the available information to your advantage..

Look at the post he quoted in the OP, in that same thread, the OP has posted multiple times, including this post.
As Poker Player alluded to above, the CCP does not have to worry about elections or what its people want when making decisions, and planning for the future.

I would not give the CCP credit for turning China into a major economic power. I think we have the Clinton administration and greedy corporate executives focused on short-term profit for that. The average income in China is about $14,550 per year, which is barely over the poverty level in the US for one person and is below the poverty level for two people living in a household.

The Chinese market is very large, and Western companies have invested billions, if not trillions of dollars in China. The CCP has demanded that western companies operate a joint venture in China that is majority-owned by a Chinese company. This has resulted in short-term profits for companies that have entered the Chinese marketplace, but at the expense of having their IP and other trade secrets stolen, that over the long term will result in greater losses for Western companies than what they made in the short run.

I would compare the CCP, and president Xi, to the Nazis and Hitler. Both have a goal of world domination, and both systematically killed and imprisoned a minority religious group, the Jews in the case of the Nazis, and the Uighurs in the case of the CCP. The key difference is that the CCP is much more patient than the Nazis were. The Nazis started a world war to attempt to achieve world domination, while the CCP has instead infiltrated institutions to make the world more friendly to the CCP. 

I disagree I think just because there are people here with different backgrounds does not give them the right to be racist. If someone is being racist we should hold them responsible for their words and actions and punish them. I do not mean banning them but as a community we can hold them responsible. Racists do not have the right to express their views unless they do it in a appropriate manner but I have never met a racist that does that.

The problem lately seems to be that the party decided that they're too open and they need to enforce control in more places / companies.
And yeah, I am not convinced on how opened they were for real either, since the news that reach us are "filtered" so we are told almost only what makes them look good.

I've seen so many discriminations here .. I give you an example topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-is-policing-this-guy-please-the-pharmacist-default-trustjoke-2806313
But you must deal with it, this is the internet you can do what ever you want, you can mock anyone as long as you're anonymous.You can be feel safe  

That's what real democracies have. Since they are held every 4 years and there is rivalry between parties, few politicians make plans that go much further. In contrast, in a totalitarian system you can plan for many years ahead. That happened in dictatorships and in the old communist regimes. How well or poorly they worked was another matter. Hitler's plans worked out very well for him for years. Stalin, Mao and others also had a lot of planning power but they did not understand how the economy works, and the results were a disaster.

The best thing China did was to open up to capitalism, which is why it has lifted so many people out of poverty and is able to buy up half the world. Opening up the economy to create wealth and using the wealth created strategically to acquire more power in the world is what has made them so strong.

There is only difference of thoughts and viewpoints among members who can argue at some point but if you talk about discrimination on any basis then i don't agree with on it.The forum has huge user base and daily hundreds of threads are made and people share their thoughts on them and provide information for the same and there is full guarantee that there could be thought conflict among members but don't need to take it personally man.Situations are different for each member and you can't force anybody to share same thought process as yours but the best part is to take it all as discussion process and move on and best you can do is to make effective posting with keeping no negative image in your mind.Your work will prove your worth so no need to indulge in such things which won't matter in the long run.

At first I thought there was but later began to see that generally the forum isn't racist so why should the members be. The forum has created equal opportunity for all just as how Bitcoin created equal opportunity for all race and not giving certain race advantage over others. I was a victim of racial abused but notice those doing that are just trolls that don't matter. I have gotten few feedback for originating from my region of the world but since those feedback didn't have any impact on my account I didn't take them to heart, you shouldn't too.

You're on a forum with people from different backgrounds so expect the worst of behavior, there's no doubt we might have those that are racist here but if there actions don't have any negative impact on your account, just ignore them and continue with the mission that brought you here which I believe should be acquiring more knowledge or engaging with like minds.

I think the question you asked is a bit naive.

1. Every country has its own historical background and culture, and each country adopts a social system suitable for its own country. You think your country has more advantages, and they think their country has more advantages. Each system has its advantages and disadvantages. Under each system, there are happiness and misfortune, darkness and light. This is not racial discrimination. This is because of different directions of thinking. Just like religious beliefs, different beliefs are different. There is no discrimination.

2. I think you should be clear that what the forum brings you to discuss on every issue, precipitating the content of the discussion, is like a melting pot, bringing together the culture and knowledge of various countries, making us more open-minded and more comprehensive in information. If it's all controversy, and start to engage in racial discrimination, then there will only be wars and curses.

3.I think you have made a fuss, maybe you should go around the world, and your vision will be broadened, and your heart will become the ocean.Please adapt to the characteristics of the forum and allow different voices to appear before the content can be presented.
Don't be too fragile. I have heard of the May Fourth Movement in China. You should exercise your perseverance like the young people at that time.

I hadn't checked his post history.

As much as I don't like the CCP, their progress is impressive. They've turned a third world country into a major economic player. But they're trying to gain influence everywhere, up to local municipalities in my country, so it doesn't surprise me they do the same on internet forums.
It's especially impressive how they can just plan long-term. In the West, most politicians don't look further than the next elections. In the USA, Democrats and Republicans waste a lot of resources in undoing what the other party did before them. The Chinese one-party system makes long-term planning a reality.

Their is no discrimination or sentiment to community but people just exaggerates that on their own that such exist here, even at time people feel that someone hate them because the person don't use to award Merit to them, while Merit is primary something that is well understood that while awarding  Merit to somebody is because you personally like the post, see op it's obvious that newbies that is not doing well always think someone hate them, at times when old user try to correct newbies they feel it's an insult or someone is taking them for granted, no one is ready to oppress or intimidate any person, but they will correct an impression if it's needful, just keep on moving.

As a CCP apologist/propagandist, the OP should be condemned in the strongest way possible.

The CCP can only be described as an evil organization that oppresses over a billion people and whose goal is to oppress billions more. They commit mass murder and steal from billions.

Do I see discrimination and hate speech towards Chinese people in that post of his? No, I don't.
Do I see a dislike of a regime and government? Yes I do.
Do I think that's a bad thing? No I don't.

Just because you are Chinese that doesn't mean you have to agree with what your government does. Distinguish the two, there is a big difference. I dislike the Chinese government due to their censorship, their child policy, for the way certain doctors who spoke out against their government magically disappeared, for the way they treat the Uyghurs, or for the way they handled the bitcoin mining situation.

That doesn't mean that I associate a Chinese person with the Chinese government and that I have anything against that person when I see, here, or talk to one. The same way I don't consider the citizens of my country responsible for what the retards in power do. That also doesn't make me anti-China or pro-America or pro/against anything. I don't like the orange baby that ruled the States for four years either, but I have no problem with American people. I still hope they don't find oil on the Balkans though  

Let's sum up:

• Offend the Chinese - CHECK
• Offend the Americans - CHECK

The only right answer

Discrimination and racism is all part of freedom of speech. You can't have freedom of speech without someone else having the same freedom, and as I once read: freedom of speech is especially necessary for controversial subjects! You don't need freedom of speech to say bunnies are fluffy.
So if someone wants to discriminate: let them! Use ignore if you want, discuss with them, try to change their mind (as if that's ever worked on the internet) or just move on with your day. Who cares what an anonymous person on the internet says? See my personal text to see how much I care.

Besides, as long as hell doesn't freeze over, you can have any race, nationality or gender you want on Bitcointalk. There's an attack helicopter as Global Moderator, that's all fine

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Plus the fact that I was born under the sign of Pisces.

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Yeah, I have no doubt there's discrimination on the forum, though I haven't noticed (or participated in) much of it lately.  China is a bit of a ticklish subject in a lot of people's minds these days, so it's not surprising to see even blatant anti-Chinese sentiment being expressed.  I'm pretty sure I've posted some myself.  However, I want to clarify something on my part: I have nothing against Chinese people; I have a problem with the Chinese government.  

I also don't care for the Chinese culture of counterfeiting goods, and if you can argue that that isn't a thing, good luck with that.

A few years ago I had a problem with Filippino shitposters, and I regret that I made some pretty bad statements directed against them--I was fed up with the shitposting, and everything I wrote just reeked of nationalistic bile.  For the record, I have nothing against the Philippines or Filippinos or any other nationality or race.  Sure, there are aspects of different cultures I don't like, but when I meet people in real life and it's just two people talking....all of that goes away, magically.  So I guess I've changed.

However, even if there is prejudice, racism, or discrimination on bitcointalk, it's fully allowed.  I wouldn't even want to change that, because it would mean the mods would be censoring thought, however offensive it might be.  If you feel you're on the receiving end of any of that, it's up to you to defend yourself, and you should do so without fear of retaliation, IMO.  One thing about being a member of the forum is that you ought to have a fairly thick skin.  If you don't, you should thicken your skin ASAP.

Well said.

No discrimination here, not even against the elderly.

I often see drama on this forum-not discrimination-some suggestions in this thread, might be worth considering for you in the future-continuation.

If you don't want to get burned, don't make a fire let alone try to pour gasoline, flush with water to cool it.

this-a good question.
What this fits into a definition of Neuroticfish, quite classic.

http://www.neuroticfish.com/

Maybe this is more dangerous and scary.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ghoul

The forum does not have any rule about ethnic discrimination. The forum is opened for all and it is big enough to have some conflicts of interests, opinions inside.

You can agree or disagree with another and you could be right about that specific person. However, if you generalize it too much, you would be seriously wrong. There are good and bad people in same nation, same local area.

Control yourself, on what you write, what you want to read. If things are not your favorite, ignore them (members, topics, boards). Don't let such ones expose your eyes and let you unable to control your discussions. Then you will never fall into discrimination.

OP you need to match your nickname. You should not pay attention to everyone who somehow disagrees with your point of view. If you are completely unhappy with the posts of the person who addresses you, just click on the ignore button. And you will no longer see a letter addressed to you from the villain.
This is a forum, it is anonymous, people may not necessarily be who you think they are.
Don't get into the snowflake generation, wear thick leather and be bulletproof. (no matter how strange it may seem)

People saying mean things to you or about you isn't really discrimination. You can still say your thing and even be mean to others if you think that's needed to counter the other mean users (usually it isn't).

Discrimination IMO would be e.g. moderators deleting posts of certain groups of users based entirely on who those users are and not on whether they break the rules. I don't think that's happening.

Also keep in mind that personal attacks are typically against the rules (off topic, low value posts) so if someone posts something that is entirely targeted at you and not at the topic of the thread - you can report it to moderators. However if the post is only partially off topic, it will likely stay. This is where the "Ignore" feature comes in handy.

Simply an observation. Many of us probably thought that werent offended anyone by our thoughts or opinion targeting someone. But this is a forum and we must be professional, only those who arent fond of a healthy conversation is likely explode in such heated conversation.

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OP there is nothing to worry we are free to vocal ourself here.

You are right, the most important thing is to be yourself.I firmly believe that I will stay in the forum long enough.

LOl，I still hope that I can be like my name-The Ghoul (this is actually an anime name).I will refute the opinions that I do not agree with without hesitation.

Thanks，NeuroticFish. Can you tell me what your name stands for？


Maybe we have different political views or positions. But it does not prevent us from being friends.

After all, this is a Bitcoin forum, not a political forum, nor a place for bipartisan competition.

No. There is no discrimination in this forum at all. And precisely here there is a respect for freedom of expression that there is not (anymore) in other parts of the internet, especially in social media.

I myself have argued a lot with advocates of pro-communist or radical leftist policies. With moderate leftists too, but with them I usually reach common ground. I was amused by one thing he replies to you:


LOL. I could have told you the same thing. Which is not to say that I discriminate against you.

There are a lot of individuals writing on this forum. Expecting all to be open minded, expecting all not discriminating, expecting all think like you is by far too much.
You will find all kind of people here, some nice, some rude, some helpful, some trolling, some discriminating, some not. So what? That's how the world is, after all. Learn to pay attention to only what you find useful for yourself and ignore gracefully the rest. Of course, you can start disputing ideas too, but don't expect that always the smarter argument wins (again, like in real world too, some will not accept that argument no matter what).

All in all, it's a good forum. The variety is just spicing it up a little. Enjoy your raid here, if you'll stay long enough you'll probably find your way and you'll like it.


Edit: and @YOSHIE also has a good point. Try to not be offended too easy and keep your mind open; some things may not even be as you think (in this case discrimination).

Thank you, I will continue to learn.
This website is great, thank you.
The most important thing is not the disagreement between him and me. The most important thing is the title of this topic-Is there discrimination in the forum，This should be no problem in the mate section.

I also want to know that everyone gets information about China from those news media.Thanks

Thank you, I will review the rules carefully. I should have not violated the rules so far. Thanks for reminding.

I saw what was written by: @amishmanish, and I read over and over again, I didn't find any elements (Discrimination) that lead to: religion, age, race, and sexuality, which was written by: @amishmanish I think it's based on a true story about china, believe it or not, that's the reality conveyed by: @amishmanish.

So, what made you, to make this topic in (Meta), are you cornered, offended or not accept the criticism written by: @amishmanish.

Maybe you should learn more about a country for example: (china)/communists more in their actions so far against other countries, maybe if you ask and look at some media, most likely they will answer as answered by: @amishmanish, So, there's nothing wrong with that criticism.

As far as I know this forum has freedom of speech, as long as there are no violations, such as the rules: (1),(2),(3),(4),(7) and some other rules, if you do not accept criticism by: @amishmanish, you have to give a reasonable reason for the criticism, to @amishmanish, that it is wrong or something is right.

I have never seen any discrimination in the forum. Also don’t take it to heart even if there is discrimination.

You know this is the "Bitcoin" forum. If you want to learn Bitcoin knowledge and technology, you are welcome. You have come to the right place.

If you want to talk about politics, there may not be many people who are very professional in politics and history. You may need to find a "political" forum.

Many people think that their views are correct（Whether it's correct or not）, and here is also full of conspiracy theories.If you don’t like these, please ignore them，Just focus on Bitcoin itself.

This is some Bitcoin knowledge:https://www.lopp.net/bitcoin-information/getting-started.html

People can not think the same way, but irrespective of this, I did not notice any racial discrimination. Just post good and continue enjoying the forum.

The cause of the incident was that I had a dispute with a member of a forum in the economic sector because of a point of view.

The title of the post is China-everything is fine! But everything is bad ...（To be honest, I don't think this topic belongs to the economic sector. I think it’s more appropriate to put it in the Politics & Society）

But this is not the point of the problem. The crux of the problem is that he mentioned in his reply：

I would like to ask, is there such a statement or discrimination circulating in the forum?I’m not sure if there is a certain unspoken rule for a certain nation, a certain culture.Please let me know if so.

If yes, can you give some examples of racial discrimination or ethnic discrimination.If not, that would be great.

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being specifically targeted by Chinese handlers

What I want to say is that before that I just checked the post silently and responded to the post. I have never published any topics about China.

Of course I am very grateful to friends who share knowledge in the forum. I will continue to study and also avoid getting into political discussions.

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I personally respect all races, all nationalities.My reply to amishmanish was just because I was angry.