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Topic: Justin Trudeau's Crackdown Will Make Bitcoin and Cash More Popular (Read 135 times)

legendary
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Cash is on an unstoppable trend of declining use by the population and I doubt very much that things like this will recover its use in a significant way. Besides, many people think: "I'm not doing anything wrong, why should I care if all my card transactions are recorded".

Regarding the part of the population that cares about their privacy, I see more of them using Bitcoin or other privacy coins than going on to pay for absolutely everything in cash. We have to think that many things that we pay by direct debit today and that were paid in cash 50 years ago, we are not going to pay them in cash anymore.

I think the same way as well, using cash will be a reversal of the trend that we are seeing of people preferring electronic means of payment over using something more physical like cash.

Besides even if cash can be used at will it is still printed by the government, so in a way you are still part of their ecosystem by using it, so if someone is interested in resisting the oppression of banks and governments then using something like bitcoin makes the most sense to me.


Now that we have currently bore witness on how bad the Emergencies Act is on Canada, think of a future that CBDC has been widely implemented and adopted by YOUR government. There would be no more asking the banks to comply, no "emergency acts" needed, it will merely be a kill-switch by the people behind the Central Bank.
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Cash is on an unstoppable trend of declining use by the population and I doubt very much that things like this will recover its use in a significant way. Besides, many people think: "I'm not doing anything wrong, why should I care if all my card transactions are recorded".

Regarding the part of the population that cares about their privacy, I see more of them using Bitcoin or other privacy coins than going on to pay for absolutely everything in cash. We have to think that many things that we pay by direct debit today and that were paid in cash 50 years ago, we are not going to pay them in cash anymore.

I think the same way as well, using cash will be a reversal of the trend that we are seeing of people preferring electronic means of payment over using something more physical like cash.

Besides even if cash can be used at will it is still printed by the government, so in a way you are still part of their ecosystem by using it, so if someone is interested in resisting the oppression of banks and governments then using something like bitcoin makes the most sense to me.
legendary
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There is also another debate that Justin Trudeau's crackdown might increase the demand for tumbling/mixing services, and wallets with built-in CoinJoin like Wasabi and Samourai. Bitcoiners will never stop being Bitcoiners because of the ban. In fact, it will only make our conviction stronger.
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To think that crypto could help these people are the same thing to say that crypto could be used to fund anyone that government doesn't want. Look at it at paper value, you are saying it is a good thing because you may support these people, you could be anti-vaxx yourself and because of that you could see these people as heroes.

I understand that you think these people should be getting their money and blocking them from getting their money is bad. All of that is understood and accepted, I get it. However, if you look at paper value, it says "there are bunch of people government seems as dangerous and people want them to use crypto to avoid government". That could apply to a lot of terrorist organizations as well, you are aware of that right?

We have terrorist organizations that governments are trying to stop, and if they use crypto, you wouldn't support them, and yet on paper this is the same thing. Just because it is some truckers from Canada doesn't change that it is the same governmental approach.
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I have seen a few posters on bitcointalk remark upon canada's asset freeze potentially fueling a bank run. Nigeria's central bank implemented a similar policy last year when banks closed the accounts of nigerians dealing in cryptocurrency. Which may have initiated a backlash against banks fueling greater support for bitcoin and crypto in the region.

Canada's Emergencies Act which granted Justin Trudeau power to freeze the assets of convoy protestors was revoked yesterday:

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/breaking-justin-trudeau-set-to-revoke-emergencies-act

The crackdown lasted 1 week. Is it safe to rely on banks and gofundme now? Will people remember this happened 2 weeks from now.

I for one was very surprised at the public outcry in response to the freezing of convoy protestor assets. It would appear that with COVID the public now follows the news and current events closer than usual. Could we be witnessing a shift in culture. Where many who previously prided themselves on avoiding the news and current events (some have said its unhealthy to watch the news as only negative and depressing things are published there) have bucked the trend and began to make greater strides towards being better informed.

It could make BTC and crypto popular, but until we can transfer those funds into real-life uses like buying food, gas, paying loans, mortgages, electricity, etc then there is not much use for it. So a large-scale adoption is needed to have BTC in the backburner and a reliable option if other options fail. Maybe situations like this, the war in Europe, bad economic situations in Africa could prompt more widespread adoption of Crypto into real-life uses, but governments are those who have the final say on that.
legendary
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I was really surprised to see a progressive nation like Canada had to resort to such inhumane act like bank account freeze. It was totally unexpected! However, such kind of incidents actually give more power to bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency that has value. I believe a similar thing happened during the Hong Kong protest as well during China's invasion. So yes, the protestors will be better prepared for the future.


I had a debate about that with family members during a weekly family dinner. Maybe of them found it laughable to call the action inhumane. But looking more deeply what that action is, as an act of cutting people from one of their sources of survival, and to feed themselves and their families, it is truly inhumane.

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But this is something, that will give more reasons to the government not to legalize bitcoin. So while it will increase the popularity of bitcoin among to commoners, it will also earn bad names among the government and enforcement officials because it's a very effective way to avoid government restrictions. So it is a coin with two side to it.


Legal or illegal, Bitcoin will be used where it will be needed, and it starts in freezing bank accounts. Cool
legendary
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I was really surprised to see a progressive nation like Canada had to resort to such inhumane act like bank account freeze. It was totally unexpected! However, such kind of incidents actually give more power to bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency that has value. I believe a similar thing happened during the Hong Kong protest as well during China's invasion. So yes, the protestors will be better prepared for the future.

But this is something, that will give more reasons to the government not to legalize bitcoin. So while it will increase the popularity of bitcoin among to commoners, it will also earn bad names among the government and enforcement officials because it's a very effective way to avoid government restrictions. So it is a coin with two side to it.
legendary
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What Justin Trudeau is doing in Canada will be an introduction to what a CBDC world will be like for many countries in my opinion. I believe it will not look like it at first, but slowly they’ll be “adding features” that slowly takes away your freedom. Save some of your money in Bitcoin.

They can already freeze bank accounts without CBDC easily. All the banking institutions are aligned with the government and will take orders from them at will. Now, CBDCs could cut out the middleman. Instead of cooperating with the banking institutions to freeze funds, the government could just do it themselves. But I question whether that would make any difference. Canada was able to freeze these accounts without any evidence that the holders of the funds did anything illegal, and the banks just accepted the premise that the funds needed to be frozen.
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There’s no stopping BTC from getting adopted or as an alternative way in raising funds for a special cause like what the Canadian truckers are doing. The Supreme Court is sending a letter to Nunchuk ordering the BTC funds to be freeze, only to receive a classic response that it’s non-custodial and have no control over it.

Even if Canada chooses to make a move in banning BTC, citizens can’t be stopped from buying and selling through P2P. As long they put BTC in a non-custodial or hardware wallet, it cannot be freezed or seized unless the authorities are using “force” to hand over the private keys to them and transfer to the government’s wallet.
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     With all the things that are happening with the world right now, there really is bound to be a huge number of traffic coming into this industry sooner or later since after all that has happened, most people specially those who only read about the good things related to this industry will inevitably see crypto as somewhat a saving grace. Skeptics will always be there I know but again, with the world being as it already is, pressure syncs in with the minds of people and self preservation will push a need for finding better options and that is crypto.
legendary
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What Justin Trudeau is doing in Canada will be an introduction to what a CBDC world will be like for many countries in my opinion. I believe it will not look like it at first, but slowly they’ll be “adding features” that slowly takes away your freedom. Save some of your money in Bitcoin.
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Multiple occurences of such crisis will actually crash the cash as well because now Russia is invading Ukraine so Ukraine people can't be able to use their banking system which literally destroy their fiat, they can survive with the gold but its not really convenient to have 1KG of Gold than having 1 BTC sitting in your wallet.
In conditions and conflicts like what is happening in ukraine, of course fiat money will be difficult to use, besides if the conflict continues, of course the economy will also have a negative impact and it is certain that banks will stop operating in war-torn countries, as you said, when there is an emergency of course storing and carrying gold is a risky thing, especially when we have to take extra care of it when an evacuation occurs, but if we have BTC in our wallet, I think it will be easier to carry as easily as we carry cellphones in our pockets without any suspicion from anyone.
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Multiple occurences of such crisis will actually crash the cash as well because now Russia is invading Ukraine so Ukraine people can't be able to use their banking system which literally destroy their fiat, they can survive with the gold but its not really convenient to have 1KG of Gold than having 1 BTC sitting in your wallet.
legendary
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It will be a slow downfall for cash, and IMO it might take at least another decade before people completely shift to something else other than cash. Mobile payments are slowly making their way into the society, and so far they are being accepted quite nicely. Regarding crypto, however, it will take a lot of getting used to before people recognize its potential on counteracting such moves from the government.
legendary
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Cash is on an unstoppable trend of declining use by the population and I doubt very much that things like this will recover its use in a significant way. Besides, many people think: "I'm not doing anything wrong, why should I care if all my card transactions are recorded".

Regarding the part of the population that cares about their privacy, I see more of them using Bitcoin or other privacy coins than going on to pay for absolutely everything in cash. We have to think that many things that we pay by direct debit today and that were paid in cash 50 years ago, we are not going to pay them in cash anymore.
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By invoking emergency powers and freezing the assets of Freedom Convoy protesters, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau makes clear that civil liberties protections mean little when the government can deny you access to your money. That financial weapon has been used in the past not just in autocracies but also in democracies against controversial (to some) businesses and organizations. But by targeting political protesters in a supposedly free country, Canada's government reminds us of the importance of keeping at least some resources beyond the reach of the state.

"This is about following the money," Canada's Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland threatened on February 14. "This is about stopping the financing of these illegal blockades. We are today serving notice: if your truck is being used in these protests, your corporate accounts will be frozen. The insurance on your vehicle will be suspended." The Canadian government promptly seized assets.

Justice Minister David Lametti added that donors to funds supporting the Freedom Convoy are also targets. The government subsequently backpedaled, but donors have been doxxed and threatened (Americans are likely beyond the reach of all but finger-wagging). Under the Emergencies Act, the Canadian government inflicts financial punishment on its critics without due process.

"It's a Western version of China's social credit system that does not altogether prohibit political dissent but makes it so costly that it becomes impractical to the ordinary citizen," David Sacks, former PayPal COO, writes of Canada's financial measures against protesters. Earlier, Sacks warned that we should expect a wave of firms denying services to those who don't share their ideology. "What I could not have anticipated is that it would occur first in our mild-mannered neighbor to the north, with the Canadian government itself directing the reprisals," he marveled.

Actually, this isn't the first example of governments conscripting private companies against targets that otherwise enjoy legal protection. Credit card companies have been pressured into denying services to suspected sex workers, and the U.S. federal government's Operation Choke Point cut off gun dealers, payday lenders, and sex-oriented businesses from banking without the muss or fuss of proving any illegality.

"The clandestine Operation Choke Point had more in common with a purge of ideological foes than a regulatory enforcement action," Frank Keating, former governor of Oklahoma and previously an FBI agent and U.S. Attorney, wrote in 2018. "It targeted wide swaths of businesses with little regard for whether legal businesses were swept up and harmed."

Since then, New York officials strong-armed insurance companies and banks into shunning the NRA. Cannabis businesses have difficulty opening bank accounts over regulatory fears. And independent ATMs are becoming scarce because the government hates that they dispense cash to just anybody. "A bank that does business with unscrupulous ATM owners could face the wrath of regulators for violating anti-money-laundering rules," The Wall Street Journal reported this week.

But targeting remarkably peaceful political protesters because they annoy officials in an ostensibly liberal democracy is a new step in the direction of a financial police state. And a financial police state is an effective means for officialdom to muzzle opposition without breaking a sweat.

"Without economic freedom you cannot have political freedom," writes economist John H. Cochrane of the Hoover Institution about the fiasco in Canada. "If the government can monitor your transactions, freeze your assets, 'sanction' you, or freeze your ability to transact, to buy or sell anything, it can quickly silence you, stop your political participation, undermine political movements or even aspiring individual politicians."

Understandably, financial assets that aren't so subject to government whim have become more attractive. Many Canadians reportedly withdrew cash from banks, either because they feared their accounts could be frozen, or were frightened by the prospect. Cash is anonymous and its use is immune to state intervention (so long as the government doesn't emulate India by turning bills into toilet paper).

In addition, even former skeptics are now open to crypto such as bitcoin as a haven for assets.

"I still can't believe that this is the protest that would prove every Bitcoin crank a prophet," writes David Heinemeier Hansson, a partner in the tech company Basecamp. "And for me to have to slice a piece of humble pie, and admit that I was wrong on crypto's fundamental necessity in Western democracies."

But "Bitcoin is far from universally accepted at stores," Andrea O'Sullivan warns at Reason. "The longer-term solution is to encourage more businesses to accept cryptocurrency so there is no need to bridge into government-controlled money at all."

That may well happen. Seeing the writing on the wall, governments promote central bank digital currencies (CBDC) as alternatives to both cash and crypto. But they openly salivate over being able to monitor and restrict its use. "The Bank of England has called on ministers to decide whether a central bank digital currency should be 'programmable', ultimately giving the issuer control over how it is spent by the recipient," The Telegraph reported last year.

Officials argue that controllable CBDCs could cut down on tax evasion and crime. But Canadian officials freezing protesters' bank accounts emphasizes that there are worse things than underground economies. Independent crypto alongside cash could help people retain their financial freedom.

"Perhaps we want to have government able to deny financial services to criminal organizations (but think carefully about this before you agree)," economist Arnold Kling writes. "On the other hand, we do not want government to be able to deny financial services to people who hold dissenting views. The problem is that nowadays, especially with COVID and with cancel culture, we have become accustomed to criminalizing the expression of dissenting views."

Sacks wants to prohibit financial institutions from denying services for political reasons. But that would be enforced by the same regulators who lean on banks and insurance companies to shun sex workers, gun dealers, and payday lenders. They're supposed to transform into neutral arbiters because the law says so. In the real world, regulators will more likely use expanded power to hurt the enemies of whoever is currently in office in the name of curbing some imaginary threat to public order.

A better solution is preserving cash and continuing to develop crypto that protects privacy and bypasses intermediaries. Even the International Monetary Fund concedes that people seek "a defense against attempts by an all-encroaching 'Big Brother' surveillance state to rob people of their anonymity by forcing them to leave an electronic payment trail." But it's not just surveillance. The Canadian government's excesses remind us that there's no freedom if the state can separate us from our money.


https://reason.com/2022/02/23/justin-trudeaus-actions-will-make-bitcoin-and-cash-more-popular/


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I have seen a few posters on bitcointalk remark upon canada's asset freeze potentially fueling a bank run. Nigeria's central bank implemented a similar policy last year when banks closed the accounts of nigerians dealing in cryptocurrency. Which may have initiated a backlash against banks fueling greater support for bitcoin and crypto in the region.

Canada's Emergencies Act which granted Justin Trudeau power to freeze the assets of convoy protestors was revoked yesterday:

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/breaking-justin-trudeau-set-to-revoke-emergencies-act

The crackdown lasted 1 week. Is it safe to rely on banks and gofundme now? Will people remember this happened 2 weeks from now.

I for one was very surprised at the public outcry in response to the freezing of convoy protestor assets. It would appear that with COVID the public now follows the news and current events closer than usual. Could we be witnessing a shift in culture. Where many who previously prided themselves on avoiding the news and current events (some have said its unhealthy to watch the news as only negative and depressing things are published there) have bucked the trend and began to make greater strides towards being better informed.
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