Topic: Jammu & Kashmir Special Status (Article 370) Ends!! (Read 592 times)

^ not sure bro why you quoted me?

@JSRAW Political No.1 Factor?
Politics does not matter India,Kashmir & Pakisthani issues likely international economical issue it's my opinion, Because the problem has been going on for a long time but there is no solution, The problem will be solved if some good people work for it likely former Prime Minister "Indira Gandhi, A. P. J. Abdul Kalam etc." Then everything would have been better resolved.

You are probably right. I just had a discussion on this topic with my friend and came to a conclusion that if our country is leaded by a person who has the same thinking as ours then it could really benefit our country a lot.
If the our country has a leader who can potentially realize the importance of newer technologies and implement it in real life situations and it will surely benefit us a lot.
Fighting over religious matters won't do any good but fighting over which technologies to bring would definitely help us a lot.

You are completely mistaken here. Well-educated youths should actively participate in Politics and should be encouraged. If the educated youths don't enter Politics, our country will be lead by some ignorant shitheads who doesn't know what the technology is about and will impose a ban on the use of technology if his fellow shitty party members say so.
Just have a look at our current political leaders, apart from a few most are dumb and knows shit about technology. I believe you might have heard of Sellur K Raju, a minister of Tamilnadu who floated Rs.10 lakh worth thermocol sheets in Vaigai reservoir to prevent loss of water due to evaporation in 2017 (If I had that money I would have bought ~2 bitcoins) . This became a worldwide trend. This is what happens with youths doesn't enter Politics. Youths are meant to revolutionize the future Indian Politics.

It has been like you described since ages, it is just getting worse day by day. Politicians are dominating the youths and probably leading them in a wrong direction.
Politics in not for the youths I believe. The base of a generation is established by the youths of that particular generation. The youths of the current generation are well educated.
According to me, they should focus on more important things like bringing newer technologies in their countries, representing their country for various accomplishments in various industries hence making the country proud.
I don't understand why youths are wasting their time indulging themselves into politics. I do understand it is us that have to bring the change but I think we have to find a better way of doing it.

The Union or India came into existence after the independence.

However, this part of the land was always colloquially called India / Bharat for a long time before that. There was no single state of India, true.

But this was a collection of different regions with an ever-shifting / undefined border.

Aryavarta, Brahmavarta, Panchala, Braharishi Desha, Madhya Desha etc were all regions and within them there were many kingdoms.

Now I am no scripture expert and know these by heart but someone with the proper knowledge would be able to corroborate this.

Manav Dhramshastra in Sanskrit was quite possibly the first coded book of laws similar to the modern constitution. So you see the concept of India was always there.

The britts just came here and tagged all of us 'idies' and Indians and the land "India"

Hindustan however was a later construct when the muslims started invading.



Have to disagree here, BJP as a government never condones or says this. RSS does. BJP runs the government. RSS does not. However even a kid knows the connections between BJP and RSS.

Hindi should be an official language in places where Hindi is spoken, and regional languages should be given more preference.

But from an administrative point of view, I understand why so many people are so eager to push the one language one nation theory, stems from the us vs them crap. Hindi vs urdu. Hindi vs rest of the world.

The fact is, India has never been the land of homogeneity - it never will be.

^ Sweet and Not surprise at all.

Followers of Hussein are one of the most tolerant sects of Islam (along with Ahamidyya) and good amount of them are more patriot than average Indians like you and me. Sadly Shia community is in the minority all over the world and in our nation as well. So no political party cares about them much.

Yes you are right his full name is wahid Ali you can follow him on his Twitter account and yes he is written diwane ishqiya. https://twitter.com/wahidaliwahid/status/1158276787131936769?s=19

The poems of Awadhi language poet Wahid Ali 'Wahid' are an example of national goodwill.  The special thing of Wahid is that he writes poetry by worshiping Ali's prayer and worship of Bajrang Bali in a sutra. I would like to mentioned his comment on killing innocent people on the name "zihad":- 'What IS (Islamic States) is doing cannot be seen in any way related to Islam.  Even in the month of Ramadan, one who can commit such cruelty cannot be a Muslim.
आज हमारा दीन-धरम, ईमान बहुत शर्मिंदा है। इस्लाम बहुत शर्मिंदा है, इन्सान बहुत शर्मिंदा है उस ढाका की एक गली में, रोता हुआ शैतान मिला, बोला वाहिद लिख देना, शैतान बहुत शर्मिंदा है।'  written by wahid Ali.

@Bitlover : What's his full name? Would Like to know more about his work. I follow hindi-urdu poetry and sanskrit(text)  here and there. His name rings a bell but can't remember. He must be contemporary poet.

@erikalui : we can do that here. You can try as well.

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@Bitlover : wahid ali? Who wrote - dewane ishqiya?

ये वाहिद का शेर है। which is got famous when famous poet Dr. kumar vishvas mentioned this in his tweet https://twitter.com/DrKumarVishwas/status/1158255403068641280?s=19
You can find this in his latest interview too.... https://youtu.be/arTF7ZB9gTs

Oh shoot!!!

Was using phone and messed it up with the pages

Ohh no,you are in wrong place bro.

They do,if you don't know about it then go and vist south India where is the only place people opposed Hindi as their main language even second language.

Can you show me anything even remotely close to the government saying that we will have one religion, one language?? If not then you may shut up.

^Religion was the trump card for the ruling party that made them win just like what US President did and won.

Answer for the first portion can be found on the second one you mentioned.So you really agree that India is a country created by many empires over centuries but now Ruling part says one country one religion one language and one aadhar card.So disguising.

It was a mob which worshiped cows and felt wronged by the way the other community treated the beliefs of the majority community. We have worked our ways of living to accommodate the religious beliefs of every minority that has walked these lands be it the Muslims, Parsis, Christians, Buddhists and others. It is the only country where you would find such a plethora of minority flourishing in complete harmony and it is only because of our beliefs taught in our religion. All we demand is for people of the minority to respect our beliefs and follow the laws of the land. And when justice is denied to these people for a very long time, they take up arms to quell the thirst for justice. I don't agree for vigilantism but when justice is denied to people for a very long time they are bound to take arms. Our freedom fighters where once mobs of vigils who took up arms to give themselves justice. History judges them to be heros because they emerged as victors. Remember that history is always written by those who emerge victorious.

You can travel from India in any direction upto 4000 kms and you would not find a single country where minorities have been treated with respect. People have been persecuted and killed just because of their religious beliefs. You should be thankful and appreciative of the fact that you have been born in a country where a Hindu majority is so accepting of the minority.


Looks like you didn't study history. Ever heard of the Mauryas, Guptas, Kushans, Marathas, Cholas, Harsha empire? The united territory spread from the modern day Kabul (Afganistan) to the Southern coastlines. The Cholas even ruled the Indonesia and other South east countries. Hinduism was main religion in Indonesia in history. The concept of a nation is not born, rather it is an idea that brings people of similar beliefs, challenges and goals together. It is not as if the concept of Bharat was born 1947. India was an advanced civilization that was at a stage of decay because of the infighting between the local people (kings and chieftians) because of the corruption of the idea of society. All that was needed was a strategic player to unite them and this is what had happened at a very later stage of Aurangzeb rule before the Britishers took over. The Marathas united the entire India under a single flag of Hindu consciousness and controlled the majority of India. Though they didnt call it India but we were still a single unit. So the concept of a untied heartland is not something that is new.

Read it again,"India was born after british started to rule" meant it happened on 18th century and they combination of 250 districts all over India and they named it as British India.

^Nobody requested the kings of J&K while they themselves asked India for help when Pakistan wanted to capture it and J&K was a princely state already under the British. Read this

India was already a country before the British rule and it was just made independent in 1947. It was not born in 1947 while Pakistan was born on that day.

^ Who killed the people when they got beaf meat at their home?

Don't confuse yourself with India and Hinduism,Hindu religion is one of the most ancient religion but India country born only after British starts to rule.

So you know there were some countries in India never occupied by English? They were joined into India after India got independence in 1947 when leaders requested the kings of that independent countries!

Who told you this? Your fantasy does not become a fact!! Tell me in facts. What has the Modi government done so far that shows that they don't want to help the Muslims. When the govt launched the Ujwala scheme, the poor (irrespective of whether they are Hindus or Muslims) get the intended benefit. When people get Mudra loans to attain self employment the criteria for getting loans is not being a Hindu or Muslim.

You may believe something to be true but it does not make it correct.


It seems you have little regards for history. Bharat is an idea and it was not born in 1947 but it is a very ancient idea that is 4000 years old. People who lived below the Indus where found to live in a particular way where they bonded with the nature and worshiped elements from nature. They had a sophisticated way to society, governance and their education system and technological powers where the best in the world. The geographical region extended from the present day Kabul to the ends of Himalayan ranges in the North East. The region was often called Hind and the inhabitants Hindistani. Their way of living slowly came to be known as Hinduism. So it is not that the idea of a united bharat was born in 1947. Long ago, we were a united region under various monarchs from the Guptas, Mauryas and many more.

Coming to the accession of J&K into India. When J&K agreed to accede to India they got a special status but it was always meant to be a temporary setting and not a permanent one. Also, you may cry as much as you want to but the course correction has been done. Crib as much as you want to but J&K is now constitutionally amalgamated into the mainstream. It does not matter what you think about the move. Live with it as we did for the past 70 years with the Article 370.

For your information India is nit a single country,it is a combination of thousands of small Nations but after Independence India want to stay united like how English ruled them so they made promise to jammu and Kashmir for being attached to India.Now who broke the promise? If India can't able to spend money for them then just make them into separate country.

Let them complain. India is currently sitting at a position where we can take our stand and the world will agree with us. History is always written by the winning side and it won't matter if a couple of nations cry their heart out on this matter. We have formally integrated Kashmir valley into Bharat and no power in the world can stop us from taking this decision. I don't want to get into the geopolitics behind this (would be quite long) but this is a master stroke at the right time.


Yeah, it does not. But I have learned this new art from you.


People can believe what they want to. But the fact remains that the Central government gave an average of Rs. 14,000 per kashmiri from the Central fund pool when compared to the national average of almost Rs. 3000 in other states. And all this funded by the tax payers money from other states. Despite the massive amount of money being poured in by India, J&K continued to have a different constitution, flag and blackmailed India with the separation song every now and then. We have corrected an error made in the history.



India is the biggest exporter in beef (buffalo meat) and not cow meat. Also, states have their own right to accommodate the regional differences in terms of palate and beliefs. UP, where people worship cow as an integral part of the ecosystem has their own laws when compared to Manipur where people don't worship cows. You have to understand the reason why cows are such an integral part in the Hindi heartland. About 100-150 years back, in the village ecosystem the cow was a part of the family and life in the village was centered around them. Milk derived from them was used to feed kids, their dung was used as fuel and their urine as disinfectant (medicinal). There is nothing wrong in wanting to out-rightly ban cow slaughter and people feel pained when they see cows being illegally smuggled and slaughtered to run these butcher shops.

As per your cribbing on South India. I believe you don't have much idea about the political scenario in India. BJP as a party had not base in the Southern states. Yet, they have breached the boundaries and started setting up their organization. Karnataka is ruled by BJP and a landslide was achieved in 2019 Lok Sabha. Kerala is a UDF vs LDF, TN is DMK vs AIDMK courtesy the Dravida movement. BJP has registered a significant vote share in Telangana (won 5 LS seats) and a growing presence in TN and Kerala. And what do you mean by taking their jobs? Are you crying about North Indians taking their jobs then it is simply a case of better skilled manpower.

Just the direct question when Modi's government opposed Muslims on many places then why they want the betterment on Jammu and Kashmir Muslims?

This nothing related to racism, you are just stirring the drama. This is the question of an country's overall natural resources and development. I see you are a narrow minded person here !

But Modi's government has got the intention to help Muslim? If yes then why he is opposing the Muslim everywhere but got kindness towards J&K muslims only?

I think you should get known about the situation in J&K, every week there are stone pelting and arguments happening, even Indian Army is not safe there. If you see clearly this a very great achievement for India and specifically J&K as more people could use the beauty India has got.

BTW, @saraschoudhary this is nothing related to crypto !

I want to lecture you in details about J&K history, but I am in a very happy place right now because of Gov's move, so I am skipping everything. And you know everything already

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BTW Buddhist, Shias, Sufis, Ahmadi, Gujjar, Bakerwals, Paharis, Dogras, Sikhs say fuck you to everyone.

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OP sorry i had only one s-merit left , wish can give you more on this post.

@Totscha @nutildah Thanks brothers

This is just to keep the Hindu people under their control,if they think cow as God then why country India is first on exporting beef meat.They see everything as business but involving religion to keep the people calm.

Now only South India opposing Modi government so we may see lot of anger on south Indian people in the coming months by imposing useless laws and taking away their jobs.

India is slowly becoming a country divided by religion. Since the beginning of the Modi government's term, we are seeing increasing numbers of mob lynching cases against a particular religious community. "Jai Shree Ram" has now become a political agenda and jobless youths are chanting it like a mantra. India's base is built on tolerance and not on religion. The current incident of J&k, takes us few steps forward to make India a Hindu country where Cow urine will be used as medicine and cow dung will be used as source of energy. The prime accused of terrorist attacks are being made ministers for their own safeguard. Be afraid India, be very very afraid!

I acknowledge your baseless connection with cryptos in this case!  

But people saying reason behind on cancelling this act is not to support Jammu and Kashmir People,Modi government actually want to suppress Muslim religion in India so they don't like special act to them.

I strongly belive that this wil help to decrease terrorism in J & K. They definatly deserve our government facilities.

Yes definitely,  5 August become the history of India regarding article 370. I think modi government doing well and it will the big decision against Pakistan...

This actually belongs to off-topic because crypto can't help in a matter like this no matter how you spin the yarn.

Blockchain as a concept is pretty old. E-currencies was not spawned by Bitcoin. Look up the history.

Was wodering what it has to do with cryptocurrency till I read the last line lol

BTW, saw Pakistani actors complaining about this decision.

LoL. Looks like legendster irked a lot of members here.

Saw this news as breaking news on most of the channels and also lot of opposition for this decision from opposition parties but people say it is good for the common people on that state since government's penal code will apply to them from now on so it will save terrorism further.

The entire scenario can be beautifully summarized by these lines:

द्वन्द कहा तक पाला जाये,

युध्द कहा तक टाला जाये…

तू हैं वंशज महाराणा का,

फेंक जहाँ तक भाला जाये।

दोनों तरफ लिखा हो भारत,

सिक्का वही उछाला जाए...

मन्दिर में एक दीप जले तो,

मस्जिद तलक उजाला जाये||


P.S. Not my poem. Could not find the original author. Will link the poet, once I get the official author.

The President of India has signed an executive order which outlines these 4 laws which have come into effect at once.

• Abrogation of Article 370: This removes the special status granted to the state of J&K which allowed them to have a separate constitution and decision-making rights for all matters barring defence, communications and foreign affairs.
• Bifurcation of Ladakh from J&K: The Leh and Ladakh region will be carved out out of the Jammu and Kashmir region and separate constitutional status will be granted to the region of Leh and Ladakh.
• Ladakh being a Union territory: Ladakh will now be a Union territory that will not have an assembly. It will be governed by the Central government which will exercise the duties of the state by appointing a lieutenant governor.
• J&K converted to a Union territory: J&K will also be converted into a state but they will continue to have their Legislative assembly and the council of ministers. The arrangement will be quite similar to what we have in Delhi and some of the other UTs. The council of ministers will be primarily responsible for the welfare of the state by taking into the confidence of the Lieutenant governor.

Could crypto have helped us achieve this much earlier? What if Bitcoin was there in 90's? Was it possible to achieve the removal of Article 370 by using crypto? (Justifying the thread on the main board by useless a baseless connection with cryptocurrency)