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Quote from: _BlackStar on October 11, 2022, 05:03:32 AM

The OP has also not responded to anything since september 18th,

He won't be back for a while, at least not through the drama stirring alt accounts of his that seem to have accidentally given away by the main account and were discovered

His other alt Panglima Perang mistakenly posted a signed message from an address that was posted by TopT3ns (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59206470) which has since been deleted.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on October 11, 2022, 03:03:15 AM

Why did you not pm the Campaign Manager to seek clarification in dialogue with him if you weren't in anyway trying to undermine him? I believe that should've been the most sensible thing to do in a honest inquisitive case like this. Well, to answer your question, that's not a paid bump. Whenever a CM does that it should mean two things – 1. It creates more awareness for the CM and his business and 2. It brings the business he's promoting to more awareness in the face of the public. It's a harmless publicity both ways.

Maybe it's sentiment, or I can think of something else. But I don't think CryptopreneurBrainboss has any obligation to clarify here.

The OP could have easily gotten clarification if he had sent a single pm CryptopreneurBrainboss, but he didn't because he probably wanted to get people's attention by creating a thread. But what, this only ended badly for him. The OP has also not responded to anything since september 18th, so I don't think there's anything so significant to bump this thread again.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager. He may not be aware of it either, and in order not to cause this to ban accounts that may not be aware that this may be a violation of one of the rules on the forum.

Why did you not pm the Campaign Manager to seek clarification in dialogue with him if you weren't in anyway trying to undermine him? I believe that should've been the most sensible thing to do in a honest inquisitive case like this. Well, to answer your question, that's not a paid bump. Whenever a CM does that it should mean two things – 1. It creates more awareness for the CM and his business and 2. It brings the business he's promoting to more awareness in the face of the public. It's a harmless publicity both ways.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 17, 2022, 08:20:22 PM

I don't understand why so many of you insist that I should use my original account.

It is because almost all the forum users think that posting anything negative from the alternative account is just for trolling and the thing is not perfect. There should have nothing negative and also there should have no reason behind hiding self-identity. The real account you may not use to avoid any negative effect on your account too.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on September 18, 2022, 06:43:55 PM

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It makes you look more like a self-righteous joker. If you don't like the ways of a campaign manager or if you think she or he is unethical, then what are you doing thinking about even joining any of his campaigns?

Ironic isn't it?
You will need to join a campaign to earn from signature spamming so you can not talk against the campaign mangers. Are these people financially biased or politically biased? I think these people does not have balls. They do not have an identity at all.

If they are such afraid to express their opinion from an online account (it's just an account) then imagine in real life how coward but dangerous these people for their society. People like them are trouble maker but they do it hiding behind others.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 17, 2022, 08:20:22 PM

I don't understand why so many of you insist that I should use my original account.

It's because we are tired of trolls who use alt accounts to cause drama around. If you think what you are bringing up is valid, then using your original account shouldn't be a problem.

Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 17, 2022, 08:20:22 PM

And since we are going to address a topic related to campaign managers, one of them may not like my opinion, and when I want to participate in a campaign he manages, he may reject me based on these situations, and this is permissible.

It makes you look more like a self-righteous joker. If you don't like the ways of a campaign manager or if you think she or he is unethical, then what are you doing thinking about even joining any of his campaigns?

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager. He may not be aware of it either, and in order not to cause this to ban accounts that may not be aware that this may be a violation of one of the rules on the forum.

You've rightly stated that this wasn't an accusation but just a clarifier so, I would take you up on that and see the possibility of this slander to be just a means to clarify.

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If you were really following up with this campaign, you would have discovered or quickly noted that, the above quote and highlighted in bold is an error of the below as that, was going to be quality as before. The post quota is already enough quantity to a manger as the requirement but still would be happy for more as to promotional ends too.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 17, 2022, 08:20:22 PM

I don't understand why so many of you insist that I should use my original account.

Feel free to use this theymos quote every time someone complains about you being afraid to use your main account.

Quote from: theymos on August 28, 2012, 04:17:31 PM

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

And to answer your question, manager didn't make it a requirement to post in those threads, so I don't think that he broke any rules. Better luck next time Tongue

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 17, 2022, 08:20:22 PM

I don't understand why so many of you insist that I should use my original account.

If your accusations are true, you should not be afraid. But we see that you yourself are not sure about this. And this is a situation that can develop from nothing into a drama.
And then, if you consider the manager to be so wrong—if he breaks the rules—is it logical that you should participate in his company?
First, you must reach an agreement with yourself, and then you must blame the person who believes the forum.

usually such behavior can indicate that he is actually a participant in the manager's bounty campaign in question. not even only worried about the main account, it is likely that another concern is that the alt account used to cheat in the campaign can also be exposed.

I think he has some personal grudge against the campaign manager. that's what made him publicize such accusations. afraid of not being accepted into future bounty campaigns because of his accusations. maybe it was natural to do, but there was something he was hiding.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 17, 2022, 08:20:22 PM

I don't understand why so many of you insist that I should use my original account.

If your accusations are true, you should not be afraid. But we see that you yourself are not sure about this. And this is a situation that can develop from nothing into a drama.
And then, if you consider the manager to be so wrong—if he breaks the rules—is it logical that you should participate in his company?
First, you must reach an agreement with yourself, and then you must blame the person who believes the forum.

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I don't understand why so many of you insist that I should use my original account.

I use an alternative account so that no one crazy from DT comes and puts me a negative feedback based on his understanding of things and there are many cases where some members have been wronged just because they have different ideas than the members on the DT list.
And since we are going to address a topic related to campaign managers, one of them may not like my opinion, and when I want to participate in a campaign he manages, he may reject me based on these situations, and this is permissible. I find this a compelling reason to use an alternate account for any member who would like to discuss topics related to members reputation.

I hope you learn to discuss ideas without personalizing. I present ideas for discussion, whether you like my method or not. You can give your opinion on the ideas that I present or be silent if you do not see anything that violates forum rules or is an unjustified attack.
I think we've had enough of drama over the past years.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager. He may not be aware of it either, and in order not to cause this to ban accounts that may not be aware that this may be a violation of one of the rules on the forum.

If you were so concerned then you should have inquired from him about the issue through PM rather than use an alt account to "accuse" from here. Obviously it's an accuse. If it wasn't, you would be using your main account.

I see no big deal in the quotes you presented.

That's the right thing to do if he is concerned about the action of a CM, not putting him in the spotlight, so those who hate the CM for declining their application in the past will voice their displeasure against the bounty manager, in the case of Brainboss he is so easy to deal with, his telegram is open for communication, I know this he is once my manager in one of the campaign he managed in the past.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on August 30, 2022, 01:17:00 AM

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Can this be considered as "Paid Bumps"?

Paid Bump is not allowed by the forum policy. It may result to permanently ban all users engaged including the campaign manager responsible.

I see this as something not worth giving much concentration on because if you give it a closer look yourself OP, you will discover that participants were not paid for that, instead they were strictly paid on their signature campaign enrollment and the manager does not specifically stated it that if you don't post on their ANN thread you won't get paid, the whole situation here is clear enough to justifies itself as purely inline with the rules, no one is above a mistake but i think the manager is also experienced enough in this field as well.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

Can this be considered as "Paid Bumps"?

According to the evidence you provided in the OP? No.
Since the CM didn't set up a rule that's mandatory for the campaign participants to post in the casino ANN thread wish is against the forum rules. But technically, every campaign participant ought to post in the ANN thread the company they represent as proof of their commitment and concern to the casino.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 03, 2022, 12:43:07 AM

I personally feel that users in a campaign should respect the company that hired them and make a post here and there in a company thread, but as multiple others have said, you cannot force or ask that of the users. Think of it as job protection, the more exposure a company feels they are getting, the more likely they are to keep a campaign going.

^^ Exactly this! The company pays all the participants in the campaign, and the company wants to keep their thread active and visible. Anyone with half a brain cell should put two and two together.
I think it is at least polite to write something in their main topic from time to time, regardless of the fact that you are not required to do so.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 03, 2022, 12:43:07 AM

Uh huh, that's why you are hiding behind an alt like a pussy.

Good point there.

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Yea, this is allowed. The manager isn't forcing nor paying for comment there. I have seen often participants don't engage on the official announcement thread of the company that is paying for signature. But if they expect a review or constructive discussion from you then nothing is wrong. It's not just about bump thread. The company can bump itself every 24 hours. But review or constructive discussion helps them to reach more potential customers. Nothing wrong if it's not paid review or bump.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager. He may not be aware of it either, and in order not to cause this to ban accounts that may not be aware that this may be a violation of one of the rules on the forum.

If you were so concerned then you should have inquired from him about the issue through PM rather than use an alt account to "accuse" from here. Obviously it's an accuse. If it wasn't, you would be using your main account.

I see no big deal in the quotes you presented.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager.

You just voice out your aim in disguise. Judging from your point of view, it seems you're involved in some kinda cheat and got caught by CM hence, you're trying to retaliate by all means. The CM is not new to the forum and I doubt if you know more about forum rules than him. This frame up is just dead on arrival.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 02, 2022, 04:43:07 PM

It's not a must that the participants must post there. If the campaign rules were saying "you must post in thread x and X or else you won't be paid" then that would be considered a push to make participants bump the thread.

I don't see any problem with CryptopreneurBrainboss' request

I have to agree. That is a simply summary and explanation regarding the situation.

Quote from: shasan on September 02, 2022, 11:39:40 PM

Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

Can this be considered as "Paid Bumps"?

Paid Bump is not allowed by the forum policy. It may result to permanently ban all users engaged including the campaign manager responsible.

It cant be considered as paid bump as the campaign manager has not offered any payment for posting on the announcement thread. Everyone can say to visit his website or something if they like. If the campaign manager told you must have to post on the announcement thread or the campaign manager told there will be no payment if not posted on the announcement thread then we could say paid bump and the campaign manager could be accused.

For campaign managers it can be on occasion a difficult line between promoting the brand and posting in the thread that promotes the brand. In any campaign by any campaign manager if there was a quota to bump any thread or something like that then issues of paid bumps could be discussed but as you rightly said there is nothing like that going on here.

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what the campaign manager does is very normal. they are working on a project and any suggestion from the manager is not pushy. it's no error.
would be different if the bounty manager included it in the campaign rules. ask participants to make at least 2-3 posts in the ANN thread. it will make the manager Guilty.
So far what the campaign manager does is still in the rules.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager.

Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta.

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I think you miss the word “try” because the campaign manager is not requiring participants to post on the ANN thread but just reminding them about the possible post engagement on the Casino ANN thread that paying them. I usually post on the casino ANN thread that I’m currently employed for signature campaign to show support and help to give good result for the campaign for a possible long term job.

Posting discussion is different on shilling which the mods care about on creating that rules.

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I personally feel that users in a campaign should respect the company that hired them and make a post here and there in a company thread, but as multiple others have said, you cannot force or ask that of the users. Think of it as job protection, the more exposure a company feels they are getting, the more likely they are to keep a campaign going.

Regardless, the manager isn't doing anything wrong here.

Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager. He may not be aware of it either, and in order not to cause this to ban accounts that may not be aware that this may be a violation of one of the rules on the forum.

Uh huh, that's why you are hiding behind an alt like a pussy.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on August 30, 2022, 01:17:00 AM

I'm very impressed with the post quantity this week keep it up guys and don't forget to visit Betplay's ANN thread; ⚡️⚡️Betplay.io - Lightning Network Casino - INSTANT & ZERO FEE Payments ⚡️⚡️ to engage in discussion over there.

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Can this be considered as "Paid Bumps"?

Paid Bump is not allowed by the forum policy. It may result to permanently ban all users engaged including the campaign manager responsible.

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager. He may not be aware of it either, and in order not to cause this to ban accounts that may not be aware that this may be a violation of one of the rules on the forum.

Is the campaign manager paying for these posts in the ANN thread? If not, there shouldn’t be any problems. Even if he does, he doesn’t request it. He is just telling people if they have anything to discuss about the casino, they can do it in the ANN. It is simply a reminder and nothing else.

Aware or or not, I don’t think anything wrong is happening here and nobody will get banned for this.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

Can this be considered as "Paid Bumps"?

Paid Bump is not allowed by the forum policy. It may result to permanently ban all users engaged including the campaign manager responsible.

It cant be considered as paid bump as the campaign manager has not offered any payment for posting on the announcement thread. Everyone can say to visit his website or something if they like. If the campaign manager told you must have to post on the announcement thread or the campaign manager told there will be no payment if not posted on the announcement thread then we could say paid bump and the campaign manager could be accused.

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

Can this be considered as "Paid Bumps"?

Paid Bump is not allowed by the forum policy. It may result to permanently ban all users engaged including the campaign manager responsible.

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager. He may not be aware of it either, and in order not to cause this to ban accounts that may not be aware that this may be a violation of one of the rules on the forum.

It seems you find it hard to deal with campaign managers. Are you a bounty cheater who get kicked out for cheating in bounty campaigns? It seems your first target was Royse777 and now you are targeting CryptopreneurBrainboss. Who will be your next target?

Stop doing things out of jealousy.

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It's not a must that the participants must post there. If the campaign rules were saying "you must post in thread x and X or else you won't be paid" then that would be considered a push to make participants bump the thread.

I don't see any problem with CryptopreneurBrainboss' request

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Quote from: Zalima Zohair on September 02, 2022, 01:58:13 PM

Can this be considered as "Paid Bumps"?

I don't think it's a paid bumps because apparently the campaign manager didn't explicitly mention giving bonuses or paying more to participants for posting in the ann thread. Managers will pay participants if they meet the required conditions, but when they overpay for whoever bumps ann's thread then it looks like it's going to be a problem.

CryptopreneurBrainboss probably didn't mean it that way, but you have every right to ask.

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Did one of your alts get bumped from a campaign so now you're lashing out at the CM?

Is that what's happening here?

Every CM does the same thing (why wouldn't they promote their campaign they are managing?), but you haven't convinced me that anything is wrong.

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It's not allowed to force users to post in a specific thread or give them any bonus for doing that.
The campaign manager isn't doing so and I don't think there's any problem.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on August 30, 2022, 01:17:00 AM

I'm very impressed with the post quantity this week keep it up guys and don't forget to visit Betplay's ANN thread; ⚡️⚡️Betplay.io - Lightning Network Casino - INSTANT & ZERO FEE Payments ⚡️⚡️ to engage in discussion over there.

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Can this be considered as "Paid Bumps"?

Paid Bump is not allowed by the forum policy. It may result to permanently ban all users engaged including the campaign manager responsible.

This topic is to clarify the matter and not to accuse the campaign manager. He may not be aware of it either, and in order not to cause this to ban accounts that may not be aware that this may be a violation of one of the rules on the forum.

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