Is United States on the verge of a civil war?

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Quote from: sekuriti on November 08, 2022, 09:58:53 PM

I'm not from the US anyhow but imo there will be a real ww3 for sure soon(I'm not talking about ukraine-russia conflict ofc). Time will tell.

Yea. Recently there have been increased tensions between the US and Russian and many are already seeing this leading to a escalation. Well, I hope this doesn't happen, because there is never a victor in a war, only victims irrespective of who wins.
The show of might has to stop cause it's leading us no where.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on January 30, 2024, 04:23:13 AM

I’ve been seeing lots of social media comments & some articles saying a civil war in the US could happen. I am doubtful though. The political problems in the US are both structural & immediate, the crisis is both long standing & accelerating. The US political system has become so overwhelmed by anger that even the most basic tasks of government are increasingly impossible. Apparently red & blue voters are as hostile as ever towards each other, many think mainstream media is pushing it. Let’s hope this is nothing but pre election tension though.

A country like the USA, has clearly gone past that stage of having a civil war, I think that they're too civilized for that, this is a country that upholds democracy and they have intellects, great thinkers that will never allow civil war to happen. Ofcourse conflicts are normal in any true democracy, because it's only in the grave yards that you can have absolute peace. It's ok to have different opinions and points of views, but in the end the wish of the people will always prevail and that is the america, that I know. This is an election year, so it's normal for citizens to take sides with the party of their choice, and after the election, everybody access the outcome and moves on, nothing will degenerate to having a civil war in America, because they're too civilized for that.

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United states has been playing at the hands of some particular financial companies and it seems as if there is an Establishment that is controlling USA. One who is caring for Israeli benefits only. And when a country is being controlled by another country, then its time for civil war for the controlled country.
And since Israel is planning to be the super power country of this planet, they need to dethrone USA before claiming that spot.

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I’ve been seeing lots of social media comments & some articles saying a civil war in the US could happen. I am doubtful though. The political problems in the US are both structural & immediate, the crisis is both long standing & accelerating. The US political system has become so overwhelmed by anger that even the most basic tasks of government are increasingly impossible. Apparently red & blue voters are as hostile as ever towards each other, many think mainstream media is pushing it. Let’s hope this is nothing but pre election tension though.

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I don’t think we would ever have a civil war like once occurred in the past. However, it does seem like Texas and the Federal Government are in for some sort of face off. Most likely in the court but I also wouldn’t doubt if Texas law enforcement didn’t try to arrest Border Patrol agents at some point.

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Quote from: Gyfts on January 29, 2024, 05:24:10 AM

I still assert that Americans are too fat for a civil war.

War itself can be a battle of nutrition...I mean attrition

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Quote from: Gyfts on January 29, 2024, 05:24:10 AM

I still assert that Americans are too fat for a civil war.

That is something I have seen on social media lately, people pointing that out, how the Republican party voters and the typical fear mongers talk about Civil war while they would not be fit to serve militarly.
Though, let us be honest about it, in order for a civil war to start and have massive negative consequences, it does not need for the people of the country in question to be fit or slim, in the end, most of the confrontation will be bout shooting and taking cover. Shooting is easier than taking cover, the average gun carrier in that country does not go the to shotting range to learn how to cover and stay away from gunfire, they only stand there firing their guns at moving targets.
While it can be funny to joke about a second American war on the internet, I don't think people should make this topic a trivial one and normalize it to the point of losing sensitivity to the idea of it happening. It is not supposed to happen and the government and the civilian society of the United States have the responsibility to do everything in their power to prevent it from happening.

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I still assert that Americans are too fat for a civil war.

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Quote from: pooya87 on August 17, 2022, 06:44:26 AM

Considering how polarized United States is and how the violence has been increasing alongside inflation over there, I'm interested to know what others think about the possibility of a civil war, specially if you are from US.

I have a prediction about how they are going to try to prevent it if it becomes serious but I don't want to jinx it so here is SHA256 hash of it lol 2330132f31cf79d0113d81036d42f4d6ddbb64628ad0fbe189f99842ea0d4e16

Not actually but considering the way things are going and many issue on their table, is more likely to be. So many things is on their neck which is mounting pressure on them Russian war with Ukraine, isreal with Hamas and some indiscreminate killing, retaining the power is like them in civil war

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It's now a general realization that illegal immigration are bringing more problems than solutions. Even the hardcore fan of illegal immigration in Europe are taking the step backwards.
Texas is an example of how the federal immigration policies are getting unpopular with the people. And it would lead to people voting for the candidate that are more focused on stopping the entry of illegal migrant just like in the Europe.

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Quote from: pooya87 on January 28, 2024, 12:39:02 AM

With this recent "Texit" thing and the upcoming presidential election, I think it's time to revisit this old discussion.

I have seen it, it seems people who are very displeased with the federal government have been taking leverage on the decision of the supreme court of the United States about the use of razor wire in the Southern border to advance their political ideas. People on Twitter/X are talking about very serious stuff which are not supposed to be taken as joke, specially in these times when political division is so high: civil war, secession, World war three, conspiracies for the democrat party to grant citizenship to all those immigrants, etc.
This is the kind of thing which could spark some insulated conflicts in the country, not even considering the call of Trump for the Governors to provide military assistance to Greg Abbot (Republican Texas Governor).

I have got the bad feeling the political division and tension will only continue to grow all this year along. The adversaries of the United States must be pointing out and laughing at this situation which only weakens the Union.

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With this recent "Texit" thing and the upcoming presidential election, I think it's time to revisit this old discussion.

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As far as I know, the United States has always been divided into parties, groups, associations, legions rather than a cohesively united nation. Yes it's a super power in the world and nothing is gonna change this within a few decades. In fact, the inside has been split into so many political parts and there is a possibility that U.S is on the verge of a civil war. This is rooted in the first day of the nation's founding.

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I'm not from the US anyhow but imo there will be a real ww3 for sure soon(I'm not talking about ukraine-russia conflict ofc). Time will tell.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 08, 2022, 12:15:06 PM

Today the United States faces an intelligence test. Are we going to vote for the people who let the flu scare them into trying to force everyone around them to take damaging vaccines in order to be in public while their fear causes them to print trillions of dollars and set off the largest wave of inflation in 50 years? Will we continue to encourage drag queens performing for our elementary students? Do we want men using restrooms with little girls? Do we want the federal government telling states what to do? It all seems so simple when you take a step back, but don't underestimate crazy...

Some reports I'm seeing of long lines and voting machines down. Media reports also say that with the number of mail-in ballots floating around, some results won't be known for days. Country emblematic of the freest democracy still having trouble figuring out elections, I see.

https://twitter.com/yvonnewingett/status/1589996311348400128

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Today the United States faces an intelligence test. Are we going to vote for the people who let the flu scare them into trying to force everyone around them to take damaging vaccines in order to be in public while their fear causes them to print trillions of dollars and set off the largest wave of inflation in 50 years? Will we continue to encourage drag queens performing for our elementary students? Do we want men using restrooms with little girls? Do we want the federal government telling states what to do? It all seems so simple when you take a step back, but don't underestimate crazy...

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if the people in the US country, have no self-awareness and are greedy for each other. I think it will result in civil war.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on November 03, 2022, 06:39:19 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on August 17, 2022, 06:44:26 AM

Considering how polarized United States is and how the violence has been increasing alongside inflation over there, I'm interested to know what others think about the possibility of a civil war, specially if you are from US.

I have a prediction about how they are going to try to prevent it if it becomes serious but I don't want to jinx it so here is SHA256 hash of it lol 2330132f31cf79d0113d81036d42f4d6ddbb64628ad0fbe189f99842ea0d4e16

Practically not. The US is a developed country with a high literacy rate and more educated & more conscious people. Moreover, the government is well aware of dealing with such situations. So there are no chances of Civil war within the United States.

In the US, people are required to get schooling. An unschooled adult will have a difficult time getting a good kind of job.

Kids are required to go to school and, at least, learn reading, writing, math, and history of the US.

In the past, schooling was beneficial to people. Now, it is also a method that the media and government can use to get their form of indoctrination into people.

Do it like the Commies. Indoctrinate them young... in the schools, at the same time they are learning to read and write.

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Quote from: pooya87 on August 17, 2022, 06:44:26 AM

Considering how polarized United States is and how the violence has been increasing alongside inflation over there, I'm interested to know what others think about the possibility of a civil war, specially if you are from US.

I have a prediction about how they are going to try to prevent it if it becomes serious but I don't want to jinx it so here is SHA256 hash of it lol 2330132f31cf79d0113d81036d42f4d6ddbb64628ad0fbe189f99842ea0d4e16

Practically not. The US is a developed country with a high literacy rate and more educated & more conscious people. Moreover, the government is well aware of dealing with such situations. So there are no chances of Civil war within the United States.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 27, 2022, 09:50:15 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on October 26, 2022, 01:29:48 PM

Quote from: https://time.com/6222633/second-civil-war-us-how-to-avoid/

Perhaps most concerning, a survey published last fall found that 80% of Biden voters and 84% of Trump voters view elected officials from the other party as “presenting a clear and present danger to American Democracy.” It also reported that 41% of Biden voters and 52% of Trump voters favor red or blue states seceding from the Union to form their own separate country, with 30% Republicans and 11% of Democrats ready to resort to violence to save the country. That is approximately 20 million Americans ready to fight in a country with 400-plus million guns. And this data was collected before the overturning of Roe v. Wade and the recent FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago, both of which are currently being weaponized by political pundits.

The article itself is worth reading (from the standpoint of a conflict-resolution professional).

I was reading that article but stopped once I got to the image/table titled "how we got so divided", which discredited the author.

To address your quote from the article, and the theme of the OP -- money is ultimately what drives elections; money is needed for political advertisements, and for get-out-the-vote/voter outreach efforts. The most effective way to get money is to scare people into sending money; this is often done by describing the election as very important, and by labeling their opponents as extremists.

Besides, in these times of US poverty coming to many people, most of the media Internet sites have a lot more advertising on them. So, you can barely figure out what the site says because all the advertising gets in the way.

Btw, are you making much off your advertising in Bitcointalk? Thanks for keeping it down there rather than all over the page.

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Quote from: pooya87 on October 26, 2022, 01:29:48 PM

Quote from: https://time.com/6222633/second-civil-war-us-how-to-avoid/

Perhaps most concerning, a survey published last fall found that 80% of Biden voters and 84% of Trump voters view elected officials from the other party as “presenting a clear and present danger to American Democracy.” It also reported that 41% of Biden voters and 52% of Trump voters favor red or blue states seceding from the Union to form their own separate country, with 30% Republicans and 11% of Democrats ready to resort to violence to save the country. That is approximately 20 million Americans ready to fight in a country with 400-plus million guns. And this data was collected before the overturning of Roe v. Wade and the recent FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago, both of which are currently being weaponized by political pundits.

The article itself is worth reading (from the standpoint of a conflict-resolution professional).

I was reading that article but stopped once I got to the image/table titled "how we got so divided", which discredited the author.

To address your quote from the article, and the theme of the OP -- money is ultimately what drives elections; money is needed for political advertisements, and for get-out-the-vote/voter outreach efforts. The most effective way to get money is to scare people into sending money; this is often done by describing the election as very important, and by labeling their opponents as extremists.

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Quote from: https://time.com/6222633/second-civil-war-us-how-to-avoid/

Perhaps most concerning, a survey published last fall found that 80% of Biden voters and 84% of Trump voters view elected officials from the other party as “presenting a clear and present danger to American Democracy.” It also reported that 41% of Biden voters and 52% of Trump voters favor red or blue states seceding from the Union to form their own separate country, with 30% Republicans and 11% of Democrats ready to resort to violence to save the country. That is approximately 20 million Americans ready to fight in a country with 400-plus million guns. And this data was collected before the overturning of Roe v. Wade and the recent FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago, both of which are currently being weaponized by political pundits.

The article itself is worth reading (from the standpoint of a conflict-resolution professional).

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^^^ Right. It's a common thing in America. After all, you can see from the multitudes of divorces that there are little civil wars going on all over the place... in America.

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Quote from: pooya87 on August 17, 2022, 06:44:26 AM

Considering how polarized United States is and how the violence has been increasing alongside inflation over there, I'm interested to know what others think about the possibility of a civil war, specially if you are from US.

I have a prediction about how they are going to try to prevent it if it becomes serious but I don't want to jinx it so here is SHA256 hash of it lol 2330132f31cf79d0113d81036d42f4d6ddbb64628ad0fbe189f99842ea0d4e16

there will be no war, because from the past there are times when the atmosphere is like that, so don't be weird and don't ask too many questions,
it's a common thing in America.

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This article was just released today which says More than 40% of Americans think civil war likely within a decade.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/29/us-civil-war-fears-poll

I don't know if they will wait in a decade specially if all of whats going on today and bad decisions of the government, inflation and hunger due to food crisis, this is not going to make them wait for a decade. History repeats itself, you know the country was created and its due to civil war when Britain taxed them.

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Quote from: ammodotcom on August 29, 2022, 04:13:34 PM

Quote from: Queentoshi on August 18, 2022, 02:49:15 PM

The United States is considered a mature country, they can handle their issues and ensure a civil war never breaks out. It is possible that they can go into a war with another country, but If asked the possibility of a civil war, I'd say it is highly unlikely, they are not called the United States for no reason.

If a second Civil War ever begins, it will probably be because the elites calling the shots found a way to make it profitable to themselves.

It's the people who can't think very well who join in a civil war. Meanwhile the thinkers among them reap profits wherever they see an opportunity.

For example, a shoe and boot maker doesn't have time to fight in a civil war, because he is making shoes and boots for both sides.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on August 18, 2022, 02:49:15 PM

The United States is considered a mature country, they can handle their issues and ensure a civil war never breaks out. It is possible that they can go into a war with another country, but If asked the possibility of a civil war, I'd say it is highly unlikely, they are not called the United States for no reason.

If a second Civil War ever begins, it will probably be because the elites calling the shots found a way to make it profitable to themselves.

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I see the the driving force for the two as different from each other, let's take a look at inflation, many factors as a result of pandemic and war, this are as a result of demand and supply that cut short within a specific time, causing the price of a commodity to rise or fall base on the availability of the market, civil war is mostly cause by inter geopolitical affairs between countries resulting to dispute thereby causing the strong nation or country exercising power, rule or mastery over the weak resulting into conflict that turns into war over a prolonged duration.

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There's no country in this world who are good at causing a problem for other countries than the USA because they wanted for their country to be free from American Soldiers just like what we have seen with Afghanistan. For them to cause in their own country, that would not possible because they already mastered how it will begin and they already prevented it. Just like what Trump said, they caused the civil war in Iraq and Libya.

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Most Americans are too fat for a civil war.

The riots at the Capitol had something like 3 or 4 deaths that pertained to obesity related causes like a heart attack or stroke. There are not much prospects for a civil war if most people in the developed world can't walk up a flight of stairs without being breathless. Grin

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Quote from: TheNineClub on August 19, 2022, 03:39:45 PM

Polarization does not mean civil war. Their first (and only) civil war was not because polarization, but rather a fundamental cultural divide and economic issues. While it seems that those issues are present today, they are nowhere near as they were back then.

Polarization is going to become a larger issue as we go forward. The pendulum is swinging further and further in each direction and that means more and more craziness. I feel like after 9/11 it seemed like Americans were feeling patriotic and coming together, but cooperation and patriotism has been on the downhill slide since then. This recent rise in Trump supporters has seemed to buck the trend a bit over the last few years, but I feel like that's just a blip.

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It is an exaggeration to think of a civil war in the United States even with the crisis of gun ownership and the wave of violence occurring in almost all the states. The reason is simply that all these events are individual events and have nothing to do with organized plans.

The reasons that lead to the civil war are mainly ideological reasons, motivated by ethnicities or religions through various manifestations. This does not seem to me to be the case in the United States now.

As for the economic downturn, it is a global crisis facing the whole world, and I do not think a country is able to overcome it even if it fought a civil war.

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Polarization does not mean civil war. Their first (and only) civil war was not because polarization, but rather a fundamental cultural divide and economic issues. While it seems that those issues are present today, they are nowhere near as they were back then.

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There will be no civil war, because there is no flag agreed by those who hate the US constitution. (or not that I know as a US citizen)

If a flag is made, and enough people rally behind it, then maybe.

Which 'nation' inside the US will go to war with the US constitution?

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"Civil war" is a new (well, not quite but newish) nutjob meme, mostly right wing but there are some leftists too, who can't cope with whatever "issues" they have - like pancakes not hot enough at IHOP - and the only explanation for said issues is a massive government conspiracy that can only be resolved via civil war. Obviously the orange piece of lard didn't help by discrediting the election process, so the nutjobs now have one more excuse to not vote like normal people but bitch and moan on the intertubes and dream of the day they can kill people they disagree with.

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The United States is considered a mature country, they can handle their issues and ensure a civil war never breaks out. It is possible that they can go into a war with another country, but If asked the possibility of a civil war, I'd say it is highly unlikely, they are not called the United States for no reason.

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Quote from: pooya87 on August 17, 2022, 06:44:26 AM

Considering how polarized United States is and how the violence has been increasing alongside inflation over there, I'm interested to know what others think about the possibility of a civil war, specially if you are from US.

There will be no civil war since the country is in recession which citizens are aware of that,which means they know that inflation must occur even all countries are presently under inflation.violence is carried out by human,if you are been caught you will face the law. The citizens know all this

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Considering how polarized United States is and how the violence has been increasing alongside inflation over there, I'm interested to know what others think about the possibility of a civil war, specially if you are from US.

I have a prediction about how they are going to try to prevent it if it becomes serious but I don't want to jinx it so here is SHA256 hash of it lol 2330132f31cf79d0113d81036d42f4d6ddbb64628ad0fbe189f99842ea0d4e16

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