Topic: Kari Lake Trial SHOCK: 42.5% of Ballots Were Illegally Printed... (Read 144 times)

Arizona Supreme Court May Accept Kari Lake's Appeal, Bypassing Appeals Court - https://arizonasuntimes.com/2023/01/03/arizona-supreme-court-may-accept-kari-lakes-appeal-bypassing-appeals-court/
After Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson dismissed Kari Lake's lawsuit challenging her loss in the anomaly-plagued Maricopa County gubernatorial election, Lake filed a notice of appeal. She also requested that the Arizona Supreme Court immediately take her case, bypassing the Arizona Court of Appeals for several reasons.

"We're going to appeal this," Lake told Steve Bannon's War Room podcast Tuesday. "We think we have absolute merit with this lawsuit, and we're going to appeal it and take it even higher."

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"Arizona GOP gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake has filed a petition to transfer her appeal to the Arizona Supreme Court after her election fraud lawsuit was dismissed."

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The article is very interesting. The people who are going to judge the legitimacy of Lake's appeal need to be careful that they don't perjure their Oath's of Office by the way they judge. We are talking about the spirit of a proper election, not the individual points of what Lake is doing.

We need to be looking at the election as a process. Was the election done correctly? Are we sure? Why and how? Forget about Kari Lake and her emotions and her ideals. Keep our eyes on the election process ideals.

This is going to get nasty. Lake will appeal one way or another.

The Judge totally denied the idea of circumstantial evidence, something that has existed in the courts for ages.

Somebody should start a lawsuit similar to the Brunson suit that is in the US Supreme court... against Judge Thompson, for violating his oath of office.

If Lake wins her suit in a higher court, by the time that this has been done, and she becomes governor, she will have a much larger job in office, cleaning out all the corruption Hobbs will have set into play.


Judge Peter Thompson Rules Elections with Broken Machines in 60% of Precincts and No Chain of Custody for Ballots Are Free, Fair and Certifiable

^^^ But the counting wasn't done in the normal fashion, as the ballots are being fed into the machine. The counting was done afterward, following the time that the mistake was noticed. So, my question is, how were they counted? Note that hand counts are strictly forbidden in Arizona. Besides, we are talking about thousands of ballots. Was there good observation by both major party members to see that it was all done accurately and correctly?

Note that this wasn't a recount. It couldn't be, because there wasn't a count in the first place. The ballosts were originally rejected by the machines that were supposed to count them.

My understanding is the ballots that weren't read properly due to the printing issues were all still counted. Kari Lake's legal team didn't produce evidence that the ballots weren't counted which sunk any chance of this lawsuit succeeding.

^^^ This is one of the problems with bringing many 'points' in the same lawsuit. The suit is one. If one point is found to be false, it drags the whole suit down with it... because the suit is one. The judge has to find an 'outside' reason for rendering the suit dismissed, and in this case, he has to make it look really good so as to not incur the anger of the people, but to pacify them instead.

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Two major example of why their should be a re-election are plain. The Lake team simply failed to bring them before the judge in a way that he could rule on them to overturn the election (if he even wanted to). These points are:

1. The-chain-of custody of about 1/3 of the ballots was broken. That is, ballots were handed from one person to another for storage, or for moving to another location, without a required, signed, receipt between the hand-off. This means that there is nobody to question about where the ballots came from or went to in the time of the hand-off. And, of course, it's a little more complex than simply saying it this way.

2. Thousands or several hundred thousand ballots couldn't be counted by the machines. Why? They were misprinted in a way that makes machine counting impossible. My question is, how were they counted, later in a recount, if such happened? This might be important, because the method of recount might have been illegal.

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The real question is, was there enough of a mix-up so that the election should be redone?

The judges answer was based on a focussing on the technicality of the lawsuit rather than on the point of the need to have a proper election. Probably his mind was made up ahead of time. Possibly he was influenced by the other judges and law people he who advised him. Likely he had to do it this way because of the points and wording of the lawsuit.

The thing that still stands is that the election was not a proper election because of anomalies. And the correcting of the election may never be accomplished, because the powers that be wont allow it easily, and the people who want it done right are too stupid to effectively combat the powers that be.

The lawsuit was tossed, it didn't make any sense.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23547225/lake-lawsuit-tossed.pdf

Kari Lake was expecting there to be evidence of intentional misconduct that would have invalidated the election and declared her victorious. Page 9, court makes their finding of fact, declares Kattie Hobbs the winner.

There were some issues election day, but the Arizona law is that the issues must have been done intentionally. There wasn't any evidence of that.

I don't know if Trump picked picked a single winner in any of these competitive state wide races with this suit settled.

Regarding the election officials who control the logistics of the election, where is the dividing line between themselves being victims of a botched election, or the cause of the election failure?

The point is, they have the authority to make the election work smoothly and correctly. They didn't do this. So, why is the judge and everybody else looking for intent? The point of intent or accident doesn't matter. They botched the job, and they should pay for it... and the election should be redone.

Technically, the judge should act according to the wording of the lawsuit, rather than simply ordering a re-election or something. So, the Kari Lake people better be smart with how they word lawsuits, and the things that they go after. The wording counts a great deal.

I live in Arizona, and just have to comment... Well, honestly, I am speechless .   I watched the trial and this election was botched.  It's a stretch to say it was intentional, but they admitted to having the printer issues in the last 3 elections.

At this point, I am seriously considering moving to El Salvador.

Just to point out, I had read somewhere else that many of the paper ballots were the right size, but the printing on them was an inch narrower than it was supposed to be. This threw off the electronic tabulators so that they rejected the ballots, because they couldn't read them... poor alignment. Then, these ballots were counted in an illegal/inappropriate way afterwards.

Another major point was the 'chain of custody'. As ballots are stored or moved before and after they are counted, they need to have the handlers sign off, on paper, that they transferred the ballots, to or from whom they transferred them, the time, the location, etc. This was not done for about a third of the ballots. This means that nobody really knows where those ballots came from, or how many of them might have been manipulated illegally.


Kari Lake Trial SHOCK: 42.5% of Ballots Were Illegally Printed; Couldn't Go Through Tabulators