Topic: Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killed! (Read 685 times)

Yes, they had to, but the death of Abu Bakr will weakened them. Now they are searching or has chosen already his predecessor and will announced in the coming days.They are fighting for their ideology and its hard to eliminate but I think its better to focus on educating the young ones that war is never an answer. More government support on basic services to  earn their trust to this affected place I think will convince some to go back in government.

The strength of ISIS came directly from economics, their seizing and operating oil wells. This in turn seemed to be "allowed" by Obama/Hillary. Quite curious, right?

Now they've lost all those, so they are very weak. And we're playing a shooting gallery.

It seems like they are trying to elect their new leader so his death might be indirectly confirmed by them as well.
So sad that this terrorism organization is not eliminated after their leader's death. I hope they are going to be weaker at least.

It seems like they are trying to elect their new leader so his death might be indirectly confirmed by them as well.
So sad that this terrorism organization is not eliminated after their leader's death. I hope they are going to be weaker at least.

I don't follow them so I don't know if they've already confirmed it but from what I observed from groups like this, they are usually slow to confirm deaths compared to how quick they are to take credit for attacks.

Though groups like this usually have an appointed successor, there often are some struggles between factions after the figurehead dies.

All the king's horses and all the King's men,

Couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again!

I’m glad he is dead, I just hope the doggie that helped get him is ok.  Good job delta force and wishing a speedy recovery for the doggo. 

You are right and I do agree with you that IS has now evolved out from one man terrorist group. In fact, the day Baghdadi was killed ISIS broadcast ed a propaganda video confirming their new leader. The new in charge was supposedly right man of Bin Laden and has also spent time with Baghdadi in jail. Nevertheless, I congratulate all for such a great news. Such extremist do deserve such execution.

Don't forget there's someone always ready and available to take his place supposedly this news is correct (which probably is). The second in command will take over his position and then continue from where he stopped. IS has out grown a one man terrorist group, kiling the leader won't have much effect since he can easily be replaced also if I'm not mistaken Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wasn't a very public individual, he doesn't come out openly often like others terrorist leaders do.

Not much of an achievement here, IS as a terrorist group hasn't been defeated. This is just a distraction for 2020 general election. Trump just been Trump with his tweet "something very big has just happened" trying to overhyped the situation for his benefit.

Do we have a confirmation from ISIS side?
I want to see something like that in order to believe that he is really dead. I mean they haven't refused the Trump allegations but they haven't confirmed al-Baghdadi's dead as well.

^^ I don't believe Americans as well. I am just saying that a confrmation of his death needs to be confirmed from both sides.
The US claims that his body turned into pieces after the explosion. However, they manage to throw him in the sea. Not any evidence about that. How about being alive and recruited by the CIA in order to learn top secrets? Have you ever thought about that?

by Stephen Lendman (stephenlendman.org - Home - Stephen Lendman)

The late Chalmers Johnson, a CIA consultant from 1967 - 1973, called for Langley's abolition, stressing that democracy and the agency's existence are incompatible.

Along with collecting and disseminating intelligence, agency operatives "perform such other functions and duties related to intelligence affecting the national security as the National Security Council may direct."

The above quote is all about the CIA's dark side, an unaccountable force unto itself, operating extrajudicially worldwide.

The late William Blum documented its involvement in assassinating foreign leaders, removing others by coup d'etats, propping up friendly despots, operating secret torture prisons, and other unlawful practices. Its agenda includes virtually every conceivable form of wrongdoing.

It tried or succeeded in toppling scores of governments worldwide, Blum saying:

"If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy (throughout) the past century, this is what crawls out: invasions, bombings, (subversion), overthrowing governments, suppressing (popular) movements for social change, assassinating political leaders, perverting elections, manipulating labor unions, manufacturing 'news,' death squads, torture, (chemical), biological (and nuclear) warfare, (radiological contamination), drug trafficking, mercenaries," police state repression, and endless wars on humanity.

From 1968 – 1973 in Southeast Asia, the CIA ran or was involved in the Phoenix Program with US Special Forces and its own Military Assistance Command Vietnam-Special Operations Group (MACV-SOG).

Why else would there be a new leader immediately after the US claims to have killed Baghdadi? I believe there were also reports that known ISIS social media channels were sharing condolences after he was killed; I have zero interest in reading ISIS propaganda, or otherwise reading anything any of them says, so I haven't been able to personally verify this.

Do we have a confirmation from ISIS side?
I want to see something like that in order to believe that he is really dead. I mean they haven't refused the Trump allegations but they haven't confirmed al-Baghdadi's dead as well.

Few weeks in, seems he really is dead, especially if the suicide vest story was true. Or at least heavily injured if not. Whether you believe ISIS are authentic terrorists or not, what we can be almost sure is that this is not over yet.

Such a great news for the affected regions and their people that the evil is finally dead. USA did good job with operation "Kayla" but sad for the dog. If you notice Trump's speech after the encounter, he mentions two words strongly in his speech " Dog" and "Coward". This was surely to entice extremist as they hate these two words the most. 

And Trump already revealed the name of the hero dog.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-dog-medal-conan-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-photograph-military/

The funny part of the photo he tweeted was edited, look at the photo on the article. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/30/trump-latest-news-tweet-dog-isis

Read more about it  here.


Trump will make  statement at 9 am Washington time (13:00 GMT), might even be true since White House spokesman announced it as " major statement".

edit: from CNN

How are you sure that terrorism attacks are going to be eliminated and that terrorists are now weakened?
The next Leader might be crazier than al-Baghdadi and sparkle a new wave of terrorism attacks around the whole world.

It was irresponsible for the Guardian to release the name of the Dog because it could potentially reveal the name of some of the soldiers who are still in combat zones in the area and endanger their lives. I don’t think the dogs name is newsworthy enough to do this.

Well that's another version of the whole story. But no one still presented a very stromg proof that ISIS was just a bunch of suicidal slaves of US which are ready to die in order to reach US' personal agenda. Nonetheless this is a very good news for us because for sure the faction of terrorists weakens. However, the war is not yet over since they only killed the leader and not all of them. He is replaceable .

You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?

Seems like the US has also killed ISIS second in command. Which I don't think warrants its own thread, so we're going to stick everything here.


For the people that are skeptical at all regarding the deaths: That's your view on the matter, though I don't see a reason for the US to not kill these people.....s

Just confirmed that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s number one replacement has been terminated by American troops. Most likely would have taken the top spot - Now he is also Dead!

Yes, that service dog that hasn't been named contributed to the raid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/29/zero-bark-thirty-dog-that-took-part-in-al-baghdadi-raid-sets-tongues-wagging

Didn't know about that thing about them with dogs but their idealogy has been passed to their members.

I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

I found it hilarious that Trump tweeted out the picture of one of the dogs that participated in the raid.

I read an opinion piece about how Trumps language in describing how he died was probably intentional in order to demoralize ISIS. They apparently very much do not like dogs and the fact that dogs not only were used to help kill the terrorist, but also to describe how he died is a major insult and should remove some credibility from those seeing ISIS propaganda.

Who ever would have guessed that a President Trump would be using Twitter as a weapon of war against America’s (and the worlds) enemies.

I'm a Thor believer. Which would you prefer, a Zeusium or a Thorium reactor?

You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?

Read more about it  here.


Trump will make  statement at 9 am Washington time (13:00 GMT), might even be true since White House spokesman announced it as " major statement".

edit: from CNN

Yeah that news is all over the place, according to CNN "the final confirmation is pending while DNA and biometric testing is conducted".  

On top of that, this is what Trump tweeted last night
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1188264965930700801





Well, i guess we will know everything in about 2 hours.

Isnt there any confirmation if this one is legit? Yeah i remember this isnt the first time but basing into those reports seems like theres a high chance.

Talking about principles which cant really be changed up no matter what even leaders being killed i agree completely that if recruitment would be choked up then
there might be a chance but that thing is nearly impossible to be handled.

Finally!  One person doesn't reflexively believe some bullshit story about some basically fictional character of a basically fictional organization just because it was reported on the Tee-Vee.

You would think that after all of the theater and fake news, more people would have wised up and become a little bit descerning, but even people here who one would expect to have a little common sense just buy everything the mainstream media pumps out seemingly without a second thought.  Oh well...what can ya do?

As long as no dead body and confirmed DNA of Abu Bakr then that shit still lurking on Syria or in neighbouring country. This shit is well known for faking out death to buy some time and to get away to the attention of media. Assuming that he was dead due to suicide is a very shit assumption considering that this guy is the leader of the most cancer terrorist group.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill,  even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

When someone who is considered the top wanted terrorist in the whole world died, I guess the news will publish articles on it. When someone who is elusive from authorities despite so many crimes that cannot be counted anymore finally falls, people will definitely talk and discuss about it, celebrate, and take a breath of relief. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is not just your ordinary mosquito.

In 2016, there were 216 million cases of malaria worldwide resulting in an estimated 445,000 to 731,000 deaths.

On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war.

Who cares? I mean really, who cares about some scumbag's death. Well, I guess it would be a good idea to publish an article when I'll kill a mosquito.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

Don't forget there's someone always ready and available to take his place supposedly this news is correct (which probably is). The second in command will take over his position and then continue from where he stopped. IS has out grown a one man terrorist group, kiling the leader won't have much effect since he can easily be replaced also if I'm not mistaken Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wasn't a very public individual, he doesn't come out openly often like others terrorist leaders do.

Not much of an achievement here, IS as a terrorist group hasn't been defeated. This is just a distraction for 2020 general election. Trump just been Trump with his tweet "something very big has just happened" trying to overhyped the situation for his benefit.

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

Don't rejoice yet. From I remember this is not the first time this guy was reported dead. If true, well then good. I don't believe the madness will stop but it's one less psychopath on Earth.


These can never be rooted out by simply killing leaders. The only way to make it stop is to dry up their recruitment pool at the same time. Which I think is hard in this part of the world.

The principle lives on even after the death of a leader; that's why it will all depend in the next successor whether he'll stop this madness or start fresh with a new foundation.

Who is Abdullah Qardash?

Abdullah Qardash is from Tal Afar, a predominantly Sunni Muslim city in northwestern Iraq. He is a graduate of an Islamic Sciences college in Mosul and had served as an army officer during Saddam Hussein’s regime. Close to al-Baghdadi’s deputy, Abu Ala al-Afri, who was killed in 2016, Qardash was nicknamed the “Professor” and the “Destroyer” and was recognised as a brutal policymaker in the group. Described by some security analysts as cruel and authoritarian yet popular and well-respected among other IS members, Qardash was responsible for eliminating those who are against al-Baghdadi’s style of leadership.

Qardash shares a history with al-Baghdadi. The two were imprisoned together at Camp Bucca detention centre in Basra by the US forces over their links to al-Qaeda in 2003. Camp Bucca was where al-Baghdadi forged close alliances with other inmates while refining his vision for the so-called Caliphate.  Qardash had served as a religious commissar and a general sharia judge for al-Qaeda before pledging his allegiance to the IS.

If this news is confirmed, it would be really great news for the whole region.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is spiritual leader and founder of ISIS.
Without him, I don't think ISIS will have strength to recover and start their terror again.

Read more about it  here.


Trump will make  statement at 9 am Washington time (13:00 GMT), might even be true since White House spokesman announced it as " major statement".

edit: from CNN

Citing two senior administration officials, the New York Times reported that US special operations commandos had carried out a risky raid in north-western Syria on Saturday against a senior terrorist leader there, but did not name the person targeted.
Isis leader Baghdadi appears in video for first time in five years
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Iran was informed by Syrian sources that Baghdadi had been killed, two Iranian officials told Reuters on Sunday.

“Iran was informed about Baghdadi’s death by Syrian officials who got it from the field,” one of the officials said.

Reuters was also told by Iraqi security sources that Baghdadi had been killed.

“Our sources from inside Syria have confirmed to the Iraqi intelligence team tasked with pursuing Baghdadi that he has been killed alongside his personal bodyguard in Idlib, after his hiding place was discovered when he tried to get his family out of Idlib towards the Turkish border,” one of the sources told Reuters.

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is believed to have detonated a suicide vest during a raid conducted by the US military in northwest Syria on Saturday, according to a senior US defense official