@Bitcoin_Arena. The government cannot takedown a much needed platform where anonymity is also very much needed by many cryptocoin users. Tornado Cash will change and take different forms appearances, however, the community of liquidity providers who want to earn from fees will always be there. If there is profit, there will be always people who will take the risk. The government should become aware that they cannot stop this anymore hehehe.
I am quite sure there will be certain people who will be annoyed by this on this forum.
Topic: Is Tornado cash still up and usable? (Read 560 times)
An Update:
So the other domain is now offline as well
It seems the Tornado.cash community has moved onto another and doing things below the radar. According to their community websites (Telegram and tornadocash.social) tornado.ws is the new domain name which they claim is now being maintained by the community.
https://docs.tornado.ws/general/guides/post-censorship/
Official community git ---> https://git.tornado.ws/tornadocash
So the other domain is now offline as well
It seems the Tornado.cash community has moved onto another and doing things below the radar. According to their community websites (Telegram and tornadocash.social) tornado.ws is the new domain name which they claim is now being maintained by the community.
https://docs.tornado.ws/general/guides/post-censorship/
Official community git ---> https://git.tornado.ws/tornadocash
Tornado Cash 2.0: The race to build safe and legal coin mixers
New coin mixers aim to preserve privacy while revealing just enough data to stay on the right side of the law.
Read in full https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/tornado-cash-2-0-the-race-to-build-safe-and-legal-coin-mixers/
One of the most amusing U-turns I have witnessed to date. New coin mixers aim to preserve privacy while revealing just enough data to stay on the right side of the law.
Read in full https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/tornado-cash-2-0-the-race-to-build-safe-and-legal-coin-mixers/
I see where this trend is headed, First wasabi wallet and now tornado.cash?
What will we see next? A mixer that KYC's its users just to be sure they are not “laundering” money?
That's the death of the IMO. I would rather use a privacy leaning coin.
I reckon they have no choice after witnessing what the government could do after the imprisonment of Tornado Cash developer Alexey Pertsev. He did not do anything wrong, however, he was charged with fake cases of moneylaudering and tax evasion. They only wanted to hold him in custody for the purpose of fear tactics because the government clearly wants to discourage developers from writing code that increases anonymity and privacy.
The trial against Tornado Cash developer Alexey Pertsev inches closer, but it won’t be this year.
In a hearing in the Dutch city of Den Bosch today, a district court ruled Pertsev will face money-laundering charges for his role with the crypto mixer next year at the earliest.
No trial date has been scheduled, but the calendar is full for the rest of 2023, the court found.
Crypto watchers and privacy advocates are expected to pay close attention to the case, which could determine the future of developers’ culpability in the projects they help design.
“If this is a prosecution based solely on writing code that other people misuse, then it’s a really important case because many, many people write code that other people might use for good or bad purposes,” Cindy Cohn, executive director of digital rights group Electronic Frontiers Foundation, told DL News before the hearing.
She said she is frustrated over prosecutors’ failure to provide “clarity to the millions of people around the world who are worried that they might actually be at risk” because of their contribution to other open-source projects.
Source https://www.dlnews.com/articles/regulation/tornado-cash-developer-alexey-pertsev-trial-pushed-to-2024/
This might be a case very much similar to Julian Assange but less serious.
Tornado Cash 2.0: The race to build safe and legal coin mixers
New coin mixers aim to preserve privacy while revealing just enough data to stay on the right side of the law.
Read in full https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/tornado-cash-2-0-the-race-to-build-safe-and-legal-coin-mixers/
One of the most amusing U-turns I have witnessed to date. New coin mixers aim to preserve privacy while revealing just enough data to stay on the right side of the law.
Read in full https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/tornado-cash-2-0-the-race-to-build-safe-and-legal-coin-mixers/
I see where this trend is headed, First wasabi wallet and now tornado.cash?
What will we see next? A mixer that KYC's its users just to be sure they are not “laundering” money?
That's the death of the IMO. I would rather use a privacy leaning coin.
News update. This news is 3 weeks old and I have noticed it only yesterday.
It appears that the question is answered. Tornado Cash is still up and usable hehe. According to their latest update, version 2 of their mixer will implement proof of innocence where the funds from illegal activities or a blacklist will be blocked from using the mixer.
In any case, the problem this would cause is in ETH's fungibilty. The funds that can pass through version 2 will be worth more than the funds that cannot pass through.
Tornado Cash 2.0: The race to build safe and legal coin mixers
New coin mixers aim to preserve privacy while revealing just enough data to stay on the right side of the law.
Read in full https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/tornado-cash-2-0-the-race-to-build-safe-and-legal-coin-mixers/
It appears that the question is answered. Tornado Cash is still up and usable hehe. According to their latest update, version 2 of their mixer will implement proof of innocence where the funds from illegal activities or a blacklist will be blocked from using the mixer.
In any case, the problem this would cause is in ETH's fungibilty. The funds that can pass through version 2 will be worth more than the funds that cannot pass through.
Tornado Cash 2.0: The race to build safe and legal coin mixers
New coin mixers aim to preserve privacy while revealing just enough data to stay on the right side of the law.
Read in full https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/tornado-cash-2-0-the-race-to-build-safe-and-legal-coin-mixers/
@Bitcoin_Arena. According to some people in social media, it is only Tornado Cash Nova's pools which was deployed in Gnosis chain are at risk. The funds in the original Tornado Cash pools in Ethereum mainchain are safe.
I am also as confused as you hehehe. I am not quite sure how many Tornado Cash mixers are deployed in different chains and why type of governance structure each one has. It appears that one deployment is independent from the other deployments.
I am also as confused as you hehehe. I am not quite sure how many Tornado Cash mixers are deployed in different chains and why type of governance structure each one has. It appears that one deployment is independent from the other deployments.
@Bitcoin_Arena. It might be, however, where will the attackers mix and launder their stolen coins if they kill Tornado Cash hehehe.
They will try to use the AMM exchanges perhaps?I am also seeing some forks of tornado cash and on different chains though I am not sure which one is legit and which one is not.
There is also word that Tornado cash Governance control is about to be restored.
in also other news, it's said that a Wallet drainer moved funds to Tornado Cash, which translated it to still being functional
@Bitcoin_Arena. It might be, however, where will the attackers mix and launder their stolen coins if they kill Tornado Cash hehehe.
In any case, it might be time to create and develop a better onchain mixer where the developers are anonymous. After the imprisonment of Tornado Cash's developer and the US sanctions, the mixer might have become like a burden to use.
In any case, it might be time to create and develop a better onchain mixer where the developers are anonymous. After the imprisonment of Tornado Cash's developer and the US sanctions, the mixer might have become like a burden to use.
Well, things just keep getting worse for Tornado Cash
The Tornado Cash Governance is under attack as attack gains control
Perhaps the last nail on the coffin for them?
The Tornado Cash Governance is under attack as attack gains control
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Through a carefully crafted malicious proposal, the attacker managed to accumulate an astonishing 1,200,000 votes, surpassing the legitimate votes, estimated to be around 700,000. This staggering number granted the attacker full control over the Tornado Cash governance. With this newfound power, the attacker can execute various actions that could have severe consequences for the protocol.
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The attacker, now in control of the governance system, holds the authority to exploit multiple functionalities within Tornado Cash. These include Withdrawal of Locked Votes, Drainage of Tokens, Bricking the Router
Perhaps the last nail on the coffin for them?
Did you use the smart contract directly? Do you have experience in this field?
I want to declare and let everyone know that I have never used Tornado Cash through the frontend and I have never used Tornado Cash directly through the smart contract. I also do not encourage anyone to use Tornado Cash.
However, it is already very known that anyone can use smart contracts directly through Etherscan. I have minted NFTs directly through smart contracts.
In any case, go to Tornado Cash's address in Etherscan, go to contract then to write contract.
https://etherscan.io/address/0xd90e2f925da726b50c4ed8d0fb90ad053324f31b#writeContract
I also want to remind everyone that Tornado Cash is sanctioned by the US government.
AFAIK, the dev is already in the jail and the last update they made was August last year with an existing problem with their code. I think tornado cash is long gone and this new website is just made by someone trying to use the brand with their own gain.
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
This is factually incorrect. Yes, the developer is in custody. No, TornadoCash is long gone. See mk4's accurate answer:
The Tornado Cash smart contract is immutable and hence is still live on the Ethereum blockchain. I'm not sure about that IPFS site, but you can still use Tornado Cash today as long as you know how to manually interact with the smart contract.
Take note that Ethereum and "DeFi" is pretty much useless if a takedown of its front-end website literally kills the platform. The authorities can only take down the domain and the front-end; but the back-end will always be live.
Take note that Ethereum and "DeFi" is pretty much useless if a takedown of its front-end website literally kills the platform. The authorities can only take down the domain and the front-end; but the back-end will always be live.
As mk4 said, all you need to do is interact with the TornadoCash front-end in order to interact with it. Similarly, the project is open-source. Anyone can deploy the front-end and connect to the Tornado smart contract and they will have an exact replica of the original TornadoCash. The service is takedown-proof.
Did you use the smart contract directly? Do you have experience in this field?
@big_daddy. Everyone should learn how to interact with the smart contract directly and should not depend on frontends that will certainly be collecting your ip address, your browser type, version, your operating system and other infromation about your computer.
In any case, this address has been transferring coins to Tornado Cash for mixing.
https://etherscan.io/address/0x59d779bed4db1e734d3fda3172d45bc3063ecd69
According to social media, the address is owned by the hacker who stole funds from Uranium Finance.
In any case, this address has been transferring coins to Tornado Cash for mixing.
https://etherscan.io/address/0x59d779bed4db1e734d3fda3172d45bc3063ecd69
According to social media, the address is owned by the hacker who stole funds from Uranium Finance.
I have come across a tornado cash looking site, but I am not sure if it's real or a phishing site?
https://ipfs.io/ipns/tornadocash.eth/
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https://ipfs.io/ipns/tornadocash.eth/
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did anyone used this service? or the other one that pops up as a new version (https://nova.tornadocash.eth.link/fund)
I see some tx being made on the (https://ipfs.io/ipns/tornadocash.eth/) website/service, but before I make one, I would like to read that someone has actually used it recently
@joniboini. The frontend might need to use IPFS, however, anyone can use Tornado Cash by interacting manually through the smart contracts in etherscan.io. I reckon not much people might have recognized how incredibly powerful this software is. The American government scantioned it, the first time a government sanctioned software hehe. But what can they do to take it down? They cannot do anything except monitor, I reckon.
I cannot be certain if their mixing process is reliable because I never used Tornado Cash and even if I used it, I would never tell anyone that I have used Tornado Cash or any mixer hehehehe.
Understandable. It would be interesting if somebody test the service and make a detailed report just like how there is a paper on Bitcoin mixer. But I guess there is just not enough demand for that since altcoin mixers barely exist nowadays. CMIIW.In any case, many people used it before the sanction. One of them is Sifu who is a famous scammer. His tokens were never traced after it went through the mixer. Also, Tornado is still very much alive in Binance smartchain.
I see. I guess that's why they decide to go with IPFS to prevent domain takedown or something similar (CMIIW). At the end of the day, you can't really make a decent profit if your service is unused by people due to a lack of UI.
@joniboini. I cannot be certain if their mixing process is reliable because I never used Tornado Cash and even if I used it, I would never tell anyone that I have used Tornado Cash or any mixer hehehehe.
In any case, many people used it before the sanction. One of them is Sifu who is a famous scammer. His tokens were never traced after it went through the mixer. Also, Tornado is still very much alive in Binance smartchain.
In any case, many people used it before the sanction. One of them is Sifu who is a famous scammer. His tokens were never traced after it went through the mixer. Also, Tornado is still very much alive in Binance smartchain.
Using the frontend will certainly be a risk, however, I am not very sure if using Tornado Cash by connecting directly to the smart contracts is safe or not after the sanctions by the American government.
Is their mixing process reliable to begin with? I'm not familiar with how they work, not to mention they mention some RPC blocking can hinder their service if they do still run it right now. At the end of the day though, I would be surprised if the government just stay still and do nothing to decrypt/analyze the transactions made through them. Would be a weird move since they can use that as a basis to sue others. CMIIW. 
The only difference is that tornado is (air-based phenomenon) while whirlwind is (earth-based phenomenon)[1].
Also the extension tornado.cash while whirlwind.money
Another mixer which has some sort of correlation before Blender.io = Sinbad.io | Thoughts? Also the extension tornado.cash while whirlwind.money
But it's still a conspiracy and even it's already proven they have a connection, there's nothing to worry. AFAIK Blender.io and Tornado.cash had never scammed any user from their mixing service.
Maybe in the future if whirlwind.money get shutdown by SEC, they will start with another names like hurricane.fiat, typhoon.capital, cyclone.funds
AFAIK, the dev is already in the jail and the last update they made was August last year with an existing problem with their code. I think tornado cash is long gone and this new website is just made by someone trying to use the brand with their own gain.
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I reckon you do not understand how this works. The smart contracts are immutable and cannot be censored, only the frontend is censored. Anyone can still connect and mix their coins with the smart contract directly.
I didn’t said that smart contract is fake. What I’m telling in my post was the original tornado.cash brand is long gone since the dev is already on the jail. The project is being taken care of by someone and this was being watched by government.
I don’t know if using the current service is worth the risk knowing how this project was already under the watch of the government.
Using the frontend will certainly be a risk, however, I am not very sure if using Tornado Cash by connecting directly to the smart contracts is safe or not after the sanctions by the American government. There were some news articles that reported some hackers continue to use it. It might be safe but will you take the risk? Clearly we would not hehehe.
I've been wondering why it's called whirwind but I can't figure out where you got it from.
Especially the side of the statistics where there is anonymity set
Maybe they got some inspiration from tornado.cash
Neither this whirlwind got inspiration from tornado cash nor the maker from the tornado cash family But both are great
The only difference is that tornado is (air-based phenomenon) while whirlwind is (earth-based phenomenon)[1].
Also the extension tornado.cash while whirlwind.money
[1] https://homework.study.com/explanation/what-is-the-difference-between-a-tornado-and-a-whirlwind.html#:~:text=Answer%20and%20Explanation%3A,is%20an%20earth%2Dbased%20phenomenon.
Why the site interface is similar to the mixing service from @whierwindmoney, the similarity is almost close to matching.
I thought I was the only one who noticed itEspecially the side of the statistics where there is anonymity set
Maybe they got some inspiration from tornado.cash
Also the extension tornado.cash while whirlwind.money
[1] https://homework.study.com/explanation/what-is-the-difference-between-a-tornado-and-a-whirlwind.html#:~:text=Answer%20and%20Explanation%3A,is%20an%20earth%2Dbased%20phenomenon.
I don’t know if using the current service is worth the risk knowing how this project was already under the watch of the government.
There is no guarantee that any future version will be run by the government or that there will be development of the project. 
Why the site interface is similar to the mixing service from @whierwindmoney, the similarity is almost close to matching.
I thought I was the only one who noticed itEspecially the side of the statistics where there is anonymity set
Maybe they got some inspiration from tornado.cash
Haha it is the same things I just look and the color is the same too whirlwind background logo is a tornado from a side look while the tornado cash is from the above and the statistic too only whirlwind has a bigger box. Neither this whirlwind got inspiration from tornado cash nor the maker from the tornado cash family But both are great
AFAIK, the dev is already in the jail and the last update they made was August last year with an existing problem with their code. I think tornado cash is long gone and this new website is just made by someone trying to use the brand with their own gain.
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I reckon you do not understand how this works. The smart contracts are immutable and cannot be censored, only the frontend is censored. Anyone can still connect and mix their coins with the smart contract directly.
I didn’t said that smart contract is fake. What I’m telling in my post was the original tornado.cash brand is long gone since the dev is already on the jail. The project is being taken care of by someone and this was being watched by government.
I don’t know if using the current service is worth the risk knowing how this project was already under the watch of the government.
according the twitter account of tornado cash https://twitter.com/TornadoCash it seems the link that you provide is real. But it seem the transaction is getting lower I mean before freeze and police arrive to the site
Thye probably added the link to the profile recently. When I made the post, it was still the old link of tornado.cash. Thanks for pointing this out. Why the site interface is similar to the mixing service from @whierwindmoney, the similarity is almost close to matching.
I thought I was the only one who noticed itEspecially the side of the statistics where there is anonymity set
Maybe they got some inspiration from tornado.cash
I have come across a tornado cash looking site, but I am not sure if it's real or a phishing site?
https://ipfs.io/ipns/tornadocash.eth/
Why the site interface is similar to the mixing service from @whierwindmoney, the similarity is almost close to matching.https://ipfs.io/ipns/tornadocash.eth/
It seems that the site is real, but I advise you to stay away from it. The developer has been arrested and service is under Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and there are many accusations of this service for that, especially for account based cryptos.
according the twitter account of tornado cash https://twitter.com/TornadoCash it seems the link that you provide is real. But it seem the transaction is getting lower I mean before freeze and police arrive to the site
AFAIK, the dev is already in the jail and the last update they made was August last year with an existing problem with their code. I think tornado cash is long gone and this new website is just made by someone trying to use the brand with their own gain.
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I reckon you do not understand how this works. The smart contracts are immutable and cannot be censored, only the frontend is censored. Anyone can still connect and mix their coins with the smart contract directly.
The Tornado Cash smart contract is immutable and hence is still live on the Ethereum blockchain. I'm not sure about that IPFS site, but you can still use Tornado Cash today as long as you know how to manually interact with the smart contract.
Take note that Ethereum and "DeFi" is pretty much useless if a takedown of its front-end website literally kills the platform. The authorities can only take down the domain and the front-end; but the back-end will always be live.
Take note that Ethereum and "DeFi" is pretty much useless if a takedown of its front-end website literally kills the platform. The authorities can only take down the domain and the front-end; but the back-end will always be live.
There are news as well that only that american citizens cannot use the mixer but their site is not up.
That site posted was on their official twitter, but i cannot see any tweet related from them to that new site.
While on the other hand, one of the co-dev who create tornado cash is making a new one[1].
[1[ https://twitter.com/ameensol/status/1632083054272430080
That site posted was on their official twitter, but i cannot see any tweet related from them to that new site.
While on the other hand, one of the co-dev who create tornado cash is making a new one[1].
[1[ https://twitter.com/ameensol/status/1632083054272430080
AFAIK, the dev is already in the jail and the last update they made was August last year with an existing problem with their code. I think tornado cash is long gone and this new website is just made by someone trying to use the brand with their own gain.
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I think this new tornado cash hype is due to the news that the dev is considered to be set free.
https://decrypt.co/137355/dutch-court-agrees-to-free-tornado-cash-dev-alex-pertsev-pending-trial
I have come across a tornado cash looking site, but I am not sure if it's real or a phishing site?
https://ipfs.io/ipns/tornadocash.eth/
We know the original site was blacklisted (https://tornado.cash)
I am seeing another alternative on the Wikipedia page, but they don't look similar to the one above (https://beacon.cash)
This is what I got from the wiki
https://ipfs.io/ipns/tornadocash.eth/
We know the original site was blacklisted (https://tornado.cash)
I am seeing another alternative on the Wikipedia page, but they don't look similar to the one above (https://beacon.cash)
This is what I got from the wiki
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_Cash
After the sanctions on Tornado Cash, numerous attempts were made to create new mixers. One of the major privacy concerns with Ethereum staking is the potential exposure of personal information and counterparty risks. To address these issues, a new mixer called Beacon.Cash has been developed using Tornado Cash core contracts. The protocol was created by Alexey Pertsev, who also developed Tornado Cash. While it is primarily used as a way to tumble crypto, it may also face sanctions for its potential use in staking.
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