Topic: Italy data: COVID-19 no more virulent than the flu (Read 419 times)

COVID-19 no more virulent than the flu.


This is not known. Why not? Because they haven't been able to separate Covid-19 testing from simple flu testing. So, they don't know if the more virulent ones are the flu, or if they are CV. Could be either, since the testing is so mixed up.

However, even if the testing were not mixed up, Italians are dying from all kinds of things besides the flu or CV. And they can't even tell the difference between flu/CV or something else.

Italy's Corona Virus Death Toll is high they are the most affected by the virus and they are the most affected in Italy after China About 1,19,827 people have been reported in Italy However many have recovered. Now that Italy has come under a lot of control the coronary virus has almost lost its numbers Has opened all lockdowns in their country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg

We are all obligated to pray

But only 8,213 of them coming from CV. The rest coming from all kinds of other diseases, and would have happened anyway.

88,219 deaths

Doesn't anyone understand exponential growth at all?
I mean its like 82,126 deaths now, common...

COVID 19 is not more virulent than the flu but rather kills and makes more mass panic than the flu...
in the problem of healing, curing people with flu is very easy because flu medicines are spread everywhere but COVID 19 is not and until now the drug has not been found.

In any case, it makes no sense to panic. Because it doesn’t help the situation. However, as far as I know, this is not just a virus (like the flu), but a virus in conjunction with the Synthia bacterium, which was created to destroy the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico about 10 years ago. This bacterium, by eating carbon (destroying any organic matter), acts on humans in the same way as coronavirus. There is information that a semi-dead fish that died from Synthia was accidentally (or not accidentally) delivered to China. People ate it and this virus appeared. I may be wrong in the details, but I think that it was something like this. And, perhaps, you will not find information about this on the english-speaking Internet, since this information is intentionally hushed up. Our body copes with coronavirus easily (like with the flu), but with Covid 19 (virus + bacterium), our body is more difficult to cope with. But there is a solution - baking soda. By alkalizing the body, you allow immunity to defeat the virus.

However, if you use courtroom techniques, you can prove things in a relative way. So, your post proves you would rather enhance a hoax than get to the truth.

it's sad

73,731

But then again, you can't prove anything. Your brain is just neuron impulses that fire as a feedback. For all you know, this could be the matrix, a computer simulation, brain in vat, your brain inside a giant animal, that evolved by evolution, to fire the precise electrical impulse, everything you think you know could just be one elaborate illusion.

But yes. On one part, the numbers may be underreported by many countries. Reports that the death Is actually around 65,000 to 90,000 in Italy. And china is a massive coverup potentially. Viruses can mutate.
But the initial tests on people do test out as covid-19. So very likely non-tested is also covid-19. 

Arguing wasn't the plan. The plan was a question.

Since anybody can make up charts, where is the proof that this one is right? Where is the proof that the medical actually knows how to determine in massive numbers of people that the virus checking that they did, turned up Covid-19? Maybe what they found was something that hundreds of viruses show, and they don't really have any way of knowing which virus of the hundreds they are viewing.

The point isn't to speculate. Neither is it to believe because you feel right about it.

The point is proof. Do you have it, the proof?

You both can argue into your face turns blue, and into kingdom's come. Argue yourselves strapped onto a rocket, and argue yourselves all the way to the moon 

Nice words... from both of us, btw. Now let's get it to court with professional debaters, and strict conditions, to see what is true and what is hearsay.

Heart attack... ehhh looks COVID19ey to me!  Stage 4 cancer and 91..... def COVID19!  

They clearly need moar money for moar cases! Die, DIEEEEEEEEEEE.  More children "milestones" would really make "us" take this seriously.

 

^^^ If true, from other causes that would have happened anyway.

67,928 deaths

Italy deaths down this year, from 2017 flu.     

Italy has reported already 15,000 deaths from Coronavirus.
Personally, I believe that they are going to hit 20,000 at least, till the end of this situation. It is very sad to read about such numbers. It is like Italy is on an official war right now...

Arkansas at the moment.  I'm just a poser with this name haha. (I was living in SF when I created this name)


Why aren't they self-isolating in the empty parking lots that their hospitals like the are telling us to do at our homes?  Because it is inconvenient and not actually needed!!!


Jesus Christ on a stick... how about a simple season change?  That generally makes cold and flu season pass... it worked for the Spanish Flu as well.

That's the worst thing about all of this... the Government is going to attempt to claim that they stopped this virus and the reality is they hurt us far more than helped us.  

The Government can't stop the wind.  At least not yet.

Based on his name, I'd say california in the us.

Many doctors and nurses are dying right now.   We can only hope that we gain herd immunity before we lose all our caregivers.

Italy was more affected by the Coronavirus after China Italy has surpassed China but if we are a little more aware of ourselves we will be able to avoid the disease at least to some extent In Italy a month ago there were 4 patients but the increase was 53,558. But now Italy is gaining a lot of control COVID-19 is hitting Spain more this time But COVID-19 is not more deadly than the flu The flu is even direr.

It doesn't matter how good of care they take or how disinfected they are if they get sneezed on in a local gas station or if one single nurse smokes a blunt after work.  A sick person can spread the sickness before showing symptoms allegedly.  There are just too many chances for failure outside of the workplace that healthcare professionals can't be sure of. The only way to prevent them from harming us or for us harming them is for the healthcare community to actually practice what they preach and isolate this thing at the hospitals.  However, that is a huge pain in the ass for them, so they'd rather ask an entire general public to try because they can't!

Doctors are around sick people + around venerable people.  They shouldn't be around the general community and the best way to do that is to obviously isolate at work.

Hospital parking lots are EMPTY across the country... however, staff continues to move on and off-campus worry-free it seems, while encouraging the public to be REALLY worried and stay hunkered down.


You're fucking retarded. I don't spread shit.  I'm not at risk.  I'm not around people at risk if they do catch a cold.  A person that works in harm's way & works around sick people that doesn't practice what they preach puts ME in harm's way if you and them are even remotely correct.

Stop acting like these are charity workers... these doctors get 60-80% of my state taxes.  They aren't there out of the goodness of your heart, it's their fucking job.

I appreciate them, but god damn... Mohamad Abokjnsdognb from India is ready to replace Dr. Whitey if Dr. Whitey willing to do what is right while he makes $500,000 a year.

I wonder what country you live on, its probably one of the countries with tens of thousands of deaths...

The obvious reason the hospitals are not quarantined, is because the health workers and medics are disciplined enough to follow bio hazard protocol, even so a few of them fall victim and become patients, they risk their lives everyday to treat people like you who spread this nonsense.

The point of the isolation is to slowdown the infection rate so the health system can cope with the grave cases, which in various countries has gotten out of hand and many people die literally on the streets or at home untreated.

To slow the infection rate you have to keep humans apart from each other, humans who are not used to keep 6 feet distance, or wear mask and gloves and wash their hands properly.

Then why aren't the hospitals locked down & staff quarantined onsite? 

Answer: It isn't a big enough deal to disturb or inconvenience the doctors. This isn't rocket appliances.

It's the end of cold/flu season naturally like every other year before this one.  The Government will claim a victory against this invisible monster soon, and there is no way to prove that Governments hurt the people rather than helping.

Life goes on and Bitcoin will probably skyrocket.

normal flu has a technical known stat called an r0
seasonal flu is about a 1.3 infectious tranmission amount
covid is about 2.6

that means when an average person with seasonal flu who touches say 15 people an average of near 1 of them will get it
where as with corona is more closer to 3 people get it

secondly people can be more infectious within a short time.. thus infectious before they are symptomatic

think of it this way.
if you are going to get seasonal flu. you gets symptoms first and normally stay home in bed. so not pass it on to random people and mainly just your spouse you sleep with

with corona you can pass it on more before you realise your sick

most concerning part is that
even if the numbers are low where they say X% severe.. if you do the maths. that is still alot of population

so its about concern that healthcare facilities just dont have enough ICU beds to get upto 2-3x more sick people. and get them in such rapid succession.. compared to seasonal flu which can have less people and more spaced apart

think about it. if you can infect someone on day 5 of you being infected with seasonal flu.. thats a 5 day gap
but corona is more like infectious in 2 day

so corona
                    DAY 1     DAY 2     DAY 3     DAY 4     DAY 5     DAY 6     DAY 7
fred.. infects               dave         jack       jennie     [fred gets symptoms]
dave infects                 |_                        mary       john       jeff          [dave gets symptoms]
jack infects                                   |_                     joe          frank      pam
jennie infects                                             |_                       alice      bob
mary infects                                               |_                      charles   bruce
john infects                                                            |_                        Dan
joe infects                                                              |_                        Lee

so day 7 there are 17 people so far named

now seasonal flu
fred infects                                                          [gets symptoms]his wife

thats 2 active infections in 7 days
2 vs 17.. seems to me that corona has more risks

That's why you only "test" the stars that people look up to and can realize how serious and scary this is!!!

All of these go against what you're saying, but work well for propaganda to get people to take this invisible monster seriously :

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9-LVMpBe9p/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES3wY4XUUAAq5nX?format=png&name=small

https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/singer-pink-covid-19-1m-relief-funds-69973031

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9w1fGQhllp/

https://mobile.twitter.com/idriselba/status/1239617034901524481

https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/kristofer-hivju-coronavirus.html

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-rachel-matthews-frozen-20200317-kx53luxnfnavtnmf6f2bnn4xqi-story.html

https://www.instagram.com/p/B93KrJoFEOq/?utm_source=ig_embed

Here is a far bigger and laughable list of propaganda tests:  https://www.vulture.com/article/famous-people-celebrities-with-coronavirus.html

How can you say Covid-19 is greater than the flu? No one know it. Anybody can make a chart. Get the chart-maker's sources into court and let them literally prove their case. But if they are lying, 20 years, but maybe execution.

How can you say Covid-19 is less than the flu? No one know it.



This virus only 1 month and 3 weeks can infect 119,827 people ( average 2496/daily )
Now the virus is still infect many people, especially in USA. We should take care our healthy about this virus. It's not a joke

Keep saying that as the deaths go up exponentially... It will eventually surpass all other deaths/yearly combined. Let's see how far this rocket goes?



I posted the below on march 31, and it was 39,000. Commeting on the post saying "It's only 38,000"
It's already almost double that 4 days later.

There was a old-mythology, where a farmer saved the king's life. And the king offered anything the farmer wished. Quickly, smiled, and pulled out a chessboard.
Said to the king: "Here is 1 grain of rice on square 1", "2 grain of rice on square 2", and "4 grain of rice on square 3". I wish for a doubling of rice for each square of the chessboard.
Quickly the king agreed. At square 14, it was only 16384 grains of rice. Enough for 1 person for 1 day - Not a big deal. At square 21 it was enough for 3 month supply for 1 person.
Square 28, Enough for an entire village for 3 months. Square 35, a large region. By Square 40-43 it was more then the entire kingdom output of rice for a year.

Quickly the king ordered the execution of the farmer...

But you can see, how we tend to think on linear terms. And look at the information in front of us, without looking into the future...
You see 3 apples, you think 3 only. But pull out the seeds, plant 3 apple trees, pull the seeds out of all the apples in those 3 apple trees, plant 1000 trees. Eventually you've got millions of apples.
We think 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20. Our brains evolved from evoultion to think like this.

But no one thinks. 1,2,4,8,16.... at step 20 1 million, step 27 127 Million.

If something bigger comes out of this the planet are going to be utterly crying Infected with COVID-19 but many are becoming better or dying   but if we are conscious of it it's possible to regulate it. But the flu is way more severe If this happens death is inevitable. i feel COVID-19 isn't more deadly than the flu.

The co-ordinated fear campaign seems like somewhat of an over-reaction... perhaps preparation for something bigger to come?

The serious problem with COVID-19 is the fact that can be transmitted very easily.
The ordinary flu can infect a lot of people but it cannot penetrate so fast and easy your lungs and damage them.
That's the reason why we are seeing so many people dying every day.

If governments doesn't have the health care system which is capable of treating all their citizens then why they are asking tax from all their citizen.If we are on our own at critical conditions then we shouldn't be paying taxes for nothing,at least enjoy your earning more before your death.

It is impossible to test all the population of the world in order to see if they are infected.
Scientists suggest the young people not to get tested in order not to over stress the healthcare system. It is better to see the old people - who are more prone to death from coronavirus - to get tested in order to try to cure them as soon as possible.

COVID-19 is less than the flu.

How many times have you ever heard "If you are young and healthy and think you have the flu... please do NOT come get tested!  Stay at home unless you can't breath." lol fml.

If it is such a big deal... why are they locking down Citizens rather than hospitals?  I haven't heard of a single area of the world that is locking Doctors/Nurses in!!! They are the ones we want to keep healthy + they are on the frontlines of this "highly contagious" invisible monster.

They aren't locking Doctors/Nurses down because that isn't what this is about at all.  They are locking YOU down.

COVID-19 hasn't closed anything down... the governments have!!!! (so far anyways... perhaps business owners start dying like flies soon, but I'm going to bet not!)

The worst part of all of this is, there is no way to prove that this stuff would have blown over naturally... the governments going to be like "Look, WE stopped this invisible monster!!!!"  When really it was just the seasons changing and flu/cold season passing like it does every year!

But, how do you know that? There are a lot of on-the-ground, medical people contradicting what the leaders are saying.

I think COVID-19 is more deadly than the flu The flu can be a virus but like COVID-19 has not spread to the whole world and so many people have not died The Coronavirus has broken the record of everything. All the countries of the world are suffering in despair and many are living poor lives Italy suffered the most damage In Italy on average about 367 people die every day The number of victims is even higher.

Data from Italy supports the growing evidence from experts that the COVID-19 virus is no more virulent than the flu. As the information spreads governments face an increasing credibility gap between the size of the threat and the severity of their response. Loss of credibility could impact their efforts to tackle the genuine crisis in the financial markets.

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