Topic: Just some Busting (Read 2278 times)

Basically, BestChange has excluded them from their campaign. However, it is believed that these two accounts are currently managed by two different users, so no negative feedback was given. Meaning that they are allowed to act like any other user on this forum, they are free to participate in signature campaigns, as long as the administrator accepts them. In this case, Hhampuz chose them  believe it or not, they are still good posters. Maybe it's one person, maybe it's two persons, who knows 

Damn, I still can't understand how these both accounts end up being in the same Signature campaigns. 1st they were in Best Exchange, now it's Freebitcoin managed by Hhampuz.

This is the valid policy on handling account sales, especially when deception is used (as it the case here): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52934928. Flags created soonTM.

I think this is a great decision, which makes sense in this case. In fact, these two accounts were created by the same person and are participating in your campaign. Therefore, you have full discretion over these two accounts in your campaign. Best of all, you are ready to pay them last week's pay   Great work! I appreciate your decision   I thought someone would remove both of these accounts from the campaign without any payments for this week

We would like to thank rhomelmabini for his work.

The accounts Debonaire217 and plvbob0070 are indeed participating in our Signature campaign. On the grounds of provided information we decided to remove the both accounts from our Signature campaign. At the same time, given the explanations Debonaire217 and plvbob0070 shared here, we can see that the both accounts were created by one person, however, we cannot allege that they are currently managed by one person. There is simply not enough proof for that. Therefore, we decided to pay them for the last week 6 of the Signature campaign.

Lemme rephrase that, I didn't say that you commited crimes, my point here is that to give the users some time to defend themselves since they were accused of ban evading... I'm also not against to your existence here besides I have known the account for almost a year now. I apologize if that's what it meant to you but honestly I do believe that the users in my Telegram Group is not going into shady businesses.

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I just simply do not want to feel sorry/bad on those accounts also I don't want to feel any regret on helping those accounts. A lit of time was consumed, I even talked to these guys inside and outside of this forum so I really don't think that they will have such crimes such as this, there might be issues yes but as i said before let them defend themselves for I know there's a good reason behind all these.

He's right, but the evidence is not compelling enough, he was just wrong to post it here, I checked and found that these two addresses often send tokens to the same address. This proves it is owned by the same person. I will find more accounts and soon create an thread there  

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Guy please visit this article to see proof 
archived my topic

I understand the need to expose Alt accounts but how is this connected to the OP?
I advise you to post such information in the thread of Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q1) or just create a new topic like this one and also state what forum rule the connected alts have broken

Okay, let me explain what @cabalism13 said.

TBH, I never arguing here in reputation even in meta because I dont want to involved dramas that moreover other criticized people when we talked connected accounts. Some of them did not believe of what you have said.

TBH, way back then Bitcointalk was introduced to my eldest brother that is jhongzjhong account. We know that joining and giving merits to each other was a forum offense and we never do that even though I have some post that must deserve to be merited. I know what is the rule of the forum that why I always abide on it to avoid problems in the future. And I told him that doesn't cross any signature that I joined because they will think you are my alt and even in previous accusation I never make dependable on my side because I know that we dont have anything wrong and alt account is okay as long as you are not abusing forum(that is a crime). And I think @cabalism was wrong of saying committing crimes. Now, he got a job and having a family he totally leaves on this forum

Now, let's proceed to the second one. BTCeminjas, that account was created by my elder sister(I'm the youngest sibling among them) and that was stated to me before in meta.

Now, our mistakes are we used the same wallet before because since we are newbies we dont know that using the same Bitcoin address will result like this. And due to the laziness of my eldest sister, I dont know what is the reason for banning as far as I remember she said she used google as a reference of posting. But I know we are not committing crimes of joining the same signature or joining the same bounties.

Yeah, I know those who are reading this will not believe because I saw most cases like this and that is why I did not give my feedback before as long as I'm not abusing the forum. And besides, I'm more active on local. I don't know this OP barking me this old issue that only mods will make an action not by giving feedback as cabal did.

Now, everyone read my opinion and I respect what mods taking action about this. They had a right to investigate my case and do what is right. Even though I'm not so useful in the forum but I contribute and keep active as much as I can even I have work in real life. It might this is my last post or whatever mod decision is at least I'm honest in this forum and there's no CRIME happen. (hacking, running money or even trolling) I'm trying a good member of this forum.

But I really appreciate if there is forgiveness I can continue my journey here and keep helping those who wanted my help.


To OP, I respect what you are the purpose of posting this. Just continue busting alt accounts that abuse on the forum. That is the real toxic here.

Thank you so much I will not respond to this thread anymore.

A good member of this forum,
-sheenshane-

True.
And yeah before I leave something I need to hear a thing from that user besides he's one of the users in my trust list. Let us give the user some time to explain himself just like what the 2 users did.
If the ban was made for a serious crime back then,... then I must say I will do what I must but as of now I will stick to that fact and just leave a neutral instead.
We simply cannot just look into the one side, besides it is not us who will decide whether the user stays or not.
As I'm always saying, I do not tolerate crimes that harms the forum.

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I simply wanted to tell you that you should ask yourself the one I quoted above.
Simply being a dick and just lurking around just to shit on some shits. Bring your profile here then somebody might consider your shits.

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It seems there is someone who is triggered and wanted to fight back with shits. Knock it off for you alts, whatever your posts is, it really doesn't help with the situation. Shitty biased feedbacks are really out of the line, sk I really suggest to stay out of it

You're off-topic here mate and I'll report it, you may post it in here Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q1) as well as your started topic on the Meta board as it was a wrong board to post that kind of topic.

I wouldn't bite linking accounts over crypto transactions since it is vague. For example, maybe A just ask to handle the token to B because it's just a few and it will cost him more gas if ever he'll do it on his end so instead of transacting it over to exchanges (I have a hunch that's the case here as I've seen the transaction are only done once) A ask B to do the task. Moreover, that isn't impossible as both of them are from same local I'll never be surprised if they are acquintance because of this forum or they really know each other.

As to the second case, I may take a look at it but to get more evidence you need to dig deeper behind it, the possibility is there but just having that isn't of hard evidence to present.

I give it back to you.  You definitely need it more. You plan to be legendary. I have no issues with anyone but I'm for what is right. Do you think you did the right thing?

Merited you for posting 3 liner post for the 2nd time. Keep up.

I don't really know why you keep on pushing your thing. I have been thinking about this issue starting yesterday and I couldn't keep on worrying since I don't want my account to be destroyed. I've already explained my side, if that isn't enough for many aside from you, I am willing to expose part of my security which is my IP address used and ask my suspected alt Plvbob0 to post his as well. I hope we shouldn't reach that far.

You show disgust who post alts right.  Would you not be disgusted if I use it to join signature with my primary account?

It's funny how alt accounts are being used to continue to insists on putting negative trust to those who have been accused here. Why not post here using your main account and speak for yourself. Some accused members have already state their reason. So there's no reason to put fire with the issue. There are some cases that need to be consider before making some judgement and I can see why some DTs not doing so.

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I have some monero coins dont disgrace their name here.

I remember cheezcarls last month where he brag about him ranking up with merits and then saying sorry for spamming and then caught providing services to plagiarize contents. awwwh he got morals alright!  He contributed in the forum but it didn't stop him from getting banned.

So are we going to let this slide because they did contribute and 2 alt accounts enrolled in a signature campaign violation is nothing?

Thanks for that. Well, they can really defend it and even moderators can balance the situations since they contributed things here in the forum, but rules are rules and we have to abide it, even notable users can't escape that fact. Even if I haven't opened it there will be users that will do, the thing if other users will find it and their opinions never heard that will be the worst-case scenario. This thread will never be locked up, it might be if all are done, I challenged them to step on the limelight and clear if this isn't right.

Mate, don't pull that negative trust thing that is out of the question.

Just want to correct this statement, that isn't the sole purpose DT has been made for there is more to it than that.

Ban evasion doesn't need negative feedback. Report this to moderator and they will ban him. DT or MS has nothing to do here. DT are for tagging scammer and likely to be scammers.

So as a DT and Merit source of the Local board, what can you say about the case of ban evasion with sheenshane? Do you still need to hear his side? Or you just don’t want to give negative trust?

Well, I'm still the admin and creatir of that group, it is an open community. It's not that I will randomly ban anyone without further investigating on what happened. I just needed to know the reasons.

But as you have made already a decision and left, there's nothing I can do about it. As for the issues, well you do have a point but as of now lets just hear their side and let them defend themselves...after all, they have already contributed many things on our local.

Nope it wasn't, it was on the very last post of plvbov0070 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/plvbob0070-2449551

When I am looking at an account I really start at the very end of their posts and just at one look, you'll see it. They explain themselves and I think that will do it and I guess a neutral tag will be applicable to observe them or simply observe them.

Thanks for making it clear. I was wondering if there's another evidence linking both accounts aside from telegram since this is the second time that's why I brought it up. If none, my curious mind tells me that OP found out the connection during the competition.

Thanks for the input YOSHIE and cabalism13 I really appreciate it and especially your dedication in our local board, I really respect it. I'm just glad they explain themselves.


Yeah, I know but even though that's an old issue the truth will always prevail as I said yesterday this isn't the first time I take into account of busting a ban evader or something similar, those aren't an issue those are truth they need to face and I ask them one more time to prove their innocence in this thread, if not I'll still respect it. If there could be a reason behind it I think I use to do this and it's somehow they broke a rule and I've seen it.


I have no grudge on them, you can ask them if there is. Well, I left because I don't want to mark myself as a person who likes eavesdropping there's even one user there that asked you to ban me, so without further ado, I left on my own accord. Rules are rules and I think they know that. Why I did this? I think I am doing this stuff way back, nothing else.

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Okay, let's take a look how sheenshane handle a ban evasion case.

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When it comes to ban evasion, DTs can't really do anything. It's more of a moderators' thing to choose whether to ban them or not.

Thanks for the effort. I appreciate that. You can see based on what you have given that we're not linked to the same addresses it's because this account is not his alt.


I know that it's really unacceptable to cheat in the forum especially that I have also earned a small amount of your trust but I'm not guilty of the accusation because I know I'm not violating any rules here in the forum. I'm just trying to do my best here. I'm working hard to give quality posts and I just want to clear my name with this issue.

Alright, we got too much drama from plv and devonaire now I want to hear the side of Sheenshane since that’s a clearly ban evansion? Let’s just support what is right here and let them justify themselves, DT’s will decide.

Thanks for this things @YOSHIE, I simply do not wang to get biased here but I didn't see this coming, just had some transactions with plvbob0 and I really didn't think that he was an alt of someone.
Just for everybody's peace of mind, such cheating will never be tolerated. I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANYTHING THAT IS HARMFUL TO THE FORUM.
It's a good thing this has been brought to the public and from what I see, Debonaire and Plvbob0 is already out of the hot seat. Even though it was really a bad move...


To All of the USERS on PILIPINAS Section:
If I were you, make a post were you will state your alts or any connected accounts to your main. So if something like this will happen again you are safe.

(Also to other Good Merit Earners: Please avoid ang shady things I simply do not want to feel bad for myself)

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@OP, you're quite good enough as far as I can tell, but I think digging an old issues will not get you in to something. I simply do not defend them but knowing them it's not that they've been doing something wrong. Aside from ban evading - from that we might not also know if there's a reason behind it.

Do you somewhat hold a grudge on them? You were once on my GC on telegram and then you just left is it because of this post? And doesn't to be questioned about why you did this? - just wanted your explanation though.

There must be a lot more than these busted accounts. Damn. He took away the opportunities of others who honestly wanted to join the campaign but his alts took it.

I do not want to be involved in this problem, the first problem has been resolved and Debonaire217 has changed referring to the initial topic and has acknowledged it, and not repeated the mistake.

I think he realized the advice of the people here.



Greed can self-destruct.

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It seems that for some other evidence it seems better, to prove that @ Debonaire217 is Alt @plvbobo, but I have not found it to make @Debonaire217 a suspect of fraud.

If I judge on what he says.


@rhomelmabini.
There are some things that can be taken, from the words @ Debonaire217, so I want to see the transactions and bpip they use.

I don't want to say that @Debonaire217 and @plvbobo, Alt or not.
Now talking about the btc and bpip addresses that both of them use.

At least btc in @Debonaire217 wallet, can point to @plvbobo wallet and vice versa, but in reality it's different.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53593643

Btc sent by: @Debonaire217 does not lead to @plvbobo recipient.

2. Tx: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/070747ecafac7d92bf2ab6f2ab45149ad39f96317934e236f8de18a8dd24a72c



The password has not changed:
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Debonaire217

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So the decision in the matter of both of them is Alt or not, cheating or not, give some of your opinions here in the assessment, of course, that makes sense and can be accounted for.

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If there is other evidence, the stronger they point to the Alt who is having an affair, post here, maybe some DT will make a decision.

What I didn't get is why you gave him your alt account in first place? Why didn't you encourage him to create a new account?
At least you could leave each other a neutral feedback explaining the relation between you.
I don't see how giving your account to your friend could be different from selling it!

Suspected accounts - Yes - but the work I've submitted there is original themed, bitcointalk coldkey card.

Up to now, we're still suspected alt account despite of us doing our best on our own to create topics.

Here's my point of view:

Since I know plvbobo in person very well, I very much appreciated if he's creating good posts so I prioritze to give him my smerits. That is, to encourage him to posts better much more.

I don't think the idea of a merit abuse is there, because for me, giving merits just to someone posting one liner post multiple times is more likely to be considered abuse. But the fact that I gave him merits for good posts even if it goes above a hundred times for me is still considerable.

I know you also experienced how hard it is to achieve a higher rank, and I've achieved that from the time that I became sincere here using this account Debonaire217.

- correction, I didn't get disqualified from the coldkey competition, My work just didn't made it to the top 10

Merited you for the effort. I also doubt that you did this for merits.

Isn't this the second time that debonaire and plvb were suspected to be alt accounts? If I remember correctly, those two accounts were disqualified in a competition related to the bitcointalk 10th anniversary. I'm not sure if that was the coldkey. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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This may be not related to the thread but I just want to say that OP already mentioned doing something like this in our local board.

His recent report could also be related to these posts:

They are not still excused because they are still on the hot seat and those statements above from them do not explain the credibility of the accounts that it changes hand, it isn't cool to see that they'll just admit it this time after they've been caught.

Bestchange is out of the case, so I think we must not include bestchange on the issue. Yes some tagged are all from Bestchange signature participants but its quite rude to suggest these Bestchange Campaign abuse and Signature campaign abuse.

Sound's credible to me but of course this will depend on DTs decision. I see how @plvbob0070 and @Debonaire217 work on their rank up and many have noticed that they are good poster not just on our local thread but also outside this section. I think many will testify here even DTs.

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I'm not a DT member and my words here wouldnt mean anything I just say what I observed on those two accounts Ive mentioned on what Ive noticed and saw during those time they are actively posting and sharing here in forum. DTs should check out and have vivid investigastion before laying such punishment.

This how DTs think and writes well. Not just waiting for other DTs to tag those who has been reported in this post and put tagged once there someone started. That's lame.

I have to read a little bit more, seems the Debonaire217 was kind of pardoned last year, so if there is no crossing of the word he gave that time, see no reason to ruin him yet.
Don't get me wrong, i don't like all these greedy cheaters out there, trying to farm accounts and only thing they post are one-liners, on the other side I hate to destroy accounts. This guy - Debonaire217 seems to have post some good stuff, really like the Art - bitcoin house thing (I didn't see myself in the house.. WTH! /jk) so as I said, we are not the inquisition here, but every case needs its own research.

So do you want to leave negative trust? Everything here is bad except that these two accounts are quite positive and receive a lot of merit  But I think this is just a small case in this forum, I believe there are still so many people like that in this forum. As long as the user is experienced enough to use the information privately, they will not be detected, in this case, something too old can sometimes harm them 

Damn, the first two accounts I actually have merited some posts,there were some damn good posts. Sometimes you see some good users, they turn out to be abusing the forum.
It's a pity to see this happening again, I though people have learned their lesson already.

You got a merit, even that you didn't want one.

Great!!!!!!!!!!   The explanation is good and convincing, then, you hope that nothing happens? If this is the case, maybe I should buy some bitcointalk account with hero member ranking, then later, I give it to my friend, give it to my family, we write together, working together and participating in a signature campaign to make money   or I can use them all, work hard with 5 accounts and make about $ 200 a week, and anytime I was got found out, I'll ask my friends to use them to testify, sounds great  

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Anyone can create a challenging topic like you, which is not enough to say anything

I want to brought this topic up from way back before. link

I've already accepted all my mistakes on here from before when I don't have any merits at all because I use multiple accounts but this time, I couldn't accept the blame. I've experienced how hard it is to rank up from this forum and I know how bad it is to use multiple accounts. I've changed from the moment that I've earned a single merit from what I've stated from the link.  

What I can say, I only use this account, and not plvbobo that is one my account before that I've decided to give to my friend. All his merit is because of his own hardwork.

I am aware of the rules from the time that I take this forum seriously, There's no rules that prohibit someone to give account to someone who really wants to be part of the forum.

You can check previous posts of both of our accounts.

Lastly, For me, It is really hard to accept this blame if you really did your best to contribute to the forum.

Someone please track our IP's, please tell them we're not the same person .I don't want to lose my hardwork/account Debonaire217.

That's what I noted on the very top of it because even if I haven't seen it or dig for it for sure there will be anyone that will do. I challenge those who have been reported to go on the limelight and explain themselves this is a matter of reputation not to persecute them. This isn't about hate, jealousy (what I am to be jealous with?) and merit whoring because I can live without it, that isn't the one that processes my metabolism.

Glad to have you explained it @plvbob0070 still there's doubt especially if you look at the connection I've made from the bottom. Other DTs will take a look at the situation. Thanks for your explanation.

No, not a ban. This is an act of fraud, the ultimate, they must be removed from the campaign they are participating in and the accounts must be tagged at the same time, which means they do not have the opportunity to participate in any Any other campaign, there should be no tolerance here. Are you talking about tolerance for thieves? No, this guy must be punished  

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EDIT:Anything else? Your family, brother, sister, father, mother, ... There are hundreds of people who explain like you before  I know some of the accounts were tagged, then they explained that they were in a group, they were friends of each other, then they got a second card with group cheating, what would you do at here?

Year 2018 when plvbob0070 was created but after that, it stopped being active because it is indeed Debonaire217 who created this account. He gave me this account last 2019 because I was just new to crypto and had no idea. Believe me or not, we're friends and he's my schoolmate and he's also one of those who helped me when I was just starting. When he confessed about the alt accounts, I'm already handling this account.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52957166

After I got this account, I started and tried being active and it was only a year after the creation.
I didn't even try looking at the previous posts of this account because I wasn't expecting this kind of thing. And I'm not guilty of any accusation. My only fault is that I didn't check this account that he gave me before. He created this account and gave it to me and that's it. I have no idea and connection with those other accounts.
Debonaire217 was very active from the start but plvbob0070 wasn't because, during that time, he already gave me the account.
 
Let's also wait for his response.

Good catch OP although I feel sad for some of them as they have been very active and obviously they spent a lot of time and effort to build their accounts.
Maybe admins will take that in consideration and give them a temp ban instead of a perma ban!

Yes, of course I can, but the feedback from a member who is not in DT as me will not have much effect  It will become an unreliable response from the perspective of the other members or even the default trust system 
His trust still be:   not much effect here, so waiting for DT members to tag is absolutely good compared to my personal efforts.

Great job, OP. The title is pointing finger to Bestchange but they have no fault here, it is my opinion. If you agree, can change the title in "Bestchange Campaign abuse" or "Signature campaign abuse by alt", your wish although.

You are DT of your own and allowed to tag anyone if you think they deserved to be tagged.

I feel quite surprised with this case  Both plvbob0070 and Debonaire217 accounts are very active and receive a great deal of merit from the community  This user seems to be pretty good at maintaining both accounts at the same time and still keep the positives. By using two accounts in the Bestchange campaign, it means he is making about $ 140 from it every week LOL. He is violating one of the most important rules in signature campaigns, a deadly greed  Waiting for DT here to tag  You should also notify this topic to Bestchange's signature campaign 

Note: This isn't for merit whoring especially to those that I've reported here since all of them are from our local and I've read it . This isn't an issue that I'm jealous of because I never did mean it that way, I've been busting those who plagiarized, those who have alt accounts and those who evade their ban, this isn't the first time. If you think you will be banned then appeal for it, that will be biased if I'm just busting some foreigners. If this isn't true then explain it here that it will be easy for us to know the truth. Don't merit this post they'll think I'm into that.

Number 1: Multiple accounts enrolled in a campaign + merit abuse

4 Accounts Connected:

plvbob0070
Debonaire217
rricksu
ronwewee

Proof:

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Related Addresses:



Miscellaneous:

You can find more of his alt here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52956253
And he admits it here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52957166 Archived


1. Debonaire217
2. oppo070
3. debby070
4. elite070
5. Dobby070

>>> plvbob0070 //// you can see the connections. I'm just glad you made it this far to rank those accounts to Sr. Member

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Numbers 2 and 3 are just digging in from the reports of the past on the Known Alts of anyone.

2 Accounts Connected:

Nivir
Darker45

Proof:

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Related Addresses:


Miscellaneous:

The report of @marlboroza can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18742913 and I think that is the best connection I can think of and that Nivir was banned just this 2019 meaning user Darker45 is evading the ban.
More connection can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16643000

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Nivir

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3 Accounts Connected:

BTCeminjas
jhongzjhong
sheenshane

Proof:

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Related Addresses:


Miscellaneous:

The same case as above it's "ban evasion". He may have edited those if you'll see it but luckily there are quotes that don't lie and you can't hide it. As I've said above this is digging from past reports and seems this one been abandoned by the reporter since he's not online for over 2 years now. You can find the report here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33333291

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=BTCeminjas