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Athletes are already limited as to how much they can train by virtue of how the human body works. If they exceed these limits, they will face injuries and will end up hurting their performance.

I have to disagree with you that using performance-enhancing drugs is necessary and that not using them is dangerous. Damage from using performance-enhancing drugs is permanent, while damage from training-related injuries is generally temporary, and Olympic-level athletes have trainers who help them avoid these types of injuries.

According to the World Olympics Association, one of the core values is Excellence, which is "...about giving one's best ...[and]... trying your hardest to win...". Using performance-enhancing drugs is not compatible with this principle.

All other major sports leagues also ban performance-enhancing drugs.

Interleague games would be interesting. "It's your New York Yankees versus a team comprised of nothing but Kodiak bears!"

soccer players now limited to not heading the ball. even during practice/training
american footballers now limited to not tackling others headfirst. even during practice training

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100 years ago soccer(UK football) was a rivalry game between 2 towns. where it was used to settle disputies between neighbouring towns. injuries were allowed. it was like sanctioned community fight battle and the ball was the measure of which side wins depending on who could get it to their oppositions side more.

now its a 'friendly sport' players get rewarded for claiming they break a toenail. and the opposition get penalised for it.

whats next play sports based on video game plays where no human contact is allowed(E-games)

It is already about who can take the best drugs and not get caught.  Are you naive?

The ones who are 'clean' were smart enough to hire professionals to manage their hormone levels and in some cases take other drugs to pass the 'drug tests'.  Every athlete out there has experimented with steroids when recovering from injury, or to speed up recovery from overtraining.

I say make no drug limitations and make things more interesting.  Let's see who can break the 9-sec barrier in a 100m dash.

Athletes are endangering their lives by subjecting their bodies to decades of physical assault.  It is not healthy even if you don't take performance-enhancing drugs.

What is next, are you going to limit how much they can train?  How much they can spend on the support team?

Olympics stopped being an amateurs' competition a long time ago.  Be real.  People should stop pretending.

The issue with this approach, though, is where do we stop? Hormone levels are a determining factor, yes. But what about, for example, height? You could be the most talented and skilled basketball player in the world, but if you're 5ft tall you'd never make it as a professional. How about if you have two really dedicated sprinters, both with perfect diet and training regimen, but one naturally has significantly more fast-twitch muscle fibres, and wins every time. Genetic and other natural variations account for at least a proportion of elite sports performance.

I suppose we could look at the paralympics to get some context. There are many different classifications of competitor, leading to many different versions of each event... but wherever you have bandings, you have some people at the top end of the band and some at the lower, some whose disability means they're on the border of bands A/B, and some who are on the border B/C... if they both get grouped as 'B' and have to compete against one another, then is that fair?

If the aim is to ensure a level playing field that removes all genetic or other innate advantage, then we don't just need a few more separate divisions of competition, we need as many divisions as there are people. Even if we tried to level it up by permitting hormone supplementation, that would only go so far, and would highlight the other physical factors.

I'd argue that elite sport is—and should be—about who is the best, not who makes the best of what they've got. If the fastest and strongest have certain innate physical advantages, and they have made full use of those advantages, then they deserve to be considered the best. If someone is biologically a woman, they should be allowed to compete as such, regardless of hormone levels (excepting of course illegal doping).

That's where their "EQUALITY" takes them. As they want everything to be equal, things such as this occur and backfire to their own motive. If only they can only understand that there will always be a difference between estrogen and testosterone, the world would be so much better tbh.

Anyway, a real woman will really be at disadvantage for this. These transgenders even make their own records in weightlifting and it is kind of disturbing.

The Olympics is supposed to be a competition among amateur athletes. Performance-enhancing drugs are banned in the Olympics because the winner of Olympic metals is supposed to be the best athletes, not who can find/take the best performance-enhancing drugs.

The left appears to almost encourage people to become transgender. I believe someone saying they are considering changing their gender/pronouns is most often a cry for help and not an actual desire to change their gender.

I have heard the example of a 10-year-old "deciding" they want to change their gender and the argument that this should be allowed. Someone who is 10 lacks the capacity to consent to this kind of medical procedure, and a parent deciding their child will receive this kind of medical procedure is child abuse. In reality, a 10-year-old has not actually "decided" they want to change their gender, more frequently, they are saying this in response to outside influence such as from their abusive parents.

yeah, it would and it will negatively affect women(at least in my opinion).

in a physical sport? mostly not(there is still a possibility that a woman can win against a man in physical sport), but in non-physical sports(chess and such)? yes. it would be extremely unfair to mix two sexes especially with the obvious biological differences which are unfavourable to women when it comes to physical sports.

Or..
They could be simply recommended mental health counseling..

I remember when AP tried to fact check this and failed miserably. I used to think AP was the most neutral news source but even them can't even keep their rampant bias to themselves:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9582957367


They quote Biden as this "“The idea that an 8-year-old child or a 10-year-old child decides, ‘You know I decided I want to be transgender. That’s what I think I’d like to be. It would make my life a lot easier.’ There should be zero discrimination.”

Yeah, sure, let children pick what gender they want to be, let them transition. No problem there. And apparently biological males can use the girls' room too!

The Olympics haven't had the same respect for years now, after all the doping "TOP" Athletes getting outed, never known anyone nor myself to care for it other than living here in the states, and having a slight want for the USA to succeed out of sheer blind patriotism. 

They simply don't know about them or just want to satisfy the feeling of trans they said like that but I don't think it will work practically as most others said. Trans could be much stronger than an actual woman s it will become an unfair competition or even it will make the audience lose their interest in watching such unfair games.

I agree that genitals is the main sexes that exist between both genders but you'll agree with me that, it takes more than just genitals to belong to either side. Being a man, you've got your structure and also how you think to deal with. That a woman goes to the gem doesn't make her muscular equal with man and that men run transgender surgery to participate in a feminine category sport doesn't make the game a fair game. It's very much going to be unequal and the game won't be fair. It's not a good idea at all.

Nah, just let everyone duke it out in the same ring if they want to. #equalrights

In MMA you have the right to accept or decline a challenge. Nobody is going to make a female fight a transgender male, it's up to her.
Maybe set up a special trans league where all those hormone pumped boys, girls and fluids can duke it out?

Yah I agree, just make all sports unisex.

I mean the ladies are going to get fucked up in like mma, but hey equal rights.

There should be one category: Homo Sapiens.  Maybe we'll have to have another category for "Homo AI" soon.

Humans should be allowed to use whatever chemicals or naturally occurring substances they want to improve their performance.

Without any 'drug rules', people can just get to the business of competing, not cheating, and beating the drug tests.

Right now, we have to worry about other issues, like having Olympics ever again, not which category to put transgender people in.

Sports benefits people with an appropriate physique anyway, though, and often in a way that makes skill less of an issue. Although this depends on the sport. For example, even if I were exceptionally skilled at basketball (I'm not), then I'd never make it as a professional player because I'm not 7ft-whatever tall. But there are other sports where skill is more important. Footballers for example can be a range of physiques from tall strong centre-backs to slender, fast wingers. And there are other sports such as motor racing or snooker where height and strength are much less of an issue.
I would say that if you are good enough at sports, it's a case of finding one that suits you. Certain sports will always benefit people with certain physical attributes, that has always been the case and will continue to be so regardless of the gender issue. Other sports, is less of an issue or no issue at all.

What about the risk/cost of emotionally harming non transgender kids "girls" when they're continuously getting beat by a man who identify as a little girl ?


Who said life is fair or that it has to be ?  Creating sub divisions for people with low hormone levels  because they werent fortunate enough to be born with good body chemistry is just stupid.

I agree with hormone divisions. We have weight divisions for the same purpose, because one day someone noticed that a 100kg wrestler will 9/10 times win against a 50 kg wrestler. Since there are women who have incredible muscle mass and look like men on steroids, why not put them up against men in competitions? It's pretty much the same with transgender people. You can feel like whoever you like for all I care. If you feel like a lion, you can jump into a cage with lions, I won't shed a tear, but the competitions should be made so that 30 year old pervs who think they're teenage girls are not allowed to compete in sports against those girls.

i am against government restrictions on provite property... unless that private property causes harm/danger and true mental debilitation to others, ,because then its no longer private if it affects others

also
nothing stopping them making a 3rd soccer league/olympic devision called 'anyone can play' where disabled transgedered, male and female can compete against each other, heck. throw in a lion and cheetah into the mix and ses who wins.
100metre run would be more entertaining with a sharpened claw cheetah in the lanes

For pro sports, I've long thought that they should split it into several divisions depending on your levels of certain hormones, similar to how fighting sports have weight divisions. Natural hormone levels are a huge determining factor in sports even among people of the same birth sex. Maybe they should even allow people to supplement hormones to bring them up to some standard levels for the division. The vast majority of people are basically excluded at birth from ever competing in eg. the Olympics because no matter how high their personal drive/spirit, they just don't have good enough body chemistry, and is that really fair?

If I was in charge of a school and I was required to preserve exactly two divisions for men and women respectively, I'd probably allow transgender athletes to compete where they want, since it's a school, not a pro sports league, and the risk/cost of emotionally harming a transgender student through ostracism seems higher than the risk of a transgender student intentionally cheating the system and completely ruining everyone else's fun. Owners of schools/leagues/property should have the right to set their own policies, though, including dividing it purely along birth-sex lines if they wish. No need for a one-size-fits-all policy, and I oppose government restrictions on private property owners.

This is messed up. Why would you allow a men who chooses to be a woman, compete against real woman? That is just unfair because his body is much stronger than that of a real woman. Why not make their own league for trans men and woman, so they can compete seperately? It feels like they are getting  privilge over the other sexes.

Make both of them happy, the other will feel discontent and want refund on their purchase.

don't we have more important issues than that? like getting rid of the Insane Democrats?

or building feminist cities/empires so women are finally happy

Won`t our Olympics be kind of fucked up with a bunch of men who think they are women in the women category.

Do you think real women will actually ever win anything now?