Topic: ISIS threatens to kill 2 Japanese hostages unless Tokyo pays $200 million (Read 2345 times)

Agree with that. If ransom was made, it would encourage terrorists to take more hostages.

They would have to be stupid to pay up, just imagine how many new victims would then be..
I feel sorry for the hostages tho, but u cant fund extremists, ever

Did they demand the money in bitcoin ? If they did, we would see a massive pump
I wonder how these money-hostage trades happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BesJZzIvQ4

Jordan should execute their Isis prisoners.... And nato should storm that place already and just kill them all, estimated 18,000- 30,000 members is nothing compared to the allied forces and superior weaponry and unlimited funds

Its not like they haven't  killed millions of people in the past  for a lot less - the west is being too civilised to this scum and they are taking advantage of the lack of retaliation 

The second hostage seems to have been executed as well.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/31/middleeast/isis-japan-jordan-hostages/

This is fucking sad. I don't get how someone can even do that
Prayers to the guy and your  family

Why do you guys watch this show?

$200 million was too much. But I heard that the Spanish paid $5 million a few months ago to get some of their citizens released.

To be technical they are constitution locked as well to disarmament as an agreement of WWII
Of course in modern times the Allied powers are telling them to break it, that said it does seem like something that would qualify as an SDF operation
Self Defense Forces
http://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-hostage-crisis-revives-debate-over-military-force-1422283548

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Mr. Abe’s government on Monday convened a session of parliament in which it plans to introduce legislation that will allow Japan to engage in “collective self-defense,” including aiding allies such as the U.S. in regional conflicts threatening Japan’s security, and to come to the rescue of Japanese citizens abroad.
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Send in a fully armed apache chopper with the cash, exchange it for the hostages and fly out
5 min later airstrike the fuckers from 60,000 feet with laser guided missile

They won't have actually gotten the cash (or gotten to spend it anyway   and you will have killed the right people and given them not much incentive to try that again....

Of course they will try other methods but for every problem theres a solution...

You won't know whom you hit. There are too many of them.
If they think they can get cash, it might embolden them to try such kidnappings again.

bombing is actually  very effective ,you could blow them back to the stone age with a couple of missiles

the only issue is bombs are indescriminate  so the women and children will die as well  ,i think thats why theyre holding off on  a major bombing campaign

send in the special forces on the ground  might be better, joint operation from usa ,uk and japan and nato allies

they cant really invade otherwise it will be another Iraq type war and bombing isn't really effective.

It's just crazy that none of the governments seem to really care all that much.

do you honestly think if they killed ISIS terrorists anyone would care ?
japan and the rest of the world should make it rain fire on that place as soon as the other hostage is either
released or confirmed to have been killed
 

Japan' prime minister have to be careful in their political stand,
before shinzo abe as prime minister, they have changed many prime ministers in several years,
and their economies have been stucked in the past 20 years.
Hence, they will be blamed for any rash actions.

thats because western countries dont have any ballz anymore

if they were killing russian hostages and were "negeotiating" with vladimir putin i
think he would make an example out of them .....might not save the hostages but
im sure the ISIS guys wouldnt get to do it twice

Yep, that would be the ideal case, unfortunately I haven't seen any country sending thousands of troops after ISIS killed their citizens.

The Japanese should reply, like any other country should that has hostages taken by isis, if you harm any of our ppl, we will send dozens of fighter jets and thousand of troops into your area and fight against you. That should be done.

200kk US dollars? Wow. That would be 1kk btc. I would lovely sell some japs for 1.000.000 btc =)

Nuclear weapons destroy the environment for future generations  , conventional missiles will work just  fine....

 

Give them the money in cash , free the hostages, and then ten minutes later hit them with a cruise missile which will also destroy the cash

Simple is the best solution sometimes....

Thanks was going to update on this as well
It's an interesting argument for Japanese politics, one to get out of international actions not related to self defense, or two to get aggressive on ISIS and other parties.
Apparently his backstory wasn't the most convincing one for option 1 but we will see.

I think there is still one of the two guys alive, did they really kill both now? Damn these fucking bastards need to get nuked so badly.

They seem to have been executed. 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/24/japan-attempts-verify-isis-hostage-beheading-video-yukawa

cyanide pill? maybe

How the f'ck do you commit suicide when you are kept and watched upon 24 7? you stop breathing?
This isnt samurai times anymore, these people are normal fellas.

that was in warfare though. I agree that they were very honor bound but I don't think they would have done that in this scenario.

I would like to know how isis plans to receive that money without the japs giving them more than they bargained for.

if they pay 200M in bitcoin would be great   

Its a problematic situation. If you don't save them, well, they die.. so its bad. But if you save them, you give a loads of money to the enemy, which also basically gives them a moral victory as well, plus you risk that they kill them anyway.
As far as I know not a single citizen has been saved yet from all of these beheadings commited by that idiot.

This should not be just the problem for Japanese, the whole world needs to combine their powers and resources to get rid of these terrorists, otherwise they'll keep doing this. And tomorrow it would be someone from another country.

By taking People as commodities, they deny the opportunity for those People to convert to Islam according to their Free Will, that explains my Strikethrough, but to come back to your comments:



I think they, who are going to die, have no idea...

These Muslims need to be careful about taking on the Japanese.
When it comes to hacking off heads, the Japanese are experts.

200 million for two japs? Wow! Where can I catch some? I'd give some bargain prices, as low as 20 million each. That's 80% off! .
BTW how ransom payments are taxable in the UK? Is it goes under the income tax, or maybe CGT? .

I doubt they'll do anything at all, for all their talk about being tough on terrorism and fighting it, governments actually do very little to help their citizens in these cases, if you ever find yourself about to be taken hostage it would be better to not let yourself get taken alive, at least that's how I'd feel about it, just because once you get taken hostage that's pretty much it, no one will help you in that scenario.

(CNN)Two Japanese hostages, one demand from ISIS: Hand over $200 million, or else.

The else being that the pair will meet the same gruesome fate as other captives held by the terrorist group, others who were shown in ISIS videos kneeling in orange jumpsuits in front of masked, black-clad men -- just like the Japanese hostages identified as Kenji Goto Jogo and Haruna Yukawa -- shortly before being beheaded.

In the latest video, a masked man gives the Japanese government a choice to pay $200 million -- the same amount of money Prime Minister Shinzo Abe recently pledged for those "contending" with ISIS -- to free the Japanese men. That deal holds for 72 hours, which would seem to mean sometime Friday, since the video appeared on social media Tuesday.

Another move that theoretically could change things would be if Japan's government halts its alliance with those fighting ISIS, which calls itself the Islamic State. Tokyo hasn't participated in airstrikes aimed at the Islamist extremist group, though its leaders have supported those who have, as well as the Iraqi government.

"Although you are more than 8,500 kilometers away from the Islamic State, you willingly volunteered to take part in this crusade," the masked man on the video posted Tuesday says, addressing his comments to Abe.

But Abe, who is visiting the Middle East, didn't seem about to bargain Tuesday.

He stood by a pledge, made in a speech at the weekend in Cairo, for funding to help build "human capacities, infrastructure and so on" for those affected by ISIS' armed campaign.

"The pledge aid is very important to the refugees in need and has nothing to do with the Islamic communities or the radical militants," the Prime Minister said. "... We will contribute to the (region's) peace and stability, in cooperation with the global community."

As to the ISIS threat against two of his nation's citizens, Abe called it "unacceptable."

"I feel angry about it," he said. "I strongly urge them to immediately release the hostages without harming them."

Cont: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/20/middleeast/isis-japan-hostages/
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Since it's Japan we are talking about I wonder what they will do here, technically their is a strong will in their constitution to self-defense only after the Second World War as demanded by the Allied powers, so what they do by Friday will be interesting.
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