Topic: Israeli associations should be expelled from international competition (Read 302 times)

Israel started as a terrorist organization? We can only see that on Bitcointalk because we have different people with different ideologies. But I am happy to tell you that you are wrong, Israel like many other countries had their battles and struggles and the history of their habitation today is not different from many other countries, all countries have their histories. Go to Africa, Asia, and Europe to read their stories, you will see how travellers and dwellers later found their countries.

The only issue here is that Palestinians do not want to agree just like other countries that have moved on many millennium/centuries ago to the point that they do not remember again. And as Israel is not a Muslim majority like most of them, what do you expect? But whether they like it or not, Israel is an established country, it is now left to the enemies to minimise their aggression to avoid a counter-offensive as it's happening now.

There is a saying that when one tip amongst the 5 fingers I corrupted, it would likely effect the others.
I believe this misconduct has become a norms for the team because the players at the first attempt was not sanctioned.
I do condemn this chaos conduct if truly it happened because I have never come across it on a headline news or live


This would do no impact to the misconduct. If the European football and the UEFA football authorities can not take an action of it, I don't think boycotting of the Israelites football on the gambling game would do better.

I think we are here on the gambling industry to catch fun and make money if we can and not to be sentimental.
Is bet that we don't make our betting predictions based on favourite clubs but based on clubs that we foresee winnings to our tickets.
So then we should leave the decision to the regarded authorities to take it justice.

Displacing the native population and subjecting them to apartheid isn’t tolerance. It is historically inaccurate to say the neighbors are the terrorists when Zionist terrorism played a pivotal role in the establishment of the state of Israel. This was even acknowledged in a report published by the U.S. government, although these facts have become too inconvenient and have been removed from the DOJ website in recent months. The origins of the IDF and Israel’s ruling political parties can be traced back to these terrorist organizations.

Complicated problem when talking about Israel with football competition, comparison with Russia have banned for longer time and can't participants until the next World Cup for their national team and domestic league club can't play yet for UEFA Champion League or Europe League. But UEFA and FIFA have difference viewed how many Palestine Citizen killed every time but never got suspended, one thing most funning the ultras of the Macabi Tel Aviv make bad accident when away match against Ajax Amsterdam then UEFA moving the next match Beksitas vs Maccabi Tel Aviv have moving to neutral place.

I don't how blame UEFA and FIFA when talking about Israel, actually most funny why Beksitas have to play at neutral place after the ultras of the Maccabi Tel Aviv have bad attitude bad another team got suspended, its a joke from UEFA and FIFA?

Racists are way too proud of what they are and that doesn’t sit right with me.

Even during the olympics, they were behaving indecent. But when people called them out on it, people called them jew-hating. You can’t be racist to someone then get angry when someone treats you the same way then call them racist. It’s hypocrisy at its finest.
There’s no other reason why Russia was banned and not Israel aside from blatant racism towards Palestinians. Since they are not white like the Ukrainians, no one wants to do nor say anything.

But yes as gamblers, we can also involve ourselves in this and boycott Israel-based platforms and don’t support for their national teams.

In this case of French viewers I blame UEFA for keeping silent, as much as I blame the government of such countries that they perpetrate such violence and go Scott free. It's the duty of the government and law enforcement agents to keep it's citizens and even visitors safe. Where were the police when all these things were happening?

Could they not at least make some arrests on the basis of societal unrest and teach those thugs bitter lessons?
Israel is always looking for trouble, but the media censores reports about them and places the stories in their favor for political reasons. It's very bad that justice is very hard to get these days and FIFA is now most compromised.

Maybe the government of the said countries could help stop them, just maybe, that's if they themselves are not compromised.

Dude, please read carefully the OP and my message again. Sports clubs are not responsible for crimes committed by governments.
Nor can the entire sports club community be held responsible for the excesses and crimes committed by certain fans. Why should an innocent Israeli team fan be punished for someone else's crime? It makes no sense. Punishment should be meted out to the individuals who committed the crime, not to the whole community. As long as you don't accept this fact, you cannot talk about justice. I didn't say Russians should be penalized, I said Russian clubs should not be penalized. You are trying to answer before you even understand what you read.

that's the thing, this incident wasn't a conflict between fans, this conflict was between Maccabi hooligans and people who retaliated from the destroying properties, provocation and attacking locals done by Maccabi fans. anyway, Maccabi hooligans fucked around and found out, they thought they were free to do anything without any consequences like they are used to.

I would leave the country and wash myself of the blood of the indigenous people that they killed and still killing in order to steal that land. Spaniards did the same thing to my people for centuries, we were called bandits, rebels, Indios(a derogatory term they used for us) and other things when my people resisted/resisting their occupation.

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damn I hate talking about this kind of politics in this section, this will be my last post on this thread

Some of us are too harsh towards making a conclusion or arriving at an end point over something, we may not need a harsh condition to amend something that is challenging and frustrating already, instead, we can be calm in taking time to observe the whole conditional and look for a means of how we can come in and make things go as expected through our influence made on it, if we cant solve a problem, then we shouldn't add to it.

Sincerely, you surprised me with this and it shows your bitter indignation towards Israel which is supposed not to be. But first, you said many things that happened many times at different places but no single link to back them up, this is why I implore everyone to ignore this, it can't be deemed fair.

Many misconceptions are flying around and what you claimed had been caused by the Israelis abroad might be a reaction against aggressors, I don't know why they will start a fight abroad unprovoked even when many Israelis had protested against the war in the Middle East, they want it to end.

As for the war, you don't treat Israel's fighting for survival with that of Russia's invasion, they are different and international sanctions can't be the same. Israel has tolerated the neighbouring terrorist nations enough and I wonder what you would do if you were an Israeli and also their Prime minister.

I'm not saying that all Maccabi fans behaved peacefully, but there is no need to make other side of conflict into sacred cow. I saw enough videos when random people were attacked just because they had Maccabi colours or Israel flag.
And if you're saying ''if they were actuallypeaceful", none of this would have happened'', then you know nothing about football ultras and hooligans. Comflicts between them often happens just because of team that you support or colours you wear.

That's just not going to help jack at all. It's not the Israel teams that are directly involved with the war, it's the people above them. Now outside of that though, if they're disrupting peace and stuff like that then let the police go do their jobs. Outside of those two things, anything else would just be hurting people who weren't directly involved in the situation. Sure if the same situation happens then maybe they can go a bit more intense in terms of controlling the group, but nothing to the point of banning them.

Man if only politics could leave sports. Sadly politics just follows everywhere sometimes.

I agree the organizations should promote competitiveness in sports, and politics should have no place in any sports organizations, but I guess because of what's happening in the middle East, politics will still get in even if the organization is that strict because of the role of the medias.
I think the organization should go the extra mile in promoting the organizations goal of unity in sports and they can use the medias to do it, Athletes should leave politics and when they are competing, its good for the organization to have their members intact.

Once investigation has been done completely on this matter and Israeli is found guilty i will be in full support of UEFA to ban them from participating in the European game. I hate countries who are too deep in racism, even in football that tends to reunite countries with past conflicts issue and those who are to take that path, yet these activists still don't want change to take place. Everyone is equal in the eyes of nature. No race is better than the other, we all came from dust and will return to dust. It's high time to keep our ego's and embrace humanity.

Dude, please read carefully the OP. It is not about the crime made by the government, but Israeli fans made noise and unpleasant things in the stadium. They also hit opposing team fans. It is not fair if they don't get punishment. It is actually not the first time that Israeli fans attacked the opposing fans, they have done it several times. So, I think they deserve to get punishment, whatever the kind of the punishment.

We don't need to compare with Russian fans, it is a different case. As far as I know, Russian fans don't annoy the opposing fans. So, why they should get punishment? This is a sports field, we must be fair with anyone.

If you will understand or learn more about the situation, it was not because Maccabi fans wanted to get in trouble. If only people would just be happy watching the game and leave peacefully, nobody will get hurt or would get into any trouble.
However, as this kind of scenario can't be totally eradicated, if you are in that situation, better get away as soon as possible and not create more chaos. There are really die-hard fans and opponents. The best thing that you can do is not provoke anyone to employ violence.

weird, I came across videos of locals in Amsterdam on TikTok talking about how Maccabi fans were harassing locals, destroying property and even attacked someone. even the Amsterdam police reported that the Maccabi fans were problematic and causing trouble. in the end, if they were actually "peaceful", none of this would have happened.

Don't really want to get involved in such topics, but this time I can't. Because from what I saw Maccabi fans were ones who got attacked. Local hooligans attacked random fans who just came to support their team and were just walking in the city. Though, I don't deny that all of them were peaceful and didn't made any provocations.
Don't want justify things that were done by Israel, Palestine or Hamas, but in general this situation isn't same as with Russia.

Such a boycott in a large scale would be very difficult to pull off, actually and even if an non-negotiable percentage of the gambling/betting community decided not to take part in those market (which Israeli teams are included), still casinos would be making profits of the remaining percentage of people who are neither awae of the whole political situation nor care to follow all up about the conflict in the middle east.
That boycott may need important figures and influencer to get involved and we all know they would chicken out on getting involved in such a topic, they would get black-listed by many organizations, sponsors, and their life would become more difficult, since they live off their personal brand or personal image.
For now, all we can do is to stay informed and report on what we believe it is wrong and the obvious bias there is in sports and also in news.

It is beyond crazy that after all the bad press, the mass boycotts on matches with Israel, the cost of security, their hooligans went on Parish today and attacked French viewers... The sheer audacity of these people is so crazy 😧

If UEFA wasn't so boneless they would have banned them and issued fines long time ago. It can't keep happening like this, cities hosting Israel are going through crazy disruptions and their hooligans see virtually no consequence due to Israel's impunity in this.

It was Maccabi fans who started it all according to Dutch people, Dutch fans I have seen in Linkedin Dutch voices saying that these hooligans of Maccabi started chanting "Death to Arabs" which goes a bit beyond free speech I would say. It is not Israel as a state that needs to be banned from competitions despite the attrocities against children we see on social media each day, they, Fifa/Uefa need to take action case by case and start by banning Maccabi team from participating in Europa League for some time.

I as an European don't want the Middle East conflict to any inch of Europe so Europe should never tolerate such behavior no matter who commits it.

They have to address this issue and should not let politics ruin the integrity of the organization, Politics should have no place in modern sports; they should have a policy how to address this issue; they should ban organizations or countries that violate their role as participants, and they should also insure the safety of the participants of the sports events.
The interests of the majority of members of the organization should prevail and take out those who causes troubles that ruin the name of the organization.

This alone explains more further on the expectations of everyone involved in this altogether, the countries shouldn't take what they are passing through into gambling and same as the gamblers from our own individuality not to make gambling a thing a disparity or segregation among some ethnic groups all because of their misunderstandings, the aim of gambling is to foster friendliness and unity among the people, if we see that things are not going as we expect from them, then the best approach is to apply a means through which gambling could play a major role in making a settlement over the crisis.

Somehow, I find this thread fit to be in Politics & Society. But sure, if the said incident happened, I guess it has to be sanctioned. The commission has to act before it gets worse, and if Maccabi Tel-Aviv ultras keep doing this, it could cause trouble if their victims take this matter themselves.

Since they have done this before according to OP, it will already be alarming and the victims could very well be preparing for the next time they'd do it.

This isn't even about the teams, it is more about discouraging and condemming any acts that doesn't show any spirit of sportsmanship. There should be penalties for any club found engaged in acts that are againsts what the sports stands for. I don't want to take any sides but I call on UEFA to investigate the matter thoroughly and ensure that there is an appropriate measure that will forestall any such future occurrence anywhere in the world from any team that may have gotten the impression that it is allowed. The right thing should be done.

The nations of Israel must be slandered, because they have killed so many people by fighting too much. It is an unjust oppression because until now Palestine is still crying, Israel has to answer it now. That's why if the Israeli team participates in any game, I don't bet there, because I hate this dirty team. 
But I have no idea if the Israeli team will be banned, I don't think it is easy to ban a team, there must be various reasons.

Am not in support of any human illegals ways of treating others, but on the other sides, of this truly happened, we should at least have some evidence to back it up, maybe a reference link or some snapshots of the event as it happens, also, we should not look at these, because violence is in everywhere, what about the ones we don't see, I want to also confirms this that everyone of them could not be the same evil as some of them have chosen to be against other humanbeings, and one of the ways of bringing the people together is by the interactions through football exercise among themselves, it aid friendliness.

I don't think Israeli teams should be banned, just like Russian teams should not be banned, they should compete. Sports clubs cannot be held responsible for the crimes of governments. But there is hypocrisy in the world on this issue. Organizations that act differently when it comes to Russia act differently when it comes to Israel. Unfortunately, there is no justice even in sports.
I should also mention that after the international break Beşiktaş's home Europa League game will be played in Hungary with no fans. Maccabi Tel-Aviv has an unfair advantage. If it was a home game, Beşiktaş could have won this match with a very different score. Now they will win again, but they will have traveled for nothing, they will be tired, and they will be deprived of the great support of their fans.

Really it's crazy but thanks to the internet and Independent reporting it's becoming increasingly easier to help people see the disconnect between mass media and big organizations from what's happening on the ground.

There's a lot of lower in simple videos people will lost on TikTok or Twitter and that's part of the reason they're trying to strangle these platforms now. Interestingly the big media got called out with evidence on Twitter and some corrected their statements but some even bowed to the Zionist lobby even more and doubled down.

I sometimes hope the boycott would be extended to football and by extension gambling too though. This way maybe UEFA considers their actions too. They aren't going to do it unless forced.

The essence of sports competition is to foster brotherhood and excellence and politics should have no place with any sports competition, but unfortunately, sports team and fans carried their political passion on the sports.
Even if there are wars in both countries, they should not take part in any sports competition; its the responsibility of the organizations to talk to all parties involved and advise them that their political agenda should have nothing to do with why they are here in the competition.
I don't want to side with anyone, but if the competition is getting tarnished by political agenda, then those involved should not be allowed to compete, so other teams can play and the competition continues.

This kind of thing has indeed happened several times and really made the image of football worse, but this is also widely associated with an act of concern for humanity even though it is wrong way and can create negative sentiment that is difficult to straighten out.
As football fan I will not side with one another because the most important thing for me is that football can run according to its original purpose which is to become one type of sport that is full of beauty, whatever the decision of the football association I fully support and as long as it is for development and peace there will definitely be many people who always side.

The media has framed the racist mob as being victims of antisemitism. The Zionist stranglehold over the media and politicians is so strong that there will be no consequences for the Israeli thugs that were the ones who instigated these violent confrontations.

The double standards are blatant. UEFA will prove their fecklessness by tolerating anti-Arab racism and allowing Israeli teams to continue participating, but the second somebody tries to protest against genocide they are the ones who get punished.

Yesterday isrseli ultras of the Macabi Tel Aviv team were seen in the Netherlands picking fights with passerby and shouting incendiary chants that were racist and calling for violence against Arabs. And it's not the first time this team's hooligans have caused serious trouble abroad.

In Athens months ago they were also documented beating passerby and causing a huge scene in Greece's most central square. Isn't it time to question now why was Israel allowed in European competitions in the first place? Of they are on the European competitions, why not allow every other Mediterranean country as well, and might as well allow Palestine and Gaza to compete too.

UEFA has repeatedly tried to punish clubs when their fans unveil "FREE PALESTINE" banners, yet Macabi seems to have total impunity when it's fans nearly kill passerby abroad...  Now is the time for UEFA to completely remove Israel from its competitions. They simply don't deserve the spotlight of they come to our countries and beat people up.

Based on the precedent of Russia and Russian teams being banned also, given that Israel is convicted of genocide they have no place in the competitions.

I just wish UEFA would for once listen to the sentiment of locals a not act as an autocratic organization. It makes sense to remove Israel by every angle you look at it, but I would bet UEFA will remain corrupt even on that simple thing.

Maybe from our side as gamblers we should boycott markets where Israel teams are involved so we can do our part to help this cause..