Topic: Israel (Read 1341 times)

That is fine by me.
I personally try to see people equal no matter from where they come or what kind of background they carry.
For Israelis and Palestinians probably two state solution is only possible since there is too much blood spilled to forgive or forget.
Have a nice day my Israeli bitcoin loving friend.
Bye.

fair enough - but i think we reached a point we can go no further
so i guess we would have to agree to disagree
that being said i can say that personally i do hope to have both parties (and it does need both parties) to get to some kind of understanding
and finish this thing up (especially since i heard there is great humus in Nablus and i do want to check it out )

I offered answer which I can give my friend.
Yes he is funny and probably bored

only dumb people let dumb things happen without interference

it might also be about Obama but its not
About the significance of what happens in Israel i guess there are quite allot of people who wouldn't agree with you
but thank you for your dime - and of course you don't have to read if you are not interested
best of luck to you

its like you made a thread for the sake of arguing and nothing else. you are arguing about an irrelevant third world country where nothing of significance happens and your opinion on the matter is irrelevant but you want to feel important so you go on the internet and argue with people in the same possible about matters that you really have no idea of let alone influence or say over

the thread might as well be discussing if barack obama is actually a nigger or not

up until a few hundred years the whole world insisted the earth revolves around the sun
please answer the question

p.s.
flavius - funny guy

what is even being debated here rofl

This was like you saying that Canadian territory don't belong to Canada because those territories were not populated by Canadians. That is funny.
So we should go maybe to Canada, Russia or African unpopulated deserts and pin our flag into land and declare it as a country?

Having control over land and being occupied are two things my friend. All world apart from few countries will say that Palestinians live under siege and occupation.

The thread is not about Iran but Iran gives a good example of how the UN works - as for the maps you attached let us see what happens history wise
first of all there is no such thing a Palestinian Land the land was never controlled by Palestinians.
1946 - this is a false maps it assumes automatically that any land where Jewish population wasn't present (even if no Palestinian population was present) is a Palestinian land
which is of course unacceptable.
1947 - UN partition plan - Jewish community agreed Palestinian Population declined(UN resolution 181) - after Israel was announced Israel was attacked by armies of Egypt,Jordan,Syria,Iraqת,Lebanon,Saudi Arabia(within the Egyptian Army) ,and Local Arab forces they however managed to lose and thus you get the 1949 seize fire line.
1967 - 6 days war started with an Israeli preemptive strike again Syria and Egypt but the important part is that there wasn't a strike against Jordan Israel sent a diplomatic message to stay out of it - however Jordan attacked Israel - and lost the territories that from some reason are marked as Palestinian land and not as a Jordan Land.
all the lose of land as it is called is a result of refusing to negotiate and trying to get things by force and failing.

p.s.
The Innocents Abroad, or The New Pilgrims' Progress  is a travel book written by mark twain in his Journey to Israel - he describes Israel as an Empty desert and nothing else - the important phrase is Empty - not settled by Palestinians as the map suggests.

now as agreed my question :
The so called Palestinians claim that they have ownership of the land because it's their land so tell when in the history (you can go back as far as you want) there was a Palestinian ruling of this specific piece of land?

This is not thread about Iran.
To undermine UN from Israel point of view was expected but I tend not to agree with you, in fact me and most of the 193 UN member states.

As for you question, I will show you the map of Palestine / Israel from some years ago.
You don't have to be rocket scientist to see what happened.

how are you even on a computer? dont you spend the majority of the day hiding from bullets in holes in the ground?

i won't answer to each resolution in turn it would take to much time
i will however undermine the UN itself
The UN has had many decisions regarding Israel however on a more urgent issue like for the way Iran is treating its citizens(gays\women\non Muslims) or the way Saudi Arabia(gays\women\non Muslims) is treating its citizens or the way  Palestinian authority(gays\women\non Muslims) is treating its citizens and i can continue however if you are a real thinker you would detect a pattern here.
from 2003 there was rocket launching from Gaza to the southern part of Israel (only towards civilian targets) the UN wasn't very interested he had at most one resolution made however it had a resolution against Israel the moment launched an army campaign to stop the launches - this is the UN the UN resolution are automatic without any relations to the real situations - they are a result of political power and not of the actual things that happen on the land itself.
So i don't give much weight to the UN resolution (from a moral stand point ).

as for my question - its a simple one can be phrased easily the so called Palestinians claim that they have ownership of the land because it's there land
so tell when in the history (you can go back as far as you want) there was a Palestinian ruling of this specific piece of land?  

lol, looks like you are OK right now if we are not counting in bad judgment and lack of comprehension skills.
Carry on son.

lol @ being in an argument with a muslin

all i need are one story government buildings and ill be ok

lol, this is my thread posted on request.
Somalia and Israel equal? You must be 10 years old.
I am not sure can you comprehend words such as "Politics & Society".

because its an irrelevant third world country. does somalia have a place on this forum? no. you are free to leave this forum

Why?
You are free to leave this thread anytime you want.

israel should have no place on this forum, please stop discussing it

I never said that Israel shouldn't exist and posted those quotes for reference what happened.
The question from above should be, are you comfortable with having so much UN resolutions against Israel condemning illegal settlements and inhuman treatment of Palestinians?
And please state your opinion about those resolutions, since that they are facts and publicly available.

we were talking about an adult discussion you are just throwing lots of text in here \
so from the little i can gather I'm guessing that your question/accusation is that Israel shouldn't exist because it sits on what should be Palestine in your opinion?
please verify or clarify

I asked to start where we left before you started reporting my posts.
So here it is. Don't laugh too laud.






By the definition LIE is a fabrication which can't be supported with facts or evidences, and since you called me a liar I feel invited to clarify and prove my point.

Here is the list of those as you call them "lies"

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992

    Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
    Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
    Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
    Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
    Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
    Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
    Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
    Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
    Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
    Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
    Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
    Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
    Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
    Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
    Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
    Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
    Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
    Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
    Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
    Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
    Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
    Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
    Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
    Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
    Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
    Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
    Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
    Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
    Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
    Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
    Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
    Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
    Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
    Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
    Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
    Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
    Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
    Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
    Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
    Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
    Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
    Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
    Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
    Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
    Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
    Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
    Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
    Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
    Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
    Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
    Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
    Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
    Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
    Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
    Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
    Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
    Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
    Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
    Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
    Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
    Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
    Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
    Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
    Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
    Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/un.html

Exact links to documents and more can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine

btw. thanks for calling me a liar, it was kind of expected.
If you want private discussion I am opened for it, but judging by your attitude and evasion of questions asked I feel we won't get anywhere.

Now I kindly ask you to be decent enough and call things as they are.
To be honest only term to be used by the international law are; "illegal occupation", "war crimes" and "state sponsored terrorism", but probably years will pass until we see Israel convicted for those crimes by international court of law.

You have an option here and that is to ignore me (see the magic button under my nick name), or to stop replying to my posts and that will be it. Am I fair or what!