Topic: Journalists PANICKING After CA Law Effectively ENDING Freelance Journalism (Read 287 times)

While I agree with you on the whole sensational aspect of the video and Techs use of it. This is a bad law etc. It's another example of law makers (either side) not understanding all the issues and doing a half ass job that will end up screwing people. I did contract for years so I know what it's like. You don't always have the freedom to NOT take work. More importantly, this makes it a pain in the ass for companies in other states and so they will simply not bother with CA freelancers. Hell, I had people not give me work because I didn't use the payment method they wanted to use or have some other tool or whatever they wanted me to use despite the fact I could do the work and give them the end result. Bottom line, there will be a negative impact unless they try and "fix" it again. How negative it will be, we have no way of knowing at this point so decrying the end of freelance journalism in CA is just ridiculous.

In California, Protecting Workers Means Outlawing Their Jobs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5f8lQ9Flhk

i have no totalitarian lean
if you look at the reason i test bitcoin core but love the asset and tech you would understand this

if you look at my views on many things you would understand it
i simply have the mind and ability to see the reality we are in and not fear talking about it

governments were not targetting media. its all kinds of freelancers especially uber. my tips apply to them too. if you really want a career in being a chauffeur drop the spamming 10 minutes couple dollar pick-ups and instead offer exclusive rides worth more value. like set up a limousine business or a tour business that offers groups a service

because this forum topic is concerning media. i used media as a example. but like i said the tips apply to many industries

if your just a soccer mom looking to get rich doing a crappy spammy thing. up your game

its not about making people lose their job its about not letting big companies abuse others labour by charging them so little that people have to spam tasks just to make up the living wage

its like this very forum. loads of people detest the signature spam messages of meaningless content which people just copy and paste from other posts just to get post numbers up

if you want a career in something instead of cry, up your game and try a new approach

"california were not targeting media" [proceeds to detail why you think California should target the media].

The fact that you think it is the governments role to hand down dictates like this says volumes about your totalitarian lean. There is a reason freedom of speech is number one. Under the law a toddler taking notes with a crayon is a journalist, you don't get to decide who qualifies, nor does the government, no matter how much you would love to goose step down that slippery slope.

Its 35 articles per employer. Its not effectively the end of freelance journalism. News agencies aren't going to keep cycling through employees after they reach 34 articles, unless if the product they need doesn't require much specific skill to generate. Regardless, if the economy dictates it, they will find a way around the issue. The law isn't even written clearly enough to make firm standards of enforcement. They need to be clarified by judicial rulings.


The direct intent of the bill is to provide higher wages and better benefits to journalists. Freelance journalism simply isn't ending. Its not. I'm also encouraged in my viewpoint by realizing that no dire proclamation you've ever made has ever come true. You are 0 for 100+.

firstly california were not targeting media
secondly freelancers are not employed in the first place by the companies
they are just paid per article. they are contractors

it just means those who really want to be journalists have to up their game and write stuff that is worthy of being put into media
in other words no wasting time on 'fluff' pieces wrote by bored soccer moms

there are too many people writing articles i just 10 minutes hoping to get rich by spamming media with nonsense articles.
where those people have no experience or ethical guidelines to actually want to be factually accurate
 
if journalists actually spent time to do research and back up their articles with source material that does not lead to media having to make retractions and such. media will employ them with a proper employment contract

p.s i do say journalists in the former loosely because i do not class many freelancers as true journalists. and more like bored bloggers

those that want a proper journalist career and actually care for the industry will come forward while the bored bloggers move onto another thing to entertain themselves with

in short if you want to actually be a journalist. put some effort in and put your quality articles above the crappy stuff seen in media previously.

its the same for any industry. train, get experience and show off your skills. dont just moan that suddenly you have to be interviewed and actually try to get a job

"California Has NUKED Leftist Media From Orbit, HUNDREDS Of Writers Are Being FIRED Under New Law"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW-n2tHmoR4

So much for this law being about Uber drivers...

https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-wont-force-uber-to-treat-california-drivers-as-employees/

Oh, 35 articles per employer, much better! No they won't cycle through people, they will just stop hiring and or go out of business because this field already has extremely thin and shrinking profit margins. This bill could have the intent to give every man woman and child a bubblegum flavored lollipop, that doesn't mean it will acheive its goal as intended. The fact is though the entire purpose of the bill is to make freelance contracting not viable, effectively ending it in certain fields.




If they are producing lesser quality products it is for the market to decide if they continue to operate, not the government. No matter how much you hope this will magically increase the quality of journalism, all it is doing is creating a regulatory bar preventing smaller organizations from participating in favor of larger corporations who can afford to be in compliance, which is the whole point to crush independent voices. You know what they say about intentions and the road to hell don't you?

Yes I understand. You're not here to be liked. You're here (in a politics section of a social media forum) to tell people what's what because you know what's best for them.


No, its not. You're making a hyperbolic statement because you so badly want to "get" the dems. That's the only reason you posted this in the first place -- so you could say "See??? Look what the dems are doing! Dems bad!!!"


Hey dildo. I am a freelance journalist. I'm sure The American Society of Journalists and Authors would let me into their club if I paid the fees.


This is just your paranoid, conspiratard mind running amok. Its what happens when you are pathologically unable to consider alternate viewpoints, which is a common side effect of inceldom.

Let's see what happens on January 1st. I'm willing to bet it won't be the "end of freelance journalism" (in California or anywhere for that matter).

the youtuber talks about doing 5 articles a day..
thats 2 hours an article.
sorry but that does not seem like much research time

ok lets math this out.

5arts a day for 5 days=25 so say someone needs to live comfortably for $400 a week.
thats $16 an article($9 an hour.. sounds about right for such quick stories)

now imagine 2 scenarios.
(a) out of 365 days minus weekends =261 minus 4 weeks vacation= 233
thats on article every 7 workdays
so effectively to 'live' on that amount an article writer cant just blog its way through random statements but actually show a story of such research depth and wordplay that it actually shows 7 days of labour went into it..
.. in short the journalists have to put alot more effort into their work

(b) local news media has to employee staff as actual employees if they want to continue pushing out tripe in the form of quick unresearched cheap crap 'news' stories

Yeah, you are right. We should start burning books. A free press is dangerous and must be restricted for our own good!

Of course they will panic just like if a news should break about holders of bitcoin risked going to jail because of certain law being passed in the country. Panic is sure to set in. While I might not know the details of the provisions of the law, there is no doubt its needed in this era where anyone with access to internet and laptop can declare himself a journalist without apology, send out fake news, have blogs, influence youths because of large followers and if this is not put at bay, it can set the country on fire. There is no need to politicise things by claiming it was done by the democrats. Its an action that needs to be taken to avoid breakdown of law and order.

He blocked you because you're an asshole, not because he can't tolerate your ideas. If you could perhaps try to make your point without being such a flaming nugget of condescension and assholery, perhaps your ideas would be better entertained by others. Has that ever once occurred to you since you've been a member of this forum? I'm willing to tolerate alternate viewpoints just fine, so long as they aren't being given by someone who can't help but work personal insults into every response.

Worst case scenario: California freelancers are limited to 35 submissions per employer per year. That is hardly "the end of freelance journalism" or an "apocalyptic event."

Best case scenario (and most probable): lawmakers work with lobbyists/concerned citizens to make sure the bill has absolutely no negative impact on freelance journalists.

You know what they say about intentions don't you? What they intended is irrelevant. You might intend to stop all pick pocketing by chopping off everyone's hands, that doesn't make it effective or magically make the counterproductive results of such a policy go away. Freelancing is VOLUNTARY. No one is forcing them to take these jobs. As some one majoring in a field related to economics, one would think they would teach you that central top down dictated economies don't work, but I guess not. Your assumptions that if it is a problem it would be fixed, and your proclamations that it won't hurt journalists is nothing more than a blind assumption on your part. All these kind of restrictions do is raise the regulatory bar high enough that smaller companies can't compete, big companies will ALWAYS find a way around it.



It is not hyperbolic at all. Are you claiming some one can make a career as a freelance journalist only submitting 35 articles annually? No? Then that is effectively the end of freelance journalism in that state. By definition the bill intends to force companies to hire permanent employees, thus its DIRECT INTENT is to restrict freelance journalism to the point that it is effectively not a viable career option. Didn't you just get done preaching about personal attacks... seems like you like to preach a lot but don't follow your own sanctimonious proclamations. Whats new eh?

Amazing, you call me a "conspiritard" incel literally for pointing out alternative view points as you directly accuse me of being unable to consider alternative viewpoints in the same breath. You might as well douse yourself in gasoline and light a match and accuse me of being on fire. Clearly free speech is under attack in this country (and others), and your constant screeching refrain of personal attacks and "NO U!!1" arguments doesn't change that.

Ah look at that. Someone who understands what exactly is going on here.

The intention of the bill wasn't to end freelance journalism, and I highly doubt that is going to be what comes out of it. This is a bill that was forcing companies such as Uber, Lyft, Doordash, etc to pay their 'INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS' as EMPLOYEES. As the employees in their company were getting screwed and making nothing.

If this did present a real issue, it would be fixed. But until it is an issue, I highly doubt anything is done -- because no negative action will be taken against journalists.

[criticizes me for making personal attacks, works personal attacks into every reply you make to me]

If he doesn't like it maybe he should have left the personal attacks out of his own comments, either way I don't buy it. People love to shift the anger and fear generated from cognitive dissonance into any excuse they can manage. Any time I question his own knowledge of a situation its always the same pissy type reply even without personal attacks from my end. Anyways I really don't give a fuck if he or anyone else likes me. Being liked is overrated. People who measure their self worth on the approval of others are fucking losers.

Limiting a freelance journalist to 35 submissions a year IS effectively the end of freelance journalism in California because that is a weeks workload for some people. Of course you know better than The American Society of Journalists and Authors, because what would they know about their own field of focus? You are Nutillduuuhhhh after all, and you know more about their jobs than they do. Your assumptions that it will all be worked out are meaningless. This is a backdoor restriction on free speech with all the worst elements of a minimum wage and excessive government regulation.

Ooooh noooo! Don't ignore me! Way to prove you are able to tolerate ideas that challenge your currently held beliefs. You sure showed me!

For everyone else:

https://asja.org/California_Freelance_Restrictions

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-10-25/hiltzik-freelance-writers-gig-worker-law

Alright. Blocked.

Excuse me little boy? You have a lot to learn about the world, but I am sure you have it all figured out before you have reached drinking age. Just because I discuss issues that your favorite pasteurized and regurgitated corporate approved mainstream media platforms doesn't, doesn't mean I spread disinformation, that is just a sign of your own cognitive dissonance being unable to discuss concepts you don't agree with and instead making character attacks. That's fine, though, ultimately it is you who will pay the price of your blind allegiance to your corporate overlords. Just don't forget people like me who's faces you spit in for simply trying to introduce you to new ideas when you do finally put on your big boy pants and realize how much you don't know.

Because that's what he does, that's his only role on here. He just  spreads misinformation on here, probably on twitter, instagram, facebook etc as well (and if he doesn't use those, maybe his own blog, steemit, etc)

So yeah. Unsure of why someone like this is going to continue to spread misinformation, but they have their fun doing it.

As usual you miss the forest for the trees. Instead of taking clickbait titles into account and integrating that information, you just dump the whole of it  (as if the mainstream media you worship at the feet of don't do exactly the same thing). This is a category error. There is no such thing as bad information, only useless interpretations of it.

Isn't that how most of the online BS news works anyway? Though people will always remember that you get more clicks if you write things like "THE END OF FREELANCE JOUNRALISM" or something crazy along those lines.

God damn. This isn't going to effect anyone.

well its still no big change, is just shifts from a financially defined media system towards a state oligarchial one, people will still behave illegally even more, as it would restrict their freedom.

It's kind of funny as I know exactly *3* people who are freelance and they all on the total opposite side of this from what the article says.

Now, it's not a real scientific study and for 2 of them it's not their "real job" more of a profitable side gig but they both think it's great.
The one that does it full time thinks it's better then great.

Mostly they feel it puts the smaller writers doing side jobs on one side and the ones that do this for a living on the other. Or as the full timer put it (more or less)

"If you do handyman work on the side people don't expect you to have the best tools, an amazing work van, and possibly you might look the other way about a permit or 2, and that's fine. You are fixing a porch or hanging a cabinet or replacing a vanity in the bathroom. You are probably not ripping out someones kitchen and redoing everything as a side job after your real job." He then went on to say that as a full time freelancer he was frequently loosing jobs to people who would undercut him on similar spec articles because as he put it, they were not paying their own insurance, didn't have a real home office, etc. So now, if the publications want to really keep doing this then they are going to have to make a decision as to (once again his words) "use the day laborers standing in front of Home Depot to do your remodel or hire a real contractor"

The part timers think it's good because they feel that if they do cross the threshold it's a badge of honor type thing and can demand more $ from the publishers since they are obviously used a lot.

Now, I don't have a real view on this, I just got sucked into the conversations with all them at different times over the last week about this and then saw this post today.
I figured I would wind up playing some sort of referee but they all more or less had the same view.

Could be for many different reasons, don't know or for the most part care. Just figured I would share. Feel free to ignore....

-Dave

If freelance Journalism will be removed then the remaining media left will be those who are being controlled by the government. If that is the case all news will be filtered leaving the democrats to have control over the news. Their bad reputation will be replaced by positive publicity, corruption and other illegal activities done by the government will no longer be shown on mass media. Aside from that they can just make their enemies to have bad reputation by streaming negative issues on their political opponent. This move is to protect their greed that is financial authority as well as political monopoly.

I don't do 'tinfoil hat', and I absolutely don't reject an idea because it is labeled by someone as such.  Indeed, just the opposite because the term is cultivated for use in rejecting ideas which need extra kick of illogical rejection because they actually are valid.

Another similar tool is to promote a hoax like 'flat earth', then conflate perfectly valid concerns (vaccine concern, climate change skepticism, etc) with the fabricated hoax.

These kinds of gimmicks work well on weak minded people who are terrified to be separated from their 'herd'.  Unfortunately that is a strong majority of the peeps.  It's just how 'normies' are wired.  Oh well.

What I do are hypothesese.  If a hypothesis is nullified and/or does not work, they are valueless and forgotten.  If they continue to work (provide explanations for statistical anomalies, are useful for making accurate predictions, etc) they usually remain hypothesese but gain strength.

Haha! I know it's pretty much tinfoil but the greatest changes are those that is barely noticeable. I already see a lot of people online saying that Texas has pretty much become blue from all the people moving from California.

Another equally tinfoil I've heard was that they are pushing people out of the state (and turning certain areas into shithole using hobos) is so the land can be bought up cheaply (the market value goes down if the street is covered in shit and used syringes) and resold later.

That's a hypothesis worth exploring.  Really!  Pattern match if other 'thought leaders' or entrenched and influncial people from the state find it necessary to re-locate because of policy directives.

I know you have a rock hard tiny boner for me Nutilduhh, never missing an opportunity to fling turds like a chimp contributing nothing to the actual discussion, but this really is sad. Speaking of things you don't understand, Tim Pool is a well known liberal, not that attacking his lean is an argument, but don't let that get in the way of your frothing bias. Also, people who throw the term "incel" around frivolously as an insult are extremely pathetic. If you were around in the 1920s US you would be the type of guy screaming about how "marijuana makes negros go crazy and rape white women."

Watched it and afterwards still confused about what they are trying to achieve. It's baffling. Maybe this is a pilot test on something that they intend to apply to the rest of the country? Maybe something that's going to be used to selectively target journalists writing right-oriented pieces? With these people, it's hard to tell what they're thinking or if they are even...

More people on welfare, more power for the state I guess. Or maybe they really want to drive these people out of California to spread the cancer across the whole of America.

Pathetic.

Two of the freelancers I'm working with are producing ~20 articles/week for me along. One is the US, the other is the UK. Ok, there are not CA based, but what if those idiots make it national-wide legislation in a year or two...
... Democrats are kicking their own chair it most-Democratic supportive state!

LOL "journalists". 35 articles a year, yeah, I don't think that would be enough to support anyone. On one hand, this is a disturbing development and might be implemented more harshly on people with "wrongthink" and could be used to hide what's really happening in CA. On the other hand, people are going to stay away from CA writers because of the limitations and just commission the articles from elsewhere.

"Journalists Are PANICKING After Democrats Pass Law Effectively ENDING Freelance Journalism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXOSSI8ijns