JustBit.io scamming again so much for No KYC for Crypto

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Quote from: coolcoinz on December 15, 2023, 01:36:00 PM

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So the rules changed half-way. If the casino is the one that changed the rules, it should allow users who registered before such rule was made to clear their accounts and stop gambling, or undergo KYC.

I bet that many of these people who just want to play a game or two, aren't aware that their money will be confiscated by the casino on the slightest infraction.
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By this logic, OP's situation actually didn't favor him, because the rule has been established for around two years, and I think OP made his account only recently, thus signed up when the rules has been changed.

I noticed OP was not returned online both on this forum or on CG to address the development of the situation. I wonder if he finally did the KYC and got his account reinstated.

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No KYC for crypto players, only means one thing in English : No KYC is required when you are a crypto player. Doing the opposite, especially after accepting deposits, is a scam, and certainly a criminal offense in most countries even if they have written something else in small characters somewhere in their ToS. Cryptoplayer111 is not a company he is just a random consumer who has decided to play at this casino because they claimed(and still claim) to not require KYC when you play with cryptos. I hope Crypto Guru will lower their grade, because they're obviously dishonest and untrustworthy. In addition they use a similar name to a real No KYC casino (because it's a Web3 one) Just.bet, so I guess they do it on purpose.

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So the rules changed half-way. If the casino is the one that changed the rules, it should allow users who registered before such rule was made to clear their accounts and stop gambling, or undergo KYC.

I bet that many of these people who just want to play a game or two, aren't aware that their money will be confiscated by the casino on the slightest infraction.

If they access a site that advertises as non KYC, they're expecting to see no KYC and if they can't undergo said KYC they expect to have their money returned to them, the way banks do it. If you send money to a bank and the bank decides they no longer want to deal with you, it will return your deposits and close the account. A bitcoin exchange will usually do the same. They will ask you for KYC, if you don't agree to it, they won't allow you to trade, but deposits will be returned to you.

Casinos are so far the only business group that steals deposits. It's especially striking when a casino steals deposits from users that did not break any rules ( so there was no access from a restricted country, no account sharing) but they don't want to undergo forced KYC.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on December 14, 2023, 12:02:38 PM

That's the important part. The casino doesn't have the right to punish you for breaking your local laws and confiscate your money because of that.

Actually, the terms and conditions of many casinos state that you are required to abide by the laws and regulations in your territory as well. Many terms also make it clear that you aren't allowed to use the casino services if you live in a country that bans gambling or specifically online gambling/offshore gambling, etc.

Quote from: coolcoinz on December 14, 2023, 12:02:38 PM

I'm talking about advertising as a non KYC casino and demanding KYC from a user. Something like that is 100% planned by the casino to steal money from users who will get tempted by this advertising because they value privacy.

When the OP signed up, it was no-KYC. He made two successful withdrawals without identifying his identity. The days of no-KYC licensed casinos are over. It's possible up to a certain degree and then they'll want to know who is behind the account.

On the other hand, if OP stopped using the casino following his second withdrawal, it would have remained a no-KYC experience for him. Unfortunately, it didn't.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on December 14, 2023, 12:02:38 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on December 13, 2023, 02:44:37 PM

I am not defending false advertisement but I also don't agree with what you just said. If you are underaged, then you aren't supposed to gamble. It's against the rules of online casinos and most probably against the law in the country you live in. If you live in a country where online gambling is against the law, you are breaking the law by gambling. If you don't have an ID, then we are probably going back to the first issue where you are underaged and shouldn't be gambling.

That's the important part. The casino doesn't have the right to punish you for breaking your local laws and confiscate your money because of that. Imagine that you live somewhere in Africa and they ban bitcoin there. Suddenly a casino located in Virgin Islands steals your money because they found out you're breaking your local law. This is ridiculous.
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Eh? But they do have the right to "punish" those who break the local laws being mentioned above, it's part of their compliance, and it's been stated on the Tos that the user agreed, that they acknowledge they are not underaga, nor accessing from restricted country.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 13, 2023, 02:44:37 PM

I am not defending false advertisement but I also don't agree with what you just said. If you are underaged, then you aren't supposed to gamble. It's against the rules of online casinos and most probably against the law in the country you live in. If you live in a country where online gambling is against the law, you are breaking the law by gambling. If you don't have an ID, then we are probably going back to the first issue where you are underaged and shouldn't be gambling.

That's the important part. The casino doesn't have the right to punish you for breaking your local laws and confiscate your money because of that. Imagine that you live somewhere in Africa and they ban bitcoin there. Suddenly a casino located in Virgin Islands steals your money because they found out you're breaking your local law. This is ridiculous.

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You can't possibly know that. OP has said that he used a UK VPN that he needs for his work while he was gambling at Justbit. Most casinos don't allow the use of VPNs or similar software that mask the original IP. Plus, the UK is a prohibited territory on Justbit. How can you be surprised that the casino wants to check who they are dealing with in such a situation?

I'm talking about advertising as a non KYC casino and demanding KYC from a user. Something like that is 100% planned by the casino to steal money from users who will get tempted by this advertising because they value privacy.
If he was banned for VPN use, it's a different story.

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Hambach sees a legal article published by German civil law expert Professor H Köhler as a way forward. There are only three factors that should cause an operator to return a player's losses, Professor Koehler argues.
All losses incurred by minors must be reimbursed, and players who can prove they were misled by a brand pretending to be licensed will be eligible. Gambling sufferers will also be able to claim recovery if they can provide medical evidence of their condition.

So far, the lawyers manage to return the money for the bettors who lose it on unlicensed sites. But it may change and with only 3 reasons to force them to return it

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Quote from: coolcoinz on December 13, 2023, 12:15:59 PM

That's correct. Also, promoting as non-KYC site and requesting KYC is scamming through false advertising. They know this is going to attract people who somehow cannot do KYC anywhere else because they're underage, or live in a country where gambling is banned, or don't have a valid ID, or their documents would have to be translated. Then this casino gets that person's money and asks for KYC. If they do it, the casino returns the money, if not - keeps it. Even if only 10% of players fail to do KYC it's free money for the scammers.

I am not defending false advertisement but I also don't agree with what you just said. If you are underaged, then you aren't supposed to gamble. It's against the rules of online casinos and most probably against the law in the country you live in. If you live in a country where online gambling is against the law, you are breaking the law by gambling. If you don't have an ID, then we are probably going back to the first issue where you are underaged and shouldn't be gambling.

Quote from: coolcoinz on December 13, 2023, 12:15:59 PM

This is 100% planned by the casino, so I'd stay away from it.

You can't possibly know that. OP has said that he used a UK VPN that he needs for his work while he was gambling at Justbit. Most casinos don't allow the use of VPNs or similar software that mask the original IP. Plus, the UK is a prohibited territory on Justbit. How can you be surprised that the casino wants to check who they are dealing with in such a situation?

Criticizing a casino for false advertising and at the same time justifying or explaining that a player might have lied, broken the law, the casino rules, and masked his geo location doesn't go hand in hand. It's all wrong.

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Quote from: hugeblack on December 10, 2023, 01:25:26 AM

Any site for multiplying money or guaranteed profit is good to be real and therefore a scam. From Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdrawal, you should have made sure that they were scammers, and even if you were able to withdraw, you have helped them rob another investor who may deposit more and not be able to withdraw. .

That's correct. Also, promoting as non-KYC site and requesting KYC is scamming through false advertising. They know this is going to attract people who somehow cannot do KYC anywhere else because they're underage, or live in a country where gambling is banned, or don't have a valid ID, or their documents would have to be translated. Then this casino gets that person's money and asks for KYC. If they do it, the casino returns the money, if not - keeps it. Even if only 10% of players fail to do KYC it's free money for the scammers.

This is 100% planned by the casino, so I'd stay away from it.

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Quote from: holydarkness on December 12, 2023, 01:09:13 PM

...but I think it's kinda fair that they returned the original fund.

That's the way it should be. It's not their money, it belongs to the player, and the player has a right to get it back if they don't want to verify their identity for whatever reason. But to get the winnings, which includes the casino's money, they will have to agree to their request. By signing up and accepting the T&C, they are governed by those rules. KYC is a part of it.

Quote from: holydarkness on December 12, 2023, 01:09:13 PM

As for why they didn't enforce KYC from the very beginning, one casino explained that they're always threading between legal compliance imposed into them by the govt. and the privacy of their user. Thus, they didn't enforce it until it's necessary, mostly when a ToS is brached, for the purpose explained above, and/or large sum of fund is being involved.

It also depends on the regulator and license the online casinos posses. Cucaraco is the least strict gambling license. I think casinos regulated by the United Kingdom Gambling Association must carry out the KYC procedure during registration and before the players start to play. Maybe Malta's MGA license is similar.

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Quote from: logfiles on December 11, 2023, 05:25:01 PM

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 10, 2023, 04:57:33 AM

You are not going to get your winnings. That would then defeat the purpose of their KYC request. They freeze your funds so that you have to undergo KYC, not turn them down and still get paid.

It doesn't defeat the purpose of KYC. What defeats the purpose of the KYC or AML policies is not enforcing it from the very beginning before a user deposits anything. By denying the client winnings, the casinos are giving themselves a bit of an advantage and to me, it's not right. If the same client lost, they wouldn't care.

Granted, many casino probably use KYC to turn a situation in their favor, most likely perhaps small and questionable casino [I think this one included]. But bigger ones mostly use them fairly, to identify someone and prevent further abuse by tying an identity to some findings [IP, username, etc.]

Though I can't recall the name and the detail of the case [I think it's rollbit?], I remember there was a case where a casino refund user's deposit because he refused to do KYC. Not the winnings, as that'll defeat the purpose of the KYC/AML, like Pmalek said, but I think it's kinda fair that they returned the original fund.

As for why they didn't enforce KYC from the very beginning, one casino explained that they're always threading between legal compliance imposed into them by the govt. and the privacy of their user. Thus, they didn't enforce it until it's necessary, mostly when a ToS is brached, for the purpose explained above, and/or large sum of fund is being involved.

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

Wait a moment, before you can consider them scammers, have you first reason along to their request that you needed to provide them all necessary informations, KYC is what can be place demand on at any time as long as you're trying to make withdrawals, this has nothing to do with AML yet, you will just have to go through their normal procedures, if they are suspecting for KYC then it has to be in a more advanced way than you're seeing, and they wouldn't engage that unless your account was connected to a fraudulent transaction or you have a huge sum for withdrawal.

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Quote from: logfiles on December 11, 2023, 05:25:01 PM

It doesn't defeat the purpose of KYC. What defeats the purpose of the KYC or AML policies is not enforcing it from the very beginning before a user deposits anything. By denying the client winnings, the casinos are giving themselves a bit of an advantage and to me, it's not right. If the same client lost, they wouldn't care.

There are even traditional fiat online casinos that work similarly and allow you to start playing after signing up without performing KYC. You can find them by searching for a keyphrase like "no verification" casinos. Despite that, there will come a time when they will ask you for KYC. That could be when you want to withdraw, or if you deposit and wager above a certain threshold, etc.

OP will have to perform KYC if he wants his money. It's as simple as that. When I said that releasing the money without him undergoing identity verification defeats the purpose of it, I meant in this particular case, not generally. Justbit wants more information about the player. As Mahdirakib showed in his post above, it looks like OP made a mistake and played with an active VPN with a UK IP. They now want to know who he is, where he lives, and what territory he played from.

Should they have verified all this with a proper KYC at the beginning, sure. But crypto players don't want the traditional way of online gambling.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 10, 2023, 08:50:30 AM

- The site displays no notifications and you can freely access it with a UK IP. I tried two different ones, and both worked.

So, there is a loop in the geo-blocking system of JustBit. OP's last post has been made public on Casino Guru today, where he has said this

Quote from: https://casino.guru/justbit-casino-player-s-crypto-withdrawal-has-been

Please note I play from Brazil not UK. I have updated my residence country my work vpn was active still signing up to submit complaint it registed me as UK (dual citizenship, I'm resident in Brazil, working for uk company)

OP use UK VPN for his work, maybe he has played at JustBit while his work VPN was active. OP also mentioned that he has dual citizenship. Perhaps, the casino has asked him to complete the KYC verification for his IP address. I think the casino will allow the OP to withdraw his account balance (deposit and winnings) if he can prove his citizenship in Brazil through the KYC verification. Moreover, JustBit is partially responsible for the inconvenience as their geo-blocking doesn't work properly.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 10, 2023, 04:57:33 AM

Me too, but the crypto community doesn't want that. I made a poll somewhere in the gambling section. The results showed that people don't want to do KYC immediately after registration and prefer doing it only if they are asked later. These are the results of that.

Almost all of us here hate KYC but if a platform must apply it then it should be done right as soon as one signs up just like most centralized exchanges do. Some casinos are using KYC verification to their advantage. Lose all the bets, and they won't care if the Bitcoins are dirty or not Grin

, win one bet and try to withdraw then all of a sudden, they need to know who you are and where the money comes from.

Maybe most of the community members were/are ignorant about what's going on.

Quote from: Pmalek on December 10, 2023, 04:57:33 AM

You are not going to get your winnings. That would then defeat the purpose of their KYC request. They freeze your funds so that you have to undergo KYC, not turn them down and still get paid.

It doesn't defeat the purpose of KYC. What defeats the purpose of the KYC or AML policies is not enforcing it from the very beginning before a user deposits anything. By denying the client winnings, the casinos are giving themselves a bit of an advantage and to me, it's not right. If the same client lost, they wouldn't care.

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@OP: beside marketing claims, have you checked their online reputation? or just have a read of their ToS?
How did you end up on this site and why did you initially want to trust and entrust to a first deposit?

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This site is a scam Cheesy

this scheme is now very popular in Germany and Austria.
if you lose the deposits you hire a lawyer and he sues the sites for offering gambling without a license for the country. you win for sure and get your money back
the fault lies entirely with the site, the user is not responsible

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on December 10, 2023, 08:33:41 AM

He said that the value of his balance is $300 on Bitcointalk, on CasinoGuru he mentions $400. Perhaps it will go up to $1000 on AskGamblers. But seriously, the amounts don't matter.
You are correct that Justbit.io doesn't allow players from the United Kingdom to use the site. It's the player's responsibility to ensure whether or not they can rightly play there. If he is from the UK, I doubt they will release his winnings.

On the other hand, I have just tried accessing the casino using a VPN and different IP addresses. Some other banned countries, besides the UK, include the USA, France, and Germany. Very typical of Curacao-licensed casinos.

Here are the results:
- The site displays a notification and doesn't allow you to access it if you are using a German, French, or US IP.
- The site displays no notifications and you can freely access it with a UK IP. I tried two different ones, and both worked.

This is far from ideal, and there should be an IP block if a particular region is banned from playing. Still, every individual is responsible in following rules and laws themselves.

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only.

A licensed casino with the identity verification rules mentioned in the terms may request the user to complete the verification at any withdrawal amount. Casino just show an excuse to request the KYC documents, which isn’t true in most of the cases. The only way to get your withdrawal is to complete the KYC verification.

Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

It is true that JustBit is running their business with a misleading information on their homepage. Unfortunately, you won't be able to do anything as the rules of the terms are the main source for a casino to take steps against the user. You have submitted a complaint on Casino Guru with your issue, where you have introduced yourself as a resident of the United Kingdom. You are responsible for the inconvenience if it is true. Because, JustBit doesn't accept the players from the United Kingdom, and it is mentioned in their terms. Your complaint: Justbit Casino - Player's crypto withdrawal has been delayed.

Quote from: holydarkness on December 09, 2023, 02:01:36 PM

They're owned by "Casbit Group, N.V.", the same company that own "0xBet" [no, not related to 1xBit], so in all technicalities, they're also under this representative, though I can understand if the contract for the said representative didn't cover "representing justbit" under his job desc.

You will notice a lot of casinos under the same company, but those could be operated by individual owners and team members. That's why the representative of 0xBet has said that. FYI, there are more casinos under Casbit Group, N.V. company. Another example, don't be surprised with the number of casinos under DAMA N.V. company.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on December 10, 2023, 03:22:13 AM

But wait a moment..
why is most people always afraid of kyc knowing too well that such casino /gambling site do require kyc does it mean they aren't reading their ToS before signing up in those site?
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OP's main issue here is the marketing made by justbit. On their site, they give a banner where KYC is not required [see below]. It was a "clever" marketing because, in a way, it's an open statement. "No KYC", as long as you follow their condition, they're still allowed [as the players agreed] to ask for it when they deemed it.

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 04:36:39 PM

I mean I dont mind giving ID but giving ID to some random casino that can then be potentially used for fraud...
The whole point in playing crypto is to get away from that endless circle of documentation and giving some random place enough details to steal your identity!!

That's becoming a thing of the past. More and more services will be asking for KYC because that's what regulators require them to do. The big and flashy we don't require KYC is usually followed by a terms and conditions apply notification in small letters or some other note hiding the obvious. And then when you go and read it in more detail, you find out that you are giving them the right to ask for any documents they need if you want to withdraw your money.

Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 05:19:30 PM

Was aware, but those t&cs also exist on other casinos where I have withdrawn thousands and thousands without being bothered once.

In that case, all I can suggest is stay with the casinos you have a positive experience with and avoid jumping from site to site, especially if you are doing it for the welcome offers and bonuses that are almot impossible to obtain anyways due to the ridiculous wagering requirements.

Quote from: logfiles on December 06, 2023, 06:04:02 PM

I prefer a casino that;
1. Asks a client for KYC the very first moment they want to make a deposit if they are really serious about their KYC/AML Policies. Not only applying it when they make a win.

Me too, but the crypto community doesn't want that. I made a poll somewhere in the gambling section. The results showed that people don't want to do KYC immediately after registration and prefer doing it only if they are asked later. These are the results of that.

Quote from: logfiles on December 06, 2023, 06:04:02 PM

2. Returns all the client's funds (deposits and winnings) and close the account if he refuses to perform KYC verification.

You are not going to get your winnings. That would then defeat the purpose of their KYC request. They freeze your funds so that you have to undergo KYC, not turn them down and still get paid.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on December 09, 2023, 05:48:21 PM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on December 09, 2023, 03:41:20 PM

most casino often say no KYC but when there is a huge winning this same casino or gamble site would still asked for your details to enable you make withdrawal.

The casino never pretended to be a "no-kyc casino and OP didn't hit a big win.
OP, I didn't play at justbit before but as far as I can see, your accusation is not valid. The casino didn't scam you or steal anything from you. They just asked you to verify your identity. As you already know, this is something they have the right to do, as per their ToS which you have agreed to. So what's your complaint all about?

But wait a moment..
why is most people always afraid of kyc knowing too well that such casino /gambling site do require kyc does it mean they aren't reading their ToS before signing up in those site?
Op needs to lock this thread since is a wrong accusation because no scam, if he do carry out the kyc he might be allowed to make his withdrawal without any issues, however we should be very mindful on how we quickly rushed to accused site especially when not having patient with their requirements.

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Any site for multiplying money or guaranteed profit is good to be real and therefore a scam. From Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdrawal, you should have made sure that they were scammers, and even if you were able to withdraw, you have helped them rob another investor who may deposit more and not be able to withdraw. .

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on December 09, 2023, 03:41:20 PM

most casino often say no KYC but when there is a huge winning this same casino or gamble site would still asked for your details to enable you make withdrawal.

The casino never pretended to be a "no-kyc casino and OP didn't hit a big win.
OP, I didn't play at justbit before but as far as I can see, your accusation is not valid. The casino didn't scam you or steal anything from you. They just asked you to verify your identity. As you already know, this is something they have the right to do, as per their ToS which you have agreed to. So what's your complaint all about?

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

Perhaps, the amount involved in the 3 withdrawals you initially made were very little, that's why you weren't required to undergo KYC, now you've a balance of $300 and you must comply with their KYC procedures or forfeit your funds or it could be that KYC is newly introduced. Well, this is just a speculation, but I've one advice for you, before creating an account on any gambling platform, take sometime to read through the dotted lines carefully, if you won't undergo KYC, then don't proceed on signing up.

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Quote from: holydarkness on December 09, 2023, 02:01:36 PM

OP, I am not sure if you're willing to do KYC just for $50 so I am not sure what will you do to resolve this... situation. In all fairness, as other has pointed out, it's there in their ToS, so they can't be blamed for this. Nonetheless, I understand the annoyance. Next time, if you're looking for non-KYC casino, may I suggest you to consult to this very useful thread by Mahdirakib, Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements?

I know is bad to face kyc but op should learn one thing in common that most casino often say no KYC but when there is a huge winning this same casino or gamble site would still asked for your details to enable you make withdrawal. Then again op should learn to have patient while using casino's because whenever a fund is deposited in their custody they would try all their best to manipulate people's kyc in order to frustrate them not withdraw their funds.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 06, 2023, 02:55:07 PM

Do they have an ANN on the forum.

I don't think they do, my search returned no ANN thread.

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They're owned by "Casbit Group, N.V.", the same company that own "0xBet" [no, not related to 1xBit], so in all technicalities, they're also under this representative, though I can understand if the contract for the said representative didn't cover "representing justbit" under his job desc.

OP, I am not sure if you're willing to do KYC just for $50 so I am not sure what will you do to resolve this... situation. In all fairness, as other has pointed out, it's there in their ToS, so they can't be blamed for this. Nonetheless, I understand the annoyance. Next time, if you're looking for non-KYC casino, may I suggest you to consult to this very useful thread by Mahdirakib, Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements?

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Quote from: pinggoki on December 07, 2023, 11:58:25 PM

That's a bad way to do business, lying to your customers whom they've trusted that they're not going to need any type of KYC to play there and from what OP had said, the withdrawal came from a win so how the hell can that be a possibility that the money comes from a money laundering operation? It's weird thay they've allowed OP to withdraw 3 times with no problem and then do this stuff, maybe OP really did flag some identifiers for a money laundering that the team has put in their site or they're just being an asshole, the only way that I can think that OP has created this kind of problem is that the last 3 withdrawals were consistent to a schedule or something like that.

Theres no schedule and what kinda money laundering operation deposits $50 a few times in a month, previous withdraws i think were all between $100-$200ish. Ofc they just being assholes because suddenly you win a few dollar and they dont like it so you are "suspicious" for withdrawing a win because they expect all customers just to lose the lot!!

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Quote from: Potato Chips on December 06, 2023, 02:48:07 PM

They may not require a mandatory KYC but that doesn't mean they can't request if from you since most gambling websites have KYC/AML policies which you have probably triggered. I'm not necessarily saying that the trigger was valid, but merely laying out that they're there which could cause your situation.

That's a bad way to do business, lying to your customers whom they've trusted that they're not going to need any type of KYC to play there and from what OP had said, the withdrawal came from a win so how the hell can that be a possibility that the money comes from a money laundering operation? It's weird thay they've allowed OP to withdraw 3 times with no problem and then do this stuff, maybe OP really did flag some identifiers for a money laundering that the team has put in their site or they're just being an asshole, the only way that I can think that OP has created this kind of problem is that the last 3 withdrawals were consistent to a schedule or something like that.

Quote from: Potato Chips on December 06, 2023, 02:48:07 PM

Honestly, these services should start going with "no mandatory kyc" instead of "no kyc" so it's clearer but I guess the latter works better for them, ahem.

That's the same thing for many people though? The semantics and the meaning of the words will just be the same for some people and at the same time it's going to confuse them anyway. When it comes to this stuff, there's no grey area, it's either there's a KYC or there's no KYC.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on December 07, 2023, 09:56:43 AM

Before you accuse a casino of scam attempt, you too should have a back up for your claims because you can not be here accusing people of what you do not have proof and backup evidence against them. Do well to present your facts and figures about your claims rather.

If you want attention as desired, you should quickly do the needful by presenting facts and figures at hand as to back up your claims.

Possibly you did not read their terms and conditions of service before engaging with them otherwise you would not be complaining. This is the reasons why people are advised to properly take out time to read through terms and conditions before making deposit with casinos so as not to have any issues when withdrawal of wins. People fail to understand this aspect of organisation's.

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

Before you accuse a casino of scam attempt, you too should have a back up for your claims because you can not be here accusing people of what you do not have proof and backup evidence against them. Do well to present your facts and figures about your claims rather.

If you want attention as desired, you should quickly do the needful by presenting facts and figures at hand as to back up your claims.

Possibly you did not read their terms and conditions of service before engaging with them otherwise you would not be complaining. This is the reasons why people are advised to properly take out time to read through terms and conditions before making deposit with casinos so as not to have any issues when withdrawal of wins. People fail to understand this aspect of organisation's.

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

I am not surprised. It's a clear message that they hate when you win and probably want to make your life hard on the platform until you abandon it. This is a common practice with some casinos, and I don't like it any bit.

I prefer a casino that;
1. Asks a client for KYC the very first moment they want to make a deposit if they are really serious about their KYC/AML Policies. Not only applying it when they make a win.
2. Returns all the client's funds (deposits and winnings) and close the account if he refuses to perform KYC verification. Not using a client's funds as a ransom to acquire his KYC documents

Check this thread: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 06, 2023, 02:55:07 PM

Do they have an ANN on the forum.

I don't think they do, my search returned no ANN thread.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 06, 2023, 02:55:07 PM

From the recent update what I get is, a service with no KYC is going to be banned on the forum LOL

Were you talking about the upcoming ban on mixers? I think they should be fine since they have KYC/AML policies* + no mixing function (as far as I can see).

*= saw them marketing their service with "no kyc for crypto users" but they still have KYC/AML policies that indicate they can request it any time if they deemed so.

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 05:19:30 PM

Yes I replied and asked and they said it was for security risk and potential money laundering/fraud.. which of course is ridiculous considering the tiny sums involved..any excuse not to pay out

So you won't go with their KYC? And will just go along with their "excuse"?
You know what banners (no kyc) are for? Its just marketing gimmick, you should read other information more, they obviously have their kyc page[1] means that they ask for that, not mandatory though because you said you already got a successful withdrawal before. It only means that they have limit user overall withdrawals, and other stuff to required KYC.
And isn't most casino asked KYC? You should know better than that, and ready yourself anytime a casino ask for it

[1] https://justbit.io/policy/kyc

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Quote from: acroman08 on December 06, 2023, 05:07:49 PM

similar issues like this have been posted against them before, I am not siding with the casino but this is why it is extremely important to read their Terms and Conditions and not just what they advertise on websites or their webpage.

did they specifically mention that the KYC was because of money laundering or fraud suspicions? the KYC request could most likely be just because of their normal procedure just like how they said on their ToS that after registration gamblers shall provide valid identification under KYC.

Was aware, but those t&cs also exist on other casinos where I have withdrawn thousands and thousands without being bothered once.. they put those t&cs as a condition of licence no doubt however *some* decent crypto casinos are not KYC anyway

Yes I replied and asked and they said it was for security risk and potential money laundering/fraud.. which of course is ridiculous considering the tiny sums involved..any excuse not to pay out

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

similar issues like this have been posted against them before, I am not siding with the casino but this is why it is extremely important to read their Terms and Conditions and not just what they advertise on websites or their webpage.

Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 04:36:39 PM

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did they specifically mention that the KYC was because of money laundering or fraud suspicions? the KYC request could most likely be just because of their normal procedure just like how they said on their ToS that after registration gamblers shall provide valid identification under KYC.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 06, 2023, 02:55:07 PM

How much was your total deposit?

I would understand if it was large amount of money but its only the equivilant of $50 ish on each deposit in DOGE
I have been lucky enough to make a few withdraws of around $200 from them plus another win which is now being KYC

Its so obvious KYC has nothing to do with money laundering or fraud, who would try to do either with $50 Cheesy

It has everything to do with me winning so lets put a stop to that withdrawal..

I mean I dont mind giving ID but giving ID to some random casino that can then be potentially used for fraud...
The whole point in playing crypto is to get away from that endless circle of documentation and giving some random place enough details to steal your identity!!

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Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

Justbit again, I remember responding to a thread back then when a user came to the forum with this same issue about them having the “no kyc for crypto” and yet they requested the user to complete his KYC verification before he could make withdrawal.

I’ll ask that you take a look at this case at casino.guru^[1] to see if you did the same thing that this user was accused to have done that led to his account being confiscated by the casino.

[1] https://casino.guru/justbit-casino-the-player-s-verification-failed

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Quote from: Potato Chips on December 06, 2023, 02:48:07 PM

Honestly, these services should start going with "no mandatory kyc" instead of "no kyc" so it's clearer but I guess the latter works better for them, ahem.

Do they have an ANN on the forum. From the recent update what I get is, a service with no KYC is going to be banned on the forum LOL

Quote from: cryptoplayer111 on December 06, 2023, 02:06:39 PM

have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

That's how all crypto gambling sites advertise their product. You need to read the terms and conditions if you decide to deposit large money.

How much was your total deposit?

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They may not require a mandatory KYC but that doesn't mean they can't request if from you since most gambling websites have KYC/AML policies which you have probably triggered. I'm not necessarily saying that the trigger was valid, but merely laying out that they're there which could cause your situation.

Honestly, these services should start going with "no mandatory kyc" instead of "no kyc" so it's clearer but I guess the latter works better for them, ahem.

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First, the format you use to report your scam is not correct. You need to use the right scam accusation format to make things easier.

Secondly, you don't just need to believe whatever welcome note you see on a platform, be it a casino or any other platform that requires you to entrust them with your money. Always make time to go through their T&C and see what they say about your account registration, withdrawal, and deposit, and see if they truly do not care for KYC.

I just did a quick search and found out that some other members of the forum have already figured out the KYC part and quoted it in a thread where someone asked for it. I will quote their terms and conditions for you to see where they clearly state they will request KYC.

Quote from: https://justbit.io/policy/kyc/

Know your customer (kyc)

After registration process the User shall provide JustBit with valid identification information under these Know Your Customer (KYC) procedures. The User shall undergo KYC procedure after completing the registration of User’s Account and:

   Before first withdrawal of funds irrespective of the amount;
   In case of a deposit for the sum equal to or exceeding 2000 euros or its equivalent in virtual currency;
   In case of depositing in amount of 7 500 euros (or its equivalent in virtual currency) or more (by several installments) by the same User during a month.

You can either give the KYC a try if you want to get your withdrawal out of there or you can let it go and don't hope on getting the money out. Maybe the previous withdrawals were not yet up to the amount where they requested KYC, and this your last request could be what clocks it up to that. Maybe that's the reason for the KYC request, just my guess.

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Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

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