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legendary
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If governments had forced people to wear masks as early as February, that number of cases would not have reached that level. and when I talk about compelling, I'm including using the gallows to make people obey. but unfortunately many governments were soft and were waiting for each person to use common sense and this proved that in times like these it is necessary to use force to save people's lives. today the number of cases does not stop rising and even with the lockdown the number is not reducing.

Love em or hate them sometimes command and control just flat out beats a democracy. At least when it comes to a pandemic.
Your free to do what you want can also be flipped back to your free to do what you want as long as you don't F it up for the rest of us.

Looking at you Politicians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCisCyS4btg
legendary
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If governments had forced people to wear masks as early as February, that number of cases would not have reached that level. and when I talk about compelling, I'm including using the gallows to make people obey. but unfortunately many governments were soft and were waiting for each person to use common sense and this proved that in times like these it is necessary to use force to save people's lives. today the number of cases does not stop rising and even with the lockdown the number is not reducing.
legendary
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Generally its a game of whether coordinators can overcome government screw ups and non-compliance.
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These were not 'mistakes' or 'screw-ups'.  It was a deliberate attempt to get as many people infected as possible as quickly as possible during the brief 'bulge' that are typical of all coronavirus and many other yearly contagious infections.

Where they were tested back in Q2 2020 infection rates via antibody testing were running from 10% in Bakersfield up to 25% in some places like Jew York.

Why do this?  They planned before this thing started to mis-use RT-PCR to keep the panic going.  Anytime Gates needed a '2nd wave' or more general panic, they just PCR'd more people and found viral particles from months prior.  They also pulled a bait-n-switch be conflating 'cases' with illness so most people who came up hot with PCR were not sick at all and never would be.  These were reported as 'new' 'cases' along with a ton of mainstream media fear-mongering.

They just needed to string things out until there was some vaguely plausible argument that they invented a new 'safe and effective' vaccine.  They pulled it off better than I would have guessed.  Now they just blame all of the vaccine injuries on a 'new strain' and like nonesense.  Sheeple eat that one up to.  Since many (and even most by the looks of things) 'medical professionals' won't touch the 'vaccine' for themselves or their own families they cannot make it mandatory very easily.  So they'll get the dopes who cannot read mainlined, but a lot of slightly higher functioning people will skate.  At least on the phase-I of this operation.  So it looks to me at this point.



I see your point, a lot of this is connected to Wall Street and Gamestop YOLOs, kind of find it interesting how the big corps and malls can be packed but then all these small businesses are shut down.

What does this result in record profits for the big corps and small businesses barely scraping by, it's why I understand stories like that in a small town in Alberta called the Whistle Stop Cafe where people are just sick of Covid's two sided oppression and are trying to do something about it.

Made me want to make this lockdown scenario since I'm sure there are people outside big corp that would want something like this just to have a normal life again.

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https://www.facebook.com/whistlestoptruckstopcafe

Several businesses in rural Alberta are openly going against COVID-19 restrictions — one with in-person dining and another with a mask-optional policy.

In Mirror, Alta., just over 65 kilometres east of Red Deer, the Whistle Stop Café opened on Jan. 21.

The restaurant has been serving about 250 people each day. The owner says that he makes sure customers know that the business is breaking the rules.

“We let them know that they could be subject to fines,” said Christopher Scott, the owner of Whistle Stop Café. “And if they don’t leave, after they get a fine, they could be subject to arrest for obstruction of justice.

“And everybody just says, ‘Yeah… We’re with you.'”

“Let’s talk about the repercussions of not opening,” he said Monday. “So a business like mine, if I didn’t open, there’s a good chance that we would go under in less than a month.”

“They are often times in such a point of desperation at this point that they are left with no option but to (defy orders).”

https://globalnews.ca/news/7599308/alberta-businesses-covid-19-restrictions-open/

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Then I read about double standards in other places and ya rage

The rural folks are expected to follow the stupid rules, while others are not. Case in point: today Jan 27 at a ski resort, I legally ordered a drink and food at a restaurant indoors and sat at an indoor table without a mask, and less than 6 feet from others, and I consumed it. Yes in Alberta. No AHS Nazis in sight anywhere and while I am sure this big business has some sort of special exemption, why can't small business receive the same consideration as these big businesses?
legendary
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Generally its a game of whether coordinators can overcome government screw ups and non-compliance.
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These were not 'mistakes' or 'screw-ups'.  It was a deliberate attempt to get as many people infected as possible as quickly as possible during the brief 'bulge' that are typical of all coronavirus and many other yearly contagious infections.

Where they were tested back in Q2 2020 infection rates via antibody testing were running from 10% in Bakersfield up to 25% in some places like Jew York.

Why do this?  They planned before this thing started to mis-use RT-PCR to keep the panic going.  Anytime Gates needed a '2nd wave' or more general panic, they just PCR'd more people and found viral particles from months prior.  They also pulled a bait-n-switch be conflating 'cases' with illness so most people who came up hot with PCR were not sick at all and never would be.  These were reported as 'new' 'cases' along with a ton of mainstream media fear-mongering.

They just needed to string things out until there was some vaguely plausible argument that they invented a new 'safe and effective' vaccine.  They pulled it off better than I would have guessed.  Now they just blame all of the vaccine injuries on a 'new strain' and like nonesense.  Sheeple eat that one up to.  Since many (and even most by the looks of things) 'medical professionals' won't touch the 'vaccine' for themselves or their own families they cannot make it mandatory very easily.  So they'll get the dopes who cannot read mainlined, but a lot of slightly higher functioning people will skate.  At least on the phase-I of this operation.  So it looks to me at this point.

legendary
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That sounds pretty cool, but why not just make test when you enter? I think an isolation time of 3-4 days together with a corona test should be enough to guarantee that no infected people would enter the city. Also there needs to be some special procedure for all the delivery trucks coming into town, maybe they could be operated by some self driving cars and get desinfected before being opened. The concept is very nice and should used for some larger cities in rural areas where are not a lot of people visiting from outer town.

I would support fast testing however it seems to be failing at catching all cases we can see this with how new variants are spreading, South African Variant, British variant etc got here by plane and likely a missed case, so I went with two weeks.
I think there is also an argument for a month as sometimes the cases may be latent longer.

Assumptions in the above: (1) tests have 100% accuracy/recall (2) a 2 week period works for every single metabolism. Both false.

However, if the rate is kept at a minimum outbreaks would be manageable thinking Taiwan where they cell phone traced everyone and had those connections lockdown while using the quarantine hotels and New Zealand both did a good job of keeping a normal life going for them, even with a few Covid cases in the community.

In regards to a food supply, that seems to be the real issue I would say a mix of sustenance farming and decontaminating the food stock by shooting it up with UV lights etc would go a long way to keeping the isolation effective.

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I'll add some other parameters that may be worth considering.

 10% of cases are still contagious after two weeks
- You need the public to be onboard
- Need very clear guidelines and a two week rolling window
- Need high testing rates (tests are also inaccurate)
- Need effective contact tracing
-Need all levels of government to cooperate.

Small rule breeches can cause a huge cascade, for example there was one family that broke the rules and had 30 guests, and that nearly restarted the pandemic because one was infected from overseas. There are also all sorts of lobby groups that want exceptions to the rules.

You are in a constant state of having no herd immunity until hopefully the vaccine is effective and rolled out before someone screws up the quarantine more than can be recovered from.

However you have the advantage if it works of not destroying the economy and fewer people die.

Generally its a game of whether coordinators can overcome government screw ups and non-compliance.

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Some of the breaches we have had:
1. Cruise ship shopped around all the different authorities until they found a person they confused and were given sufficient approval to disembark a load of people with covid-19

2. Staff at airports and for airliners had loads of exceptions and did not comply. For example if they were allowed to quarantine at home instead of a hotel but then just went outside and infected people.

3. Some German tourists as they were getting on the bus to go to quarantine told police they were domestic travelers and were in the wrong line then were allowed to run off.

4. People in lockdown in one hotel who had covid told security that they wanted McDonalds and were allowed to exit the hotel.
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That sounds pretty cool, but why not just make test when you enter? I think an isolation time of 3-4 days together with a corona test should be enough to guarantee that no infected people would enter the city. Also there needs to be some special procedure for all the delivery trucks coming into town, maybe they could be operated by some self driving cars and get desinfected before being opened. The concept is very nice and should used for some larger cities in rural areas where are not a lot of people visiting from outer town.
legendary
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Totally.

I think most people would answer the question in the same way. There are some questions as to how long this pandemic is going to go on for, so is it worth it to uproot your life (potentially temporarily or maybe permanently) to do this to have a few months of no pandemic life.

Though this sort of thing could be done on a temporary basis with college kids, old folks homes, and so on and so forth to keep life moving for some people.

You have some issues when it comes to — how are you going to get food into the isolated city as imports and exports could potentially  bring in covid.

But without all of that, I’d totally want to do this to live in an isolated covid free city.
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The idea of being isolated for 14days before being granted full access is a reasonable move. If staying off for 14days before being granted into the city is a part of the requirement or law that needs to be upheld  before access to the desired city i am visiting, it is no big deal. I am more than willing to not be a risk to other people in that city.
legendary
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Would you be willing to move to a newly built city in a pandemic country and be on a complete lockdown.

Basically, people make it a giant pain to get in the city, you have to stay on a two-week lockdown before entrance inside however once your inside people can go to restaurants watch movies play games in public and do whatever you want to do within the confines of the city.

You can have your normal life back.

To maximize freedom you can leave the confined city any time you want however any time you want back in no matter how long you left you will need to wait 2 weeks to get back in the isolated city.

Would you opt-in would you invite your friends to wait it out in there etc?
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