Topic: Issue with Minerjones and anonymousminer for an escrow. (Read 1058 times)

And yes- with collincrypto and we both would’ve had to sign up. Duh. Was no harm in that. The deal was not to wait bumberous days and even you knew it. You were originally in a rush but now wasn’t?!? No topic closed and you know you were wrong. Period.  
Also I think Teckno and mikeywith are working together but I can’t confirm it. But here is mikey’s Lies.

Dude, kraven, get outta here with your lies. When you started complaining, No one ever threatened you,,,I told you to chill until MJ got back.  Pushing you and pushing you?  What do I need to push you for? The deal was set.  I just told you to chill until Monday.  

https://imgur.com/Vdg5euP

Look, I don't have time for your dramas,,,, so run along now.  

I can also confirm that this dude, Kraven, wanted me to escrow via bitrated.

https://imgur.com/dYo4fwM

dude asked me to delete my comment, so he locked the topic then unlocked it for me to delete my prev comment.  saying if i don't delete it he will say shit about me. dude not only he is sketchy as hell, he is fucking stupid too .

so i started a new thread > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3783051.new#new

to fuck him up even more since he wanna play games

This thread is also getting closed because teckno2020 is getting his funds back from minerjones (as what was said by you all). We ourselves did not know this deal would last almost a week. My coupons are now listed on eBay if anyone wants them- and I’m still buying smaller values.

So...if any reputable member like to see the proof.. let me know and I’ll let you into my telegram account. If he decides to delete what he said.. then I do have screenshots as well

no. I have more than what I’m selling- and I also buy. Mikeywith actually is the liar. He lied to some guy about his deal. He wanted to do a 4 way deal so he could be paid. Mikeywith told a guy he has coupons and he doesn’t. I can also prove that. Whatever I decide to do with my coupons after I canceled is MY business. Mikey only brought it up because he’s trying to extort

I will , even though I am 100% this will do me more harm than good. because the trust system here goes like ( if you say shit about me, i say shit back ) and i had a whole topic about this shit.

i bust a scammer then go fuck my trust page and i will have a hard time buying-selling on this forum.

but since this will be useful for everybody else then i'l do it. let this fuck face and all his scam-team fuck my trust-page i do not give a fuck. sick of these desperate scams

If you have visual evidence for these accusations then that would be something that you should bring up in a new Scam Accusations thread.

The claims are pretty heavy and would (in my opinion) warrant a negative feedback.

I can confirm that Kraven tried to sell me the SAME coupons before he even informed the buyer about canceling the deal. and I almost bought it from him till he asked me to escrow via bitrated.com on OGnasty account.

so i messaged OGnasty and he said he had no account on that website. so that was the red flag !
this dude even "Photoshop-ed" a fake message message from OGNASTY to bring me to his impostor account of OGNASTY on bitrated.

when i confronted this dude, he threatened  to give me negative reviews and talk shit about me on the forum.

now if some moderator is willing to go through this case, I will spend the time needed to collect all the evidence i have.

if it's going be just another scam accusation that will go to nobody's land then fuck it.

if this guy wants a DEBATE on who is sketchy here. let's do this shit.

as being new here and the owner of the coupons- you yelling at me- and teckno2029 threatening me asking me to wait I went elsewhere with them. I’m allowed to. Especially when a trade could’ve been done instantly but wasn’t. I needed to sell for a reason and this was time consuming big time. I said this to teckno2020 BEFORE I PUT THIS UP. He kept pushing me and pushing me and I felt it was sketchy as hell. So think whatever but I had a right to in this case. It was all done wrong. If an issue arises with minerjones why did he pop up online as many times as he did? Well whatever is going on with him I pray all as well- and Teckno can EASILY find another buyer. Nobody lost anything.

Confirming, I spoke with MJ as well and was told the same.

This is a joke!  I offered to finish the deal for you both and square up with MJ later.  This deal could’ve been finished already.  I tend to agree with Teckno at this point.

Bad timing for this update too, but spoke to MJ a few minutes ago and he will be in front of his computer by Tuesday mid day.

Was never a story. I simply got tired of waiting. The value going up and down did not deter my opinion. Also- yes there’s others selling coupons as well. Since I messaged you about cancelling because I did not want to wait anymore you’ve had a bad attitude. It’s my choice at this point. Nobody else’s and least I came at you with some respect. So if you feel otherwise- apologize but it still stands what I said. Go get your funds back.

I tend to agree, a deal to me is always a deal.  

Edit: to be fair, you can find bitmain coupons anywhere if needed. 

Unbelievable.  Wtf.  

You have 6-7 heavyweights and escrows guaranteeing the deal, so you could have had your btc sooner.   But of course btc has been down a good $800usd since we entered the deal on the 9th so you are incented to bail on the deal. If btc was up $800usd, you'd probably have a different story.

Sort of think that you started this entire public shitshow to justify not waiting a couple of days and have a reason to bail on the deal.  
Absolute fucking shit show right here.

Noted, thank you.  

The funds that are in “escrow” belongs to Teckno2020.

You are entitled to your decision no doubt, just know any funds will be given back to their original owner.  Minerjones is one of the best and im sure whatever his life emergency is he is sorry it played out like this.  I will cover your funds if it plays out longer than you wish.

Wheelz1200

UPDATE: so I decided to cancel this trade with Teckno2020. Reason because the funds were intended for a purpose- which is why I was selling. I rather not wait anymore since I’ve been waiting a few days. Plus I was Leary and I have a right to feel like that. So I messaged Teckno2020 telling him to ask for his escrowed funds back. While I know real life can happen- I did not expect this. This trade started 5/9/18 and now its the 12th and minerjones isn’t coming back til the 14th (so to speak). I don’t know what to make of it but I need to cancel. It’s a bunch of mess. I am safely backing out at this point and I’m sure minerjones will return his funds. Nothing is lost.

Best sub on the whole forum, some of the most top notch people there, if not for that section i probably wouldve bailed a long time ago

So true

I do think that you did the right thing. From a new user's perspective, this makes sense if you haven't known MJ for very long. Users should prompt discussions when there's (to a less-involved user) suspicious activity involving a large trade.

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I personally wouldn't have trusted AM right off the bat either: it seemed really odd.

We can move on from this situation but should still exercise caution with all trade activity outside of one's comfort zone.

I suggest you visit the collectibles sub, soo much trust there bud

Thanks! I never meant to hurt anyone- just had to due diligence.

Allow me to throw in my 2 Satoshis too.
Minerjones' reputation precedes him, but yours does not. It's the first time I even read about you. I do understand the instant red flags when a third person suddenly talks on behalf of someone else. But the details are different than the typical imposter case: anonymousminer didn't ask for a payment, funds were paid to the real escrow address, and I assume both parties in the trade know the address to confirm payment was made. And when in doubt, it's always possible to pause the trade until minerjones returns.
Scammers use so many excuses that it's easy to forget "real life emergency" can actually happen, and if you're in business long enough, it's bound to happen sooner or later.

Don't take it personally, the number of scammers is just too damn high, and it's very difficult to trust people online, let alone in cryptocurrencies.

You mean six, BitcoinPenny was five:
It's nice to see so much trust around the forum for a change!

Good stuff man!  ....and OP, I hope you feel better as well.  I’m sure I overreacted too.  I’m just protective of family..... it doesn’t make me a bad guy. 

Consider the hatchet buried.  You were the bigger many by sending me an olive branch via PM, and I respect that.  I'm sure I overreacted anyway, plus all the members vouching for MJ says a lot. 

Very fair, but give me a chance to reach out to reach out to others to make the OP feel comfortable about what’s going on before a public fiasco like this.  That’s all I’m getting at..... hopefully we all bury the hatchet when this is said and done. 

They don't know who you are, and neither do I--there's no "character" to be assaulted here, only the facts of what happened, and when someone disappears with funds after receiving them and then someone else shows up with a story about a personal crisis....like I said, those are red flags.  These people have the right to be skeptical about someone's reasoning, regardless of the person's reputation.  Reputation on bitcontalk is flimsy at best.  And you?  Let's be realistic.  You're not even a full member, even though you have some positive trust.

Nobody is/was looking to tag either you or minerjones permanently; it's pretty much standard procedure on bitcointalk to do so when there's a scam accusation opened.  It does not help matters when you fly off the handle at people when they have legitimate concerns.  As I've said before, we judge ourselves by our intentions.  We judge others by their actions.

I could’ve been asked for proof or more assurances before the accusations started flying!  Who do you think reached out to these people to give you all assurances about MJ?  .....and your damn right I’m going to be salty when you question my character and that of one of the best people I know!  The cart was put before the horse here and you know it.

Point taken, but only after a number of trusted members showed up to guarantee the deal.  I've become paranoid on bitcointalk and have seen stranger things happen.  My real problem is with anonymousminer showing up basically to mock the concerns of OP and the other person in the deal.  That's not cool IMO.  They're not long-time members of bitcointalk and probably don't really know minerjones.  Hell, I've never even interacted with him and had to check his feedback to recall that he really is a trusted members here.  I'll apologize for my doubts when he completes the deal, but not for being stern with anonymousminer.

   You are new here and can see your anxiety over this ..but you have nothing to worry about MJ.

   He is is as solid as they come. A person can be online and perhaps not check pm. Issues come and go in life...give him some time please.

   This will be resolved not to worry. You have many of his friends here whom have trusted MJ with tens of thousands in btc with never an issue and are willing if need be to cover this amount, not that I see it needs    
   to by the way.

   So that this is nothing but a minor delay.

My only hangup was that he was online but didn’t respond to us. It was just weird. I wouldn’t neg anyone but we were just worried. I hate that I did this.. but coming from my perspective I don’t know him.

Make that five.

OP i can understand that you might be a little weary if youve never dealt with mj, but as everyone has reiterated here you have zero to worry about.  MJ will confirm all this in as short as time as he can.  And i would personally cover the amount for this transaction for him as well if he didnt come through.  MJ is one of the most honest people ive ever dealt with on this forum over the years.

What the hell is this? How sad to see respected members of this forum actually believing that Minerjones would exit scam for $2,800. Shame on you.

OP: Sorry about your delay, but these things happens. You can't expect any escrow service to be a robot that is online 24/7 and although it could of been nice of Minerjones to let you know directly rather than through someone else, we have no idea what actually happened in his life that meant he had to take some time off. I can guarantee you 100% that he will be back when he said he will. I'll also vouch for the $2,800 although it really isn't necessary.

Agreed and agreed. The funds are safe. I'd trust MJ with my BTC any day. He's a good man.


Five. I'll cover it too.

Regards,
Chris

Make it four here.. I will cover too

3 refund offers .....and I offered to finish the transaction on his behalf as well.  I think you should feel comfortable till Monday now, but if not, I will still finish your deal for him.  LC, OC, buck, Lauda, TMAN, krog and sky, thank you for helping calm everyone down. 

People are looking to jump at others. Anonymous often speak on minerjones behalf when he is away, just so to help people comfort that there money is safe. You guys need to relax

 
Make it three and same on physicals.

I can testify MJ is away and will be back on Monday. He is not a scammer. You will get your funds. I can vouch for him being a solid escrow.

The last "top 3" that you are referring to were pajeets and/or scammers to begin with. A fallacy right there.

The thread is boring, unnecessary and annoying at the same time.

I'll cover it as well, OP you have 2 guarantees. MJ is not walking over $2800. He has had over $280k of my physicals in his possession in the last 12 months. Please chill.

Originally, nothing I had seen at that point in time really indicated minerjones was involved at all, so I was actually looking more into some sort of fake escrow scam posing as minerjones and swapping in another address on a quote, which would certainly be unique, considering who had the coupons and who was sending the funds... but that thought stemmed from the added concern with the aforementioned strange handwriting change from anonymousminer, most people do not change the way they write 7's and 8’s. This concern made me question whether the anonymousminer account was under the control of the same person that minerjones has known for a long time or whether it was under the control by the same person sending funds to the fake escrow and then coming on with a compromised account as a friend of minerjones and telling Kraven to send the coupons.

Fast forward to after that feedback was left, after I received additional information/PMs, I realized minerjones' account was actually involved in the PMs… which was a little surprising for me. because the behavior is unusual for him to not respond, but at this point, I'd say a likely temporary feedback on minerjones is warranted (in case of the account being compromised, this notifies others and protects minerjones from potential further damage) but I’m optimistic that it will all be cleared up. However, anonymousminer & minerjones are not accounts I would personally trust right now, no offense… I realize there may be special circumstances minerjones may be going through so I’m not trying to be insensitive, but, based on the way other scamming/compromised escrows have went down, I am being hypersensitive… temporary feedback seems warranted and I don’t think damages anyone in the short term.

I have no problem removing feedback if this is cleared up.

EDIT:
Lesbian Cow's 24 hour comment made me re-think this last part  ... somewhere along the lines I had gotten the impression this was a longer timeframe he had been coming online and not responding. I can't really stand by a negative feedback this soon but I would not release any coupons until minerjones addresses the thread.

Glad to see this is gradually resolved and  its all about break in communication or else, its going to be another round of issues that would take days or weeks to go away. Its really Ok to be skeptical $2800 is something while it could be some little amount to some people, it mean a lot to others and that's why emphasis should be shifted from the value that is the subject of discussion. Monday is almost here and all parties should chill and wait till then but from the response read so far, it sure mean that there is no cause for alarm.

The last top 3 escrow exit scammed for like I beleive 9k. Maybe even less. (Madaiik, or something like that)

Y'all just need to chill a bit. MJ is alive and well and will take care of business asap.

Nobody should be negging AM. Thanks!

Thank you Tekno, and I'm glad to finish the transaction for you both as I stated earlier. 

Hello anonymousminer, as I stated earlier in the thread, I thought it was premature to post about this publicly and bring it before the community.  I would have preferred to wait for minerjones on Monday.   But as it were, Kraven (the seller) started the thread and the hoard 'detectives' went to town.  As the buyer, I got my acct temporarily red striped (for what I am not quite sure) ...and so was compelled to run the gauntlet to set facts straight.

At any rate, as the buyer, and the only one here with btc at risk,,,, Im chill,,, so everyone else needs to calm the @#$^#  down.  Hopefully nothing too serious with minerjones situation,... you get the negs removed quickly.... and we can all put this entire thread to rest.
Tekno

You all are wacked in the head and are over reacting to a degree that does not even register on a scale to 10.

Everyone chill, all will be fine, and for the OP who feels they are being scammed for 2800 usd - if minerjones goes sKamarooo not only will i be out a significant amount of monies (far more than 2800 usd) but i will refund your 2800 usd....

This all happened in less than 24 hours, you need to realize that sometimes one cannot respond to your Internet messages immediately because life happens....

Fellas , please relax.

I can confirm what anonymousminer is saying, and I deal with minerjones on a regular basis.

He is not available atm but will be returning as soon as his personal issue is over.
This I know for a fact , and I’ve been around for a long time - My trust ratings speak for themselves.

If you are terribly concerned with the Btc not getting released to the seller right away , I would personally arrange for the BTC to be sent on minerjones behalf - even though I think this is totally ridiculous witch hunt or whatever.

Life happens and I’m sorry if anyone has to wait a few days to recieve funds.

We have all seen many scams and exit scams take place on this forum, and in general.

This is NOT one of those times.

If you have any specific concerns seller please reach out to me via PM and let’s stop all of this unnecessary bashing please.

I have also worked with anonymousminer on some deals as well and can vouch for his integrity and trying to assist an old friend.

Thanks!

the fuck are you mad for? people sent thier shit to your friend, your friend didn't reply , they go worried it is common sense. and then out of all memebers you sent thoese 2 a message telling them something about your friend when nobody really knows the fuck you are. anybody would worry ! it's human nature stop whining.


the only one who should be apologizing here is MJ.  
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I do not know any of you , and i do not give a fuck what you or the others think. but i am judging based on my common sense !.

MJ, a well trusted escrow who had held multies times this for IPOs, who I have personally just completed a deal worth well north of this in which he sent payment without escrow preshipping, whom many individuals here have his dox...scamming for the price of a '92 prelude... Relax. The funds are fine.

I understand looking out for the community, but I was not even aware of this till someone noticed my trust.  I was not asked for more proof, nothing.... just unfounded accusations!!

Sorry you were dragged into this, I 100% trust MinerJones period. I was just trying to make him aware of the thread so he could respond and clear it up. These other guys are just looking out for the community as well.

I don't think they're trying to be malicious towards you or MJ. Just trying to protect the community a bit until MJ responds.

Makes me look worse??  Than this little sewing circle slamming my friend and I.  I can get defensive when someone takes aim at my character!  I'll be looking for apologies for MJ and myself!  Someone actually thought MJ would exit for 2800.00.  Jesus Christ.... SMH.....

Nobody really knows what's going on, and people have seen enough scams to be a little paranoid.  There is always the possibility of an account being sold or hacked, and this looks very much like the situation I mentioned with gameristo, where immediately after he made a deal with someone, a "friend" showed up claiming the other guy had a medical emergency.  See the link and where EckhartJV swooped in to explain why JayT stopped responding.

If everything gets resolved, you'll get your feedback removed.  There's no need to get defensive here.  It only makes you look worse.
Yes.  Wake up and get the fuck over yourself.  The two parties are asking where the escrow went with all that money, and they are skeptical of the story that was provided.  They have every right to question this on a forum where people like Master-P have caused people to doubt the trustworthiness of even the darkest-green trusted member. 

....and before you guys keep slandering both our names, pick another escrow.... I'll send the funds for MJ and settle up with him later.  Jesus!!!

Hey you ridiculous fool.... the writing style is different because the second 2 are in minerjones handwriting!!  Slamming me with negative trust when this has nothing to do with you and I was helping one of the most trusted people on this site.  Again, you are all ridiculous.

It’s natural for me to be worried. So please stop. We are getting answers now

I'm not disrespectful enough to bother him over a forum issue with what he has going on, but I assure you he will address your little sewing circle when he returns..... you will all look like morons!!

-AM

Are you kidding me right now? I try to help a friend and get these ridiculous accusations?  What the hell is wrong with you people?

Thanks mikey, got plenty can vouch.   The only one left that is not available to answer any questions is,,,, minerjones.

In the meantime, here is the pm that both me and Kraven received today from his buddy 'anonymousminer'.


I guess we will soon see if minerjones shows up to put this in order,,,,,,,  

Hey fellas,

I have reached out to minerjones on another channel.  I am 99.9999% confident nothing to worry about.

1.  He is traveling, i know this for a fact

2.  He and anonymousminer know each other in real life for decades

3.  He has way more of my monies than the 2800 usd being discussed and i have no concern.

Stand by please.....

Eh, yeah.  I'm not sure why he got a negative trust from ibminer, either.  I read this thread from the beginning, and if anyone is deserving--at least temporarily--of a neg, it's minerjones.  Props to Yahoo62278 for trying to contact him, and let's hope this doesn't turn out ugly.

I have sent MJ a message on Telegram. He might be at work currently so hopefully he can respond here within a few hours.

I do not personally know Tekno2020 but i have transacted a good amount of  money with him. he delivered what he promised in time.

I do not think he should be getting a negative review on his wall.

We both got a message from minerjones confirming that he will escrow the deal.

Also dude, ibminer,  you need to get clear,,,, I am the buyer and the one with 2800usd at risk here.  If anyone is being scammed at the moment, it's me! Hopefully no one is being scammed and minerjones has actually had an emergency!!!

 Just because Kraven has opened up a thread does not mean he is being scammed.  I could have just as easily posted, but thought it was a bit premature to post publicly and bring this to the community.

 Please read.

Payment was made.

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/238092dc558bb6931fc31aad25284e5a4601979349facbb9e560f4ce650cd77a/

There has not been any accusation against me, ibminer, so remove your red stripe.   Why don't you go and tag minerjones account?! 

People have left over $2 so yeah that’s why I’m skeptical.

minerjones account has been around since 2014,,,, are people that hungry around here to forfeit a Top 3 escrow position around here for some low level scam.

Funds were definitely deposited on the escrow address that minerjones gave me.

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/238092dc558bb6931fc31aad25284e5a4601979349facbb9e560f4ce650cd77a/

It did happen.

minerjones replied pretty quick to pms before the deal,,,, then once we were in the deal he ghosted.  He has been incommunicado for the last day and a half.  Then we both got the message above from 'anonymousminer' that minerjones has had an emergency? 

I mean wtf.

the first message I was left out of. I told them that too. Then minerjones sent a message to me on what was supposedly said.

Did you actually get a message directly from minerjones or did you get a quoted piece of text from Tekno2020 saying minerjones agreed?

This is all fishy

I need to see a transaction from Tekno2020 showing he sent funds to minerjones, otherwise it didn't happen.

According to their profile, Tekno2020 uses 31pDmi6PDdHFUT51MTzJNYacxYMZp2bi58
I don't see any transactions recently showing funds going to minerjones and am not seeing a transaction worth near $2800.

$2800 is exit scam worthy- which is why I’m worried.

$2800

Yep, that's suspicious and I've seen this before along with the stalling tactic of having a "friend" contact one of the parties to the deal.  A while back gameristo got scammed for some PP funds, and this is exactly what happened.  I'm hoping for your sake that this doesn't turn out to be a scam, but I'd be more than a little suspicious if it was me.

How much was this deal for, anyway?
Yikes.
I agree--it's "worth" ruining a trusted account for if one was dishonest and inclined to do it.  Again, I do hope for your sake this isn't the case.  It's just awful when all the senior members harp on using escrow to avoid scams, and then the escrow ends up pulling an exit scam.

If it were me, I would have to wait. I'd be concerned the anonymousminer account may have changed hands.
What address were funds sent to by Tekno2020?

He seems to be using the same address but there is an odd change in writing style on anonymousminer images recently... from March:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31792680
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31814648

and then in May, a new style 7 & 8 recently, as well as the "th" being included:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36589591
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36630837

Personally, this would be enough to make me nervous, given the circumstances.

only thing is that minerjones was online for all of this escrow then he’s on and off. He needs to confirm this.

May be he is telling the truth judging by the feedback left for him from minerjones (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1668017)


Of course you have the right to investigate more but if I was you then I would not hesitated. Hope this helps 

Well I’m only putting this here because I’m curious. A few days ago- a user (Tekno2020 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tekno2020-1356468 )
And I decided to do a trade with escrow for my Bitmain coupons. All went well until Tekno2020 sent the bitcoins to escrow. We both have seen minerjones online each and every day. We thought maybe he was sleep but I’m starting to think otherwise. But just now.. a user “anonymousminer” just sent us a message saying this :

Then when I tell him that I don’t trust it he says this:


I’m beyond worried for both of us.