Its indeed a great idea .If some how constant evolution of the system from simple to complex objects (just like in natural evolution) then results could be ground breaking .
The co-creator of
Kademlia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kademlia),the basis of DHT (modern p2p file sharing alogorithm) has initiated--
Tonika – System for distributed social routing
(from official page http://5ttt.org/
A (digital) social network, which (by design) restricts direct communication to pairs of users who are friends, possesses many of the security properties (privacy, anonymity, deniability, resilience to denial-of-service attacks, etc.) that human sociaties implement organically in daily life. This is the only known decentralized network design that allows open membership while being robust against a long list of distributed network attacks. We call a digital system with such design an organic network and the security that it attains for its users — organic security. Organic networks are extremely desirable in the current Internet climate, however they are hard to realize because they lack long-distance calling. Tonika resolves just this issue.
Long-distance calling
At its core, Tonika is a routing algorithm for organic networks that implements long-distance calling: establishing indirect communication between non-friend users. Tonika is robust (low-latency, high-throuhgput connectivity is achieved in the presence of significant link failures), incentive-friendly (nodes work on behalf of others as much as other work for them), efficient (the effective global throughput is close to optimal for the network's bandwidth and topology constraints) and real-time concurrent (all of the above are achieved in a low-latency, real-time manner in the presence of millions of communicating parties).
Some application areas
Internet (bandwidth) neutrality. Freedom, no-censoring and no-bias of speech on the Internet. Scalable open Internet access in all countries. User ownership of data and history in social applications. Cooperative cloud computing without administration. Etc.
Open source
Tonika is an open source project on Google Code and a chunk of theory on arXiv.
State of affairs
Tonika is, in fact, already functional with a good list of features. It is engineer-friendly but not user-friendly just yet. I am inviting organizations, who think Tonika may be of use to them, to contact me for potential collaboration. At the same time, I am inviting enthusiastic hackers (with C/C++ knowledge) to join the team and help me make the final steps to turning Tonika into an end-user app.
About the author
Petar Maymounkov, author of Tonika, is previously known as the co-creator of the Kademlia DHT (distributed hash table).
Topic: Just throwing an idea out there: Distributed decentralized MOO/Second Life hybrid virtual universe? (Read 1317 times)
March 06, 2011, 11:34:29 AM
Re: Just throwing an idea out there: Distributed decentralized MOO/Second Life hybrid virtual universe?
March 05, 2011, 07:00:46 PM
I haven't really thought all that much about this yet, lots of details hazy or simply missing; i thought about posting here cause some people here might be able to contribute ideas and with some luck might even kickstart the project.
Two main "components" in the idea:
* The platform: A flexible and expandable bootstraping user modifiable environment, with object oriented capabilities ("object" in the programming sense)
Somthing like a MOO (Multi-Use-Domain Object Oriented), but completly abstract at first, concepts like "rooms", "avatars", motion, spatial relations etc created from scratch from the basic elements; it should allow anything, want 4 dimensional spaces, go for it, non-euclidian space, no problem, fractal dimensions, why not, 2d grid based environment with portals, sure. And the same way you define things, you define what is said on the network; for example, if you are working in a rooms based environment, besides defining the geometry of the room, you define how to translate raw parameters into a text description for text based clients, how the geometry is sent to 3D rendering clients, the physics involved with touching walls, friction, materials, textures etc, define access control and so on (inheriting things when useful instead of writing from scratch) . Protocols standardization would be based on popularity and community interactions.
* What the platform will run on: distributed decentralized processing and management network (somthing kinda like what Bitcoin and Freenet do)
People would run server nodes on their machines, contributing spare and/or donated processors cycles, storage space, bandwidth etc to run the backend. People would have ways to define what sorts of things get done, how much resource to use etc; both lower level and within the platform custom programing (choosing which types of worlds to (co)host, restrict to things owned by a certain identity or groups of identities, what things from a certain type of world or even from a certain world to deal with etc) ; so depending on who is offering the resources and the rules programed on specific universe types, individual universes, world types, individual worlds, item types and individual items etc, anything from anonymous wikilike virtual environments to highly controlled corporate 3d chatrooms and beyond can be done. And kinda like with Freenet, storage would get redistributed with the goal of keeping commonly accessed data closer (based on network speed and latency, not physical distance), but also do it in a redundant way both for load balancing and for resiliency purposes.
I guess some of the key goals are:
* Do not depend on centralized servers
* Do not assume the platform developers can think of all possible ways the users may use it and therefore do not impose any hardcoded behaviors (don't assume people will always use a 2d screen, don't assume people will not want to fly, don't assume people will want humanoid avatars, don't assume people will expect moving in a straight line will always move away from starting position, don't assume people will want to restrict who will be allowed to obtain and use copies of their creations, don't assume people will want static environment geometry, don't assume two people are expected to see the same scene the same way, don't assume people will use text based or 3d clients, don't assume communications will happen via TCP/IP or similar etc)
Basicly kinda a distributed, decentralized "anarchist" virtual multiverse platform capable of mimicking and exceeding all virtual environment platforms out there and being twisted to suit anyone's needs and desires without getting in the way of anyone else twisting it to suit their different needs and wants (could even become kinda like the Internet (or equivalent) in the future as described in many different fiction works, "sites" can be anything from a room to a whole planet to an interactive virtual newspaper to somthing that requires a virtual computer with a virtual screen running a oldschool browser rendering HTML text to a surface; and where you can be a floating giant version of your wetware head, floating eyes, a smell, nothing, just your shadow, millions of intelligent independent point-like entities etc, you enter into games as if it's just another place you go except it applies certain restrictions on what you can be, what you can do etc, but you can still pull out a game gun in any place (that doesn't restricts you from doing it), ride game vehicles in shared public areas etc)
Two main "components" in the idea:
* The platform: A flexible and expandable bootstraping user modifiable environment, with object oriented capabilities ("object" in the programming sense)
Somthing like a MOO (Multi-Use-Domain Object Oriented), but completly abstract at first, concepts like "rooms", "avatars", motion, spatial relations etc created from scratch from the basic elements; it should allow anything, want 4 dimensional spaces, go for it, non-euclidian space, no problem, fractal dimensions, why not, 2d grid based environment with portals, sure. And the same way you define things, you define what is said on the network; for example, if you are working in a rooms based environment, besides defining the geometry of the room, you define how to translate raw parameters into a text description for text based clients, how the geometry is sent to 3D rendering clients, the physics involved with touching walls, friction, materials, textures etc, define access control and so on (inheriting things when useful instead of writing from scratch) . Protocols standardization would be based on popularity and community interactions.
* What the platform will run on: distributed decentralized processing and management network (somthing kinda like what Bitcoin and Freenet do)
People would run server nodes on their machines, contributing spare and/or donated processors cycles, storage space, bandwidth etc to run the backend. People would have ways to define what sorts of things get done, how much resource to use etc; both lower level and within the platform custom programing (choosing which types of worlds to (co)host, restrict to things owned by a certain identity or groups of identities, what things from a certain type of world or even from a certain world to deal with etc) ; so depending on who is offering the resources and the rules programed on specific universe types, individual universes, world types, individual worlds, item types and individual items etc, anything from anonymous wikilike virtual environments to highly controlled corporate 3d chatrooms and beyond can be done. And kinda like with Freenet, storage would get redistributed with the goal of keeping commonly accessed data closer (based on network speed and latency, not physical distance), but also do it in a redundant way both for load balancing and for resiliency purposes.
I guess some of the key goals are:
* Do not depend on centralized servers
* Do not assume the platform developers can think of all possible ways the users may use it and therefore do not impose any hardcoded behaviors (don't assume people will always use a 2d screen, don't assume people will not want to fly, don't assume people will want humanoid avatars, don't assume people will expect moving in a straight line will always move away from starting position, don't assume people will want to restrict who will be allowed to obtain and use copies of their creations, don't assume people will want static environment geometry, don't assume two people are expected to see the same scene the same way, don't assume people will use text based or 3d clients, don't assume communications will happen via TCP/IP or similar etc)
Basicly kinda a distributed, decentralized "anarchist" virtual multiverse platform capable of mimicking and exceeding all virtual environment platforms out there and being twisted to suit anyone's needs and desires without getting in the way of anyone else twisting it to suit their different needs and wants (could even become kinda like the Internet (or equivalent) in the future as described in many different fiction works, "sites" can be anything from a room to a whole planet to an interactive virtual newspaper to somthing that requires a virtual computer with a virtual screen running a oldschool browser rendering HTML text to a surface; and where you can be a floating giant version of your wetware head, floating eyes, a smell, nothing, just your shadow, millions of intelligent independent point-like entities etc, you enter into games as if it's just another place you go except it applies certain restrictions on what you can be, what you can do etc, but you can still pull out a game gun in any place (that doesn't restricts you from doing it), ride game vehicles in shared public areas etc)
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