Topic: jerry0 case (Read 1394 times)

I need someone to create PURGE script in bitcointalk forum, instead of Ignore option.

LOL. You said that in jest (I think), but it's a damn good idea--there are many instances I can think of where it'd be useful to just wipe away all of certain members' posts and threads.

Regarding jerry0, I'm not sure what to think about whatever it is he's up to right now. I've never thought he's posting just to post, as so many members here do. He's always struck me as someone who's way more paranoid about crypto security than most. There's a lot to be concerned about to be sure, but even when things are explained to him logically and in great detail he still doesn't seem satisfied with the answers. What can you do about someone like that?

If he's posting all of these things in good faith....just hit the ignore button if you think it's too much.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on May 07, 2023, 04:45:40 PM

He's a spammer. No excuse is going to help.

If you scan Jerry's posts, these words have high repetition (Nano, wallet, hardware wallet, ledger) and these are technical terms of bitcoin.
Who knows if Jerry has a sickness called ¿? (Ability to forget easily, or seasonal memory wipe).
Had he by chance mentioned anywhere that he has ill health?

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Why would any spammer do that?

I can only guess, but my guess is he just wants attention.

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The word "Ledger" occurs 91 times in his topic titles. This page also shows many topics were opened twice in a row, sometimes on different boards, sometimes on the same board.

He must be a big Ledger fan boy Cool

I would like to actually see any proof or picture of his ledger wallets, if I understand correctly he claims to own two of them now.
Another claim that he is US citizen, I seriously doubt that based on his previous post, and I don't care if is or not, but it makes me doubt anything he writes.

He's a spammer. No excuse is going to help.

I was thinking the same thing before, but then he started sending messages to other members asking them the same questions.
Why would any spammer do that?

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Quote from: Lucius on May 07, 2023, 10:44:31 AM

I received a personal message from jerry0 in which he wrote something that might explain his situation

I have a hard time believing that someone with 3500 posts has never checked his profile where he can find his post history.
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I agree! The explanation does not really make much sense. There have been some instances where he has posted identical content in multiple topics, sometimes only a few minutes apart. This suggests that he is copying and pasting the text instead of typing it out. And sometimes he even tweaks the subject title slightly, which shows that he is doing it on purpose. On top of that, he keeps asking the same question in the same thread even after getting answers from multiple people.

Quote from: Lucius on May 07, 2023, 10:44:31 AM

He's a spammer. No excuse is going to help.

Either that or he has a mental health condition that is causing this behavior.

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I received a personal message from jerry0 in which he wrote something that might explain his situation

I have a hard time believing that someone with 3500 posts has never checked his profile where he can find his post history.

Maybe he can make jerry0's topics his browser Home Page, he'll never have to ask a question again!
The word "Ledger" occurs 91 times in his topic titles. This page also shows many topics were opened twice in a row, sometimes on different boards, sometimes on the same board. Allow me to copy some of the titles he created:

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Sell All Altcoins For Bitcoin?
Sell All Altcoins For Bitcoin?
Nano Historical Data Question Coinmarketcap
Beancash Wallet No Active Connections?
Beancash Wallet No Active Connections?
Vostok Price?
Sending BTC from Gambling Site to Binance?
Sending BTC from Gambling Site to Binance?
Sent Altcoin To Testnet Address, Can I Recover My Coins?
Sent Altcoin To Testnet Address, Can I Recover My Coins?
Bittrex Withdraw Completed But Not in Wallet?
Bittrex Withdraw Completed But Not in Wallet?
Is Waves the Most Overrated Altcoin?
Waves Keeper Question
Nano Ledger S vs Electrum Receive Address Number?
Nano Ledger S Receive Bitcoin Address Question?

He's a spammer. No excuse is going to help.

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I received a personal message from jerry0 in which he wrote something that might explain his situation, so although it is not appropriate to publish the content of such messages, it might be better for everyone to see his explanation. I tried to explain to him how he can get to his old topics/posts, and now it remains to be seen whether this will help him not to repeat the same questions over and over again.

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Hey there. Saw you post replies to my threads. Yes i am aware i might post new threads that wast posted months or years ago. The reason is because i either forgot i post that question, or i know i posted that type of question but can't find it on google or on search forum. That is why.

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Oh boy, jerry0 is back again and he created bunch on new recycled topics in Hardware wallet section.

Holy crap! I have been reading and posting in some other boards in the last couple of days and completely missed the most recent jerry0 tsunami. So he has awaken after his winter sleep.

Let me guess. I am not home now. I am in Mexico but my Ledger is in the USA. I won't have it in the next weeks and now I am wondering if a fake update can steal my coins. How does everyone update their Ledger nowadays, do you just click on the 'update now' button? What if it downloads a virus?
Is it better to use a longer or shorter USB cable with Ledger Nano?
If I uninstall an app on my Ledger, will hackers see it and take all my bitcoin?

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Quote from: dkbit98 on May 04, 2023, 12:19:06 PM

Oh boy, jerry0 is back again and he created bunch on new recycled topics in Hardware wallet section.
If I counted correctly there are 12 of his topic that are floating on top, and he created bunch of silly questions again.
Most of his ''questions'' are related with ledger, but I can't even read the content and I don't think this is normal at all... maybe someone forgot to take his pills Roll Eyes

I need someone to create PURGE script in bitcointalk forum, instead of Ignore option.

If he was smart, he would put those dreadful ideas into two or three sensible topics and make his life more useful rather than using the forum like Facebook where he can post whatever comes to mind as a topic.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on May 04, 2023, 12:26:16 AM

He caught me too off guard for short time, but no more. He has to learn to at least re-read the answers he has already got.
Mea culpa, you were right.

First I though he was a spammer, now I think maybe he has some medical condition and can't remember what was said before.

To me, it does not appear to be a medical ailment; he is simply a Bad Lair, and it is usual for lairs to repeat themselves since they quickly forget what they said earlier.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on May 04, 2023, 12:26:16 AM

~snip

Wow, you already raised this topic for discussion. Great. And then I was already thinking about doing the same, but limited myself to only adding jerry0 to the ignore list. But the problem is that his topics are still displayed among the rest, albeit in gray. Seeing these meaningless topics annoys me a little and I want to ask if it is possible to somehow remove this? Or will I have to endure this until jerry0 passes the stage of inactivity again?

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Damn, now I tend to think that he isn't human but some not very well working AI. He don't just make simple things complicated but also it seems that he forget what he already done and repeats same questions again and again. And from his posts it seems that he is preparing to buy new hardware wallet few times a year.
If he is such kind of person in real life, same like on Bitcointalk, I'm trying to imagine how difficult task for him to go to shop and buy loaf of bread or other daily food...

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He caught me too off guard for short time, but no more. He has to learn to at least re-read the answers he has already got.
Mea culpa, you were right.

First I though he was a spammer, now I think maybe he has some medical condition and can't remember what was said before.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on May 04, 2023, 12:26:16 AM

give it a little time, it shall pass.

Yeah I know, he has waves of activity and inactivity, but I would use this new purge script for other things as well.
Sometimes it's not enough to just semi-hide certain member or topic, I want to remove them from my field of vision Cool

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I'd like to report these threads, but simply saying "Spam" probably rejected by moderator while finding older similar thread as reason to report his thread would take too much time.

I don't think this is worth reporting at all, and this is still better them him sending PM's to everyone with the same questions Grin

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Oh boy, jerry0 is back again and he created bunch on new recycled topics in Hardware wallet section.

Yeah. He's in trouble again and asking again his questions.
He caught me too off guard for short time, but no more. He has to learn to at least re-read the answers he has already got.
Mea culpa, you were right.

Quote from: TryNinja on October 11, 2022, 08:41:36 PM

I need someone to create PURGE script in bitcointalk forum, instead of Ignore option.

give it a little time, it shall pass.

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Oh boy, jerry0 is back again and he created bunch on new recycled topics in Hardware wallet section.
If I counted correctly there are 12 of his topic that are floating on top, and he created bunch of silly questions again.
Most of his ''questions'' are related with ledger, but I can't even read the content and I don't think this is normal at all... maybe someone forgot to take his pills Roll Eyes

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=261.0

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Just noticed I got another DM from him a few days ago, which I ended up missing. It has 2200+ characters. Cheesy

If he's just farming posts, idk why he keeps DM'ing me like he used to do before.

He PM-ed me too during the week-end.
I've answered, also in PM, trying to help a little. This way I won't be accused of shitposting or growing my post count or whatever, and still helping out a guy too terrified to do any move without triple checking everything (basically in a way all newbies should do, even though he should no longer be a newbie anymore).

I find it sad that we're discussing here his situation by making more posts than he may need as answers lately. At least this is how I feel.

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Just noticed I got another DM from him a few days ago, which I ended up missing. It has 2200+ characters. Cheesy

If he's just farming posts, idk why he keeps DM'ing me like he used to do before.

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Hahahaha.... That's becoming very hilarious, anyways ..how the hell has he got some merits? Airdropped?
Being a sub standard, undervalued troll is what any reasonable OP wouldn't wanna bear as a tag. Seems this dude isn't even rightly bothered by whatever decision or action that might be taken against him; if he makes his usual tautology and no one speaks to him, not even another shitty-head poster like himself then, prolly he might as well, learn to rest.

The forum isn't for everyone; that's why alot have newbie accounts for a couple of years or two but, can't even edify the easiest means to get over it. Talk more of someone that intentionally creates a replica of the same insane bull-shit that he made earlier on.
I'm wondering what that will be called? Cus it's not plagiarism; so what? 😄

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Quote from: DaveF on October 02, 2022, 01:58:29 PM

This has been discussed on and off a few times. How someone with a few higher raking accounts could create a new user and ask a question that and start a conversation with 2 or 3 other users that are are all just them talking to themselves.

Oh man, that's nothing new at all--I remember busting a number of accounts a few years ago for doing just that. They all had similar usernames and were all posting in the same threads, and the example I'm thinking of is probably just one of many alt rings this forum has had.

I understand wanting to ignore jerry0, but he's never struck me as someone who's trying to do anything malicious, and I think I said that earlier in this thread. He just seems paranoid, and if that's indeed true then I know where he's coming from. He just happens to be paranoid enough and persistent enough in asking questions that he became annoying in the HW wallet section--at least, that's how I see it.

Not like I could give him much advice anyway, but I'll follow dkbit98's advice and not feed into his nonstop queries.

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Here we go again Roll Eyes

@ETFbitcoin @bitmover @joniboini @Husires and all others I didn't mention, please stop replying to all the topics and posts made by this member jerry0.
This guys repeats the same questions all the time, and you are only supporting his crazyness with your answers.
I don't want to explain why this is bad for everyone in forum, and I think you can find better ways to write your posts.
Thanks for understanding, and if you can please ignore member jerry0.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

If you want to shitpost and your manager allows low-quality replies, then you can shitpost all over this forum as there are hundreds of topics, you don't have to waste one post in order to create a topic that is on the same level as a hundred others.
Besides, as I pointed in my previous message with the screenshot of my conversations with him, he wasted days in which he could make the full quota for three accounts just asking me over PM on everything from the first buy of a used laptop to what problems might be with malware in a power bank, then if a jack can be tempered because he read this and that and, whatever!!!!

I don't doubt that there are some who are doing this, especially when some campaign requires posts in a certain section and they need their non-moderated topics there but the technical discussion section is just not suited for that, plus it's one of the sections where useless post do get deleted a lot of times.

Quote from: Stalker22 on October 02, 2022, 06:57:53 AM

I do not think that is such a crazy idea. Who knows? He might even have a few alt accounts of his own that he uses to answer his own questions. It is not like we haven't seen even stranger things on this forum. If there was incentive in the form of profit to be gained, then I think it is not such a crazy idea to think that someone might take advantage of it.

Yup, that tactic has been used but it wasn't about just post count but merit harvesting an this can be easily traced.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 03, 2022, 02:58:26 AM

Let me be the first to deny being a customer Tongue

Now we finally know who is behind the jerry0 account, just admit it.
jerry0
LoyceV
+ the 'j' kind of looks like the 'y'. The evidence is clear.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 03, 2022, 02:58:26 AM

It takes a while to realize someone isn't a genuine user.

True. We remember the case of the person who got caught with multiple accounts in the CM campaign a few years back. But to me, jerry0 looks like a frightened individual who questions every decision he makes out of fear of making a mistake.
Those posts and threads he makes could be summarized in 2 or 3 sentences, but instead we get to see: I usually do this, but now I am here, last week I was on my computer, some people say this, but other people say this, it's now been 2 months since I updated, is it still safe to do that, what about if I click on this will that cause, can I get hacked if...

Doubt, fear, uncertainty, lack of basic knowledge.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 03, 2022, 02:45:18 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

In that case, everyone who replied to him throughout the years is a possible customer or an alt account.

Let me be the first to deny being a customer Tongue

I don't think he's providing some spam-service though. Let's face it: some people do things for reasons we can't possibly understand, and some of them found this forum.

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people who reply to him are members of top campaigns.

It takes a while to realize someone isn't a genuine user.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

In that case, everyone who replied to him throughout the years is a possible customer or an alt account.
There are surely easier ways to do that than with his storytelling, sharing of fears, doubts, and lack of understanding. Most of his posts are about Ledger hardware wallets and people who reply to him are members of top campaigns.

If the ultimate goal was to cheat and write more posts to earn more from signature campaigns, wouldn't it be more profitable for the cheater to get his alt accounts in BTC paying campaigns than to increase his post count by 2 or 3 posts? Not only that, but jerry wakes up every couple of weeks/months, makes a few posts, and goes back into hiding until the next time. There isn't much post increasing activity there if you ask me. If he posted more regularly, it would look more suspicious. However, no possibility for cheating can be ruled out.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

While it has occurred to me in the past that this kind of shenanigans may be happening, I'd be expecting somebody would do this for himself (for another account of himself), not as service. But yep, never say never.
However, I'd expect such people be lazy, hence won't make such long, and complicated posts many don't even know what's being asked and how to answer. Plus, there are other, more generic topics (like the never old QC) they can pull, not such specific, mostly Ledger related topics.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I am sure there are many members who do this: create alt accounts, ask a question from one account then answer from another (usually the main account) either to boost his posts count or to get merit points.
But I don't think this is the case here. Firstly because most of his questions require some technical knowledge to answer and those who post in his threads are smart guys and high quality posters. They don't need to cheat to meet the post quota.
Secondly, I once posted in a thread about how to verify Electrum wallet and few weeks later, I received like 8 PMs in less than twelve hours from him asking me to verify his wallet.
I don't think someone who wants to spam or cheat his sig campaign with fake conversations would do that!

same thought as LTU_btc, was typing and didn't see his reply.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

I have a bit crazy idea, but the cheaters are getting more and more advanced these days.

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

Idea isn't crazy, but I don't think that's such case. It looks a bit too much complicated. I believe that services for signature campaigns exists, but for such things they usually use newbie accounts and ask generic questions which were already asked thousands times. That's easy money for sig spammers who can answer such threads themselves from their main accounts without putting much effort.
While @jerry0 questions is much more complicated. It requires some effort and knowledge to answer it, I doubt that it would be used to reach weekly quota.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on October 02, 2022, 06:57:53 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

I have a bit crazy idea, but the cheaters are getting more and more advanced these days.

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

I do not think that is such a crazy idea. Who knows? He might even have a few alt accounts of his own that he uses to answer his own questions. It is not like we haven't seen even stranger things on this forum. If there was incentive in the form of profit to be gained, then I think it is not such a crazy idea to think that someone might take advantage of it. I mean, you don't even have to be a programmer to create bots and scripts that can answer questions automatically. There are programs out there that allow people with little technical knowledge to do so.

I do not think that there is any evidence to support this theory, but if it were true it would certainly explain some things.

This has been discussed on and off a few times. How someone with a few higher raking accounts could create a new user and ask a question that and start a conversation with 2 or 3 other users that are are all just them talking to themselves. If you prep it in advance, it's all just cut and past from a word document into the forum. You could probably somewhat easily get a couple of dozen posts a week just by doing that.

It's a bit more work then just the spam posting people but not a lot.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

I have a bit crazy idea, but the cheaters are getting more and more advanced these days.

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

I do not think that is such a crazy idea. Who knows? He might even have a few alt accounts of his own that he uses to answer his own questions. It is not like we haven't seen even stranger things on this forum. If there was incentive in the form of profit to be gained, then I think it is not such a crazy idea to think that someone might take advantage of it. I mean, you don't even have to be a programmer to create bots and scripts that can answer questions automatically. There are programs out there that allow people with little technical knowledge to do so.

I do not think that there is any evidence to support this theory, but if it were true it would certainly explain some things.

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I have a bit crazy idea, but the cheaters are getting more and more advanced these days.

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

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I stopped to reply his posts long time ago. I'm simply become lazy to do it. Just look how his posts looks. Not that he would explain his issue in few sentences, no, he have to write wall of text. He seems to be that kind of person who makes simple things complicated.
Wouldn't call him troll and he is far from worst kind of users on Bitcointalk. But don't feed troll simply doesn't works here. In past there was some aggresive trolls and they always were getting much attention, no matter what was said about them. Though, I'm not sure that's the case, I still partially believe that he genuinely need help, but I'm not going to respond to his posts.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 24, 2022, 11:43:01 AM

You don't need to be rocket scientist to see what is happening with him, and by answering him all the time people are just feeding the troll.
I understand when people answer him if they don't know the whole story, but when I saw a bunch of new topics created by him I had to react somehow.

As I said, I have a feeling he's not a troll. If I would have been thinking he's a troll, he would have been on my ignore list, I would have not been answering him.
For example, one of his latest questions is not even that bad.

Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2022, 05:04:48 AM

That's cute, but naive Tongue

It feels like doing the same work again.

I would clearly not do that every year Wink

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 24, 2022, 02:45:06 AM

I know that he tends to ask same questions over and over again. Still, I see him as a person needing help, not a malicious spammer. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.

You don't need to be rocket scientist to see what is happening with him, and by answering him all the time people are just feeding the troll.
I understand when people answer him if they don't know the whole story, but when I saw a bunch of new topics created by him I had to react somehow.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 24, 2022, 02:45:06 AM

LE: I've made my mind. Since I don't want unnecessary drama, this guy will go for now to my ignore list. Happy?

Sure, I never wanted any drama and I asked nicely Wink

Anyone can do whatever they want in forum but people who continue to reply jerry0 are going to be in my ignore list in future.

Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2022, 04:23:32 AM

I added him to my ignore list more than a year ago, after that he kept asking the same questions about claiming Forkcoins, which I eventually gave up answering. I'm not sure if he's just very insecure and needs continuous confirmation before doing something, but I can't be bothered anymore.

He is also in my ignore list also, but from time to time I notice new topics created by him all over the forum.
I am 100% sure most of his questions are fake, he claims to be American but he can't even speak normal english language so it's obvious he is a liar.

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I have tried to help the guy on numerous occasions but it's like trying to go through a brick wall. It's impossible to do. I haven't been in the hardware wallet sub in the last few days so I missed his most recent exploits. After a quick look, I can see it's about passphrases, adding accounts, using Ledger Live on a new computer and stuff covered many times in the past.

I don't understand the motives because he is not in a signature campaign. He never struck me as being a spammer in that sense. I always felt like he was someone completely unsecure about anything he does with possible some mental condition. Not trying to hurt the guy with my words. But if you have to ask the same things over and over again for years, it doesn't look like you are going to learn anything.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 23, 2022, 09:20:15 AM

I obviously can't and won't stop anyone to play this circus game with him for the sake of writing few more posts in signature campaigns, but this is getting really silly.

There was a time I usually make over 50 to 75 posts weekly until few months ago that I have decreased it to 30 to 35. My signature campaign only request for 25 posts weekly.

I do not yet have anyone on my ignore list, but I think dkbit98 is right about this. Jerry0 do not just only like asking many question, he also like voluminous questions and creating question topics often. He created 3 topics recently within 1 hour, I only saw one which I think I provided answer to, but then saw two more different topics from him again which I decided not not to read because I saw it as spamming, except my reply here which I used to against his way of creating voluminous question topics within short time and how he is posting consecutively as it is against one of the rules of this forum. I agree with dkbit98 about this, best to ignore jerry0. Easy for me to even ignore him without putting him on my ignore list.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 24, 2022, 04:32:27 AM

I had an idea of cleaning my ignore list at Christmas and give a second chance (and probably filling the ignore list back during the year). I may or may not do that, depending on my mood at Christmas time.

That's cute, but naive Tongue

It feels like doing the same work again.

In the rare occasion that I see a good post from someone on my Ignore list quoted, I'll consider unignoring them.

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2022, 04:23:32 AM

I added him to my ignore list more than a year ago, after that he kept asking the same questions about claiming Forkcoins, which I eventually gave up answering. I'm not sure if he's just very insecure and needs continuous confirmation before doing something, but I can't be bothered anymore.

He was in and out of my ignore list, he seems to spam less lately, or maybe I've just missed/skipped more of his topics.
As I said, he's now in my ignore list. But I had an idea of cleaning my ignore list at Christmas and give a second chance (and probably filling the ignore list back during the year). I may or may not do that, depending on my mood at Christmas time.

Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2022, 04:23:32 AM

If you ask the same question over and over again, the kind of help you need can't be found on a Bitcoin forum.

With no intention to offend anyone, this looks like a very valid point.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 24, 2022, 02:45:06 AM

I know that he tends to ask same questions over and over again. Still, I see him as a person needing help, not a malicious spammer.

If you ask the same question over and over again, the kind of help you need can't be found on a Bitcoin forum.

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this guy will go for now to my ignore list.

I added him to my ignore list more than a year ago, after that he kept asking the same questions about claiming Forkcoins, which I eventually gave up answering. I'm not sure if he's just very insecure and needs continuous confirmation before doing something, but I can't be bothered anymore.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 23, 2022, 09:20:15 AM

Member jerry0 is back again with another round of his famous rinse & repeat topic questions.
I am asking all members @NeuroticFish @Charles-Tim @jackg and all others to please stop answering to his questions and feeding this spammer.
Look at his post history with feedback he received and you will understand why I am saying this.
I obviously can't and won't stop anyone to play this circus game with him for the sake of writing few more posts in signature campaigns, but this is getting really silly.

I know that he tends to ask same questions over and over again. Still, I see him as a person needing help, not a malicious spammer. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
And considering this, while I am advocating people ask first, no matter what, instead of making mistakes, not answering him would mean double standards.
Still, I will be considering your request (and instead of full explanation I could for example just link another similar topic, or put him on ignore).

And about "for the sake of writing few more posts in signature campaigns", I find this unfair since if you look at my post history I mostly post more than the max paid by the campaign and 1-2 posts every now and then to jerry0 will not change anything.

LE: I've made my mind. Since I don't want unnecessary drama, this guy will go for now to my ignore list. Happy?

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 23, 2022, 09:20:15 AM

Member jerry0 is back again with another round of his famous rinse & repeat topic questions.

I can't tell from his behavior if he is just a spammer, a troll, or a mentally ill individual, but something is clearly wrong with him. I will review his posts and report anything that needs to be reported to the moderators, but unfortunately, our forum doesn't have effective measures against such members, so it's probably best to ignore them.

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Member jerry0 is back again with another round of his famous rinse & repeat topic questions.
I am asking all members @NeuroticFish @Charles-Tim @jackg and all others to please stop answering to his questions and feeding this spammer.
Look at his post history with feedback he received and you will understand why I am saying this.
I obviously can't and won't stop anyone to play this circus game with him for the sake of writing few more posts in signature campaigns, but this is getting really silly.

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Quote from: TryNinja on May 10, 2021, 06:45:57 PM

I have exchanged multiple (big) PMs with him related to his Ledger wallet, which IMO wouldn't make sense if he was just farming for himself or others (e.g make a question so his alt can answer later).

I thought something was weird when I was answering a user just a few hours ago, his style was familiar, checked his name, and now..... deja vu

The list is a bit longer, not as big as yours but enough to make me think he isn't doing this for farming, I remember reading one of those that it took me quite a while not only to understand his problem but also how to solve his dillemas.
Judging just by the time spent on those private discussions he could have probably grown 10 accounts, in one of them he showed me like 5 models of the equipment he wanted to buy.

Quote from: Pmalek on May 12, 2021, 04:01:18 AM

I would love to have voted, but I think your poll misses something along the lines of scared, fragile, and mentally unstable. I am not saying that to offend him or make fun of any mental disorders he might or might not have, he just strikes me as the kind of guy who spends an hour deciding what kind of jacket he should wear before he goes out. Calculating the pros and cons of all the jackets he has.

This fits my image of him also, so I'm not going to comment further on what I think the reasons for his posts are.
But I think that all the harm he does is starting endless discussions, and it's not really his objective more like a side effect.

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This is how Hardware wallets sections looks like currently with top TEN threads started by jerry0 and there are more of them in other pages.
It's like reading one of those 1001 questions and answers books...

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Maybe is his own kind of method of posting, repeatation of questions maybe is his source of getting merit that is the reason is involve in such questions, but i have no come across that what's is doing is against the rules and regulations of the community, if really is against we have to justify him and he should face his penalty, in any way that is not against, someone should pm him about his lapses via unnecessary questions which is no yielding any positive impact to the community.

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My question is if jerry0 is a Troll, Farmer, Spammer, Smart guy asking questions or should people just ignore him and don't reply to his questions. (You can Vote in Poll for that)

I did vote in the poll but would like to mention that it is not your choice or to be concerned about how other members should treat him. Rather, he should be getting banned or a temp ban from the mods would be a more accurate request. From the posts I could make out there's likely a very little chance of any of that.

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I have never considered jerry to be an account farmer and none of his two accounts are part of any signature campaigns. It is very unlikely he will get merits because chances are much bigger that he will piss people of with his walls of text and ignorance. dkbit98 and LoyceV putting him on their ignore lists are just two examples of that.

I would love to have voted, but I think your poll misses something along the lines of scared, fragile, and mentally unstable. I am not saying that to offend him or make fun of any mental disorders he might or might not have, he just strikes me as the kind of guy who spends an hour deciding what kind of jacket he should wear before he goes out. Calculating the pros and cons of all the jackets he has. I think he just wants someone to say that his methods of storing his sensitive data are good and he might stop. He is never going to use passphrases or airgapped solutions.

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I remember this guy from Hardware wallets board. I think everyone who visit this place knows him Cheesy

. As said above, his writing style is not easy to read and now I tend to skip his posts.
I don't want to call him spammer, troll, account farmer or something similar. He don't even have paid signature and I can't remember him wearing such. I doubt that he would easy find campaign that would accept him. And if he is farming account, I think it would be quite strange way to do it.
I think that he is just a bit strange person, not same like everyone who have all kind of problems and questions related with hardware wallets.

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The time line doesn't exactly match with what jerry0 originally said:

2014-07-12, 13:46:02 Date Registered:    viking02

2017-09-14, 01:35:14 Date Registered:    jerry0
2017-09-18, 18:49:34 Last post by    viking02
2017-09-19, 02:56:53 "Hacked a week ago" post by jerry0
2017-09-21, 18:36:33 Last Active:    viking02

2019-01-29, 13:24:19 Date Registered:    Thomas29

1/4/2020 12:51:43 AM    password changed    Thomas29

2021-05-07, 18:00:37 Last Active:    Thomas29
2021-05-11, 17:11:54 Last Active:    jerry0

There's not merit swapping, nore is their DT mutual trust of each-other. It could have been a way to "retire" an alt that either scammed (and didn't get reported), or, the alt was just put on ice (possably to then on-sell or scam later - which never occurred.

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 10, 2021, 02:47:26 PM

He's currently leading on most posts in the past 7 days.

I noticed that he is making a lot of posts, especially consecutive posts that are pumping his posting stats, but making most posts from all forum members is crazy and he is well above even robots like you. Cheesy

Quote from: TryNinja on May 10, 2021, 06:45:57 PM

I have exchanged multiple (big) PMs with him related to his Ledger wallet, which IMO wouldn't make sense if he was just farming for himself or others

OMG Ninja you must be a very patient man if you have been talking with this guy for years... Shocked

Maybe there is some language barrier or he is using some translator that is making him not understand something, and I suspect that he is from China or Asian region because they often write number one like this: 0.l btc, but he claims that he is American living abroad...
I can give him benefit of the doubt, but my question is why would he use two or more accounts to ask the same questions about same stuff and why do it for years? Isn't one account enough for that?

Quote from: Quickseller on May 11, 2021, 12:33:38 AM

Assuming they are the same person, neither one of them is wearing a paid sig.

His old and confirmed account viking02 still have some paid campaign signature.

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Quote from: DaveF on May 10, 2021, 11:11:44 AM

I spotted one more of his accounts Thomas29 with same writing style, and maybe someone knows more accounts controlled by him?

Assuming they are the same person, neither one of them is wearing a paid sig. Neither one of them is earning a particularly large amount of merit. So if he is farming accounts, he is not doing a very good job. Sure, it is possible that he has other accounts with paid sigs that he (ab)uses.

I voted that he is a farmer, but I am not sure. It is possible he is trying to learn, but does not like having to look up things on his own. I would agree that he is not a "shitposter" but he probably does make unnecessary posts, and probably causes unnecessary posts to be posted in his threads in response to what he says.

I actually commented about this a while ago. Would have to go dig up my post but essentially you would have one of your 3 accounts post a question / comment that has been responded to many times before, then you have your 2nd account reply with a legitimate answer. Then the 3rd chimes in with the "this has been discussed before" comment. The 1st then replies thanks and the thread stops there more or less. But you got 2 posts in from one account and 1 post in from the 2 other accounts.

You could probably get more posts out of this strategy than 5 posts. Someone trying to maximize the number of post a "fake" thread/question generates, they could ask a vague question, get a broad answer, be asked clarifying information by multiple accounts, give clarifying information about what you are asking, engage in a debate about what is best, and so on.

I have seen newbies ask suspiciously obvious questions that I somewhat suspect was made in order to increase the post count of alt accounts.

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I have exchanged multiple (big) PMs with him related to his Ledger wallet, which IMO wouldn't make sense if he was just farming for himself or others (e.g make a question so his alt can answer later).

Maybe he just have a bad memory, some condition or terrible text interpretation. Maybe he's just "too old" and can't really compreehend the tech, so he keeps asking the same "dumb questions". Tongue

edit: typo

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He's currently leading on most posts in the past 7 days.

Quote from: dkbit98 on May 10, 2021, 09:14:27 AM

You can see jerry0 repeatedly asking same fake questions, and problem is that other members got involved in this futile conversations with him.

I fell for it too. I "interacted" with the account recently. And right after my post he made another post in which he showed he can't read and just asks dumb things again. So I gave up and added him to my Ignore list. After that 3 other users tried to give him a serious answer, and he left the topic.
Ignoring him ensures I don't waste any more time on him

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It's kind a turning bitcointalk forum into circus more and more, and I don't want to be part of jerry0 show, but I can understand why other members may choose to play this game with him.

Tbh, it's not much better on the forums that don't pay you to post, people just find it hard to ignore trolls. What makes me chuckle though is when people are actually putting some effort answering an obvious troll, formatting the text etc Cheesy

Quote from: DaveF on May 10, 2021, 11:11:44 AM

I actually commented about this a while ago. Would have to go dig up my post but essentially you would have one of your 3 accounts post a question / comment that has been responded to many times before, then you have your 2nd account reply with a legitimate answer. Then the 3rd chimes in with the "this has been discussed before" comment. The 1st then replies thanks and the thread stops there more or less. But you got 2 posts in from one account and 1 post in from the 2 other accounts.

Do that a few times a week and you can make your post counts for a sig campaign.

Haha, that's not bad idea at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if some are not using that technique. That reminds me of a case from the last year when someone farmed merit using the similar tactic. He would use his sock puppet account to open a topic in Beginners&Help section and ask some question, and then he would have answer ready from his "main" account. As we know, early answers in topic have higher chance of merit, so that tactic actually worked and he managed to farm decent amount of merit in relatively short period of time. But, eventually he slipped and got caught.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 10, 2021, 09:00:50 AM

Honestly, to me @jerry0 doesn't look any worse than bunch of other forum members (that are even getting paid for their nonsense) so I would say the best course of action is to simply put him on ignore list if you are annoyed by his posting style and move on.

Quote from: Rikafip on May 10, 2021, 09:00:50 AM

You can see jerry0 repeatedly asking same fake questions, and problem is that other members got involved in this futile conversations with him.

Many people don't mind those kind of conversations simply because they are getting paid for them, so why not getting into argument with some troll and fill your signature quota? Then again, sometimes it's kinda hard not to answer, even if you know that its just trolling and nothing else..

I actually commented about this a while ago. Would have to go dig up my post but essentially you would have one of your 3 accounts post a question / comment that has been responded to many times before, then you have your 2nd account reply with a legitimate answer. Then the 3rd chimes in with the "this has been discussed before" comment. The 1st then replies thanks and the thread stops there more or less. But you got 2 posts in from one account and 1 post in from the 2 other accounts.

Do that a few times a week and you can make your post counts for a sig campaign.

*Yes, it seems a bit dishonest to comment about doing that while wearing a sig but the point is still valid.

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Many people don't mind those kind of conversations simply because they are getting paid for them, so why not getting into argument with some troll and fill your signature quota? Then again, sometimes it's kinda hard not to answer, even if you know that its just trolling and nothing else..

It's kind a turning bitcointalk forum into circus more and more, and I don't want to be part of jerry0 show, but I can understand why other members may choose to play this game with him.

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Honestly, to me @jerry0 doesn't look any worse than bunch of other forum members (that are even getting paid for their nonsense) so I would say the best course of action is to simply put him on ignore list if you are annoyed by his posting style and move on.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 10, 2021, 06:38:32 AM

You can see jerry0 repeatedly asking same fake questions, and problem is that other members got involved in this futile conversations with him.

Many people don't mind those kind of conversations simply because they are getting paid for them, so why not getting into argument with some troll and fill your signature quota? Then again, sometimes it's kinda hard not to answer, even if you know that its just trolling and nothing else..

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on May 10, 2021, 03:35:25 AM

It could be an account farmer, but I can't tell for sure yet.

If he's got several accounts, he might have been an account farmer once upon a time, but I doubt there are many people farming accounts these days because of the merit system. Having several accounts doesn't necessarily make you an account farmer, either. Nor would I have suspected that of jerry0 solely because of what he posts. Everything I've read from him has been in the Hardware Wallet section, and he doesn't strike me as writing nonsense at all--to me, he comes off as very paranoid about the safety of his coins and his ignorance about HW wallets.

Yeah, he does seem to be a little bit slow on the uptake when members give him answers to his questions, but I've never viewed that as anything suspicious. He's not a typical shitposter, either. When he posts questions (or whatever), it generally looks as though he puts some thought into them, regardless of how disorganized or clouded that thought is.

If you're frustrated with jerry0, just put him on ignore. There are members who are much, much worse than him, and you don't have to reply to his questions if you don't want to.

Yes there are people who are much worse.
But I do feel something is "off" with him, just not sure what. I put him on ignore a while ago and honestly forgot about it until I saw this thread.
At a *guess* he is putting in some work or at least trying to put a bit of work into farming and ranking up but not a lot of work.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 10, 2021, 06:38:32 AM

He's not a typical shitposter, either.

This is true. And this is one of the reasons for my conclusion.
And as I said: could be. I'm far from sure.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 10, 2021, 06:38:32 AM

If you're frustrated with jerry0, just put him on ignore.

It's not that annoying. And maybe there's a chance he'll improve...

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 10, 2021, 06:38:32 AM

There are members who are much, much worse than him, and you don't have to reply to his questions if you don't want to.

That's correct. And that's what I do. Hence it depends on the question/post. While some are awful, some are actually readable.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on May 10, 2021, 03:35:25 AM

It could be an account farmer, but I can't tell for sure yet.

If he's got several accounts, he might have been an account farmer once upon a time, but I doubt there are many people farming accounts these days because of the merit system. Having several accounts doesn't necessarily make you an account farmer, either. Nor would I have suspected that of jerry0 solely because of what he posts. Everything I've read from him has been in the Hardware Wallet section, and he doesn't strike me as writing nonsense at all--to me, he comes off as very paranoid about the safety of his coins and his ignorance about HW wallets.

Yeah, he does seem to be a little bit slow on the uptake when members give him answers to his questions, but I've never viewed that as anything suspicious. He's not a typical shitposter, either. When he posts questions (or whatever), it generally looks as though he puts some thought into them, regardless of how disorganized or clouded that thought is.

If you're frustrated with jerry0, just put him on ignore. There are members who are much, much worse than him, and you don't have to reply to his questions if you don't want to.

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