Topic: Justify Negative Reputation (Read 1674 times)

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The overall point that I am trying to make is that accepting PayPal funds from someone who can prove they are sending from an account associated with their own identity is not any more safe then accepting PayPal funds from someone who is sending from a PayPal account associated with someone else's identity (with the consent of the "someone else"). Both are very high risk, and neither should be accepted from someone who does not have a long history of being trust with significant amounts of money.

The "fraud" that you describe is not hurting anyone in itself.

Sure. And I have the right to not trust anybody attempting to commit fraud in the name of privacy. You're welcome to trade with the likes of the OP.

There is an easy way to protect oneself from Bitcoin "reversals". No such thing with PayPal. I know you're arguing just to argue but you're also trying to establish a false equivalency that may confuse someone.

No I agree that you can commit fraud with a purchased PayPal account, however you can also commit fraud with a PayPal account that you create yourself with your own identity. This is why an appropriate response to someone offering proof of their identity to someone who will accept a PayPal transaction is that proof of identity will not protect against a chargeback.

I am not 100% certain on this, however I believe the "limits" that PayPal places on accounts will prevent the account holder from withdrawing any money from the account because there was some trigger that the account tripped. I believe that by default accounts are not "limited" however I am really not familiar with the inner workings of PayPal.
Bitcoin is reversible (or something that has the same effect as reversing a transaction). There are a fairly decent number of examples of when an unconfirmed transaction has gotten double spent, and an example or two when a transaction that was confirmed (at the time) was double spent.

Yes, technically using a PayPal account with someone else's name attached to it is technically fraud, however if you are using Ron Roe's PayPal account (with his consent) but your name is John Doe, you are really not hurting anyone and the fact that the name is different is not going to change the fact that someone is doing PayPal related business with you.

Regardless of if PayPal is reversible or not, people do still have their right to privacy.

You're not aware of potential ways to commit fraud with a PayPal account that doesn't have your real name on it and doesn't have limits that you would otherwise have? Come on, you're just trolling now.

Nice try comparing it to Bitcoin. You can't reverse a Bitcoin payment so it doesn't matter much if the counterparty is pseudonymous. PayPal is not pseudonymous by design and for a good reason. Buying and selling PayPal accounts is fraud in itself and an avenue for further fraud. No need to agree with me, it's a question of trust and I know we don't see eye to eye on these matters.

I'm not disputing your statement, I should have made that clear, sorry. Just saying the OP shouldn't try to use that as an excuse.

I cannot comment on the OP's specific situation, and I would say that it would probably be a bad idea to accept PayPal funds from the OP in any amount.

With the above being said, many people were very upset when Bitstamp started requiring people to verify their identity prior to processing any kind of withdrawal. Many people did not like the fact that they could no longer trade bitcoin on bitstamp while staying anonymous.

I would think that some people might apply the same logic to dealing with PayPal. They may not want to reveal their identity to PayPal to be able to conduct business with PayPal. I am also not aware of any potential ways that someone could commit fraud with a purchased PayPal account that they could not do with any other PayPal account. I would say that using a purchased PayPal account would be somewhat similar to using bitcoin in a sense that both would enable someone to be pseudonymous (but would not have the other benefits of Bitcoin). 

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The forum does not moderate scams and there is a lot of shady shit going on. Do you really think that argument can make you more trustworthy?

Not entirely sure where you are coming from. I simply posted a correction to the person I quoted regarding Paypal and what they use to verify accounts.

Additionally, if buying Paypal verification is illegal, how come no one takes action in deleting/cleaning out multiple members' thread on selling Paypal verification?

Actually, I wanted to just cash out my funds there, exchange it to bitcoin, and then return it back to the owner. That is why I encouraged users to post in my thread. The offers weren't even close to reasonable, reaching from $60-100 and coming from Newbies who wanted me to send first.

Even if that's the case it still doesn't excuse OP to bypass those restrictions by purchasing an account or by purchasing a verification (although I suspect the latter "service" is just plain scam). The OP is basically saying that he/she can't verify identity with PayPal but wants to use PayPal to trade here so fraudulent verification is acceptable. I disagree.

Paypal does indeed ask for personal documents to verify accounts. Being as I have had a fully verified PP account for years now I know this beyond any doubt considering I have had to repeatedly send them pictures of my photo id, SS card, and assorted other stuff over the years when they would limit me for random stuff.

The only way to remove limits on an account is by sending them personal documents.

The reason I didn't reply to you is that you claimed you removed the thread but it was still there. Actually it's still there even now:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/40-paypal-need-bitcoin-1436529

I did not accuse you of carding. My feedback is publicly visible to anyone and if there is any concern about my PM - here it is:

Suck it up, you earned the trust by seeking to do shady deals--buying PayPal accounts is beyond shady. And it doesn't matter what you say about it either, because honest people and scammers both say they're honest.  Since we have no idea which you really are, you have to be judged by your actions. 

I'd like to call out on suchmoon giving me negative feedback because of suspicion as I tried to buy a Paypal account and trade $40 in Paypal at the same time. He accuses me of carding and being a bought account even though I have no intentions of doing such thing. I locked my thread and moved it to Archives and explained myself in the thread and in PM. After I asked him to remove it since I had no intention of scamming, he didn't reply anymore.

Anyway, all I needed was to redeem my points in OneClass which was worth at least $40 in Paypal. Hopefully, this can be resolved.

Throughout my ~6 month stay here at BitcoinTalk, I have never even dared to scam another user. Now that I am a FM, I'd like to maintain my reputation as clean. Please don't stain it because of presuption.

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MagicIsMe