It Is Possible To Invest In Crypto Currency Without Buying Any Coins.

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Quote from: tygeade on December 30, 2022, 02:01:03 AM

It must be a passive approach in my view.

A passive approach it is indeed, because am certain one wouldn't have to go through the stress of regular payments if the investment is broken down into percentages within a time frame. Also, for persons who have very busy schedules and have this idea as a sure way to retirement without the knowledge of those close and around (family and friends), using a trusted broker with the right knowledge about crypto investment is a good idea.

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Quote from: Adbitco on December 30, 2022, 03:23:02 AM

But if I would ask you why do you want to go through that rough methods to acquire crypto related stocks instead buying directly?
Do you know is very risky involving yourself to such investment and what could be your aim of doing that after knowing the real deal with bitcoin itself. When it comes of investment it doesn't implies any difficulty rather you talking precautions on the kinds of investment you venture into, for instance, you can have direct access to buy bitcoin from any exchange or p2p and moved it directly to a safe and secure wallet which you think is more reliable and accessible to you than any exchanges or any other means which you ever think of. From the current trends and happening also note that any platform you don't have control over your funds doesn't really belong to you.

There are some people who are used to doing unorthodox methods to make money because they think that in this world you need to think outside of the box to make money. In reality just investing 10% of your salary into bitcoin and keep doing that every time you get a paycheck, then when you have 20% of the money ready, go buy a house and pay 20% downpayment and 80% of it would be loans, and keep doing the same thing, save 10% of your salary and put it on bitcoin, and pay the loan back with the rent, and if its anything more than you could cut down on your expenses.

When you are ready get another house with 20% down payment if bitcoin is up, and then 80% loan, if you want you can refinance both and get a third one as well. This would put a lot of debt on you, but you would have 3 houses to rent out so that should help you a lot. If you can push through like this in life, by 50-60 years old, you should be a big landlord.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

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Are there any other methods you know, that one can buy/invest in crypto from without using a regular exchange or trader?

^If you have a business then, yes.
You can accept BTC as a payment in your merchant in exchange for the product that you have sold, for example, a coffee shop or a grocery store that accepts BTC. Without investment, could be yes, but there is an exchange that considers investment as well.
As the link says, buying ETF seems like you are buying coins but not directly in crypto, but I don't understand this thing, is that ETF safe for saving your fund to the asset that you don't have full control of? Considering all fo this is a very high-risk decision.

There are a lot ways to invest in crypto without buying from exchanges. You can join signature campaigns and earn bitcoin, or you can work with crypto jobs available and still earn crypto, or you can even put up a business wherein you can accept bitcoin as a payment. All your goods and services can be paid through btc, that way that you can earn a lot of bitcoin and serves as your main investments in crypto.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on December 29, 2022, 07:23:54 PM

If you don't want to buy crypto from any exchanges then only P2P is your best option but as you said above your other option is to mine the Crypto it's not hard to build a mining rig or if you don't want to build then you can buy ASIC units it is PlugNPlay and mine a coin.

Another option is that you can build your own website and sell services, digital goods, or any product you can offer then accept Crypto as their payment. Don't forget the signature campaign, you already wearing a signature it means you are earning coins or BTC that's another option.

Right. Accepting you salary in the form of bitcoin or any cryptocurrency will always be considered a crypto investment too, as you can easily keep them in your wallet while waiting for it’s value to surge high. If you can save some of it, then don’t bother to buy anymore at any centralized exchanges as there is still transaction fee added. Or you can just open your own business exchange if you have sufficient funds, and maximize your crypto hodlings.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on December 30, 2022, 08:46:17 AM

I have not seen such information that Tesla has sold all its bitcoins. According to the quarterly report https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/EIUQEC_2022_Q2_Quarterly_Update_Deck_J8VLIK.pdf 75% of previously purchased BTC were sold in the period from April to June 2022 in the amount of $936 million. Given this fact, it can be assumed that Tesla currently owns 10 thousand bitcoins worth approximately $165 million.

Thanks for the correction, I have forgotten that, all I remembered was that Tesla sold its bitcoin holding, but just reread the news now to see it was only 75% that was sold. If roughly 42000 BTC was bought, then we can assume that Tesla still has roughly 10500 BTC holding. I have edited that already.

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I see no reason why I would go through this kind of stress when I can just buy Bitcoin or any other crypto through peer - to - peer.
The whole process mentioned in Op is just so complicated and also looks like something that's going to stress those involved in it.

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Sounds like buying a warped product or stock. I am not aware to invest in crypto in such as way. It's like buying ETF and I am not well aware of this. I won't prefer though to buy or invest in such as way. We can control crypto it is our wallet where you can't control if you buy stock. You may buy a stock like Coinbase, it's not directly crypto but you are investing in a crypto exchange. I suggest buying direct coins and holding on your wallet.

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Either this is the right choice or even more complicated because it involves purchasing with a third party. Meanwhile, you can easily buy and send Bitcoin directly to your wallet without involving a specific product or company. Buying using P2P services is nothing but simple and easy and of course only you and the seller are involved, direct, exposed and of course not complicated through the stages that have to follow layered procedures.

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... Why though? You can perfectly buy crypto by yourself in exchanges and you guarantee yourself that you own it with a hardware wallet (or something similar in terms of security). I mean I guess it's possible but I probably wouldn't think of it like that if I were to ever do it. I guess some options are businesses, projects, or maybe NFT's? Stocks of a company even can count I guess? I'm basically suggesting anything that can be substituted for something with value here. Some would probably take specific contracts or something though.

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That is like the traditional investing of stocks where you are part owner of the company of that stocks but you are not really the owner of it.
But why? You can even hold and have crypto as you buy it so why choose to have nothing in your possession and you will let it be entrusted to a broker? I guess that's the right term for that platform you are asking for.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

For example, a company like Tesla, holds over billion dollars in Bitcoin and is known to have accepted Bitcoin payments in the past. It is one of the top choices amongst a host of others who use and accept crypto currency for payments and trade.

Tesla has no bitcoin again that is officially declared, all sold. Yes, not accepting bitcoin payment again, but bitcoin remain to be a valuable coin.

I have not seen such information that Tesla has sold all its bitcoins. According to the quarterly report https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/EIUQEC_2022_Q2_Quarterly_Update_Deck_J8VLIK.pdf 75% of previously purchased BTC were sold in the period from April to June 2022 in the amount of $936 million. Given this fact, it can be assumed that Tesla currently owns 10 thousand bitcoins worth approximately $165 million.

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You can buy shares of a project in any form, that should support the project and if the project is based on crypto, you are supporting crypto indirectly. Invest in an exchange or a casino - because these two are the biggest market hubs of spending bitcoin or crypto.

Of course I would not recommend buying tokens on tokensales for newly hyped projects, although that seems to be the most direct route, it is also the most risky as compared with buying bitcoin.

In general speaking, investing in a crypto based company even today carries a lot of uncertainty - fear of government crackdown, market losses, bankruptcy or plain scam. Even exchanges running for long go bust one day.

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Is this a component of asset diversification apart from bitcoin but still connected to bitcoin? Or you want to buy bitcoin but you do not want to connect with any exchanges? I have some friends in the USA that want to hold bitcoin but don't want to register and do KYC on centralized exchanges. However, you've been a member of bitcointalk for a while, you should be familiar with our most reputable escrow providers. They may accept deals to let you buy bitcoins with your fiat.

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Well NFT is one of the options. They are arts whether physical or digital you can have their ownership and you are not really paying for any coins. But issue will come at point when you will be buying them with WETH or ETH since most of them are bought outright with it. You may need to find someone who is reselling an NFT so that you can pay them directly in the fiat. You can wait for the NFT to get valued over the period and then sell it for the fiat currency. This way you will be in the crypto space but you will not be touching any coins. The other way is simply through your brokers. You pay them fiat, ask them to trade in the crypto space, get your profits. Your broker gets the commission and you both stay happy.

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I'm a bit confused because the poster didn't really explain how to invest in crypt currency without buying any coin, please I would love that you use a layman's terms so beginners can savvy what the post actually intend

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But if I would ask you why do you want to go through that rough methods to acquire crypto related stocks instead buying directly?
Do you know is very risky involving yourself to such investment and what could be your aim of doing that after knowing the real deal with bitcoin itself. When it comes of investment it doesn't implies any difficulty rather you talking precautions on the kinds of investment you venture into, for instance, you can have direct access to buy bitcoin from any exchange or p2p and moved it directly to a safe and secure wallet which you think is more reliable and accessible to you than any exchanges or any other means which you ever think of. From the current trends and happening also note that any platform you don't have control over your funds doesn't really belong to you.

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It is possible that what you say through the business that you have, you can use Bitcoin as a shopping option for your customer if he wants to pay for your goods using Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency that is accepted.

This way, you will have cryptocurrency in your balance without having to use money directly from your own pockets. And many people are doing this in our country.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

I was thinking of an easier way to acquire crypto currency as investments without actually buying any directly from a trader or an exchange. I discovered how sane it is to purchase stock from publicly traded companies, working on or utilizing efficiently the blockchain technology by either mining crypto, being involved in the development of blockchain technology, or holding significant amounts of crypto on their balance sheets, also, through mutual funds, and exchange-traded funds (ETFs).

You may go for it for the purposes of diversification after you have reached the threshold levels in cryptocurrency investments.

By directly investing, your risk and rewards will be high and if your are involving through the corporates who are all into crypto adaption then your risk and rewards will be significantly comes down. It must be a passive approach in my view.

Basically I am not planning anything like this as of now. I just wanted to maximize my ROI by utilizing my knowledge on altcoin industry to minimize the risk factors.

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Quote from: bittraffic on December 29, 2022, 11:07:31 PM

He meant indirect investment like the link he posted which means not buying the cryptocurrency himself which the article says crypto ETF and Mutual funds. It defeats the purpose of owning the crypto assets though.

In this forum, one can really get to earn crypto either altcoins or BTC by joining campaigns. That would mean no money coming out of the pockets but he gotta work for it.

What he invested in is not real bitcoins but medium certificating assets that claim to be bitcoins. If those companies, those funds collapse, he won't get any bitcoins and will lose all money he used to buy those assets.

Buying bitcoins on centralized exchanges, storing bitcoins in their custody wallets are bad enough but what OP wanted to do is more terrible. He did not buy bitcoins but buying toilet papers

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Quote from: hd49728 on December 29, 2022, 10:55:20 PM

Did you misunderstand about investment?

Investment means you use your money, capital to buy something, hold it with belief that these things will increase in value and bring profit to your portfolio.

If you don't buy anything, it is not investment.

You can claim faucets, receive cryptocurrency as birthday gift or any sort of gift from others and hold it too but with these inputs, I don't consider that you are investing.

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Investment is the dedication of money to purchase of an asset to attain an increase in value over a period of time. Investment requires a sacrifice of some present asset, such as time, money, or effort.

He meant indirect investment like the link he posted which means not buying the cryptocurrency himself which the article says crypto ETF and Mutual funds. It defeats the purpose of owning the crypto assets though.

In this forum, one can really get to earn crypto either altcoins or BTC by joining campaigns. That would mean no money coming out of the pockets but he gotta work for it.

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Did you misunderstand about investment?

Investment means you use your money, capital to buy something, hold it with belief that these things will increase in value and bring profit to your portfolio.

If you don't buy anything, it is not investment.

You can claim faucets, receive cryptocurrency as birthday gift or any sort of gift from others and hold it too but with these inputs, I don't consider that you are investing.

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Investment is the dedication of money to purchase of an asset to attain an increase in value over a period of time. Investment requires a sacrifice of some present asset, such as time, money, or effort.

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Is it sort of like with shares? As if you were purchasing a stock from a corporation? If so, it is not possible in crypto currency, and if you find one, I think it is risky because someone will be holding your coin. I'm not sure why you're comparing bitcoin to the stock market, but the answer is that you must buy and hold the coin you want to buy; crypto currency does not work like the stock market.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

For example, a company like Tesla, holds over billion dollars in Bitcoin and is known to have accepted Bitcoin payments in the past. It is one of the top choices amongst a host of others who use and accept crypto currency for payments and trade.

Isn't it's just the same? I mean in exchange of your products you'll acquirw cryptocurrency, not just directly. You just want the longer process because you'll just wait for someone who'll pay your products using cryptocurrency which for me is not worth it since product depreciate overtime, so buying cryptocurrency directly to an exchange is the best and hold it to your own wallet which you hold your own keys.

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

Are there any other methods you know, that one can buy/invest in crypto from without using a regular exchange or trader?

https://www.investopedia.com/indirect-crypto-investment-6386330

You could buy it directly from someone, but first you have to vouch that person before proceeding to avoid getting scam, and make your that person won't cause you any harm after transaction.

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I don't think buying crypto related stocks is a good idea. Unless you're well diversified investments, you might be investing in a company with a stronger risk tolerance than you and you'll definitely be investing in a stock with investors that have higher risk tolerances too (so they'll bump the value up already).

The lowest risk way to invest in crypto would by to save money in a bank account and invest the ~4% you make a year. Slightly more risky goes towards buying index funds and stocks and using your investment growth to buy bitcoin. The next risky is probably just buying bitcoin.

I recommend deciding if there's something you can market in exchange for crypto though as that can produce higher returns at lower risks than everything listed above.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on December 29, 2022, 07:23:54 PM

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<...>your other option is to mine the Crypto it's not hard to build a mining rig or if you don't want to build then you can buy ASIC units it is PlugNPlay and mine a coin.

I don't think so if this is good to advise without knowing where OP's live, because making a profit in mining now depends on where you are located at. There are too many places bitcoin mining is not profitable, especially in places where the electricity bill is quite expensive not like in cold places where the electricity bill is very cheap and the place is cold no need for ventilation. So, this still depends on the OP's location.
Trading stocks for bitcoin is not an investment without buying, you still trading your asset for bitcoin, Tesla company has a good marketing strategy --they can cover losses once bitcoin drop because they have a lot of money, but on our side, once bitcoin is down, it is hard to get our wallet and spend to trade stocks or vice versa.

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If you don't want to buy crypto from any exchanges then only P2P is your best option but as you said above your other option is to mine the Crypto it's not hard to build a mining rig or if you don't want to build then you can buy ASIC units it is PlugNPlay and mine a coin.

Another option is that you can build your own website and sell services, digital goods, or any product you can offer then accept Crypto as their payment. Don't forget the signature campaign, you already wearing a signature it means you are earning coins or BTC that's another option.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

~snip~

Are there any other methods you know, that one can buy/invest in crypto from without using a regular exchange or trader?

^If you have a business then, yes.
You can accept BTC as a payment in your merchant in exchange for the product that you have sold, for example, a coffee shop or a grocery store that accepts BTC. Without investment, could be yes, but there is an exchange that considers investment as well.
As the link says, buying ETF seems like you are buying coins but not directly in crypto, but I don't understand this thing, is that ETF safe for saving your fund to the asset that you don't have full control of? Considering all fo this is a very high-risk decision.

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You can invest in stock funds which have bitcoin on their portfolio. Instead of purchasing bitcoin, you purchase paying dividends assets which invest part of their funds in btc. There are retirement funds which also use the same methodology. By contributing to a retirement fund which invests in bitcoin, you are also investing indirectly.

However, I don't see why to invest like this. With bitcoin you can cut every middlemen from your personal investments. You can have total control of your assets in your hands and 100% profit in the end, as you don't have to pay fees, taxes or comissions to the stock funds or retirement funds.

I believe such funds are more for people who don't have any informatics and internet knowledge, so they have to pay someone to invest for them.

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When I can buy bitcoin directly and hold it, why the need of any third party? Not your key not your coin on the blockchain, no full control.

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

Some pre-points to consider before doing this, should include an up to date status for security, charges/fees, and the risk of loss(es) in mind.

The fee is always far higher.

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

For example, a company like Tesla, holds over billion dollars in Bitcoin and is known to have accepted Bitcoin payments in the past. It is one of the top choices amongst a host of others who use and accept crypto currency for payments and trade.

Yes, not accepting bitcoin payment again, but bitcoin remain to be a valuable coin.

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM

Are there any other methods you know, that one can buy/invest in crypto from without using a regular exchange or trader?

Direct peer-to-peer and exchanges are the means to buy bitcoin and it should be sent to a noncustodial wallet (cold storage and hardware wallets are safer) that you have its seed phrase that can always generate the keys and addresses.

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While I don't understand why would somebody (especially an individual) risk their money on various "products" wrapped around bitcoin instead of buying the "real thing" (for corporations the situation may differ, that's why I said individual), there are already a couple of directions, from ETFs, futures and similar financial products to stocks of businesses that have acquired bitcoin. For individuals even "buying bitcoin" at PayPal or Revolut is actually not the real deal (afaik they still sell only IOUs).
Also there were shares (or similar iirc) to be bought at El Salvador's bitcoin venture, but you can look up in the forum to read how bad they are.
These financial products linked to bitcoin can be nice/correct ones or can be some complicated products containing more fees and booby traps than means to earn money.
So be very careful. I still recommend going for the real deal - bitcoin - even if that means you have to learn a bit of this or that and also acquire a hardware wallet.

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I was thinking of an easier way to acquire crypto currency as investments without actually buying any directly from a trader or an exchange. I discovered how sane it is to purchase stock from publicly traded companies, working on or utilizing efficiently the blockchain technology by either mining crypto, being involved in the development of blockchain technology, or holding significant amounts of crypto on their balance sheets, also, through mutual funds, and exchange-traded funds (ETFs).
By using the method of buying stocks, it is wise to patronize companies or industries with a financial stake in the future of cryptocurrency or blockchain technology.
Some pre-points to consider before doing this, should include an up to date status for security, charges/fees, and the risk of loss(es) in mind.

For example, a company like Tesla, holds over billion dollars in Bitcoin and is known to have accepted Bitcoin payments in the past. It is one of the top choices amongst a host of others who use and accept crypto currency for payments and trade.

Are there any other methods you know, that one can buy/invest in crypto from without using a regular exchange or trader?

https://www.investopedia.com/indirect-crypto-investment-6386330

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