It Is Not Against Forum Rules For Users To Post Your Personal Information Here!

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on August 25, 2014, 04:39:21 AM

I've previously had the impression of this forum sticking true to it's 'principles of free speech'. (This is from theymos, not me). The forum has always very very rarely modified anything in Scam Accusations. It seems that some administrators forget these principles when it is convenient for them, which they do have the power to do, but they shouldn't pretend that such principles apply in practice.

Oh, and theymos's dox is in plenty of places.

Has has removed the dox of obviously innocent people before. KWH was one such person he removed the dox of.

IIRC he has mentioned before that he will remove personal information if it was obtained by hacking or it is clearly obvious to theymos that the person is innocent of scamming. Theymos must have considered himself innocent of scamming or maybe the dox was obtained via hacking, it did have the last 4 digits of his CC which seems to indicate it came from a retailer or such.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on August 23, 2014, 07:43:50 PM

The reason that I am asking, which I am sure you will grasp, is that there appears to be unfair selective enforcement of the rules.

Why are you so interested in seeing Theymos dox being public?

Just curious.

~BCX~

I've previously had the impression of this forum sticking true to it's 'principles of free speech'. (This is from theymos, not me). The forum has always very very rarely modified anything in Scam Accusations. It seems that some administrators forget these principles when it is convenient for them, which they do have the power to do, but they shouldn't pretend that such principles apply in practice.

Oh, and theymos's dox is in plenty of places.

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It is even worse guys, I saw some people (they have a red or cyan coin) who have the power to delete threads, edit posts of regular users and even ban people! Shocked

How can this be allowed?? I want that power too! Sad

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My opinion is that if LD actually fucked somebody over via some sour deal(s), then he should be doxxed, but not because somebody may have the red-ass toward him because of his post history.

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Quote from: dserrano5 on August 24, 2014, 12:51:03 AM

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on August 23, 2014, 07:43:50 PM

That is how, not why.

Because:

- If theymos isn't a scammer he perfectly knows it, so removing his dox is removing the dox of a known (to him) innocent honest person, which is ok.
- If theymos is a scammer, well of course he's going to remove it

.

Schrodinger's dox? theymos is both a scammer and not a scammer when he removes his dox? Or is that just a paradox. I don't think he can be in a superposition of both.

Ah well.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on August 23, 2014, 07:43:50 PM

That is how, not why.

Because:

- If theymos isn't a scammer he perfectly knows it, so removing his dox is removing the dox of a known (to him) innocent honest person, which is ok.
- If theymos is a scammer, well of course he's going to remove it

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Quote from: ForgottenPassword on August 17, 2014, 11:02:42 PM

Because this is a privately owned forum and they can do as they please.

That is how, not why. The reason that I am asking, which I am sure you will grasp, is that there appears to be unfair selective enforcement of the rules.

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Do you want your dox deleted from here or something?

This issue isn't about me, and I have never bought myself into this. So stop trying to divert the subject onto me, ad hominem style.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on August 17, 2014, 10:33:36 PM

Bumping this post.

Why are the dox of theymos deleted, but not the dox of anyone else?

Because this is a privately owned forum and they can do as they please. They have said before that the rules are flexible. It usually isn't the best idea to post the dox on the accused's website. There are plenty of high SEO ranking websites that'll happily publish dox.

Do you want your dox deleted from here or something? I doubt they will do that considering the mountain of substantiated accusations against you. Maybe if you settle your debts with everyone or prove your innocence they will remove them. Although being hacked still justifies having your dox up as you are not capable of handling others funds so maybe they won't.

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Quote from: tvtoyz on July 15, 2014, 12:48:13 AM

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 15, 2014, 12:38:37 AM

Sure:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--668570

(This isn't the thread that Confessions posted, Confessions posted it in Scam Accusations and that was deleted [not just moved to trashcan])

Also:

Quote from: SweetBits.biz on July 02, 2014, 10:39:17 PM

The proof of Theymos dox being deleted are gone, but I swear I seen it two times in the last week, and it was deleted both times pretty quick.

Wow. I come here from LBC, and already starting to see some shady stuff going on. Explanation?

Bumping this post.

Why are the dox of theymos deleted, but not the dox of anyone else?

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Quote from: jekv2 on July 14, 2014, 10:32:31 PM

Even Theymos had to laugh at this so damn hard.

Laughters unite!

Doesn't seem like he laughed. Instead, he is looking at ways in which forum policy could be changed.

rugrats

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Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2014, 08:00:10 PM

Quote from: Maged on July 14, 2014, 07:45:41 PM

That is the problem. There is no way that the forum could verify every scam accusation, nor should it have to now that there are more appropriate services available for this. Since we can't make exceptions to allow for people to post the personal information of scammers, we have two choices:

1) Remove all posted personal information, like Reddit.
2) Allow everyone to post personal information about anybody.

Bitcoin attracts a lot of scammers, so I would tend to err on safer side of allowing all personal information. Not to mention, if it wasn't posted here, it would just be posted somewhere else. Public information cannot be made unpublic.

Right.

I do feel for innocent victims of doxxing, though. I welcome suggestions on how to improve forum policy in this area. However, forum policy must be consistent, and I'm not going to start deciding who's guilty and who's not (again).

I've been thinking that maybe it would be an improvement to require that dox be posted along with sources for all of the data, and ban dox that doesn't come from a "public source" (government site, news story, Facebook, etc.). This would make casual doxxing more difficult, help readers determine whether the dox is actually accurate, and hamper distribution of info obtained from illegal sources (hacking, etc.). I'm not sure that it would help enough to be worth the trouble, though.

Scam accusations and doxxes should be made only in one subforum, where IP addresses of posters are displayed.
This would immediately eliminate most of the fake scam accusations on the board while enhancing the credibility of existing ones.
It would also force people to be more responsible with their accusations and doxxing.

The forum should also be fitted with a filter to prevent posters from masking their IPs using free proxy services.
There are numerous sources (updated daily) of public proxies.
Private VPN and proxies are traceable, so it shouldn't matter if posters are using them.

Anonymity should not be abused, in my opinion.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 15, 2014, 12:38:37 AM

Sure:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--668570

(This isn't the thread that Confessions posted, Confessions posted it in Scam Accusations and that was deleted [not just moved to trashcan])

Also:

Quote from: SweetBits.biz on July 02, 2014, 10:39:17 PM

The proof of Theymos dox being deleted are gone, but I swear I seen it two times in the last week, and it was deleted both times pretty quick.

Wow. I come here from LBC, and already starting to see some shady stuff going on. Explanation?

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Sure:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--668570

(This isn't the thread that Confessions posted, Confessions posted it in Scam Accusations and that was deleted [not just moved to trashcan])

Also:

Quote from: SweetBits.biz on July 02, 2014, 10:39:17 PM

The proof of Theymos dox being deleted are gone, but I swear I seen it two times in the last week, and it was deleted both times pretty quick.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 15, 2014, 12:28:07 AM

Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2014, 08:00:10 PM

Right.

I do feel for innocent victims of doxxing, though. I welcome suggestions on how to improve forum policy in this area. However, forum policy must be consistent, and I'm not going to start deciding who's guilty and who's not (again).

Hypocrisy? Perhaps if you would like to be consistent, you won't delete threads containing your dox and ban the users that posts it.

https://i.imgur.com/jsjQFup.png

Uh Oh.....true story?

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Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2014, 08:00:10 PM

Right.

I do feel for innocent victims of doxxing, though. I welcome suggestions on how to improve forum policy in this area. However, forum policy must be consistent, and I'm not going to start deciding who's guilty and who's not (again).

Hypocrisy? Perhaps if you would like to be consistent, you won't delete threads containing your dox and ban the users that posts it.

https://i.imgur.com/jsjQFup.png

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Even Theymos had to laugh at this so damn hard.

Laughters unite!

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Quote from: LostDutchman on July 14, 2014, 09:37:37 PM

Yeah, we can tell.

Wink

Look here I am

Jeebus my chin hurts laughing so hard at Home

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Quote from: LostDutchman on July 14, 2014, 08:59:11 PM

Well, now, among the things in my Magic Bag of Tricks is little subscription information service that I run, the clients of which are mostly attorneys, PIs, process servers, employers and even the occasional law enforcement agency because what we do is scavenge the net for personal information about the requested party.

You would be surprised what is out there!

Nowlet us suppose there is a forum member who we will call "Johnny Jackass".

Just for shits and grins I decide to expose Johnny and begin my search.

Generally within a few hours I will have his SSN, his street adress and a Google view of that, Google directions to his house, his credit rating, the names of his wife, his kids and maybe even the names of his cats and dogs, as well as his boat registration, if he's got one, his licence plate numbers, a copy of his latest tax return, his Facebook account (hacked); the list goes on and by current forum rules I could post it all and be off Scot free!

Now I wouldn't do any of that but the point is that under current forum rules.............

I COULD!

Beginning to get my point?

Pretty funny, My name is Johnny! LOL hahaa.

You may think some of us may be stupid.If we didn't want out info out there, we wouldn't want it out there,

Word advice. If fbi, etc, it would not be out there if not wanted it to be so.

Check this out.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7847842

Then check this out.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-own-a-firearm-688559

See? Get my point?

Then you see.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6751484

Then you see my above info displayed.

Do you see.

It's only if we want you fools to see...

Transparency it's called.

Lol silly rabbits chasing kids like pedophiles... Yes I called agents pedo's, sick fucks.

Edit:

I am dieing for them to come too... But hey you must have a warrant to enter my home in Indiana or I am liable to kill you.

Limbs n pieces they ask?

Lolz...

I am kinda intoxicated atm. and having lots of laughs.

Yeah, we can tell.

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Well, now, among the things in my Magic Bag of Tricks is little subscription information service that I run, the clients of which are mostly attorneys, PIs, process servers, employers and even the occasional law enforcement agency because what we do is scavenge the net for personal information about the requested party.

You would be surprised what is out there!

Nowlet us suppose there is a forum member who we will call "Johnny Jackass".

Just for shits and grins I decide to expose Johnny and begin my search.

Generally within a few hours I will have his SSN, his street adress and a Google view of that, Google directions to his house, his credit rating, the names of his wife, his kids and maybe even the names of his cats and dogs, as well as his boat registration, if he's got one, his licence plate numbers, a copy of his latest tax return, his Facebook account (hacked); the list goes on and by current forum rules I could post it all and be off Scot free!

Now I wouldn't do any of that but the point is that under current forum rules.............

I COULD!

Beginning to get my point?

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Why didn't anyone protect the victims of the emails that were leaked from gawminers that I posted?

This includes me as well.

Edit:

Bitcointalk.org I believe is in a clusterfuck of all things.

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Quote from: Maged on July 14, 2014, 08:22:14 PM

Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2014, 08:00:10 PM

I've been thinking that maybe it would be an improvement to require that dox be posted along with sources for all of the data, and ban dox that doesn't come from a "public source" (government site, news story, Facebook, etc.). This would make casual doxxing more difficult, help readers determine whether the dox is actually accurate, and hamper distribution of info obtained from illegal sources (hacking, etc.). I'm not sure that it would help enough to be worth the trouble, though.

The problem is that it means that people can't post things like shipping info and unpublished email addresses attached to PayPal accounts used in a scam. Ultimately, it comes down to whether or not it's more important to protect innocents vs denying scammers from reusing an identity.

PMs work well for that sort of thing and if they then CHOOSE to make the info public, that's another matter.

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Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2014, 08:00:10 PM

I've been thinking that maybe it would be an improvement to require that dox be posted along with sources for all of the data, and ban dox that doesn't come from a "public source" (government site, news story, Facebook, etc.). This would make casual doxxing more difficult, help readers determine whether the dox is actually accurate, and hamper distribution of info obtained from illegal sources (hacking, etc.). I'm not sure that it would help enough to be worth the trouble, though.

The problem is that it means that people can't post things like shipping info and unpublished email addresses attached to PayPal accounts used in a scam. Ultimately, it comes down to whether or not it's more important to protect innocents vs denying scammers from reusing an identity.

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Hey, thanks for getting my post and thread moved to where it properly belongs!

Been a long day here in BFL Land and I need all the help I can get!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISmgOrhELXs

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Quote from: jekv2 on July 14, 2014, 08:05:59 PM

Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2014, 08:00:10 PM

Quote from: Maged on July 14, 2014, 07:45:41 PM

That is the problem. There is no way that the forum could verify every scam accusation, nor should it have to now that there are more appropriate services available for this. Since we can't make exceptions to allow for people to post the personal information of scammers, we have two choices:

1) Remove all posted personal information, like Reddit.
2) Allow everyone to post personal information about anybody.

Bitcoin attracts a lot of scammers, so I would tend to err on safer side of allowing all personal information. Not to mention, if it wasn't posted here, it would just be posted somewhere else. Public information cannot be made unpublic.

Right.

I do feel for innocent victims of doxxing, though. I welcome suggestions on how to improve forum policy in this area.

Close bitcointalk.org down.

Edit:
Am I being sarcastic or for real?

Sarcastic, of course, you silly boy!

Wink

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Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2014, 08:00:10 PM

Quote from: Maged on July 14, 2014, 07:45:41 PM

That is the problem. There is no way that the forum could verify every scam accusation, nor should it have to now that there are more appropriate services available for this. Since we can't make exceptions to allow for people to post the personal information of scammers, we have two choices:

1) Remove all posted personal information, like Reddit.
2) Allow everyone to post personal information about anybody.

Bitcoin attracts a lot of scammers, so I would tend to err on safer side of allowing all personal information. Not to mention, if it wasn't posted here, it would just be posted somewhere else. Public information cannot be made unpublic.

Right.

I do feel for innocent victims of doxxing, though. I welcome suggestions on how to improve forum policy in this area.

Close bitcointalk.org down.

Edit:
Am I being sarcastic or for real?

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Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2014, 08:00:10 PM

Quote from: Maged on July 14, 2014, 07:45:41 PM

That is the problem. There is no way that the forum could verify every scam accusation, nor should it have to now that there are more appropriate services available for this. Since we can't make exceptions to allow for people to post the personal information of scammers, we have two choices:

1) Remove all posted personal information, like Reddit.
2) Allow everyone to post personal information about anybody.

Bitcoin attracts a lot of scammers, so I would tend to err on safer side of allowing all personal information. Not to mention, if it wasn't posted here, it would just be posted somewhere else. Public information cannot be made unpublic.

Right.

I do feel for innocent victims of doxxing, though. I welcome suggestions on how to improve forum policy in this area. However, forum policy must be consistent, and I'm not going to start deciding who's guilty and who's not.

I've been thinking that maybe it would be an improvement to require that dox be posted along with sources for all of the data, and ban dox that doesn't come from a "public source" (government site, news story, Facebook, etc.). This would make casual doxxing more difficult, help readers determine whether the dox is actually accurate, and hamper distribution of info obtained from illegal sources (hacking, etc.). I'm not sure that it would help enough to be worth the trouble, though.

Well, I think it would but thank you for noticing this thread and recognising the problem.

I cannot thank you enough for your efforts in maintaining this forum and do not think for one second that I was calling into question your honesty or integrity.

Again thank you for your help but I do beleive that the privacy of forum must be preserved in order to maintain an atmosphere of free and open communiction.

The Dutchman.

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Quote from: LostDutchman on July 14, 2014, 07:05:21 PM

It Is Not Against Forum Rules For Users To Post Your Personal Information Here!

That's right! Why did you surprise though?

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Quote from: Maged on July 14, 2014, 07:45:41 PM

That is the problem. There is no way that the forum could verify every scam accusation, nor should it have to now that there are more appropriate services available for this. Since we can't make exceptions to allow for people to post the personal information of scammers, we have two choices:

1) Remove all posted personal information, like Reddit.
2) Allow everyone to post personal information about anybody.

Bitcoin attracts a lot of scammers, so I would tend to err on safer side of allowing all personal information. Not to mention, if it wasn't posted here, it would just be posted somewhere else. Public information cannot be made unpublic.

Right.

I do feel for innocent victims of doxxing, though. I welcome suggestions on how to improve forum policy in this area. However, forum policy must be consistent, and I'm not going to start deciding who's guilty and who's not (again).

I've been thinking that maybe it would be an improvement to require that dox be posted along with sources for all of the data, and ban dox that doesn't come from a "public source" (government site, news story, Facebook, etc.). This would make casual doxxing more difficult, help readers determine whether the dox is actually accurate, and hamper distribution of info obtained from illegal sources (hacking, etc.). I'm not sure that it would help enough to be worth the trouble, though.

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Quote from: Maged on July 14, 2014, 07:45:41 PM

Quote from: LostDutchman on July 14, 2014, 07:05:21 PM

I think that we all need to petition Theymos for identity protection except for proven scam accusatioins here on this forum.

That is the problem. There is no way that the forum could verify every scam accusation, nor should it have to now that there are more appropriate services available for this. Since we can't make exceptions to allow for people to post the personal information of scammers, we have two choices:

1) Remove all posted personal information, like Reddit.
2) Allow everyone to post personal information about anybody.

Bitcoin attracts a lot of scammers, so I would tend to err on safer side of allowing all personal information. Not to mention, if it wasn't posted here, it would just be posted somewhere else. Public information cannot be made unpublic.

How do you verify the accuracy of such "publicly" posted information?

What is this place?

The Jerry Springer of Bitcoin?

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Quote from: SLok on July 14, 2014, 07:33:30 PM

Man you have no integrity, never had it, never will, rotten till the bone (well, intergity maybe Cheesy

)

Quote from: SLok on July 14, 2014, 07:04:53 PM

Old guy, you are the hell food here:
The only stories going around about you show what a faker you are, making up your own secretary, lol, this is just a start, Sally Rand, Nick Danger, rocky racoon, marion sydney lynn, aliasmithorjones, Cindy Hoffs, faking being several online hookers, the list is endless! http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1012937, http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=987268, http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1029034, http://spam-court.com/?q=node/67
I'll keep the list of bankruptcies for now, running off with the money and hiding on mama's farm.

lol. businessman
52lincoln.com
corporationwolf.info
fiftymilespergallon4u.info
freegascards4u.com
onestopcorporationshop.com
rivercitytalk.com
rocket88.info
1600friedchickenavenue.com

Now, now, Slok!

Cool your jets!

We know you are just an excitable boy and I have it on good authority that this very song was written about YOU!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4-pexSVWzM

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Quote from: Lauda on July 14, 2014, 07:30:22 PM

I'm going to tag this to be moved to meta, off-topic is not the right place for it.
This is just crazy. Basically if someone wanted to make a personal attack on you, the forum rules would allow it. Great.
The rules are just a mess here.

Well, OK.

I didn't think of Meta.

Thanks for your input!

The Dutchman.

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Quote from: LostDutchman on July 14, 2014, 07:05:21 PM

I think that we all need to petition Theymos for identity protection except for proven scam accusatioins here on this forum.

That is the problem. There is no way that the forum could verify every scam accusation, nor should it have to now that there are more appropriate services available for this. Since we can't make exceptions to allow for people to post the personal information of scammers, we have two choices:

1) Remove all posted personal information, like Reddit.
2) Allow everyone to post personal information about anybody.

Bitcoin attracts a lot of scammers, so I would tend to err on safer side of allowing all personal information. Not to mention, if it wasn't posted here, it would just be posted somewhere else. Public information cannot be made unpublic.

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Man you have no integrity, never had it, never will, rotten till the bone (well, intergity maybe Cheesy

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Quote from: SLok on July 14, 2014, 07:04:53 PM

Old guy, you are the hell food here:
The only stories going around about you show what a faker you are, making up your own secretary, lol, this is just a start, Sally Rand, Nick Danger, rocky racoon, marion sydney lynn, aliasmithorjones, Cindy Hoffs, faking being several online hookers, the list is endless! http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1012937, http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=987268, http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1029034, http://spam-court.com/?q=node/67
I'll keep the list of bankruptcies for now, running off with the money and hiding on mama's farm.

lol. businessman
52lincoln.com
corporationwolf.info
fiftymilespergallon4u.info
freegascards4u.com
onestopcorporationshop.com
rivercitytalk.com
rocket88.info
1600friedchickenavenue.com

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Terminated.

I'm going to tag this to be moved to meta, off-topic is not the right place for it.
This is just crazy. Basically if someone wanted to make a personal attack on you, the forum rules would allow it. Great.
The rules are just a mess here.

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First time I've ever heard of a forum which allows the posting of the personal information of others by forum users.

Seems a day or two ago a forum member posted personal information which he thought was about me in order to attempt to impugn my intergity.

He was wide of the mark but I nevertheless complained to the appropriate moderator.

Getting no respones, I complained again and again no response.

Figuring the squeaky wheel gets the grease, I complained yet again and received this response today:

In other words, your privacy on this forum is not guarranteed by forum rules.

Any Tom, Dickwad or Harry can try to figure out who you are and post it all over the place without penalty.

Now I replied to the Mod that I would handle it, so handle I have.

I think that we all need to petition Theymos for identity protection except for proven scam accusatioins here on this forum.

What say you?

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