Topic: Israel is scary (Read 466 times)

I have got the impression that when comes to military capabilities, Israel mostly rely on the quality of their training and not the number of combatants, they are a small country so they cannot possibly have many people to fight, they have to focus on train the few the have as much as possible and invest in technology to defend themselves.
People tend to over-estimatr the power of Israel as well, I believe their real power comes for the close alliance it's has with the United States and other western governments, without them Israel may not stand a chance against it's Arab neighbors.

The fight and their desire to fight comes from their wish to hold land and to defend the legacy for their future generations. One can call it Zionism or their right to exist, but one cannot deny their determination.

Israel is country that normally fobt showcase the nuclear weapons they have , but I know Israel is powerful country with diverse weapons. Israel has one of the best military in the world but my concern is that I just wish this fight comes to an end because it will define affect the common people.  I dislike war because it is a terrible condition expecially those who were not prepare for it, no food to eat and no drug to take. I hope everything becomes calm.

Isreal is only trying to protect their citizens and prevent the future attacks on their soil. The world should know this and not tag it like isreal was the first that started the war. The Hamas are meant to be blamed not the Israel government. This war is not going to last and the Hamas would have to release the people that was arrested and send them back to there country. This is the only way the war is going to end and that region would see peace again.

I have read about the nuclear Opacity of Israel and I must admit that it is indeed one of the most disturbing things about that nation. They won't either confirm or deny their nuclear arsenal.
Their idea is to persuade their enemies to attack them through the uncertainty of the existence of such dangerous weapons.  It may sound like an intelligent strategy, perhaps it is better than openly claiming to have nuclear warheads and promise a retaliation if anything happens.

It would be better if neither side had those weapons and the two states solution got implemented between Palestine and Israel.

Israel is scary I don't think so but the war between Israel and Palestine has led to a basically scary situation. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is indeed a deeply complex and acute problem that has caused suffering and fear for both Israelis and Palestinians. This protracted conflict has seen periods of violence, including war, terrorism and ongoing conflict, which have had a lasting impact on the region and its people. The fear and uncertainty created by these conflicts is because innocent civilians are often caught in the crossfire, resulting in loss of life, displacement and deep trauma. Acknowledging the severity of this conflict and working towards a peaceful solution that ensures the safety and well-being of all affected.

Israel's "nuclear opacity" policy originates no just the fear OP shows, but also is the origin of several conspiracy theories and "maybe true, maybe myths" ideas, the two main ones are:

The above mentioned idea about Israel and apartheid era South Africa developing together weapons of mass destruction, allegedly culminating in their first functional nuke

And the "Samson Option" thing, about Israel aiming those alleged nukes to everyone around including their own allies and ready to launch them in case of imminent military defeat

Maybe too fantastic, but again, we likely will never know for sure

I feel that nations might want to own up that they have certain destructive weapons, so other nations will fear them, some will even showoff their military drills to show readiness for battle, with the aim of intimidating their neighboring countries. So if Israel, have the weapon of mass destruction or not, for the fact that America, supports them totally means that they're to be dreaded in terns of warfare. I think that these weapons of mass destruction, should not be exported to other countries, because it can be compromised along the way and if it gets into the wrong hands, that'll be disastrous for the whole world. It's best for this evil creations to be allowed in the hands of a few civilized nations., that will not abuse the power to use them.

I know if you are an Israelite you will also support your country to fight against the Palestine that are ready to do anything to kill the people of the Israelites. War should not be an option but Israel needed to fight back because the tragic scene will keep happening.
I don't support any party but I am against the killing of innocent people. Are the pelestine innocent? No they are not, they started everything and they have to cleae the plate which they used to commit attack on innocent people that are living peacefully.

It was the second day that hostages were getting released by Hamas.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/25/israel-hamas-live-news-prisoners-and-captives-welcomed-home

For now there is a pause but we never know what is going to happen after the 4 day pause.

To me Israel is scary and I know even their war against palatine was to show the world that they are not to be messed with, I will go to a country to murder some of their soldiers and expect them not to retaliate even all the aggressive attacks was as a result of the vengeance of their soldiers that were killed, and war is not good and all this is because Israel doesn't want to show that they are weak, they are already doing negotiations for the hostages so we hope the war should end.

They have nothing to fight. The only country with armaments in the region is Iran but are also cautious for they are surrounded by countries they also have conflict with. If they ever destroyed Israel, they would all be bombing each other after it.

But all the rest depends on the US army that's why the US has a bunch of military camps on each border. You could either look at it that way or the US also has to make sure they fight each other so they have reason to occupy.

I don't think Israel is scary. Its just surrounded by a bunch a coward Arab countries who don't have courage to fight and defend themselves. Israel is always ready to fight while KSA KING is busy making peace deals with everyone around the world. 

For some reason Israel is supported by USA so much and reason is not clear to me. During 1973 Arab conflict with Israel, USA jumped in supplied tanks via airlift that saved Israel. It was for the first time in history that tanks were supplied via aircraft's. It's very obvious that Israel cant survive without support of USA.

And still claim they are the people of God. It was on the news that they were also planning to smoke the Hamas inside the tunnel, I have no idea what it means when they say smoke but it must be a bioweapon to force those men out or die under the tunnel and this was before they consider the hostage exchange.

They are willing to kill their own men in order to kill the Hamas. But it's not surprising anymore, they were bombing hospitals.

It's funny, Israel had a ministerial cabinet member basically admit that the state had nuclear weapons by saying they could always opt to nuke gaza out of existence with their nuclear arsenal, only for the country's Prime Minister to reprimand him, not for the sake of humanity, but because he made such a revelation.

It's sickening. I hope these people will be tried for crimes against humanity soon.

Finally there is a positive news that Israel is agree on a four day cease fire. Hamas will release 50 Israeli captives and in return Israel will release 150 Palestinians mostly under age of 19.
There are 14000 confirmed Palestinians causalities in this conflict and many people are still missing. Gaza has population of around 2 million, so Israel will be happy that he has eliminated a big part of Gaza population. Even in a year long conflict between two equal powers i.e. Ukarine and Russia we have lesser number of causalities.
Who wins in this conflict is still not clear but its the innocent civilians who paid the price. Thanks to social media activists of Gaza I know have a clear understanding of how CNN, BBC, SKY news are manipulating facts and justifying Israel war crimes.

Because of this acquisition of nuclear weapons in the world, the "League of Nations" was formed to destroy the war weapons and create peace and harmony but war with it nature can not be controlled by human being so second world war escalated and acquisition of weapons continue. And as it is now, no country can stop the other countries for the acquisition of weapons. In 2013 to 2015, North Korea was testing their nuclear weapons.

Well Israel has not used the nuclear weapons they have but they are using other heavy weapons and America is also supporting them so they are on the winning side of the war. And from my own opinion Palestine caused the war by killing over 300 personnels of Israel and Israel now is on the revenge action.

Better pick a side and choose carefully.  'Lists' are being drawn up.

Michael Rapaport: "Jewish Friends Are Making a List" | Lack of Support for Israel = Naughty List
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4YHE5rXmJE2t/

Michael Rapaport son of Hungarian born David Rapaport has been speaking candidly about his disappointment of the "lack of support for Israel" amid the ongoing Israel-Palestinian conflict. He went as far as saying that his Jewish friends are making "naughty and nice" lists. Those who have voice support for Israel's ongoing genocidal war on the Palestinian civilians will find it easy to get "loans" and "money for investments". As for those who have supported peace, or displeasure with Israels conduct or even as far as not "speaking up" in support of Israel the naughty list.

American press will never tell you about "our greatest ally" and it's secret nuclear and nerve gas
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zSKM4hACaRoO/

Israel could easily gas most of the Gaza and get rid of all the people there with chemical or biological weapons and just say it was 'Hamas' who did it.  It matters not a bit whether there is a shred of evidence presented, weather it makes any sense, or whether it would even be possible.  Most of the people who actually matter will grasp at anything to let Israel off the hook so they will happily glom on to the story.  Most likely it will be classified as anti-semitism to deny the official 'Hamas weapons accident' narrative and thus be criminalized in most Western countries.  To be extra-safe just make the U.S. do the deed then if needed just scapegoat the sin off onto 'the Americans.'  Those installed as 'leaders' to run the U.S. would be happy to take the blame.

I believe OP means that Israel is scary in term of military response to the attack and also the fact Israel as a country has most of the backing of Western countries, being the most highlighted case the United States. Also, you should keep in mind that Israel has alledgely one of the most far right governments and also many extreme nationalists in their government. I recall a news about one of them, personally giving away assault weapons to Israeli settlers, that was quite disturbing, to be honest, knowing how Palestinian are displaced by settlers.
That is what I think he meant with "scary". Any country has the right to defend itself against terrorists, but this middle eastern situation is indeed scary.

The unrevealed of the politician pertaining the said amination has nothing to be worried about. In my native parable, there is a saying that... " You shouldn't be so relaxed that you have the best planning when you don't know the plans of the  others".
Israel is not scary and not also Palestine is scary. What is scary about is the war that is destroying lives and properties for all lives and valuables matters.

Meanwhile... If Israel should do everything possible to protect its people, of course that is the best expected of a government having a drastic measure to prioritize its primary concerns towards its citizens and nation at large.
So not only Israel striving to protect its nation but also as the Palestine's.

Israel is not scary, since the Hamas campaign, the Israeli forces have been extremely aggressive on Palestine. Attacking one after another. The civilians of Gaza are passing their days in a pitiful condition, being harassed not only physically but also mentally. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has promised a strong response to the attack. Israel says Hamas has declared war on them. This incident has created reactions around the world. Let's see how any country or international alliance views this situation or what response they have shown.

Imported weaponry, mostly I assume.
Whether one is on the side of Israel or not, one needs to acknowledge how taxpayer money from the people in the United States is being used to fund wars abroad, does not mater whether one as a taxpayer agrees with using money that way or not.
Also, even though I agree any country is supposed to have the right to defend themselves from terrorist, I am afraid Israel and his prime minister will leverage on this current situation to push people from gaza out the strip and perhaps even build settlements there once the dust has settled. Hamas did not act logically (no terrorist do, by the way) if what they wanted to do was to protect the rights of the people from Gaza and Palestine as a whole.

25-30% of Asian youth would identify themselves as LGBTQ, a deluded and completely for profit education and healthcare system would start brainwashing even prepubescent children into trying out extremely harmful hormone replacement therapies to promote that dark agenda,

friends, coworkers, spouses would constantly whistleblow and rat on eachother in the name of "political correctness",

police would brutalize their own tax paying citizens with military grade equipment and yet let crime run rampant amongst certain privileged groups under the orders of their social engineering overlords,

in short Asia might have looked a lot more like the shithole that is the failing USA today, so I think most rational people would agree world is far better off this way.

I wonder what the world would look like if US President Truman agreed with General McArthur to nuke China in order to stop the Chinese from sending millions of soldiers to Korea. Pretty sure the Korean peninsula would've been united in a democratic government and North Korean citizens would've been mostly rich by now. And current communist China would've been small or even wiped out by the Taiwanese. Tibet, Manchuria and maybe even Xinjiang would've declared their own independence. Instead, Truman removed McArthur from command. Now the US world dominance long term is in danger by the ever-growing China.

Anyone using nukes in our current times would be insane. Even threatening to use them for a country like Israel will surely come back to bite them. I worry that they feel too empowered with all their weaponry and aren’t thinking logically about the hatred they’re fostering for their future. I hope they know what they’re doing.

the war between Israelis and Palestinians have been going since the beginning of the time this isn’t the first arab-jewish war that broke out in fact many have already started and ended in the past leaving more land to Israelis and less to Palestinians each time

this probably is the biggest the world has ever seen with more social media coverage everyone has eyes on the israel-palestine conflict i fear that israel will only stop once they’ve obtained what they want and that is full ownership of palestine , they want their land in short the terrorist attack has given israel the opportunity to do just this

UN will most likely order for a ceasefire with most countries voting for it let’s see where it will end

They will not in any way reveal such information to the public, and Israel wants to demonstrate to the rest of the world that if a country wants war, it will give it to them. After all, how can you invade a country and kill 400 soldiers without expecting retaliation? War is bad, but Israel does not want to be perceived as weak.  And when it comes to Arsenal, Israel is a serious country. I sincerely hope that this conflict ends soon because, although we may not be offended, we still have to deal with the fallout.

Ideally, international wars have rules and regulations and what is happening between the Israelis and Palestinians is being monitored by international organizations. I doubt any nation at war would want to take part in using nuclear weapons for its war. During the Russia and Ukraine war when it was certain that rusia had a nuclear weapon, till the war has reduced to the extent it is now, they never used it because they understand that using the nuclear weapons at this time in the world is a strong recipe for a possible world war and that's not the part the world would want to experience again

The only issue I have with war crimes is how its investigations can be carried out void of political interests because even in this current isreali Palestinian war, there was a moment when war crime was committed when an health ambulance was reportedly short at coursing serious casualty both on the medical personnel and the patient in the ambulance and you are seeing derogatory statement suggesting that the ambulance is used by the opposition armies which is a clear display of politicizing a serious war crime.

If the world was completely sane there would be no nukes and nuclear warheads in existence, to be honest. Also, if you say that it would be even scarier if those Arab countries which surround Israel had nukes, then I agree with you, because some of them have obvious sympathy with groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, not even mention that many of them have swore to destroy the State of Israel.
The only reason the regime in North Korea still exists to this day is because their nuclear arsenal, I have no doubt in my mind the United States and its allies in the West would have liberated the people of NK a long time ago if Kim and his family did not have that precious nuclear program they keep up to this day.

War itself is scary and whoever started it is scarier. And that's why these nukes and biological weapons are gonna be triggered if it's not stopped as soon as possible. The winner might be happy that they have been a victor against their enemy but are they also triumphant to see the lives that were scattered on the road, in their actual homes lying on the floor without life? All of these wars are taking the lives of innocent kids, grandpas, grandmas, boys and girls, everyone's lives. Peace should be maintained in all of these regions but I think that's a utopian dream. Now, these ideas of strengthening the military for each country will always be the case for most countries these days allotting a budget for that as a priority because it seems that everyone is just waiting for something to trigger and this is not a good thing. Even if I'm not there, it seems that every news that I watch is scaring me all about trigger happy people, warmongers, etc.

"with French co-operation, secretly began building the Negev Nuclear Research Center,[d] a facility near Dimona housing a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant in the late 1950s."

The same France that secretly sold weapons to Russia after the trade ban, when the whole EU wasn't even supplying Russia with items of basic need.

France admitted to selling weapons to Russia and claimed that they had a deal from before the war... So, you allow your neighbor to get fruits and vegetables from your garden, but now you see that he's not eating those, but instead throws them at random people passing by his fence. The people see that vegetables come from your garden and ask you to stop supplying him, but you refuse because you had a deal from before.

If Israel used nukes, the rest of the world would of course condemn it, so Jews must be scared

It seems the assumption that Israel has some nuclear warheads is a myth because it has not been verified by any other country. And the silence of the Israeli politician is confusing because he didn't answer the question. Even if they have they should not be used on the people of Gaza. The Israeli Defence Force has almost destroyed Gaza, using a nuclear weapon will show clearly that it is a genocide. Western leaders are now becoming conscious of civilian casualties an example is the Prime Minister of Canada who was vocal about the killing of civilians by the IDF.

My biggest challenge now is the order by Israel for the evacuation of about twenty hospitals in Gaza. Many injured people are on mechanical ventilators and some are gravely injured and cannot survive in transit. But Israel is insisting that there is no humanitarian crisis and they should leave. Some hospitals have started complying, while others have refused to move. Peace in the Middle East!!!!

It's not scary if you think that they have nukes but decided NOT to use them till now. Imagine their surrounding countries get access to nuke... Thankfully only sane countries have nukes (except North Korea... it's more like drunk but not yet crazy).

It is not really surprising that Israel developed its own nukes because even at the very beginning the Jews already had a lot of scientists. I don't know about their mentality in the past but it is surprising to me why they had a lot of scientists and many of them were instrumental in the development of the world's most dangerous and destructive weapon. Einstein, Meitner, and even Oppenheimer himself (the lead scientist who discovered the atomic bomb) were Jews. I read a lot about history and wars and there's a high probability that Hitler would've developed the atomic first if he had not persecuted the Jews.

It's understandable to be concerned during times of conflict the Situation in Israel and Palestine is complex and has a long history. As for the interview you mentioned It's important for politicians to be transparent with their constituents. Let's hope for a Peaceful resolution to the ongoing conflict.

Nuke's aside, Israel is about the only country who has the technical ability to create sophisticated genetic biological weapons and refuses to participate in the biological weapons convention treaties.



Back when the apartheid government was still around in South Africa, they and Israel had a similar problem with people of undesirable genotype and cooperated in ethnic bio-weapons research.  There seems to be compelling evidence of this.  Some say that the now-famous 'ace-2' receptor to which spike protein binds was of interest since it's expression various markedly by genotype and is almost absent in 'pure' Ashkenazi Jews (and Fins.)

Judaism has a pretty strong emphasis of 'bloodline' and being of the 'chosen' people.  The general sentiment seems to express even in people who are not ostensibly driven by the religious fundamentalism.  Given the justifications for doing the ethnic cleansing of the people of Gaza, it seems pretty possible that some nasty atrocities could be in store for pretty much all 'enemies' of the Jews, and pretty much all other people but particular Jews are often considered 'enemies' by an unpleasantly large number of Rabbis who have chosen to speak to the matter.

Yeah, Israel and the various supporter, citizens/dual-citizens, Zionist groupies who are still 'scattered', etc are more than a little 'scary' I would say.

Each to to their own, but I certainly feel less scared about Israel possessing nukes than an insane fucked up death cult which happily suicide bombs a concert where little girls are attending.

Moving nuclear artillery is of course something which is not easy to do without adversaries knowing about it, it must be one of the biggest objectives of any intelligence agency: to keep an eye on the nuclear installations of their foes.
So, either Russia knows about the existence of those nukes in the middle east and did not say anything about it to the public, or Israel is not actually armed with them.
I have not read about whether Israel having a nuclear program or not, but if North Korea, which is a nation which is pretty much almost isolated from the rest of the world by sanctions could do it, I do not see a reason why Israel could not develop their own underground program as well.

Hopefully neither of the parts involved have access to those kind of weapons and this conflict de-escalate rather than heating up...

The bolded part is what scares me the most because without any confirmation from outside parties that would mean that they should be classified as a rogue nation. If you read the link that was provided by JoeyP, it could help you formulate that US is not a fan of giving nukes to Israel plus if you've known about the Cuban Missile Crisis, I think that you would know that US wouldn't put nukes that's close to Russia or anywhere in the Middle East so even if the US was sneaky about the nuclear arsenal delivery, Russian intelligence will definitely get a wind of that delivery and would react to it as if it's another Cold War for them.

The last time I checked or remember about Israel and the possesion of mass destruction devices, is that they formaly have said they have some of those arsenals, but on the other hand, it has never been confirmed by third parties they have those devices.

Though, I would not be surprised if they actually have some of them, delivered by the United States and only under the command of use of USA.
Even if USA is their most important ally on this planet, it would be quite irresponsible of them to give those weapons to direct Israeli command, instead some USA commander in the middle east.

Here is answer to your thread - Israel nuclear weapons - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

Remember that time when a reporter asked a politician from Israel about Israel having a nuclear arsenal or weapon in the country and the politician didn't have a straight answer and tries to answer in a way that doesn't answer the question but the reporter kept on insisting that it's a simple yes or no question which it is but the politician can't answer it? Now that they're on a war against Palestine, it's scares me that they're probably going to do anything for their country to survive, this will probably be the conflict that's going to answer that question. I don't have the link to that interview but I can remember it, hopefully someone knows about that interview too.