Is this the Extreme of Gambling Addiction?

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Quote from: kamvreto on August 27, 2022, 01:03:53 PM

I think the same as you, the case mentioned by Op is a robbery and has nothing to do with gambling addiction. they just want the money that is in the casino machines. whereas if a person is addicted to extreme gambling he will steal money from other places and start gambling just to satisfy his gambling appetite. and also people who are addicted to gambling will not have rational thoughts and tend to get out of control, they are also antisocial and aggressive.

Excess of everything is bad, be it gambling or alcohol or anything else.
Even I know someone - who was so fond of reading books that he used to read one book everyday, he had a great collection of books and later he got the sinus problem and doctor who came to him - ordered to remove all the books from his room. Believe it or not.

I agree with your opinion that overdoing it is not good. But let's return to the main topic of discussion about extreme gambling addiction. Gambling addiction is a problem that must be handled properly and correctly. because addicts will do anything to satisfy their gambling desires. a gambling addict will be different from a thief who just wants to make money.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 26, 2022, 04:05:22 PM

I think that is plain burglary. There is nowhere in the article stated that those burglars involved were gambling addicts. I think they targeted establishments with gambling games because they knew that there is money to get from the machines. They target of these machines is not to play or gamble but to commit a crime by stealing the money that is inside the machine.

~snip~ Maybe they also used to gamble on the money they’ve stolen, but nevertheless, these people are trained as thieves and not as gamblers.

They are already aiming for the money in the gambling machine with a well-planned plan and using various methods. they are indeed thieves and not gambling addicts, they have never even been associated with any kind of gambling.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 26, 2022, 04:05:22 PM

I think that is plain burglary. There is nowhere in the article stated that those burglars involved were gambling addicts. I think they targeted establishments with gambling games because they knew that there is money to get from the machines. They target of these machines is not to play or gamble but to commit a crime by stealing the money that is inside the machine.

Whether they are gamblers or not, the main focus of these people is to steal thousands of dollars, which is plain burglary. And I think they are used to it entering into establishments intentionally to commit stealing or any act of crime. Maybe they also used to gamble on the money they’ve stolen, but nevertheless, these people are trained as thieves and not as gamblers.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction. Below is the story¹.

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

You seem to have gambling addiction and pure criminal activity mixed up. These are simply thieves, who determined that gambling machines generated a lot of money and were a worthy target for stealing. They had no interest in playing the games on those machines and may never have played on a gambling machine in their whole lives, they were purely drive by taking the money that was inside them. People who are addicted to gambling can often be so focused on finding money for a particular game that they might use illegal methods to get more money, but in every other aspect of their life they might have relative control. That being said, low level gamblers like people who get hooked on slot machines, often struggle with basic finance and sums.

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Quote from: pawanjain on August 28, 2022, 10:34:46 AM

I think that this has nothing to do with gambling addiction because this is something that any thief or scammer would do.
They look for opportunities to rob people. May be those thieves are gamblers who have lost all their money and are now robbing others to gamble more.
But this will again make them thieves rather than gambling addicts. Criminals and addict should not be mixed.

Yeah crime and gambling add are two different things, this article is more about scam/crime rather than side effects of gambling addiction.
Addicted gambler can hurt close circle around him and that is why mostly they are called degenerates in some discussions. Kinda debatable case, maybe they will put back all robbed money after hot winning streak, who knows. Anyways, it is crime and the thieves should face consequences.

Whenever you do commit on doing something that it is related on illegal then it would really be still a crime no matter how you've done it and this is what happens whenever you do tolerate out

on what you do really have in mind whether it is really coming or resulting from addiction or something on a situation where desperation on getting some money or funds is on the peak.

It wont matter on where you do it starts because you had already mold that kind of intent which is something that considered illegal.If you do find yourself to be that impulsive or emotional then you should really be that mindful on avoiding things as much as you could.

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No, this is simply a crime. What those group done is thief and its not a form of gambling, they may target these poker gaming machines knowing they knew how and where to break or they knew the process of breaking it easily.

This is not gambling addiction this is thievery, abuse and a crime. You can't call it a gambling addiction without gambling/playing in the machine or platform.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

There is a remote possibility the people involved in these crimes have a personal history with gambling and that is why they chose to target those locations and machines, but I would say it is unlikey considering this kind of heists have taken place before and by people who were just driven by the money and saw the chance to steal it from machines rather by mugging people.

I believe there are people within the police and inteligence agencies whose job is to build a profile of criminals whenever it is required and perphaps the profile of any of these guys who got arrested could link their behavior with a life of some kind of frustration, but since these profiles are not often released to the public, I'll consider this case to have little to nothing to do with gambling addiction whatsoever.

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Quote from: GatotKaca on August 28, 2022, 11:02:45 AM

what if someone is addicted to gambling and runs out of money? I believe gambling can make people addicted. because I have friends like that. he plays online gambling and continues to sell the assets he owns when he runs out of money.

Addiction is indeed a bad thing to avoid but what your friend did, it didn't blend into the subject of discussion, doing everything it takes to get money to gamble is a sign of being addicted to gambling but he never steal anyone's money to play or go to casino house to move any of their properties.

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this process does not happen in a short time, but long enough. when he loses and still wants to keep playing he will make money from borrowing friends or selling his stuff. when it's all over. want to continue playing gambling which will take him to take risks by stealing other people's belongings. who used to be not thieves, this can be a form of reckless action from gamblers who lose and don't have common sense anymore.

If it reached a point where a player needs to steal money to play any games in a casino, then the person needs to be rehabilitated and check mentally if they are actually stable, that's one of the silliest things a gambler would ever think.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

It's possible that the people who rob the machines are looking for revenge but still, there's not enough information to say that their gambling addictions were the ones that made them do these.

Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 28, 2022, 10:44:32 AM

I'm sure one or two of them are gamblers who know that there is a lot of money there if you're not playing there or you have seen people playing there because you frequented that place.

I agree, when you try to look at their perspective, gambling machines are one of their best targets knowing that gambling is popular.

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Quote from: pawanjain on August 28, 2022, 10:34:46 AM

I think that this has nothing to do with gambling addiction because this is something that any thief or scammer would do.
They look for opportunities to rob people. May be those thieves are gamblers who have lost all their money and are now robbing others to gamble more.
But this will again make them thieves rather than gambling addicts. Criminals and addict should not be mixed.

what if someone is addicted to gambling and runs out of money? I believe gambling can make people addicted. because I have friends like that. he plays online gambling and continues to sell the assets he owns when he runs out of money.

this process does not happen in a short time, but long enough. when he loses and still wants to keep playing he will make money from borrowing friends or selling his stuff. when it's all over. want to continue playing gambling which will take him to take risks by stealing other people's belongings. who used to be not thieves, this can be a form of reckless action from gamblers who lose and don't have common sense anymore.

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Quote from: arimamib on August 28, 2022, 10:01:18 AM

Their actions are not solely because of gambling addiction, maybe they are doing that shameful act to fulfill the desires of other addictions, such as drugs and alcohol.
It should be underlined, the moral damage of some people or groups is not due to gambling addiction alone, there are many other addictions that can make it difficult for them to control themselves to channel their desires. Gambling addiction is not as severe as drug addiction, so I don't think this group's actions can be attributed to gambling alone.

It was not established, the reason gambling news covered that is because it has something to do with the gambling machines a robber will rob a place if they think they can get away with it, maybe the group cannot do that on banks or other establishment and they saw the weakness of security on these machines that is why plan it, I'm sure one or two of them are gamblers who know that there is a lot of money there if you're not playing there or you have seen people playing there because you frequented that place.

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I think that this has nothing to do with gambling addiction because this is something that any thief or scammer would do.
They look for opportunities to rob people. May be those thieves are gamblers who have lost all their money and are now robbing others to gamble more.
But this will again make them thieves rather than gambling addicts. Criminals and addict should not be mixed.

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Their actions are not solely because of gambling addiction, maybe they are doing that shameful act to fulfill the desires of other addictions, such as drugs and alcohol.
It should be underlined, the moral damage of some people or groups is not due to gambling addiction alone, there are many other addictions that can make it difficult for them to control themselves to channel their desires. Gambling addiction is not as severe as drug addiction, so I don't think this group's actions can be attributed to gambling alone.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

I have read repeatedly about the burglary actions carried out by that group of people, I take the point as the OP posted below.

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“Members of this burglary ring allegedly targeted bars, restaurants, social clubs and other small businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. They broke into dozens of these establishments in multiple counties and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash out of the machines.“

In my assessment, they could be on the basis of addiction to gambling and suffered consecutive defeats, for that they committed robbery or theft, from the sources I read they had acted repeatedly in cases of theft/robbery, of course they have a group in carrying out their actions, I believe they do that on the basis of disappointment with gambling bets, where maybe they lose every time they make gambling bets, so the only way they do it is robbery, most likely to release their anger and addiction with the act of robbery, Because they only target poker & gaming machines, because they have done it repeatedly and succeeded, so they are addicted to doing it the umpteenth time.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction.

The article is coming from gambling news but there's no verification that group is compulsive gamblers and they decide to steal money from these machines to sustain their gambling addiction, its not on the article but even if they are they will eventually be caught we are in a modern technology where there are hundreds of surveillance camera where ever you go and where there are money expect the security to be very tight or the authorities can still follow because they are good at getting leads if the crime is coming from a public place.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 27, 2022, 06:54:39 PM

But not all cases of theft and criminal activity are caused by the urge of the suspects to gamble. There are people who are too lazy to work and find stealing and robbery the easy way to get money. Aside from that, news and reporters always sensationalized their reporting so even with a little glimpse of gambling addiction as a reason these guys is stealing, they will definitely put it since it is one of the interests of the anti-gambling party. But there is nowhere stated in the article that these people are stealing to suffice their need to gamble.

right, and I don't think it's "not all" but only a few cases that have a correlation of criminal acts or theft caused by the urge to gamble. some examples of crime cases you have mentioned, such as people who are lazy to work so they look for quick ways to make money from criminal acts or theft.
However, one thing in my opinion has always been the cause of criminal acts. environmental and social factors that are wrong to be the mastermind behind every criminal act, especially in this case is robbery.
even if there are cases that have a correlation of criminal acts caused by the urge to gamble, I think it is only a handful of people, it does not at all represent that every "addicted gambler" will commit a crime.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

No man, looks like an ordinary criminals. Maybe they thought that if they will rob poker and roulette businesses, society and police will not try to catch them too hard. (Because a lot of people think that gambling is low moral business, sometimes also criminal).

But this was wrong decision as we can see it now.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on August 28, 2022, 02:39:30 AM

This not just addiction, It is more than addiction. In this level I will call it stealing, taking what does not belong to you by all means. Addiction is when one bet a game continously without control. This is just far from gambling, I consider it to be a criminal activity.

I agree. This is just straight up criminal activity without any connection to gambling, except that the machines they stole are from a gambling place. Hardcore gamblers with nothing to lose will surely steal from someone they know or someone they can have a chance to get away with, and not be daring to steal from the platform where it spends its money.

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“Members of this burglary ring allegedly targeted bars, restaurants, social clubs and other small businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. They broke into dozens of these establishments in multiple counties and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash out of the machines.“

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

The cause of burglary is not because of gambling so I don't think there is some addiction involved in the crime. The report didn't stated that those arrested burglars are gambling addicts before. They are an organization of thieves who just specifically target gambling machines because they know it has a lot of money inside it.

An extremely addicted gambler usually can't think straight. Their only goal is to have money to use in gambling so they won't bother joining these kind of organizations.

I don't think all gambling places put their money in gambling machines because usually they use local coins or chips which can later be exchanged when they want to get cash and for human nature all kinds of ways are usually done by gambling addicts, therefore at least gambling must remain careful careful and able to control his emotions, many cases of theft and murder just because they want to take money for fun at the gambling place.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 26, 2022, 04:05:22 PM

I think that is plain burglary. There is nowhere in the article stated that those burglars involved were gambling addicts. I think they targeted establishments with gambling games because they knew that there is money to get from the machines. They target of these machines is not to play or gamble but to commit a crime by stealing the money that is inside the machine.

Yes I also cannot see any connection with addiction to gambling.
I mean when you see a person is a gambling addict, then it only means that to gamble the person can do any thing and by any means.
But here this thieves aren’t gambling, rather they just stole the money through the loophole.
So yes it’s not the extreme of gambling addiction, it’s just basically those people needed the money for which they did this burglary.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on August 28, 2022, 02:39:30 AM

This not just addiction, It is more than addiction. In this level I will call it stealing, taking what does not belong to you by all means. Addiction is when one bet a game continously without control. This is just far from gambling, I consider it to be a criminal activity.

I agree with you. This behavior cannot be called an addiction, even though they risked a lot in robberies. I believe that these guys took robberies seriously. They probably also enjoyed successful robberies, but it was clearly more than a gambling addiction. In my opinion it is a desire for easy money and as we know in most cases that ends very quickly.

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I'm not sure if this can be considered as addiction because the alleged people does not admit that they are into gambling addiction yet they are stealing from gambling businesses.

so they might be just a knowledgeable criminals about Online machinery ?

there are many factors to consider why they are doing this and for what reason they only targeting gaming machines.

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This not just addiction, It is more than addiction. In this level I will call it stealing, taking what does not belong to you by all means. Addiction is when one bet a game continously without control. This is just far from gambling, I consider it to be a criminal activity.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

This is where internet casinos have an advantage over traditional casinos. I don't believe this is an addiction, but more an act of stealing and taking advantage of the chance to milk gaming establishments. If an addicted gambler can be in his right mind and still borrow money or sell the property to gamble and never in any way harm others or take money from other companies, it means that what those guys did wasn't triggered by addiction, they just wanted the money that wasn't theirs, better that they were apprehended by the police so that it can serve as a lesson for others who want to try the same thing.

i tend in disagreeing mate , because couple years ago in Casino house in philippines ?there is a robbery that take place in which ended in shooting and Burning the casino down ? killing many people and who is the responsible ? it is an addicted gambler that has no control of his desire in gambling , meaning addiction can turn people into criminal way just to continue gambling.

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Yes, that's true. Reading the article for this case, it doesn't mention anything about being gamblers of these robbers.
So we don't know the motives of these people why they are stealing money from these machines.
Other than the fact, that they want money but for what? We have no idea unless the statement comes from them what is the reason of their illegal activity.
So this robbery can't be directly attached to extreme gambling addiction because it is not stated from the article.

We know that those which suffer from an addiction will do everything they can to keep their addiction going, this is not secret and we know that it happens, but this case in particular does not seem to have anything to do with gambling addiction at all, this seems like a case of a bunch of people that saw a weakness in a system and they did what they could to take advantage of it and now they have been caught by the police, and while I am glad they got caught it has nothing to do with gambling addiction for what we can see.

It will be difficult to overcome gambling addiction because they can do anything to have money. But this case seems to be just a robbery case that happened in the casino, but it is shown as if they are addicted to gambling and end up taking money in the casino machine. But we don't know what really happened in the case and keep guessing about it.

Or it could be, as @Silberman said, that a group of people see a flaw in a system in a casino so they can use it to make money. Hopefully, they won't repeat it in the future after they finish their punishment.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

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“Members of this burglary ring allegedly targeted bars, restaurants, social clubs and other small businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. They broke into dozens of these establishments in multiple counties and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash out of the machines.“

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

The cause of burglary is not because of gambling so I don't think there is some addiction involved in the crime. The report didn't stated that those arrested burglars are gambling addicts before. They are an organization of thieves who just specifically target gambling machines because they know it has a lot of money inside it.

An extremely addicted gambler usually can't think straight. Their only goal is to have money to use in gambling so they won't bother joining these kind of organizations.

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From that story, we already know that if people are addicted to gambling, they will do anything to be able to have money and continue playing gambling. Maybe stealing is the easiest thing for them because they can do it secretly without anyone knowing. For this reason, we must always be aware when playing gambling and always avoid gambling addiction because it can be bad for us. By always controlling our games, we can prevent gambling addiction and even if we lose money in gambling, it will not be okay for us.

I can’t see any statement that mention that those people addicted on gambling. Maybe addicted on stealing is the proper term because there’s a different type of maniac on this kind of crime. Targeting casino or other places with slot doesn’t they are addicted on gambling because there intention is not gambling but rather robbing. I will just believe that they are addicted on gambling if the police run a background check and saw gambling activities on there daily activity. But this incident is just a regular robbing incident without any further details available with this case.

The addiction to stealing is the desire to be able to steal money secretly because before they steal, there is a feeling of uncertainty that makes their hearts flutter. But after the theft was successful, there was a sense of satisfaction in getting the money or the goods. I don't know if it's a regular robbery or has something to do with gambling activities but what is clear is if we are addicted to gambling or stealing, it will make us get big consequences in our lives and can make what we have will all disappear.

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My personal opinion is that this is not related to gambling per se, maybe they just strike this operators with what the criminals do -easy money. And if we are talking about careers then definitely you can call them as career criminals. And with that, anything that they think they can make quick money without getting caught and easy job for them then they will do it regardless of what. You can even say that this is just a regular burglary as I have said, they are criminals so they are going to strike when ever and what ever, assuming that they "case the box". And so they can do with the money that they stole, either gambler or anything that suits their appetite.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on August 27, 2022, 06:56:58 PM

Yes, that's true. Reading the article for this case, it doesn't mention anything about being gamblers of these robbers.
So we don't know the motives of these people why they are stealing money from these machines.
Other than the fact, that they want money but for what? We have no idea unless the statement comes from them what is the reason of their illegal activity.
So this robbery can't be directly attached to extreme gambling addiction because it is not stated from the article.

We know that those which suffer from an addiction will do everything they can to keep their addiction going, this is not secret and we know that it happens, but this case in particular does not seem to have anything to do with gambling addiction at all, this seems like a case of a bunch of people that saw a weakness in a system and they did what they could to take advantage of it and now they have been caught by the police, and while I am glad they got caught it has nothing to do with gambling addiction for what we can see.

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Extreme of gambling addiction, Your thinking maybe right they will do anything for money and win, by stealing it from a a gambling machine. That is clearly an extreme addiction, because addiction can do anything aka being a criminal and a thief is an extreme addiction. The theft specialist on a gambling machine they can do, it's possible that their previous work history is also related to a casino or that machine, or their previous profession was also a gambler. This news reminds me of some movies.

My point exactly. Since the court didn't ask for a psychological evaluation to determine if these folks are suffering from problem gambling we may not be able to 100% dismiss the fact that there could a correlation between the two. Here is what this article says in relation to addiction and crime.

But not all cases of theft and criminal activity are caused by the urge of the suspects to gamble. There are people who are too lazy to work and find stealing and robbery the easy way to get money. Aside from that, news and reporters always sensationalized their reporting so even with a little glimpse of gambling addiction as a reason these guys is stealing, they will definitely put it since it is one of the interests of the anti-gambling party. But there is nowhere stated in the article that these people are stealing to suffice their need to gamble.

Yes, that's true. Reading the article for this case, it doesn't mention anything about being gamblers of these robbers.
So we don't know the motives of these people why they are stealing money from these machines.
Other than the fact, that they want money but for what? We have no idea unless the statement comes from them what is the reason of their illegal activity.
So this robbery can't be directly attached to extreme gambling addiction because it is not stated from the article.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 27, 2022, 05:48:54 PM

Quote from: Doell on August 27, 2022, 09:53:00 AM

Extreme of gambling addiction, Your thinking maybe right they will do anything for money and win, by stealing it from a a gambling machine. That is clearly an extreme addiction, because addiction can do anything aka being a criminal and a thief is an extreme addiction. The theft specialist on a gambling machine they can do, it's possible that their previous work history is also related to a casino or that machine, or their previous profession was also a gambler. This news reminds me of some movies.

My point exactly. Since the court didn't ask for a psychological evaluation to determine if these folks are suffering from problem gambling we may not be able to 100% dismiss the fact that there could a correlation between the two. Here is what this article says in relation to addiction and crime.

But not all cases of theft and criminal activity are caused by the urge of the suspects to gamble. There are people who are too lazy to work and find stealing and robbery the easy way to get money. Aside from that, news and reporters always sensationalized their reporting so even with a little glimpse of gambling addiction as a reason these guys is stealing, they will definitely put it since it is one of the interests of the anti-gambling party. But there is nowhere stated in the article that these people are stealing to suffice their need to gamble.

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Quote from: romero121 on August 27, 2022, 06:14:53 PM

If those arrested persons were further investigated surely officers will get to know about these persons getting involved in other forms of shady things before getting caught in this incident. On this contrary a theft incident is being connected to gambling.

The authority will also discover that they are involve in gambling as well, not sure about extreme addiction but this is not good at all and worst than addiction. If they commit a crime, that’s not addiction it’s more of their willing to commit a crime. Is this happened in a casino? How’s their security works if someone can take advantage of their machine and get huge money from it. Gambling site and casinos are mostly secured since they should always win and they really have to protect their assets at all cost.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 27, 2022, 01:53:27 PM

After reading the article, I can conclude and assume that those arrested people did that illegal thing not because of the gambling addiction.

There's an intent of stealing money and it was all planned right from the beginning. That's shady doings are their expertise from the start. That maybe their bad doings for long and it's just that they just finally caught now.

Although the news was in gambling portal website, I don't think it has something to do in gambling in general.

Agree with what you say, because regardless of what this is a robbery and a definite crime and this has nothing to do with gambling but when it comes to gambling portal news because indeed the object they are targeting is related to gambling machines.
Regardless of some of the reasons they said later this was a different matter because it was a pure crime.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 27, 2022, 01:53:27 PM

After reading the article, I can conclude and assume that those arrested people did that illegal thing not because of the gambling addiction.

There's an intent of stealing money and it was all planned right from the beginning. That's shady doings are their expertise from the start. That maybe their bad doings for long and it's just that they just finally caught now.

Although the news was in gambling portal website, I don't think it has something to do in gambling in general.

If those arrested persons were further investigated surely officers will get to know about these persons getting involved in other forms of shady things before getting caught in this incident. On this contrary a theft incident is being connected to gambling.

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Quote from: Doell on August 27, 2022, 09:53:00 AM

Extreme of gambling addiction, Your thinking maybe right they will do anything for money and win, by stealing it from a a gambling machine. That is clearly an extreme addiction, because addiction can do anything aka being a criminal and a thief is an extreme addiction. The theft specialist on a gambling machine they can do, it's possible that their previous work history is also related to a casino or that machine, or their previous profession was also a gambler. This news reminds me of some movies.

My point exactly. Since the court didn't ask for a psychological evaluation to determine if these folks are suffering from problem gambling we may not be able to 100% dismiss the fact that there could a correlation between the two. Here is what this article says in relation to addiction and crime.

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Addiction and crime are closely linked, with many people suffering with addiction resorting to stealing in order to fund their habit. As in the case of Knights, his compulsion to gamble is causing him to steal from houses in order to find the money needed to satisfy his addiction. If caught and convicted, he could face time behind bars.Knights is not the first person to resort to crime to fund a gambling addiction and, unfortunately, he will probably not be the last. Gambling requires money and when a person develops an addiction, the amount of money he or she needs increases. When on a losing streak, many gamblers continue to pour money into their habit to try to win back the money they have lost. This can become a vicious cycle that becomes impossible to break. When gambling addicts exhaust their own access to cash, they may borrow from family and friends and, when that source of funds dries up, turn to a life of crime. Burglaries and petty theft are common but some gambling addicts will commit fraud to the tune of thousands of pounds.

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After reading the article, I can conclude and assume that those arrested people did that illegal thing not because of the gambling addiction.

There's an intent of stealing money and it was all planned right from the beginning. That's shady doings are their expertise from the start. That maybe their bad doings for long and it's just that they just finally caught now.

Although the news was in gambling portal website, I don't think it has something to do in gambling in general.

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Quote from: kamvreto on August 27, 2022, 01:03:53 PM

I think the same as you, the case mentioned by Op is a robbery and has nothing to do with gambling addiction. they just want the money that is in the casino machines. whereas if a person is addicted to extreme gambling he will steal money from other places and start gambling just to satisfy his gambling appetite. and also people who are addicted to gambling will not have rational thoughts and tend to get out of control, they are also antisocial and aggressive.

Excess of everything is bad, be it gambling or alcohol or anything else.
Even I know someone - who was so fond of reading books that he used to read one book everyday, he had a great collection of books and later he got the sinus problem and doctor who came to him - ordered to remove all the books from his room. Believe it or not.

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Quote from: virasisog on August 27, 2022, 10:23:31 AM

It's not considered as gambling addiction but rather a robbery crime. It would be extreme gambling addiction only if they're committing crimes just to have funds for gambling. Their target is gambling machines simply because they could get a lot from them. If they will use their stolen money for gambling then they will enter gambling addiction because anything that causes harm in the name of gambling is considered extreme gambling addiction.

I think the same as you, the case mentioned by Op is a robbery and has nothing to do with gambling addiction. they just want the money that is in the casino machines. whereas if a person is addicted to extreme gambling he will steal money from other places and start gambling just to satisfy his gambling appetite. and also people who are addicted to gambling will not have rational thoughts and tend to get out of control, they are also antisocial and aggressive.

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I don't think that the story is about gambling addiction but a burglary instead. As what I understand, they are taking money on a video gaming machine instead of playing on the video machine yet lose that is why they are now stealing money from the machine then I would say that it is about gambling addiction. I could also say that it is gambling related since it is about a video gaming machine that the content is stolen by these people.

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This is nothing related to the gambling addiction and we have to stop saying crimes related to gambling field is a cause of its addiction, because we see its just a group of people who stole money from breaking the machine right so its pre planned robbery by the group who is in need of money.

We can see this as an addiction if those four individual gambled with the robbed money and lost or win money from it but as far as I can see there is no such thing happened.

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It's not considered as gambling addiction but rather a robbery crime. It would be extreme gambling addiction only if they're committing crimes just to have funds for gambling. Their target is gambling machines simply because they could get a lot from them. If they will use their stolen money for gambling then they will enter gambling addiction because anything that causes harm in the name of gambling is considered extreme gambling addiction.

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The extreme addiction in its symptoms has not necessarily to do with the development of any particular activity, if someone sells an organ they do not necessarily do it because they are addicted, or someone who sells his house for little money or even if they steals anything (e.g. OP).

In any case, you have to think about seeking help if you have that attitude in believing that all bad actions are conditioned to that person having that problem.

In my opinion an addict with extreme conditions does not really have the capacity to make moves as calculated as that robbery.

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Extreme of gambling addiction, Your thinking maybe right they will do anything for money and win, by stealing it from a a gambling machine. That is clearly an extreme addiction, because addiction can do anything aka being a criminal and a thief is an extreme addiction. The theft specialist on a gambling machine they can do, it's possible that their previous work history is also related to a casino or that machine, or their previous profession was also a gambler. This news reminds me of some movies.

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Maybe it is a lot easier for them to break into these machines particularly since that's the only one they target. If other machines pose similar ease of access to its money inside then they would probably target those. It's not a gambling extreme, just a typical theft IMO wherein the thieves managed to get their hands on some vital information about the machine. Nothing crazy or extreme about this, and this should have to stop. Platforms with similar gambling machines should also be wary of the possible attack of the same group and their associates, that's for sure.

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I don't think it makes sense to me to guess whether any of these robbers were addicted to gambling or not. They committed crimes and will be punished for it. I think they chose to rob gambling establishments rather than banks or jewelry stores, knowing that the security systems there are weaker, and that cash is much easier to sell than gold and jewelry.

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It's not surprising why that things happened because at the first place they already know that those machines has a lot of money and knowing that many gambler used to play in it compare to the other machines so they choose it to steal.. And no doubts that its because of addiction because indeed mostly results when it comes addiction isn't good and the common problems is stealing..

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction. Below is the story¹.

This is a crime and that could be the result of addiction, most probably those are also a gambler since they know where to get money and probably there's an insider who give tips with regards to this one. That's a lot of money targeting gambling machines, I don't know how this is happening considering the security on every casino but I guess they really have to address this problem or else many gamblers will be scared especially with regards to their security. Addicted gambler usually ended up doing bad things, so we can also consider this one.

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From that story, we already know that if people are addicted to gambling, they will do anything to be able to have money and continue playing gambling. Maybe stealing is the easiest thing for them because they can do it secretly without anyone knowing. For this reason, we must always be aware when playing gambling and always avoid gambling addiction because it can be bad for us. By always controlling our games, we can prevent gambling addiction and even if we lose money in gambling, it will not be okay for us.

I can’t see any statement that mention that those people addicted on gambling. Maybe addicted on stealing is the proper term because there’s a different type of maniac on this kind of crime. Targeting casino or other places with slot doesn’t they are addicted on gambling because there intention is not gambling but rather robbing. I will just believe that they are addicted on gambling if the police run a background check and saw gambling activities on there daily activity. But this incident is just a regular robbing incident without any further details available with this case.

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No, it's not a gambling addiction because their motive is just want to get the money, similar like a robbery which rob a bank, market, etc. Though an addicts are gamble to get money, but they're want to hit the huge multipliers or jackpot to satisfy their curiosity. This mean they're not only looking for money, but also want to win the games they've played.

Criminal and addict are completely different, an addict doesn't looking for money alone while the criminal is.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction.

Well, this story is not necessarily involves gambling addiction from the suspects POV. I guess they've just mastered how to break into this machine without getting easily noticed, as they are reportedly breaking into different bars, casino, and other crowded places. I didn't read the whole article, but I'm pretty sure they've master the art of burglary specifically in breaking into these machines.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 26, 2022, 06:43:24 PM

I think this isa crime and a felony that takes place on the face of gambling. Meaning, these people who were charged were really burglars and gambling was only an incidental to the cause of their crime. It just so happened that the platform that they tried stealing involved gambling, which is incidental to their crime.

I will not categorized this as an extreme form of gambling addiction but rather an extreme case of a crime that went wide-scale. Generally, people who gamble have their respective reasons on why they do such. Most of the time, these addicts are also fond of the entertainment provided by gambling which fuels their addiction more. This is a target purely on the proceeds and the money, which I do not think involves addiction at all.

I don't think so because there are so many places where they can steal money but why they choose that place? My guess is that those people are extremely addicted on that machine where they lose a bunch of money and now very desperate to make a revenge. They want to recover what they have lost in an aggressive way.

This is not an extreme kind of crime but it was a common one, just like how a criminal rob a bank or an atm machine. When you say extreme, that will be killing the people in a brutal way along with stealing and other forms of crimes. People gamble for two reasons, one is to get entertained and the other is to make money but both involves money and if they don't have more, it is possible that they can commit a crime such as stealing.

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Do you as well know that neutral body's can as well be involved in the stealing?
Yes this is absolutely true because staff and workers who do always funds the machines and collaborate to still from the machine and may not related to the gamblers. Though the rate at which gamblers go to an extent is very alarming., if they are out of funds having no option left can possibly lead to such incident by breaking into the machine to steal.

To me as a gambler, only gamble with what you have to avoid further damages or being homeless.

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Not at all. They may be just robbers who are good at stealing machines like slots and whatever was said in the article.

An extreme gambling addict may steal but I doubt they will go for gambling machines because that is where their fun is. They will steal in a different place, a bank, a house, or pickpockets, but they would not go steal where they were always found.
Also, that is not how I see a gambling addict will be. Someone who could not stop himself from going to a casino every day is the best way to describe it.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

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From that story, we already know that if people are addicted to gambling, they will do anything to be able to have money and continue playing gambling. Maybe stealing is the easiest thing for them because they can do it secretly without anyone knowing. For this reason, we must always be aware when playing gambling and always avoid gambling addiction because it can be bad for us. By always controlling our games, we can prevent gambling addiction and even if we lose money in gambling, it will not be okay for us.

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Quote from: virasog on August 27, 2022, 05:24:02 AM

Since they target to steal gambling equipment and gambling machines, we are assuming that it is a part of gambling addiction, which is actually not the case.

People who are gambling addicts damage themselves by playing excessive gambling and losing money. However here we are actually talking about the thieves and gamblers are not thieves. Cool

Please not relate both of them together.

What they have done are theft or burglary which is a criminal activity and not gambling activity. Both are different on each of their aspects and gambling addiction does not correlate with this incident.
Gambling addiction is caused by uncontrollable gambling activities whereas the gambler has lose control on his gambling games and bets which could end up getting broke etc. However, on this incident, it leans more on thievery as these people stolen someone else property and have targeted gambling machines.

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Quote from: Google+ on August 27, 2022, 04:13:34 AM

they are a group of professional thieves who target all forms of business to get money. Well in this case I don't know if they did this because of gambling addiction or something else. But their every action is a criminal act that can bring them to jail. I don't think any gambler would do this if they could control what they do. I think the game service provider really has to keep a super tight watch on every video poker machine and gambling house in order to maintain peace for every player who comes and prevent things that are not wanted.

Since they target to steal gambling equipment and gambling machines, we are assuming that it is a part of gambling addiction, which is actually not the case.

People who are gambling addicts damage themselves by playing excessive gambling and losing money. However here we are actually talking about the thieves and gamblers are not thieves. Cool

Please not relate both of them together.

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Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

After I listened and read the link to the article you shared, I do not believe that the motive for the robbery was motivated by their addiction to gambling. in the article link there is not a single statement that the suspects are gambling addicts.
This motive is a common robbery motive and they target the gambling machines scattered in the area.

The article cannot connect the perpetrators to gambling addiction, the criminals just targetted those machines instead of banks thinking that they can easily get away robbing these machines than robbing a bank, unfortunately, they are caught because authorities are good in tracking these criminals

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I assume, before they do these actions, usually they have studied beforehand they believe that in these gambling machines there is a lot of money stored.

Banks are more closely guarded than these machines, so they figure that they can easily get away, it seems these are newbies they did not check the security they study that there is a lot of money stored in those machines because many are playing on those machines

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robbery and addiction are two different things, if there is a group of people or someone who commits robbery with the motive of wanting to gamble or is addicted to gambling, I can't imagine how mentally and psychologically damaged it will be, so that they do actions that will harm themselves.

These are robbers but there's a big possibility that they are also into gambling people who are compulsive gamblers need a lot of money to sustain their vice.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

This is where internet casinos have an advantage over traditional casinos. I don't believe this is an addiction, but more an act of stealing and taking advantage of the chance to milk gaming establishments. If an addicted gambler can be in his right mind and still borrow money or sell the property to gamble and never in any way harm others or take money from other companies, it means that what those guys did wasn't triggered by addiction, they just wanted the money that wasn't theirs, better that they were apprehended by the police so that it can serve as a lesson for others who want to try the same thing.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

After I listened and read the link to the article you shared, I do not believe that the motive for the robbery was motivated by their addiction to gambling. in the article link there is not a single statement that the suspects are gambling addicts.
This motive is a common robbery motive and they target the gambling machines scattered in the area.

I assume, before they do these actions, usually they have studied beforehand they believe that in these gambling machines there is a lot of money stored.
robbery and addiction are two different things, if there is a group of people or someone who commits robbery with the motive of wanting to gamble or is addicted to gambling, I can't imagine how mentally and psychologically damaged it will be, so that they do actions that will harm themselves.

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they are a group of professional thieves who target all forms of business to get money. Well in this case I don't know if they did this because of gambling addiction or something else. But their every action is a criminal act that can bring them to jail. I don't think any gambler would do this if they could control what they do. I think the game service provider really has to keep a super tight watch on every video poker machine and gambling house in order to maintain peace for every player who comes and prevent things that are not wanted.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on August 27, 2022, 02:22:54 AM

but we may never know in real life if even one from these individuals are real gambling addict or not.

The above are the flash of the news. The flash points if we read inside further didn't state any connection to gambling people going to burgle the casino machine and pokers to steal money inside. The news state clear not connecting gamblers but the place of attack is gambling machines to steal money. We need to take the news as it is said it and we don't have to reinterpret it.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on August 27, 2022, 02:33:54 AM

I think it's like drugs. There are people who sell drugs and also take drugs, they do it to pay for their vice, at least in part. We don't know if this is the case, but those who make the big business are those who don't take drugs, or in this case, those who don't gamble. What I don't see in the news is any indication that they are doing it to fund their supposed gambling habit.

What I see more appropriate is that there is nothing like they are gamblers, they may or may not be gamblers, but they are stealing, that makes them a criminal, not an addict, there is nothing about the news that can make us call them addicts but a criminal that will soon face judgement in the court. They did not do it because they are addicted to gambling, they did it because they want to steal.

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I agree with the other colleagues who believe that this is not related to gambling addiction. This is most likely the case:

Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 26, 2022, 04:03:32 PM

My take is that - in a way or another - they've found out some ways to easily (or at least very fast!) break into those machines and steal their content. I would not be surprised only certain makers (of the machines) were targeted.

I think it's like drugs. There are people who sell drugs and also take drugs, they do it to pay for their vice, at least in part. We don't know if this is the case, but those who make the big business are those who don't take drugs, or in this case, those who don't gamble. What I don't see in the news is any indication that they are doing it to fund their supposed gambling habit.

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I don't think this is solely a case of gambling addiction, but for me it's just a huge case of a planned burglary. There's nothing stated on the article regarding gambling addiction of the burglars and but we may never know in real life if even one from these individuals are real gambling addict or not.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

I didn't fully understand the article, are these people addicted to gambling and only started stealing to fund their addiction? If so that I don't think this is something new. Just last night I saw an interview on youtube between a casino owner and a gambling addict. He talked about how he stole money from everybody he knew, in his 11 years of addiction before he started a treatment, he ruined every relationship and used all the money he could get his hands on for gambling. In severe cases of addictions it becomes hard to control yourself when you think only about one thing all day. I wouldn't call stealing to fund your gambling addiction as a new form or something extreme, many people have done it in the past. And video gambling machines seem to be a good target if you can get $400,000 with it. It's much more money than you would get from stealing an ATM. In case the criminals weren't really addicted to gambling than this is a normal robbery.

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I don't know if I understood this correctly from the news article I read, Burglary Ring is a syndicate group whose main target to attack for robbery is those who have video poker and video game machine businesses in different places in the country of Illinois. And take note that the amount they stole is not a joke because it reached 400k$ according to the investigation of those handling the case.

Now to OP's question if it is due to gambling addiction. I don't think they are addicted to gambling. But they are addicted to attacking video poker and video gaming machine business owners who only have thousands of dollars in money, maybe this is the only way they see an easy way to make thousands of dollars.

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Sounds about right. Drug addicts do the same thing too. When they run out of money they start stealing from other people. Gambling, alcohol, drugs... all of these might cause serious addiction. Stealing itself is also another addiction. It is called "Kleptomania".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptomania

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Kleptomania is the inability to resist the urge to steal items, usually for reasons other than personal use or financial gain. First described in 1816, kleptomania is classified in psychiatry as an impulse control disorder.[2] Some of the main characteristics of the disorder suggest that kleptomania could be an obsessive-compulsive spectrum disorder, but also share similarities with addictive and mood disorders.[3][4]

Sometimes a kleptomaniac person is also a gambling addict. Double K.O. Cool

Maybe that's the guy in your story.

Most people have weak minds, they will get addicted to anything very easily. You just give them a taste and it is over.

I laughed so hard because of your 'double k.o.' typification. Perhaps it was a gambling addict, or friends of a gambling addict or better still, they themselves were gambling addicts; whichever way one puts it, it doesn't justify that they robbed. They committed a crime and were caught. The karma for gambling deals different. Most probably they loved stealing from businesses who they feel does same to people.

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I don’t se any kind of gambling addiction on this story because they are just a regular thief and if theres one that they are addicted is stealing money on the place that they know that has an easy money to steal in which case places with slot because the security in that place is much weaker compared to a full size casino or bank. This guys surely keep watching on how many players playing on this slots which made them an easy target. This not an addiction or whatsoever dimension. This is simply a theft crime that involves slot machines.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction. Below is the story¹.
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Sounds about right. Drug addicts do the same thing too. When they run out of money they start stealing from other people. Gambling, alcohol, drugs... all of these might cause serious addiction. Stealing itself is also another addiction. It is called "Kleptomania".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptomania

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Kleptomania is the inability to resist the urge to steal items, usually for reasons other than personal use or financial gain. First described in 1816, kleptomania is classified in psychiatry as an impulse control disorder.[2] Some of the main characteristics of the disorder suggest that kleptomania could be an obsessive-compulsive spectrum disorder, but also share similarities with addictive and mood disorders.[3][4]

Sometimes a kleptomaniac person is also a gambling addict. Double K.O. Cool

Maybe that's the guy in your story.

Most people have weak minds, they will get addicted to anything very easily. You just give them a taste and it is over.

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these people has a knowledge that it is safer to rob machines than actual people or banks .

and according to the report they have already stolen 400 thousand dollars in which shows how profitable these for them and safer.

though this is not free from being caught ? yet there is more chances of surviving and keeping it long than other form of crimes.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction.

My take is that it may not be at all related to gambling.
My take is that - in a way or another - they've found out some ways to easily (or at least very fast!) break into those machines and steal their content. I would not be surprised only certain makers (of the machines) were targeted.

This is the position that I hold as well, I do not really see any kind of signs that could point out to a gambling addiction among those that committed those crimes, they just wanted some easy access to cash and it seems to me that for a time they were very successful in their criminal enterprise.

However it seems to me they brought too much attention to themselves precisely because of that success, and now they're going to have to pay the consequences of all of those crimes that they committed, and taking into account all of the robberies they committed and the significant amount of money they stole I suppose they are going to receive very long jail sentences.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on August 26, 2022, 07:05:01 PM

I don't think I'd class this as a gambling problem. Just a case of burglary. Most people believe that the gambling business is a very lucrative and profitable business so these four must have seen it as an opportunity to get quick money..
I doubt that these idea was borne out of a desperate need to get money to gamble but rather a need to get money from gambling without actually gambling.

These set of criminals just discovered an easy means of stealing money from those gambling machines. There was no report that they were gamblers or used the money for gambling purpose. Hence insinuating that their actions was caused by gambling addiction might be wrong. There was a time in my country when a set of criminals were targeting and stealing a model of Toyota car. When the police investigated it was discovered that they just discovered a new means of bypassing the security system of the vehicle.

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Some criminals actually think that stealing from machines like ATMs or Gambling Machines is a victimless crime. They definitely learned it from someone who has a twisted view of things.

The police wouldn't be pursuing them if it's a victimless crime but yep I also wonder why they only nab Gambling Machines, that's quite a target. aren't there someone guarding Gambling Machines?

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the worse effects of gambling addiction I think will be people who have no control over themselves. even most of them have social or financial pressure from their families.
The first target that will be affected is the family. ranging from borrowing money to stealing.

for a smart player, I guess they keep their capital limited and know when they have to get out of the game. most of course are people who have jobs and income. and set aside some of their money to have fun at the casino.

but those who are addicted may gamble every day, and will not even work or do work while betting at the casino. I see people around me like that.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction. Below is the story¹.

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Four individuals are facing charges over their alleged participation in a statewide video gaming burglary ring.
On Thursday, Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul released details regarding the recent arrests of three individuals believed to be involved in a burglary ring that operated in multiple Illinois counties. The Attorney General said charges have been filed against Giulia and Gino Wuttke and Alyssa Slouka, over their alleged participation in the burglary ring that stole $400,000 from video gaming machines. Brian Morgan, 42, of Plainfield, Illinois also faces charges for his alleged participation in the burglary ring.

The criminal charges are the result of collaborative efforts between the Attorney General’s office, the Illinois State Police, the Illinois Gaming Board, as well as law enforcement and Attorney’s offices in multiple counties.

“Members of this burglary ring allegedly targeted bars, restaurants, social clubs and other small businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. They broke into dozens of these establishments in multiple counties and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash out of the machines.“

Raoul commented on the topic in a statement by saying that the alleged members of the uncovered burglary ring primarily targeted businesses that had video poker and video gaming machines. He explained that in multiple counties, businesses were broken into and gambling machines were robbed, resulting in the theft of thousands of dollars. Raoul acknowledged that the arrests and charges are the result of the collaboration of multiple law enforcement agencies. In conclusion, he thanked all agencies involved in the case.

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

1. https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/police-nabs-four-who-stole-400k-from-gambling-machines

I don't think I'd class this as a gambling problem. Just a case of burglary. Most people believe that the gambling business is a very lucrative and profitable business so these four must have seen it as an opportunity to get quick money..
I doubt that these idea was borne out of a desperate need to get money to gamble but rather a need to get money from gambling without actually gambling.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines.

there are basic characteristics of people addicted to gambling:

1 - people addicted to gambling are not social people in terms of living in groups

2 - hardly someone addict will rob a bank, a casino, or anywhere, the addicted person steals things from relatives, the company where he works.

this robbery was done by people who are not addicted, the reason they choose these gambling machines is because anyone knows that they are machines that have a lot of money. There's nothing in this story related to addiction, other than why the hell have there been so many threads about gambling addictions lately? We all know well that anything can become an addiction, so why are you constantly just talking about gambling addiction?

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I think this isa crime and a felony that takes place on the face of gambling. Meaning, these people who were charged were really burglars and gambling was only an incidental to the cause of their crime. It just so happened that the platform that they tried stealing involved gambling, which is incidental to their crime.

I will not categorized this as an extreme form of gambling addiction but rather an extreme case of a crime that went wide-scale. Generally, people who gamble have their respective reasons on why they do such. Most of the time, these addicts are also fond of the entertainment provided by gambling which fuels their addiction more. This is a target purely on the proceeds and the money, which I do not think involves addiction at all.

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I don't think any of the robbers indicated anything about being a gambling addict? This is just a case of robbers choosing to attack gambling casinos instead of anything else, which imo makes sense to rob from since well, it's a casino. If they see that the security that they have is less than what they can't handle, then they'd try to handle it ofc. I wouldn't put it past that they have no gambling experience, I reckon they at least have a bit but I still don't think their gambling tendencies are at fault here. They're just thieves at the core.

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It looks like they are not addicted to gambling at all, or maybe they are just pretending to play gambling but their main plan really is to find the easiest spot to rob the casino and they were just actually a robbers, who knows? If they were that addicted to the game/gambling they may not or they may but usually when you are addicted to the game you like to beat the system and not to break or steal from it which is going to break against your principles. But just like I said, who knows? We need more further information about them so it's up to you OP, to dig or nah just leave them alone. Cheesy

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction. Below is the story¹.

Well, we know that a lot of these machines steal from players, so I think they just wanted to steal the machines back.
About the machines that steal, I refer mainly to cases of countries where gambling is prohibited, so the machines need to operate underground and then it is much easier to manipulate it to steal from the players, as it will never be supervised by someone competent .

Anyway, despite what I said at the beginning of the post, I don't support any kind of theft and I'm sure these people are not players, they are just thieves.

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To know if that's extreme addiction, it's better to question the culprits and ask them where they're using their money.

So, if someone admits that they're gambling addicts then we can have that conclusion that they're at a high extreme addiction which made them to do extreme stuff like this.

But if there's no answer like that, we can just have the conclusion that they're not extreme addicted gamblers but they're the typical crooks.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on August 26, 2022, 04:56:36 PM

It doesn't seem to be related to any gambling addiction. They have just targeted those games for the money into them.

Yes, it doesn't have any connection with gambling addiction. Maybe on further investigation we'll come to know about the same people involved in other forms of stealing. Right now the authorities have identified these people getting involved into chain of gambling machines that have money.

^ It is irrelevant to gambling addiction, they are just doing their illegal activity just for the money, These kinds of people who are innovating their activity how to steal money and since it is easy to steal money in any gambling machine that has money.
I don't even think that they are gamblers here who are addicted to gambling, they are plain robbers who wanted to steal money and do those illegal activities just to have a big chunk of money. To be honest, I hate people like this, they put shit on gambling and turn it into bad things to other people.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

When you already comes into a point where you do already committing a crime just for you to have some money for you to play then it is automatically be considered to be a an extreme addiction towards gambling.
No person on their right mind and thinking would really be doing this bullshit or putting up themselves on harm or getting imprisoned just for them to play gambling but if you are really that someone who are really that
impulsive and doesnt mind off about probabilities and scenarios then you would definitely be proceeding on what you do have in mind and will just regret in the end if you do find yourself
on a very tough position.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction. Below is the story¹.

This is burglary and those who did or will do this may not be compulsive gamblers but are criminals that know there is money stacked on these machines so they take the risk of stealing from these machines but eventually they will be caught because every establishment now has a CCTV and police can easily track these criminals, not all gamblers can do this extreme many resorts to lying and taking loans, but to break a machine and steal from it and if they happen to be gamblers it is really extreme addiction indeed, and I did not read on that article that those people involved are compulsive gamblers.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

I don't think so.
This is just another robbery that these people have been doing with their targeted machines. That's a lot of money that they're stealing and this is an organized crime for these three.
I don't see any reason for them to steal it because they're addicted and it's not something like that. They really are just robbers and doing the typical thing that they do once they lock on a target.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on August 26, 2022, 04:56:36 PM

It doesn't seem to be related to any gambling addiction. They have just targeted those games for the money into them.

Yes, it doesn't have any connection with gambling addiction. Maybe on further investigation we'll come to know about the same people involved in other forms of stealing. Right now the authorities have identified these people getting involved into chain of gambling machines that have money.

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Quote from: chaser15 on August 26, 2022, 04:50:08 PM

I think it's not gambling addiction but rather, these group really intends to do illegal activities where there is a big money involved.

If these guys are addicted to gambling, I doubt they can think properly about how they were able to steal such an amount successfully.

Good thing though that they got arrested and will face the consequences of what they did. That's a big case and for sure they will serve several years in the jail. A big syndicate is surely behind them and it's not that these groups are the only group who are working around.

I agree with you. It doesn't seem to be related to any gambling addiction. They have just targeted those games for the money stored into them obviously. We can suppose that bars, restaurants and social clubs owners have not a direct access to the funds locked inside and they can't withdraw them every night before closing their establishment, that's why those robbers have targeted them presumably. But I don't understand what you mean by "If these guys are addicted to gambling, I doubt they can think properly about how they were able to steal such an amount successfully" gambling addicts are not only honest people, they can be criminals too. Gambling is usually not renowned to be tied to the most innocent and virtuous environments.

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I think it's not gambling addiction but rather, these group really intends to do illegal activities where there is a big money involved.

If these guys are addicted to gambling, I doubt they can think properly about how they were able to steal such an amount successfully.

Good thing though that they got arrested and will face the consequences of what they did. That's a big case and for sure they will serve several years in the jail. A big syndicate is surely behind them and it's not that these groups are the only group who are working around.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on August 26, 2022, 04:35:28 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

It is not gambling or gambling addicted and has nothing to do with gambling at all, what we can call this is thievery, they have ways they can break into video poker and video gaming machines to steal money and that is all about them. What I just see is that they prefer to go and steal from machines that is not difficult for them to steal from.

as what NeuroticFish mentioned above, these robbers may have been targeting specific machines because they can easily get into it. it is not about gambling addiction here but thieves are just finding their strategy to get cash, out of these video poker and video gaming machines. and besides, we don't know the whole story about these thieves...from the article, it was not mentioned that they are gambling addicts. so don't know where the OP got the idea that robbing these machines was owed to being gambling addicts of these thieves.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

It is not gambling or gambling addiction and has nothing to do with gambling at all, what we can call this is thievery, they have ways they can break into video poker and video gaming machines to steal money and that is all about them. What I just see is that they prefer to go and steal from machines that is not difficult for them to steal from.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction. Below is the story¹.

There is a difference between playing gambling and stealing at a gambling casino. The story which you mentioned is related to stealing and this is not linked with gambling Addiction. There could be a situation where these gangs had lost in gambling in the past and they decided to cover their losses by stealing which is not the right way and they will have to face strict legal action against them in the court of law.

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The must have lost big from poker too and if they couldn't win by playing they rob the establishments with poker machines. So its extreme way to dealing with their addiction, if they really are addicted to gambling and the get even they only chose those establishment though so I guess its sort of a revenge type of assault to these businesses Cheesy

These are grown ups by the way, 52-year-old woman is among of them. Unusual way of life but I guess we'll see more of this due to this unusual condition of economy.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines.

OP this to me is pure burglary and at the far side known as stealing. If someone woke up to a taught to take whatever does not belong to them and in fact committed the act like in this case at hand, it is called a crime of stealing and depending on the time of the act which might have been at night or odd hours that security guards or other protective measures are absent so it is burglary being that they broke into or the machine. There is no need to tie the crime to any extraneous cause or act of frustration of not winning bet or being a bet addict or under some influence of drug. They have committed a crime not because they are addict but because they have the intention to break into the machine to steal monies and it was done simultaneously with others in different counties which makes it intention, well planned and executed and not under the influence of addition or drugs

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 26, 2022, 04:05:22 PM

I think that is plain burglary. There is nowhere in the article stated that those burglars involved were gambling addicts. I think they targeted establishments with gambling games because they knew that there is money to get from the machines. They target of these machines is not to play or gamble but to commit a crime by stealing the money that is inside the machine.

You're right. We don't know if they were addicts. It's like OP would say that if someone stole money from a brothel he must've been a sex addict Cheesy

Thieves will find the most innovative methods to steal money. There's a video on youtube of a planned attack on a jewelry store in Canada that was done in broad daylight and the group used a stolen truck to smash into the store and had another car parked outside that they used to escape.

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I think that is plain burglary. There is nowhere in the article stated that those burglars involved were gambling addicts. I think they targeted establishments with gambling games because they knew that there is money to get from the machines. They target of these machines is not to play or gamble but to commit a crime by stealing the money that is inside the machine.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2022, 03:56:55 PM

So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction.

My take is that it may not be at all related to gambling.
My take is that - in a way or another - they've found out some ways to easily (or at least very fast!) break into those machines and steal their content. I would not be surprised only certain makers (of the machines) were targeted.

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So I was surfing the gamblingnews.com website to get the latest information in the gambling world. I found this interesting story which I kept pondering on to understand whether this is the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction or not. I am tempted to think that it is because the gang according to the news, targets only businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. And so far they have stolen a total of $400K from gambling machines. The logic behind my conclusion is that, if people who are addicted to gambling would do anything at all costs to win money and for this group they have gone the extreme of breaking and stealing the monies in these gaming machines. This behaviour should be on the far end of the continuum of gambling addiction. Below is the story¹.

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Four individuals are facing charges over their alleged participation in a statewide video gaming burglary ring.
On Thursday, Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul released details regarding the recent arrests of three individuals believed to be involved in a burglary ring that operated in multiple Illinois counties. The Attorney General said charges have been filed against Giulia and Gino Wuttke and Alyssa Slouka, over their alleged participation in the burglary ring that stole $400,000 from video gaming machines. Brian Morgan, 42, of Plainfield, Illinois also faces charges for his alleged participation in the burglary ring.

The criminal charges are the result of collaborative efforts between the Attorney General’s office, the Illinois State Police, the Illinois Gaming Board, as well as law enforcement and Attorney’s offices in multiple counties.

“Members of this burglary ring allegedly targeted bars, restaurants, social clubs and other small businesses that have video poker and video gaming machines. They broke into dozens of these establishments in multiple counties and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash out of the machines.“

Raoul commented on the topic in a statement by saying that the alleged members of the uncovered burglary ring primarily targeted businesses that had video poker and video gaming machines. He explained that in multiple counties, businesses were broken into and gambling machines were robbed, resulting in the theft of thousands of dollars. Raoul acknowledged that the arrests and charges are the result of the collaboration of multiple law enforcement agencies. In conclusion, he thanked all agencies involved in the case.

Having read the story do you think that this could be the extreme or a new dimension of gambling addiction?

1. https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/police-nabs-four-who-stole-400k-from-gambling-machines

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