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Topic: Jamie Dimon's New Rant Shows Banking's Weak Hand. Quotes with Translations (Read 315 times)

legendary
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I disagree. Sure, he doesn't understand bitcoin at all beyond how it can be used for illegal activities, but I think he genuinely doesn't care and thinks it's a joke. You are looking at a guy that has a fund that moves trillions of dollars a day while BTC is still a drop in the sea of money.

He is just looking at it from the perspective of a power drunk guy that can't see any treats to the status quo as realistic.

His comments aren't the comments of someone who doesn't care. He may not completely understand Bitcoin from a technical standpoint but he understands it takes the power out of the big banks hands and puts it in the hands of the people and that is enough for him to be totally against it.  What he also knows is how fragile the international banking system is.  It's based on  derivatives of derivatives.  For every real earned dollar that goes into a bank they put between 100 and 1000 on their books.  So the underlying real asset is only between 0.1 and 1% of whats on their books. They also do the same thing for money that they haven't even received yet but are owed. When people don't make new deposits or pay debt the results to the banking system are exponential as we saw in 2008. Since then they've actually gotten even more aggressive with fiat creation through the fractional reserve system. Plus as big as Chase is, it's still only one of a handful of major banks. The gross domestic product for the whole world is only estimated to be about 75 Trillion for 2017.  So when Dimon talks about moving 16 trillion around per day (5,840 Trillion per year), the vast majority of that is money the banks have created out of thin air based on the fractional reserve system. Even calling it a house of cards is generous. If Bitcoin takes even just a few percent of the global currency market everything collapses.

We can only speculate if he really thinks is a joke or not. At least it's important enough for him that it's under his radar.

The real threat I see is the fact that Jamie Dimon wants to run for president of the FED to then influence whatever POTUS at the time to deploy an huge ban on BTC, not only on exchanges but possible possession of BTC being illegal as well.

If China crashed the market like that with exchanges only, an USA ban on both exchanges and possession could be pretty brutal for the price.

The good news is Bitcoin recovered pretty quickly from an exchange-only Chinese ban, this is a demonstration of power, but like I said, a full blown USA ban could be bad. I wonder how the price would react. Im sure it would recover, the question is, for how long would it be crashing?
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I disagree. Sure, he doesn't understand bitcoin at all beyond how it can be used for illegal activities, but I think he genuinely doesn't care and thinks it's a joke. You are looking at a guy that has a fund that moves trillions of dollars a day while BTC is still a drop in the sea of money.

He is just looking at it from the perspective of a power drunk guy that can't see any treats to the status quo as realistic.

His comments aren't the comments of someone who doesn't care. He may not completely understand Bitcoin from a technical standpoint but he understands it takes the power out of the big banks hands and puts it in the hands of the people and that is enough for him to be totally against it.  What he also knows is how fragile the international banking system is.  It's based on  derivatives of derivatives.  For every real earned dollar that goes into a bank they put between 100 and 1000 on their books.  So the underlying real asset is only between 0.1 and 1% of whats on their books. They also do the same thing for money that they haven't even received yet but are owed. When people don't make new deposits or pay debt the results to the banking system are exponential as we saw in 2008. Since then they've actually gotten even more aggressive with fiat creation through the fractional reserve system. Plus as big as Chase is, it's still only one of a handful of major banks. The gross domestic product for the whole world is only estimated to be about 75 Trillion for 2017.  So when Dimon talks about moving 16 trillion around per day (5,840 Trillion per year), the vast majority of that is money the banks have created out of thin air based on the fractional reserve system. Even calling it a house of cards is generous. If Bitcoin takes even just a few percent of the global currency market everything collapses.
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Lol! This Jamie fellow is really funny. He thinks himself a super power in financial world, but failed to understand that rest of the world doesn't really give a damn about what he says. Also a majority of the bitcoin users don't know about what JPM is. It initially shook the market but it gave a golden opportunity for the investors to buy more bitcoins at a cheaper price. Rest in peace Jamie! We don't care about what you say!
legendary
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I disagree. Sure, he doesn't understand bitcoin at all beyond how it can be used for illegal activities, but I think he genuinely doesn't care and thinks it's a joke. You are looking at a guy that has a fund that moves trillions of dollars a day while BTC is still a drop in the sea of money.

He is just looking at it from the perspective of a power drunk guy that can't see any treats to the status quo as realistic.
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Everybody knows he has an agenda.
Thats what i think too dude  Cheesy, he want to manipulate again the value of Bitcoin and benifit it just like happen last time. Angry
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Finally something that can change the monopoly of rich and the banking system.
Blockchain, started by Bitcoin, is here to stay - unless they find a way to shutdown the internet and corrupt the blockchain which is near impossible.
With so many alts running side by side with Bitcoin, it's nearly impossible to stop it.


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The more that Jamie opens his mouth the more the market is laughing and is ignoring him. Not anymore, Jamie Dimon. You already got your own space the last time and made your influence to the market but this time we got enough of you and your ignorant comments. You seemed can not accept that Bitcoin is here to stay. Indeed, Dimon is very much threatened by Bitcoin that he can't shut himself up.
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People still take this clown seriously? Isn't there a case against him regarding market manipulation or something? Everybody knows he has an agenda. I'm surprised the people in attendance didn't boo him.
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Quiet understandably you don't expect any conventional banker to support the Bitcoin idea. The blockchain technology is really taking away their jobs and making a mockery of the whole banking system. Dimon isn't saying anything strange to the public. Whether he admits it publicly or not, we obviously know that he (and his ilks) is threatened by Bitcoin.

That is correct., but publicly ranting against Bitcoin isn't going to help. Then we have cases registered against him for manipulating the market while JP Morgan was buying bitcoins for its clients. The best strategy for him is to shut up, which he is trying hard to do.
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Quiet understandably you don't expect any conventional banker to support the Bitcoin idea. The blockchain technology is really taking away their jobs and making a mockery of the whole banking system. Dimon isn't saying anything strange to the public. Whether he admits it publicly or not, we obviously know that he (and his ilks) is threatened by Bitcoin.

The first comments he made sounded more antagonistic but this round of comments came off a lot more defensive to me because he knows Bitcoin is making a fool out of him.
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His comments mean nothing for Bitcoin at this point. His rant is pretty much a rehash of what critics are always saying. It's cute that he thinks people are stupid for buying into it, but plenty of people are willing to pay a premium and it's not looking like that will change anytime soon. We're on a bullish run, and if he thinks his words can disrupt that, then I have bad news for him.

I like that he's on board with blockchain technology though. The world needs innovation.
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Quiet understandably you don't expect any conventional banker to support the Bitcoin idea. The blockchain technology is really taking away their jobs and making a mockery of the whole banking system. Dimon isn't saying anything strange to the public. Whether he admits it publicly or not, we obviously know that he (and his ilks) is threatened by Bitcoin.
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Just a day after saying he wasn't talking about Bitcoin anymore Jamie Dimon went on a rant where he called Bitcoin users stupid among other things.  He is looking more and more like a scared animal backed into a corner as even his own daughter invests in Bitcoin. His statements were filled with self-serving contradictions.  Here are some of the quotes from his speech at the Alpha Conference and what I think they really mean.

1. “I could care less about bitcoin.”  

Translation: I'm really threatened by Bitcoin

2. “The blockchain is a technology which is a good technology. We actually use it. . . . God bless the blockchain. Cryptocurrencies, digital currencies, I think are also fine. JPMorgan moves $16 trillion around the world every day, we don’t do it in cash, it’s done digitally. If it can be done digitally with the blockchain, so be it. But it will still be a dollar cryptocurrency.”

Translation: Obviously I know how valuable Bitcoin is.  Otherwise we wouldn't be copying it's technology and trying to steal it's thunder.  I want to divide and conquer by saying blockchain technology and the cryptocurrencies we're involved with are valuable and at the same time poo-poo on Bitcoin.  I don't like Bitcoin because it makes me and my company totally useless in the long run.  My nightmare is for the majority of that 16 Trillion to flow into Bitcoin. We have to protect our global monopoly.

3. “What I have an issue with is a non-fiat cryptocurrency,”

Translation: I feel REALLY REALLY threatened by Bitcoin

4.“I don’t personally understand the value of something that has no actual value. You all can do whatever you want and I don’t care. I could care less what bitcoin trades for, how it trades, why it trades, who trades it. If you’re stupid enough to buy it, you’ll pay the price for it one day. . . . The only value of bitcoin is what the other guy will pay for it.”

Translation:  I have conveniently pushed to the back of my mind that fiat currency has no actual value and is worth even less than 0 because we lend out up to 100 times more than we actually have and it's only value is what the other guy will pay for it.  Now that everybody's on to us, that value is decreasing by the day.  Please don't abandon our system!  We need you!  Please buy our debt based currency! Please!! Our house of cards could collapse at any time and I feel REALLY REALLY REALLY threatened by Bitcoin!!!

I think his comments are actually helping Bitcoin at this point because they reveal his fear of Bitcoin and how weak the argument against Bitcoin/for fiat is. What if anything do you think his comments mean for Bitcoin?
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