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Topic: Is your BTC-HODL on the IRS-COINBASE "NO FLY LIST"??? (Read 150 times)

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“There is a problem though — the 99% (or 51%) could choose to orphan any block with a blacklisted address, but this requires collusion.”
Erik Voorhees believes the time will come when transaction censorship poses a serious threat to Bitcoin:

“This is not an imminent problem, but it is coming. Now is the time to prepare for it.”

The problem here that is the 500LB elephant in the house, is that CHINA already has 67% of mining under their control

They already make +90% of the ASIC/GPU HW on earth

China right-now, working with USA, can demand at any time that miner must run a specific software, or die. In one day China can redeploy BTC into anything that it wishes.

IMHO how this will transpire is first step they'll demand the new software for miners, to be KYC, and not process black-listed 'no-fly' coins,

Second step, once they have the automated update process in working order, is they'll replace the BTC mining with china-yuan CBDC mining; The CCP now owns the bitcoin china infrastructure, Jack-Ma owner of mining,hw, and payment in China is out, under house-arrest CCP has taken over world Crypto.

The time to prepare has come & gone, because old-farts on btc-core refused to see reality, this is why high-privacy alt-coin are going to the moon today, and BTC is going to hell
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The problem is that BTC has been running lies by liars for ten long years, and there are 21M ( well 2,000+ today, but eventually 21m )  other shit-coins, that have actually listened to the customer (user)

While BTC has gone down past week ( -19%), the GOOD 'real privacy' coins up 25%/day up on average.

It's game up for BTC and the liars who deny its a failure.

Fee's, slow, not-private, not-fungible, not long store value, not safe, easy to hack; The game is up, and everybody knows.

I think the worst is the not long term store of value. Given three different classes of BTC, virgin, clean, and tainted, and most are tainted, that means the majority are worthless.

It means if you long term HODL, you don't really know if your coins can be sold. IRS-COINBASE is going to make it world-wide illegal to trade tainted BTC, and they get to decide, just like TSA NO-FLY-LIST, majority of BTC will be on the NO-TRADE-LIST. Once on the list, it is impossible to clear, and it is impossible to move because the blockchain tracks all. Mixing and/or Coin-Joining these days is one of the things that get your coin on the no-fly-list, thus there is no way to clean the coin, other than sell for cash on the black market at -50% or less, but not knowing if you'll get clean coin, or other tainted coin.

So you hodl today, how to you know in the future if you can sell out? You don't, bury gold, and you know in the  future there will be a buyer.

United States Office of Foreign Assets Control, or OFAC, blacklist for crypto to identify BTC transactions it does not wish to process. The pool also requires all miners to pass Know-Your-Customer protocols. DMG’s chief operating officer, Sheldon Bennett, stated:

“The pool is focused on being devoid of transactions from known nefarious wallets which use this medium in ways that continue to sully the reputation of crypto currencies, specifically Bitcoin, in the mainstream as well as to impede widespread adoption”
Former Monero lead developer Riccardo Spagni suggested on Twitter this could be the start of a slippery slope. He speculated that transaction censorship from Bitcoin mining pools may become widespread as a result of regulatory pressure and said the concern was of “regulators looking at this and thinking it’s a good idea ‘for extreme cases like the OFAC crypto list’, then it becomes enforceable.”

“Adding more privacy to Bitcoin would prevent this,” Spagni suggested, adding:

“Stuff like p2pool & Stratum v2 make it practically unenforceable, and I’d rather rely on that than a hope & a prayer.”
P2pool is a decentralized Bitcoin mining pool that was established in 2011. The Stratum V2 draft, by Braiins, is a complete overhaul that implements BetterHash, a secondary protocol that enables mining pool constituents to decide the composition of the block they will mine, instead of pools having control over which transactions to include in each block. This should make pool censorship impossible. According to Braiins co-founder Jan Capek, the draft still needs formal review but will receive grants from Square Crypto for further development.

The founder of website Wallet Scrutiny, Leo Wandersleb, suggested the “slippery slope” of censorship “will lead to a soft fork" where pools following this approach will reject building "on blocks that don’t use their filters.”

This slippery slope will lead to a soft for where pools following this approach will reject to build on blocks that don't use their filters. Let them have their US coin.

— Leo WalletScrutiny Wandersleb (@LeoWandersleb) November 11, 2020
In August 2019, Bitcoiner Eric Voskuil predicted that government pools will mine at a loss in order to censor, while black market pools will harvest black market fees.

Not all are not convinced that transaction censorship is enforceable without the majority of miners supporting it. BlockTower chief information office Ari Paul said that even if just one miner does not comply, then there is the possibility for blacklisted transactions to be included, but added:

“There is a problem though — the 99% (or 51%) could choose to orphan any block with a blacklisted address, but this requires collusion.”
Erik Voorhees believes the time will come when transaction censorship poses a serious threat to Bitcoin:

“This is not an imminent problem, but it is coming. Now is the time to prepare for it.”
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Bitcoin needs you!
...thus there is no way to clean the coin, other than sell for cash on the black market at -50% or less, ...


Yep totally agree with you ..... I’ll buy your coin for 50%  Smiley Best get rid of it ASAP  Smiley
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lol this is like explaining something stupid about bitcoin to people who already understand how bitcoin works, how is it impossible for bitcoin to become famous in the future just look at the history of how bitcoin over the years bro
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LOL.

Cool story bro.

Take your nonsense to the altcoin sub-forum.
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Activity: 182
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The problem is that BTC has been running lies by liars for ten long years, and there are 21M ( well 2,000+ today, but eventually 21m )  other shit-coins, that have actually listened to the customer (user)

While BTC has gone down past week ( -19%), the GOOD 'real privacy' coins up 25%/day up on average.

It's game up for BTC and the liars who deny its a failure.

Fee's, slow, not-private, not-fungible, not long store value, not safe, easy to hack; The game is up, and everybody knows.

I think the worst is the not long term store of value. Given three different classes of BTC, virgin, clean, and tainted, and most are tainted, that means the majority are worthless.

It means if you long term HODL, you don't really know if your coins can be sold. IRS-COINBASE is going to make it world-wide illegal to trade tainted BTC, and they get to decide, just like TSA NO-FLY-LIST, majority of BTC will be on the NO-TRADE-LIST. Once on the list, it is impossible to clear, and it is impossible to move because the blockchain tracks all. Mixing and/or Coin-Joining these days is one of the things that get your coin on the no-fly-list, thus there is no way to clean the coin, other than sell for cash on the black market at -50% or less, but not knowing if you'll get clean coin, or other tainted coin.

So you hodl today, how to you know in the future if you can sell out? You don't, bury gold, and you know in the  future there will be a buyer.
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