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I can agree with you here. We have seen countries totally banning drugs and yet, they still have drug users. So same with this problem, even if their government totally banned gambling, some of these gamblers will find a way how to get around this government protocol. And underground gambling may soon arise instead. Gambling is already part of humanity. So maybe better regulate it rather than ban it. At least the government is getting something from it.

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I agree too, probably regulating and making sure some people don't abuse when providing gambling services (like with addicted machines that don't pay out a prize or whatever) would be a way.

the thing is that the more I see the more I realize government is really inefficient in doing things

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Maybe their income from the local casino is reduced because online gambling has become popular, especially in this pandemic.
So they decide to make that law to force online gambling but if they do not do the same with the offline casino, that will not work because people will still play gambling and go to the offline casino.
But I do not think that migrating to other countries can solve this problem as we do not know the conditions of that country.
So there is no other way for us just to follow their law.

If this is the real reason for the ban, then I won't be surprised. In India, a lot of things are banned every now and then, just because they don't align with the business interests of the politicians. Take the vaccination against COVID 19 as an example. Sputnik V applied for EUA almost 7 months ago. But still, they are not allowed full access, because the ruling party politicians are having a business interest in the competitor (COVAXIN, manufactured by Bharat Biotech). Sputnik V is having an efficacy of 92% compared to 60% for CoVaxin, but the Indian government has so far only allowed trial vaccination with Sputnik V.

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What do you think about it ?
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Well for now --people of Karnataka must follow this introduced bill to avoid punishment, this is too strict and I won't risk my life and be in jail just to gamble. I like the other thread where I was commented, they have a campaign of educating people towards gambling, and instead of banning it, just accept and educate your people for the possible risk that they perhaps encounter. That is the law that we must follow, you can migrate into other countries that dont have banned gambling. But I think this is not new, most Islamic states where gambling was strictly prohibited because this is against their religion and part of their religious belief.

India is not an islamic country, so that's sad to read this kind of news from authorities of this country. But I think they don't do it for the sake of morality but simply to redirect funds from online gambling games to their national gambling games like horse races and lottery, it's just an hypocritical measure in my humble opinion.

Maybe their income from the local casino is reduced because online gambling has become popular, especially in this pandemic.
So they decide to make that law to force online gambling but if they do not do the same with the offline casino, that will not work because people will still play gambling and go to the offline casino.
But I do not think that migrating to other countries can solve this problem as we do not know the conditions of that country.
So there is no other way for us just to follow their law.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 27, 2021, 06:29:20 PM

Online gambling only?

If that's the agreement then maybe Karnataka wants the gambling revenue just to be focused on their physical casinos there. If the state is really in need of revenue as India itself got heavily affected by Covid-19, then they plan very well to solve it. Online gambling becomes a trendy activity while being lockdown as physical casinos are close. But if that applies to all gambling, online or physical, then maybe that state now put an end to any gambling activities.

You are not fully understanding the reason why they came up with such a law. In the neighboring state of Goa, gambling is legal. But many of the casinos have witnessed a decline in revenues for the last one and half years as a result of the COVID pandemic. The casinos are actually blaming online gambling. There are rumors that a number politicians in Karnataka own casinos in Goa. And this is what prompted the government to come up with such a stupid law. But I don't think that such idiotic laws will be taken in to account by the courts.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

Online gambling only?

If that's the agreement then maybe Karnataka wants the gambling revenue just to be focused on their physical casinos there. If the state is really in need of revenue as India itself got heavily affected by Covid-19, then they plan very well to solve it. Online gambling becomes a trendy activity while being lockdown as physical casinos are close. But if that applies to all gambling, online or physical, then maybe that state now put an end to any gambling activities.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

Prior to implementing that law, I think that went in a legal process and there are reasons and factors they looked at why create a law about that. I don't know the gambling situation there but maybe it's really worst and the negative effect of it are now devastating the lives of others.

If the local government there doesn't benefit to gambling, while at the same time, just wrecking people's lives there, it's a good action that they now ban gambling in that area. Legal or illegal gambling, everything is covered.

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What do you think about it ?
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Well for now --people of Karnataka must follow this introduced bill to avoid punishment, this is too strict and I won't risk my life and be in jail just to gamble. I like the other thread where I was commented, they have a campaign of educating people towards gambling, and instead of banning it, just accept and educate your people for the possible risk that they perhaps encounter. That is the law that we must follow, you can migrate into other countries that dont have banned gambling. But I think this is not new, most Islamic states where gambling was strictly prohibited because this is against their religion and part of their religious belief.

India is not an islamic country, so that's sad to read this kind of news from authorities of this country. But I think they don't do it for the sake of morality but simply to redirect funds from online gambling games to their national gambling games like horse races and lottery, it's just an hypocritical measure in my humble opinion.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

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What do you think about it ?
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Well for now --people of Karnataka must follow this introduced bill to avoid punishment, this is too strict and I won't risk my life and be in jail just to gamble. I like the other thread where I was commented, they have a campaign of educating people towards gambling, and instead of banning it, just accept and educate your people for the possible risk that they perhaps encounter. That is the law that we must follow, you can migrate into other countries that dont have banned gambling. But I think this is not new, most Islamic states where gambling was strictly prohibited because this is against their religion and part of their religious belief.

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My question is, why are they only banning one state? because the people out there have high ratings of addiction to gambling or there might be another reason that they don't tell us about. Anyway if this is just a step for something like a drill before putting it as one of their law in the entire country then they're making some good steps here by choosing the most affected state in their country. The other state should be ready as well because this kind of bill will be introduced to their state as well.

Gambling is banned in almost all states of India with the exception of three states. This law introduces amendments that toughen penalties for gambling and I think that this bill is a pilot so it is not immediately introduced throughout the country.

" It provides for enhancing punishment for gambling to wean citizens away from the vice of gambling, extending to three years and fine up to Rs one lakh.

It said the punishment for the first offence would be six months imprisonment and fine of Rs 10,000, for the second, one year imprisonment and fine of Rs 15,000, and for the third offence, 18 months imprisonment and fine of Rs 20,000. Persons aiding or abetting such online gaming would also be punished, it added. "

Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/

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actually not only Kartanaka, i think there are many countries that still ban gambling. even the punishment is great as is said for the one who transgresses it. actually it depends on the rules and traditions of the country itself whether or not gambling is allowed. fortunately in my country gambling is still accepted so there are still many people that join it and many people are helped by it.

There may be countries and territories that ban gambling. But how many of them actually punish the gamblers? If they are punishing the organizers, then I can understand that. They are profiting out of illegal business and that goes against the prevailing laws. But punishing ordinary gamblers is a bit too far. It is just authoritarian encroachment in one's personal choice. I am not sure whether someone can be punished for just participating in gambling. Maybe a monetary fine of $10 or $20 can be justified. But definitely not a prison term.

Violators can be held liable depending on the Bill that surrounds the prohibition in gambling. Just like in Dubai, even the slightest mistake could make a person liable to a hefty fine or imprisonment depending on the degree on of your infraction.

With the bill being introduced in India, I do suspect that their Congress would make the necessary adjustments as to how they would punish violators of such. Completely prohibiting gambling on one state could bring more harm than good (economically) since it gives such state the funding that their government needs for the improvement of the general welfare.

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Before the government investigates us, they need to ask the ISP provider because that is related to our connection and if they find that we use VPN for playing gambling, they can catch us with a search warrant. I hope those people will all be fine and not trying to break their law.

There are certain formalities before the government agencies can request that sort of information from the internet provider. So they can't just randomly check the internet access of some guy who is waging $10 or $20 in online gambling. And for search warrant, the requirements are even stricter. The judge or some other higher ranking official needs to agree to the finding that there is a reasonable suspicion that the individual is engaged in illegal activity. Anyway these sort of stupid laws will be struck down by the courts once someone files a PIL.

You are right. So from that, it is better to play safe and not use a VPN for something that can break our law and not get investigated by the police. Maybe if the rule is applied, people will not touch online gambling but can play offline gambling in a secret place without police knowing. As we know, once a gambler feels the excitement of playing gambling, he will try to come back in the other days and if he can not play online gambling, he will search for the local place to play gambling.

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Quote from: nurilham on September 27, 2021, 04:49:53 AM

actually not only Kartanaka, i think there are many countries that still ban gambling. even the punishment is great as is said for the one who transgresses it. actually it depends on the rules and traditions of the country itself whether or not gambling is allowed. fortunately in my country gambling is still accepted so there are still many people that join it and many people are helped by it.

There may be countries and territories that ban gambling. But how many of them actually punish the gamblers? If they are punishing the organizers, then I can understand that. They are profiting out of illegal business and that goes against the prevailing laws. But punishing ordinary gamblers is a bit too far. It is just authoritarian encroachment in one's personal choice. I am not sure whether someone can be punished for just participating in gambling. Maybe a monetary fine of $10 or $20 can be justified. But definitely not a prison term.

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actually not only Kartanaka, i think there are many countries that still ban gambling. even the punishment is great as is said for the one who transgresses it. actually it depends on the rules and traditions of the country itself whether or not gambling is allowed. fortunately in my country gambling is still accepted so there are still many people that join it and many people are helped by it.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 27, 2021, 01:56:26 AM

Before the government investigates us, they need to ask the ISP provider because that is related to our connection and if they find that we use VPN for playing gambling, they can catch us with a search warrant. I hope those people will all be fine and not trying to break their law.

There are certain formalities before the government agencies can request that sort of information from the internet provider. So they can't just randomly check the internet access of some guy who is waging $10 or $20 in online gambling. And for search warrant, the requirements are even stricter. The judge or some other higher ranking official needs to agree to the finding that there is a reasonable suspicion that the individual is engaged in illegal activity. Anyway these sort of stupid laws will be struck down by the courts once someone files a PIL.

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My question is, why are they only banning one state? because the people out there have high ratings of addiction to gambling or there might be another reason that they don't tell us about. Anyway if this is just a step for something like a drill before putting it as one of their law in the entire country then they're making some good steps here by choosing the most affected state in their country. The other state should be ready as well because this kind of bill will be introduced to their state as well.

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Besides that, it will be easy for the cops to search for where you live to watch what you do while you use VPN. If you do not do something illegal, they will not do anything but will still watch you from somewhere you do not know. The police will react fast when you try to break their rule and at that time, you can get warn from them not to cross that border. If people are still afraid, they do not have to try to use VPN instead use their IP to access the internet as usual.

As I mentioned earlier, the cops can't just break in to anyone's house and conduct a search. For that they need a warrant. You guys should be aware of your rights, else the corrupt cops will take advantage of that. And in order to get a search warrant, the cops need to give good justification. If they claim that the user is suspected of making a few bets on gambling sites, then the judge will just tell them to get out and focus on their other tasks. A search warrant can be obtained only of there is proof to link the user to some criminal activity. And usage of VPN is not enough to get a search warrant.

I am worried if the corrupt cops will take the chance to ask for the money so we do not have to face the law. I see that the police can easily find our mistake, even if that is not a real mistake to drag us to their office and ask for more.

Before the government investigates us, they need to ask the ISP provider because that is related to our connection and if they find that we use VPN for playing gambling, they can catch us with a search warrant. I hope those people will all be fine and not trying to break their law.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 26, 2021, 11:09:13 PM

India is a Muslim country , So expect banning from gambling right? lucky that they are allowing gambling in many areas in which against their religion so everything that comes like this is i believe normal and does not need to be unexpected.

WTF man? India do have the largest Muslim population in the world, but that doesn't make it a Muslim country. Only 15% of the population is made up of Muslims. By your criteria China is having a larger Muslim population than Saudi Arabia. So China should be a Muslim country as well? The reason why they have such regressive stance towards gambling is due to the conservative attitude prevailing in that region. The attitude towards gambling is the same irrespective of whether the majority religion is Hindu (India, Nepal), Muslim (Pakistan, Maldives) or Buddhist (Myanmar, Sri Lanka).

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
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India is a Muslim country , So expect banning from gambling right? lucky that they are allowing gambling in many areas in which against their religion so everything that comes like this is i believe normal and does not need to be unexpected .

Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 25, 2021, 03:34:31 AM

One of the news sources says the ban on online gambling is as a result of numerous complains from the public regarding cyber fraud. The question is, "in this era of VPNs and what-have-you can online gambling be truly ban?" Well, there are 28 states in India and Karnataka is not even the biggest I guess it's just going to affect the state only and not other states. Gambling startups might just have to move to other states without a ban.

https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/karnataka-passes-bill-to-ban-online-games-of-chance-cait-calls-it-setback-to-startups-307297-2021-09-22

cyber fraud issue meaning their government is not that good in handling the situation in which instead of acting professional now they are blaming the gambling? lol this sounds funny.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 26, 2021, 12:32:24 PM

Besides that, it will be easy for the cops to search for where you live to watch what you do while you use VPN. If you do not do something illegal, they will not do anything but will still watch you from somewhere you do not know. The police will react fast when you try to break their rule and at that time, you can get warn from them not to cross that border. If people are still afraid, they do not have to try to use VPN instead use their IP to access the internet as usual.

As I mentioned earlier, the cops can't just break in to anyone's house and conduct a search. For that they need a warrant. You guys should be aware of your rights, else the corrupt cops will take advantage of that. And in order to get a search warrant, the cops need to give good justification. If they claim that the user is suspected of making a few bets on gambling sites, then the judge will just tell them to get out and focus on their other tasks. A search warrant can be obtained only of there is proof to link the user to some criminal activity. And usage of VPN is not enough to get a search warrant.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on September 25, 2021, 08:12:00 AM

The very simple way is to abide the law, so that no consequences will happen. There's no reason to risk your life in gambling, it's not worth it. I'd rather be bored at home thinking of something to do rather than bored in a jail for years and years just because of a bad habit. But if you're good at computers and could outsmart their cyber authority then go for it.

Just relax. No one is going to imprison you if you just use a VPN. Tens of millions use VPN in India and till now I haven't heard about anyone getting arrested just because of that. Even of the parliamentarians come up with some stupid law, the courts will overturn that. Unless there is a clear link towards terrorism or some other criminal activity, the cops can't break in to your house and arrest you (they need a warrant, which I hope you are aware). To gamble or not is an individual choice, and in a truly democratic country the governments would stay away from all this.

That is a good suggestion and it seems I have heard of friends suggesting to use PVN for the safe browsing of the online casino. But how about those casinos that prohibit to use of PVN, they might not friendly in a situation like this. Even though they are banning gambling but still this will hurt and cut their revenue. We know the gambling industry was a good contributor when it comes to economic recovery.

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A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

On the contrary, it should be regulation first, if regulation is not enough, then an outright ban.

However, it seems they skip that process and go directly to banning online gambling. So this will not sit well for those gamblers around that area for sure. I'm not really sure why they came up with measures to go and ban online gambling. It may result in gamblers, playing underground to circumvent this ban. We all know how resourceful gamblers are, they will always find a way to continue it no matter if we are in a pandemic or an outright banning from the state.

Banning something should always be the last resort, and when it comes to gambling it is obvious regulation is the right choice not only for the players but also for the government, the government benefits from the taxes they get from it and the players benefit from having the government check that the games are not so heavily skewed on the house favor and that players are actually paid when they win, with a ban everyone losses with the exception of organized crime which now have a new industry to exploit.

exactly!
I really can't understand these people who opt for a government that controls more things and makes more rules, in general
wouldn't it be better to just people decide freely and invest in education so they can make better decisions?

I really think that the governments want this kind of dependency of the people on them so they can grow more powerful, for example when there is a natural disaster I always hear people say that the government should do something to help people out, but beside the basics like helping cleaning out after the disaster and giving some relief to the people nothing else should be done, and it is up to the people and other private parties like insurance companies to deal with the aftermath.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 25, 2021, 10:40:24 PM

Quote from: AicecreaME on September 25, 2021, 08:12:00 AM

The very simple way is to abide the law, so that no consequences will happen. There's no reason to risk your life in gambling, it's not worth it. I'd rather be bored at home thinking of something to do rather than bored in a jail for years and years just because of a bad habit. But if you're good at computers and could outsmart their cyber authority then go for it.

Just relax. No one is going to imprison you if you just use a VPN. Tens of millions use VPN in India and till now I haven't heard about anyone getting arrested just because of that. Even of the parliamentarians come up with some stupid law, the courts will overturn that. Unless there is a clear link towards terrorism or some other criminal activity, the cops can't break in to your house and arrest you (they need a warrant, which I hope you are aware). To gamble or not is an individual choice, and in a truly democratic country the governments would stay away from all this.

Besides that, it will be easy for the cops to search for where you live to watch what you do while you use VPN. If you do not do something illegal, they will not do anything but will still watch you from somewhere you do not know. The police will react fast when you try to break their rule and at that time, you can get warn from them not to cross that border. If people are still afraid, they do not have to try to use VPN instead use their IP to access the internet as usual.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on September 25, 2021, 08:12:00 AM

The very simple way is to abide the law, so that no consequences will happen. There's no reason to risk your life in gambling, it's not worth it. I'd rather be bored at home thinking of something to do rather than bored in a jail for years and years just because of a bad habit. But if you're good at computers and could outsmart their cyber authority then go for it.

Just relax. No one is going to imprison you if you just use a VPN. Tens of millions use VPN in India and till now I haven't heard about anyone getting arrested just because of that. Even of the parliamentarians come up with some stupid law, the courts will overturn that. Unless there is a clear link towards terrorism or some other criminal activity, the cops can't break in to your house and arrest you (they need a warrant, which I hope you are aware). To gamble or not is an individual choice, and in a truly democratic country the governments would stay away from all this.

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I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Internet service provider can easily detect the traffic that goes through VPN tunnels and this information is available to law enforcement agencies, as in India there are two solutions for surveillance of users: Central Monitoring System and National Intelligence Grid. I think if the police come to the house of someone who is breaking the laws of the country they will be very rough and they will come without any court orders. You will give them access to your devices.

The very simple way is to abide the law, so that no consequences will happen. There's no reason to risk your life in gambling, it's not worth it. I'd rather be bored at home thinking of something to do rather than bored in a jail for years and years just because of a bad habit. But if you're good at computers and could outsmart their cyber authority then go for it.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 25, 2021, 05:13:16 AM

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 07:29:26 AM

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Internet service provider can easily detect the traffic that goes through VPN tunnels and this information is available to law enforcement agencies, as in India there are two solutions for surveillance of users: Central Monitoring System and National Intelligence Grid. I think if the police come to the house of someone who is breaking the laws of the country they will be very rough and they will come without any court orders. You will give them access to your devices.

A very strict kind of situation in that case on where they do really end up on having that kind of way of implementing such laws but i cant really blame off because law is law and it is really needing for its
citizens to follow up if they dont like to experience some problems or violations that would really be putting them on trouble.Each country does have its own take into things which it is just right
that there would be consequences for those who had violate up on whats been mandated and as a citizen then you would really need to follow.They do make out laws for a reason
but its true that there would be several gambling places that would be built up underground.

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I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Internet service provider can easily detect the traffic that goes through VPN tunnels and this information is available to law enforcement agencies, as in India there are two solutions for surveillance of users: Central Monitoring System and National Intelligence Grid. I think if the police come to the house of someone who is breaking the laws of the country they will be very rough and they will come without any court orders. You will give them access to your devices.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

I heard that most states in India are going to take action against online gambling as in India even main stream media is showing gambling related advertisements more frequently which will definitely bring negative impacts to younger generations.

Cricket based online gambling (not just sportsbetting) and cards based gambling are more famous in India as far as I read hence these types of actions from state governments definitely safeguard new generations. I guess Bangalore is the city from the mentioned kanataka state which is the hub for software development and for producing new IT professionals hence banning online gambling will produce positive consequences for sure.

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One of the news sources says the ban on online gambling is as a result of numerous complains from the public regarding cyber fraud. The question is, "in this era of VPNs and what-have-you can online gambling be truly ban?" Well, there are 28 states in India and Karnataka is not even the biggest I guess it's just going to affect the state only and not other states. Gambling startups might just have to move to other states without a ban.

https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/karnataka-passes-bill-to-ban-online-games-of-chance-cait-calls-it-setback-to-startups-307297-2021-09-22

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Quote from: smyslov on September 24, 2021, 07:00:27 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 07:29:26 AM

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Maybe those cyber divisions of the police will not arrest you using VPN but watching what you did with that. If they see that you use a VPN for doing something illegal, they can easily track you wherever you live. People use VPN to access the site that their ISP blocked and I guess gambling is not the only thing that police will concern because porn and other illegal things can be their reason to catch people who abuse their law.

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Quote from: smyslov on September 24, 2021, 07:00:27 PM

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Technically that will be the case.. but I don't think that they will go that far. Parliamentarians come up with a lot of useless laws every year in India and most of the times they are ignored. For example, porn is banned and anyone searching for porn faces a prison term up to 6 months. But India remains the top consumer of porn in the world, and as far as I know no one has been arrested for watching it. The same goes for file sharing with torrents. Technically, anyone downloading pirated movies face prison term. And although uploaders have been arrested, none of those who downloaded it has faced any legal action so far.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 07:29:26 AM

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

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I think it's a good move but to what age group this rule applies to? I mean this rule can be exploted in many ways and the gambler can get away with gambling by handling his money to someone who's underage to gamble and still carries on.

But they've banned the gambling activities entirely and what about Social gamblers?

That’s beyond the control of government, for sure there’s a lot of way for them to continue gambling but make sure they didn’t get caught because even minors can still be charged for sure. Gambling is something that is not for them, better not to encourage them and guide them in the right way, don’t let those minor into gambling.

have you ever been to a place where drugs are forbidden?
can you answer if people use drugs or not in these places?

same thing with gambling
you can make it forbidden but this will just make it more lucrative for those who don't care about not following the law to collect this monetary premium

I can agree with you here. We have seen countries totally banning drugs and yet, they still have drug users. So same with this problem, even if their government totally banned gambling, some of these gamblers will find a way how to get around this government protocol. And underground gambling may soon arise instead. Gambling is already part of humanity. So maybe better regulate it rather than ban it. At least the government is getting something from it.

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Quote from: Johnyz on September 23, 2021, 06:23:33 PM

Quote from: worldofcoins on September 23, 2021, 11:55:42 AM

I think it's a good move but to what age group this rule applies to? I mean this rule can be exploted in many ways and the gambler can get away with gambling by handling his money to someone who's underage to gamble and still carries on.

But they've banned the gambling activities entirely and what about Social gamblers?

That’s beyond the control of government, for sure there’s a lot of way for them to continue gambling but make sure they didn’t get caught because even minors can still be charged for sure. Gambling is something that is not for them, better not to encourage them and guide them in the right way, don’t let those minor into gambling.

have you ever been to a place where drugs are forbidden?
can you answer if people use drugs or not in these places?

same thing with gambling
you can make it forbidden but this will just make it more lucrative for those who don't care about not following the law to collect this monetary premium

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Quote from: AicecreaME on September 24, 2021, 06:29:35 AM

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By banning gambling they will just encourage underground gambling, they should know that some players will do everything to play online, they will spend money and resources to track these players to the point they are going to break individual's privacy, they can ban offline casinos but I don't think they can with online casinos, there's still a way to access online gambling casinos, you can't beat the internet.

It's not the Government's fault anymore if people would resort on such thing, it's their choice, but of course it comes with consequences when they get caught gambling in an illegal way, surely they don't want that. Their Government only did what they think is right for their country, there are still gambling platforms on their country but very limited. Online casinos could never be banned because VPN exist, and there's no way the Government would take such extra effort to track those people.

People will decide by themselves whether it is to break the rule or follow the rule. And if they are caught by the government playing gambling in underground or offline casinos or online casinos, they need to be responsible for what they did and should accept if they get the punishment. But maybe the government will difficult to track those people when they gamble using VPN. Hopefully, people can get aware and not trying breaking the rule.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on September 24, 2021, 06:29:35 AM

Quote from: aioc on September 23, 2021, 06:36:36 PM

By banning gambling they will just encourage underground gambling, they should know that some players will do everything to play online, they will spend money and resources to track these players to the point they are going to break individual's privacy, they can ban offline casinos but I don't think they can with online casinos, there's still a way to access online gambling casinos, you can't beat the internet.

It's not the Government's fault anymore if people would resort on such thing, it's their choice, but of course it comes with consequences when they get caught gambling in an illegal way, surely they don't want that. Their Government only did what they think is right for their country, there are still gambling platforms on their country but very limited. Online casinos could never be banned because VPN exist, and there's no way the Government would take such extra effort to track those people.

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

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Quote from: aioc on September 23, 2021, 06:36:36 PM

By banning gambling they will just encourage underground gambling, they should know that some players will do everything to play online, they will spend money and resources to track these players to the point they are going to break individual's privacy, they can ban offline casinos but I don't think they can with online casinos, there's still a way to access online gambling casinos, you can't beat the internet.

It's not the Government's fault anymore if people would resort on such thing, it's their choice, but of course it comes with consequences when they get caught gambling in an illegal way, surely they don't want that. Their Government only did what they think is right for their country, there are still gambling platforms on their country but very limited. Online casinos could never be banned because VPN exist, and there's no way the Government would take such extra effort to track those people.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 23, 2021, 03:02:51 PM

Banning something should always be the last resort, and when it comes to gambling it is obvious regulation is the right choice not only for the players but also for the government, the government benefits from the taxes they get from it and the players benefit from having the government check that the games are not so heavily skewed on the house favor and that players are actually paid when they win, with a ban everyone losses with the exception of organized crime which now have a new industry to exploit.

We are talking about India, and the people have a sense of fake morality. On the outside they are against alcohol, porn, gambling.etc. But India remains the no.1 consumer of in all these sectors. The government knows that it may gain tax revenue if gambling is legalized and regulated. But doing so is a huge risk, and the "conservative" (i.e those who oppose these things on the outside and actually addicted to them on the inside) voters may take revenge by voting against them en bloc. And steps such as new prohibitions immediately boost the standing of the government with this section of the voters.

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By banning gambling they will just encourage underground gambling, they should know that some players will do everything to play online, they will spend money and resources to track these players to the point they are going to break individual's privacy, they can ban offline casinos but I don't think they can with online casinos, there's still a way to access online gambling casinos, you can't beat the internet.

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I think it's a good move but to what age group this rule applies to? I mean this rule can be exploted in many ways and the gambler can get away with gambling by handling his money to someone who's underage to gamble and still carries on.

But they've banned the gambling activities entirely and what about Social gamblers?

That’s beyond the control of government, for sure there’s a lot of way for them to continue gambling but make sure they didn’t get caught because even minors can still be charged for sure. Gambling is something that is not for them, better not to encourage them and guide them in the right way, don’t let those minor into gambling.

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A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

On the contrary, it should be regulation first, if regulation is not enough, then an outright ban.

However, it seems they skip that process and go directly to banning online gambling. So this will not sit well for those gamblers around that area for sure. I'm not really sure why they came up with measures to go and ban online gambling. It may result in gamblers, playing underground to circumvent this ban. We all know how resourceful gamblers are, they will always find a way to continue it no matter if we are in a pandemic or an outright banning from the state.

Banning something should always be the last resort, and when it comes to gambling it is obvious regulation is the right choice not only for the players but also for the government, the government benefits from the taxes they get from it and the players benefit from having the government check that the games are not so heavily skewed on the house favor and that players are actually paid when they win, with a ban everyone losses with the exception of organized crime which now have a new industry to exploit.

exactly!
I really can't understand these people who opt for a government that controls more things and makes more rules, in general
wouldn't it be better to just people decide freely and invest in education so they can make better decisions?

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I think its uninforceable, especially with cryptocurrency and blockchain. What are they going to do? Ban VPNs? Become like China and separate themselves from the rest of us with some kind of India firewall? Anyone who wants to gamble will find a way to gamble. They should be using that government money to help people with gambling addictions instead of putting them in prison.

^ That was exactly what I am thinking, besides from that, they will possibly have benefit in gambling by collecting tax as a good revenue to their economy.
Here in my country, when our economy recovering from the economic loss during a pandemic, the first they opened business are those gambling businesses because they know that this will contribute a lot. But that is their law, each country has different laws and jurisdictions that citizens must be followed, there is nothing you can do either not to follow or abide by them.

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Was horse racing and lottery being run by the government of Karnataka? If yes, I think that was the reason they aren't banning all of it, just my own opinion but I think people will still be curious on things and will just goes through another alternatives like having a VPN or else another state where it's legal. I don't know if how government will enforced this but gamblers should take notice.

If this banning continues, people can use VPN to play online gambling and they will not stop before they get caught by the authority. I guess the government will not be easy to find who is their people are still playing gambling. But in the local gambling places, maybe the government can search from places where people usually place their bets. People can break the rule by using many ways to play gambling, whether their government prohibits or even ban gambling.

They will not stop until they've been caught red-handed and put some huge sanction over on that matter. People will always find some ways to disobey such things and that's a fact in the world of gambling may it the traditional or online. Seems these governments haven't learn a lesson of the past that if they keep it for banning and banning it will just increase more the urge of the people to do so, if they really want to end gambling then they should annihilated all of it and never a single thing will exist (which I think these governments can do since it's their milking cow).

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 20, 2021, 09:09:44 PM

Quote from: Yogee on September 20, 2021, 11:52:08 AM

A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

On the contrary, it should be regulation first, if regulation is not enough, then an outright ban.

However, it seems they skip that process and go directly to banning online gambling. So this will not sit well for those gamblers around that area for sure. I'm not really sure why they came up with measures to go and ban online gambling. It may result in gamblers, playing underground to circumvent this ban. We all know how resourceful gamblers are, they will always find a way to continue it no matter if we are in a pandemic or an outright banning from the state.

Banning something should always be the last resort, and when it comes to gambling it is obvious regulation is the right choice not only for the players but also for the government, the government benefits from the taxes they get from it and the players benefit from having the government check that the games are not so heavily skewed on the house favor and that players are actually paid when they win, with a ban everyone losses with the exception of organized crime which now have a new industry to exploit.

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I think it's a good move but to what age group this rule applies to? I mean this rule can be exploted in many ways and the gambler can get away with gambling by handling his money to someone who's underage to gamble and still carries on.

But they've banned the gambling activities entirely and what about Social gamblers?

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

I think its uninforceable, especially with cryptocurrency and blockchain. What are they going to do? Ban VPNs? Become like China and separate themselves from the rest of us with some kind of India firewall? Anyone who wants to gamble will find a way to gamble. They should be using that government money to help people with gambling addictions instead of putting them in prison.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 23, 2021, 09:43:43 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

ROFLMAO seriously? Man, that bill is outrageous for not including lottery betting on horse racing. Well, since it is just a bill, I am pretty sure that once it goes through the process of their Congress, the bill would be deconstructed and add all the necessary details that encompass 'gambling' in general. I find it ridiculous that they singled out some activities in gambling while not including the other forms of gambling.

This just goes to show on how their government did not think through about the whole bill. I do hope that once it gets deconstructed or fixed, it will be including all forms of gambling.

This bill shows the problem for the local government isn't gambling itself, but online gambling only. In my opinion what Karnataka state is proposing shouldn't be accepted, because it's lobbying practice, that is when a specific group of the industry is benefited by the government, while the rest is criminalized without any legit reason.

Such projects don't make sense in a globalized world where we are connected to the internet all day long. The mentioned proposal is similar to that one which forbids online shopping websites because it's going to prejudice the local businesses income.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 23, 2021, 09:43:43 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

ROFLMAO seriously? Man, that bill is outrageous for not including lottery betting on horse racing. Well, since it is just a bill, I am pretty sure that once it goes through the process of their Congress, the bill would be deconstructed and add all the necessary details that encompass 'gambling' in general. I find it ridiculous that they singled out some activities in gambling while not including the other forms of gambling.

This just goes to show on how their government did not think through about the whole bill. I do hope that once it gets deconstructed or fixed, it will be including all forms of gambling.

this is the thing with politics
most of the time it's way more for economic reasons than for anything else, in this case politicians could ban all gambling that doesn't benefit them

it's sad but the truth is most don't care for people's health at all and only use it as an excuse

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

I didn't hear about this news until I saw this post so thanks for bringing this up. Although I am not from Karnataka but this does ring a bell.
Few points I would like to clarify are as follows

They have just tabled the bill for amendment and this does not mean that it will be approved.
The bill is only applicable for the State and not the whole country so it's not that big of a deal anyway.
The punishment starts from Rs. 10000 which is around $133 or 6 months of imprisonment.

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The penalty is very harsh the people of Karnataka can't do anything but follow the new law, you can still play using a VPN but be sure it will not put you in trouble we have seen a lot of players getting their accounts in trouble because of using VPN, the state of Karnataka it seems only want their people to gamble on casinos that they can tax, they cannot tax online gambling site so they restrict their citizen.
It's understandable the tax will sustain the government spending.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 23, 2021, 06:45:10 AM

There's a reason why they need to ban of course and some instances I guess because they cannot receive any kind of tax for this kind of an action because most if it's all about cryptocurrency gambling they cannot earn regarding with it but still it's not banned all of the gambling so they don't need to worry about even the lottery are still open to doing with we cannot do anything if the country releases a ban because it's about their law and we cannot argue and deal with it.

But the bill does not involve lotteries or betting. So there is still a possibility that the policies made are not fully organized for all types of gambling. There may be some gambling that is monitored and acted upon. Thus we feel we will not worry too much about this rule. As long as it hasn't completely banned all other gambling games. Because it clearly states that it doesn't involve the lottery.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

ROFLMAO seriously? Man, that bill is outrageous for not including lottery betting on horse racing. Well, since it is just a bill, I am pretty sure that once it goes through the process of their Congress, the bill would be deconstructed and add all the necessary details that encompass 'gambling' in general. I find it ridiculous that they singled out some activities in gambling while not including the other forms of gambling.

This just goes to show on how their government did not think through about the whole bill. I do hope that once it gets deconstructed or fixed, it will be including all forms of gambling.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

This prohibition aims to continue to minimize the occurrence of public aggression towards gambling just because of the impingement of wrong livelihoods. There's no such thing as really making gambling to make money. When the citizens of Karnataka are being pressured to survive in a state of recovery from Covid 19, in fact India is still having trouble dealing with this case. Until many gambling games are opened secretly. Not only online gambling, some people in the Karnataka market gamble behind buildings. The new rules that create boundaries, still say will not be a good solution.

Indeed, there are so many real problems in India which the government needs to solve that tougher penalties for gambling are the last thing they should be thinking about. It would be better for the government to think about possible measures to reduce mortality and poverty among the population, which, as I think, is not caused by gambling.

Perhaps you already know how the caste system has overhauled and restricted the freedom of Indian citizens to live on the same path with a better economic future. But this stigma makes them never independent as the real definition. Then it is attacked by social, economic inequality, to the point that gambling is the only solution. Isn't it very unfortunate that some regions in India do not realize that all have the right to have the same position and have a better economic status. When a case arises, why are they to blame for the relative neglect of the rule system? the answer is only one, namely the limitations that shackle.

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this kind of government bill will usually just create a parallel market where gambling is illegal so those who dare to do it collect a premium fee on it
look at drugs, as an example, government could tax it and regulate, earning a lot of money doing so (like California or Amsterdam) but in most places they prefer to make it forbidden, the only ones to lose on that is the population (with raise on violence, as an example) because people won't stop to use it

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India is included in the poorest country in the world. Imagine India getting so much worse because the majority of the population are addicted in gambling, while the Government earns revenue on gambling house they allowed such as lotteries and horse racing, but the problem about poverty to in their country is still worsening every single day, then what's the benefit, right?

So for me their leader did a good job. Instead of allowing gambling business to run, it's more productive if they are going to build a livelihood programs for those people who needs it.

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The hypocrisy of this ban is ridiculous...

They ban online gambling with very harsh punishment or even jail time, but they allow horse racing and the government lottery...etc. etc. Why not just say, "Listen, we want you to gamble on local platforms, because we want the money to stay within India (or that area) or where we have better control over the money that are leaving the country.

We all know local lotteries are sponsoring Sport development and local charities and they pay large amounts in taxes and license fees. Most of these local brick n mortar casinos also have to pay bribes to the local government employees to get the licenses, so we know why they hate online casinos. Roll Eyes

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There's a reason why they need to ban of course and some instances I guess because they cannot receive any kind of tax for this kind of an action because most if it's all about cryptocurrency gambling they cannot earn regarding with it but still it's not banned all of the gambling so they don't need to worry about even the lottery are still open to doing with we cannot do anything if the country releases a ban because it's about their law and we cannot argue and deal with it.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

What do you think about it ?
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This prohibition aims to continue to minimize the occurrence of public aggression towards gambling just because of the impingement of wrong livelihoods. There's no such thing as really making gambling to make money. When the citizens of Karnataka are being pressured to survive in a state of recovery from Covid 19, in fact India is still having trouble dealing with this case. Until many gambling games are opened secretly. Not only online gambling, some people in the Karnataka market gamble behind buildings. The new rules that create boundaries, still say will not be a good solution.

Indeed, there are so many real problems in India which the government needs to solve that tougher penalties for gambling are the last thing they should be thinking about. It would be better for the government to think about possible measures to reduce mortality and poverty among the population, which, as I think, is not caused by gambling.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

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This prohibition aims to continue to minimize the occurrence of public aggression towards gambling just because of the impingement of wrong livelihoods. There's no such thing as really making gambling to make money. When the citizens of Karnataka are being pressured to survive in a state of recovery from Covid 19, in fact India is still having trouble dealing with this case. Until many gambling games are opened secretly. Not only online gambling, some people in the Karnataka market gamble behind buildings. The new rules that create boundaries, still say will not be a good solution.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 21, 2021, 05:30:50 PM

Gambling is illegal in India and you cannot find a casino anywhere else in the nation except for Goa which is a tourist destination and online gambling was a grey area for a long time and you are not able to deposit money into gambling sites using any banking system directly and if you want to gamble you need to transfer money to multiple online payment systems before depositing in a gambling site and now a state introduced a bill which is not that surprising.

Everything is banned in India. Gambling, porn, weed, and even satellite phones. The government thinks that citizens should dance as per their whims and fancies. There is no concept of individual liberty or privacy. And a large section of the population actually supports this. They believe that such restrictions are necessary to prevent tax evasion and criminal activities. And like analysts say, a population always get the government they deserve. Those who don't want to live under such restrictive conditions just migrate to other countries.

The fact is that the more it is banned, it creates a lot of resistance. India with the largest human population makes it difficult for the government to overcome their policies so that they are evenly distributed. Even in gambling, there are many ways for residents there to take cases in various ways. They even dominate crypto transactions anonymously. So it is possible that when in Karnataka there are restrictions, it does not mean they are completely silent.

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Not surprised as this is common here in India. I guess last year I have seen Delhi to ban online gambling (correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remember ATM). I don’t know why the hell they ban this. People with enough age must have the right to do whatever they wish to do with their money.
Well, they can't prevent online gambling for sure. There are a lot of casino which allow playing with VPN. Bad move from them IMO. It would be good for them if they could simply bring gambling under regulations which could potentially bring them revenue.

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I did not understand carefully, at the beginning you said that they only introduced rules against online gambling, but did not involve lotteries and bets. Here I certainly question, then what types of games are included in the group that is included in the prohibition rules in India? especially in the Karnataka region? As a layman, of course I don't really understand, because I'm not a citizen living in India, while the people of Karnataka or some of the media haven't fully sparked a great debate about prohibition.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on September 22, 2021, 04:40:59 AM

Was horse racing and lottery being run by the government of Karnataka? If yes, I think that was the reason they aren't banning all of it, just my own opinion but I think people will still be curious on things and will just goes through another alternatives like having a VPN or else another state where it's legal. I don't know if how government will enforced this but gamblers should take notice.

If this banning continues, people can use VPN to play online gambling and they will not stop before they get caught by the authority. I guess the government will not be easy to find who is their people are still playing gambling. But in the local gambling places, maybe the government can search from places where people usually place their bets. People can break the rule by using many ways to play gambling, whether their government prohibits or even ban gambling.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 21, 2021, 05:30:50 PM

Quote from: Cling18 on September 21, 2021, 09:37:02 AM

That's actually the reason why underground gambling is existing nowadays and it's even increasing. Sometimes, each country's regulation against gambling could make the situation worse. India has a huge population of gamblers and if their government would force to control everything, they couldn't eliminate gambling completely.

Gambling is illegal in India and you cannot find a casino anywhere else in the nation except for Goa which is a tourist destination and online gambling was a grey area for a long time and you are not able to deposit money into gambling sites using any banking system directly and if you want to gamble you need to transfer money to multiple online payment systems before depositing in a gambling site and now a state introduced a bill which is not that surprising.

I read in an article on the Indian gaming industry that gambling is allowed not only in Goa, but also in Sikkim and in Daman and Diu.

Currently, there is no need to use credit cards transactions that are tracked by the state. Cryptocurrencies can be used to make anonymous casino deposits. Moreover, if there were no underground casinos on the territory of Karnataka then no one would introduce laws toughening penalties for gambling.

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Was horse racing and lottery being run by the government of Karnataka? If yes, I think that was the reason they aren't banning all of it, just my own opinion but I think people will still be curious on things and will just goes through another alternatives like having a VPN or else another state where it's legal. I don't know if how government will enforced this but gamblers should take notice.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on September 22, 2021, 02:27:21 AM

For just a state in a country to ban gambling can not be effective, people will always bypass it. Only what can be effective are gambling agents which will not be allowed no more in the state and nothing more, but online gambling will be effective, using cryptocurrencies to gambling will also be effective.

Exactly, people will resist if you tighten the restrictions, remember the basic idea that humans are naturally free creatures so if you subjugate or violate that freedom, they will always resist you no matter how beneficial that restriction is to them and no matter how much they explain it to you. This kind of restrictions don't work, it's a waste of taxpayer's money.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

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For just a state in a country to ban gambling can not be effective, people will always bypass it. Only what can be effective are gambling agents which will not be allowed no more in the state and nothing more, but online gambling will be effective, using cryptocurrencies to gambling will also be effective.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 21, 2021, 05:30:50 PM

Gambling is illegal in India and you cannot find a casino anywhere else in the nation except for Goa which is a tourist destination and online gambling was a grey area for a long time and you are not able to deposit money into gambling sites using any banking system directly and if you want to gamble you need to transfer money to multiple online payment systems before depositing in a gambling site and now a state introduced a bill which is not that surprising.

Everything is banned in India. Gambling, porn, weed, and even satellite phones. The government thinks that citizens should dance as per their whims and fancies. There is no concept of individual liberty or privacy. And a large section of the population actually supports this. They believe that such restrictions are necessary to prevent tax evasion and criminal activities. And like analysts say, a population always get the government they deserve. Those who don't want to live under such restrictive conditions just migrate to other countries.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

How are they planning on enforcing this is the big issue.

Especially at non-KYC casinos, I don't see how this can be possible.

They are definitely not going to have the power to collect personal data from these sites. Please.

I wouldn't worry too much about this if you are just playing for fun. I doubt that these local authorities would have the power to get information that they seem to need to execute on these laws.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 21, 2021, 09:37:02 AM

That's actually the reason why underground gambling is existing nowadays and it's even increasing. Sometimes, each country's regulation against gambling could make the situation worse. India has a huge population of gamblers and if their government would force to control everything, they couldn't eliminate gambling completely.

Gambling is illegal in India and you cannot find a casino anywhere else in the nation except for Goa which is a tourist destination and online gambling was a grey area for a long time and you are not able to deposit money into gambling sites using any banking system directly and if you want to gamble you need to transfer money to multiple online payment systems before depositing in a gambling site and now a state introduced a bill which is not that surprising.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

Are they blocking access to these sites?

How do they plan on prosecuting people who simply use a VPN to circumvent the ban, if that is the case?

Especially with a lot of gambling services changing to decentralized platforms now, I'm not positive on their ability to keep their word. The penalties are large but proving guilt is difficult.

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If there's a worry about addiction then it should involve every other gambling activity. But this bill is like to end up everyone being on the favorable gambling game that they are favorable with.
That sounds like it is.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

I wonder what spurred politicians into this sort of action, I've never thought of India as a big place for gambling? Sadly gambling is an easy target for politicians who want to make their mark and target so-called wrongdoers. The companies have few avenues to defend their activity, the politicians might even be getting paid off by businesses who will benefit from less competition in certain areas (e.g. the lottery) and lastly it is an easy vote winner as older generations are likely to agree with it. I have to wonder how many betting companies actually exist within the state as maybe it will be a rather symbolic act rather than actually effecting many businesses on a wide scale. Very helpful warning that might be overlooked by residents of the state elsewhere.

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Being a regular visitor to India, I know what to expect from that country. It is just hopeless. This is the same country which has banned porn. There are some states where alcohol is illegal (Bihar, Mizoram, Gujarat.etc). Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Now they come up with their next masterpiece. Anyone indulging in online gambling will be jailed for 3 years. Does it really surprise anyone that India has the worst brain drain problem in the world? Anyone with a "brain" will just migrate to some other country, rather than putting up with such stupid laws.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 21, 2021, 09:37:02 AM

That's actually the reason why underground gambling is existing nowadays and it's even increasing. Sometimes, each country's regulation against gambling could make the situation worse. India has a huge population of gamblers and if their government would force to control everything, they couldn't eliminate gambling completely.

It's not nowadays, underground gambling has been existing ever since the dawn of casinos, and it's not really for that reason that they're existing, they were created because some businessmen don't want to pay the taxes and the people want more money when gambling which the underground offers.

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That's actually the reason why underground gambling is existing nowadays and it's even increasing. Sometimes, each country's regulation against gambling could make the situation worse. India has a huge population of gamblers and if their government would force to control everything, they couldn't eliminate gambling completely.

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The state of karnataka in india introduces a bill in the assembly to ban gambling it is bad news for players because they will not be able to gamble.

You didn't read the OP? It said that it doesn't involve lottery, wagering and horse racing outside the state so I don't think that gamblers would see this as a bad news because they can still gamble on the games that weren't banned and it's unlikely they would be able to actively enforce this.

lottery is more on a legal side because on our place it was also not restricted but i dont know about horse racing , in the other thread theres also another country that ban gambling but they also didnt include horse racing into it .
i remember when i was a kid , horse race gambling in machines are verry illegal and police even raided homes to look for this and they smash it if ever they found some . anyway , the ban is for their own good and they must obey it .

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

I think in India too they have restrictions to gamble but their laws are not very strict since gambling in their country happens in another format which is called fantasy sport even though their court passed something to stop them but the government itself is supporting the big companies since they are going to make money from it. Bills against the gambling is not really to save anyone but stop small casinos and only let the big hands to rule the gambling industry.

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That is bad news for players from Karnataka, India, because if they want to play online gambling, they need to play secretly and no one must know what they do.
But inside of that rules, it is good to control the number of gamblers from that state and maybe that can reduce the number temporarily because I think the addicted person to online gambling will not just stop because of that rule.
They will search for the other way to continue their gambling activity and play in their room or hidden place.
We will see the next news from their government if that new rule is running for a month.

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Mu_enrico is already raising the most important point, which is that this is a hypocritical bill. This bill is trying to come out as something pro-people, as an initiative by the state to put first the welfare of the people before others. But then it is clearly done with ulterior motives. If the enemy is gambling, then gambling should be banned. If gambling is allowed but only in selected games, then this bill is simply a way for all the gambling money to be focused on these selected games. This bill is actually a funnel to guide all the gambler's money to a few destinations. I predict this bill won't be passed.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 20, 2021, 11:52:08 AM

A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

On the contrary, it should be regulation first, if regulation is not enough, then an outright ban.

However, it seems they skip that process and go directly to banning online gambling. So this will not sit well for those gamblers around that area for sure. I'm not really sure why they came up with measures to go and ban online gambling. It may result in gamblers, playing underground to circumvent this ban. We all know how resourceful gamblers are, they will always find a way to continue it no matter if we are in a pandemic or an outright banning from the state.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state.

Bruh. what they're doing looks pretty damn stupid in my eyes ngl. Wait actually, I don't even know if they actually think of the masses as stupid. This clearly shows how they're pretty greedy of money, yet have to do something to address the issue of online gambling addiction. It's an empty way to placate the issue. Still, I'm pretty sure most bans like this can easily be bypassed using VPN's and the like, shouldn't really be much of a problem there. The idea of increasing the punishment is a nice idea, though really, the thoughts behind it are still pretty stupid imo.

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Quote from: crzy on September 20, 2021, 03:20:49 PM

This could hurt their economy as we all know gambling generated huge money go their government since Casinos are paying taxes but if this decision is based on their Religion I guess we can’y argue to this anymore since this might be against to their belief. If you’re living on that place better to follow the law, or you can still play outside that place if its really ok to you, there’s still a way for sure legally.

For sure they are already aware of that manner because they wont really be making such decision if they dont know on what are the things been affected but if they do still end up on banning gambling then for sure they

dont really care much about revenue and might have some other sources which they dont bother much about banning gambling.We do know that there are some really part of the world which does prohibit or ban gambling

and some countries does have current plants on doing so.As a citizen then you wont really be having no choice but to deal with it or else you would get penalized.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

I agree with you mu_enrico, I think you're right it looks like a hypocritical measure to redirect money from online gambling bets towards national gambling games like horse races and lottery, but I'm not sure it will succeed if they don't allow more kinds of games. It will be very difficult to track all people using internet in addition.

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This could hurt their economy as we all know gambling generated huge money go their government since Casinos are paying taxes but if this decision is based on their Religion I guess we can’y argue to this anymore since this might be against to their belief. If you’re living on that place better to follow the law, or you can still play outside that place if its really ok to you, there’s still a way for sure legally.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

If they wanted to imprisonment someone they need to having full coordinating with the gambling site if they want to charge something against them, if not how they are going to implement this law if the gambling sites are not corporating with their law especially if they are registered in that country. I have no idea how they are going to implement this law and it looks like they can nab someone even without much evidence.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 20, 2021, 02:05:34 PM

I always have a negative attitude towards any measures of prohibitive nature in relation to gambling. We are all well aware that no law can completely eradicate gambling. It looks like a legal way to extort money from the population under the guise of fighting for their financial well-being. In my opinion such measures will lead to an increase in the number of underground gambling establishments and more carefully hide them from the eyes of the guardians of law and order.

For sure those underground gambling places or venues would really be increasing in numbers and also in talks of online gambling which is one of the most common path or method on where these
gamblers could still get involved with gambling without being caught if they are really that serious on playing but of course there would be corresponding risk.There are only two possible reasons
when it comes to prohibition on something by the government, whether they do really in concern with their citizens or simply they are just simply trying to milk it out.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

Something like this is never going to work, politicians can put whatever they want on the law that doesn't mean that they can enforce those laws which is something completely different, what are they going to do to try to enforce those laws? Are they going to spy on the people every single day of the week to see that they are not gambling online? Because that is impossible and if they can do this then I'm not so sure that I want to live in a society like that, the only thing that people living there needs to do is to cover their tracks and they will be fine.

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I always have a negative attitude towards any measures of prohibitive nature in relation to gambling. We are all well aware that no law can completely eradicate gambling. It looks like a legal way to extort money from the population under the guise of fighting for their financial well-being. In my opinion such measures will lead to an increase in the number of underground gambling establishments and more carefully hide them from the eyes of the guardians of law and order.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

Good lord VPN! No
I am not from Karnataka and I don't even live in India but I do know some stuff about Indian government, one of it is "they never respect privacy and are always tracking the people down"
Therefore I do think that at the end of the day the government might already do put schemes in place to make sure things like that does not happen, so using VPN is something that I would not recommend. They are choosing things like horse racing which is honestly very cruel, did you even see the news where a horse died in the hurdle race instantly. This is just ridiculous. Who is poker harming?? ( Addiction is personal)

Quote from: Yogee on September 20, 2021, 11:52:08 AM

A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

Seems like the government of India is trying to ban things incompletely since they really want to be able to earn more profits from things like horse racing which is absolutely ridiculous, if you are banning something then why not ban it fully? It's just one state though, let's see how it goes.

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A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

Wean citizens huh? That's the most BS bill I've seen although I understand the hypocrisy behind it since lottery and the other mentioned games are backed by the government. I don't think wean is the right word because there's definitely no weaning in this one since people can just go for a horse race for their gambling fix.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

What do you think about it ?

I actually think on the contrary Karnataka will be even more chaotic, if the law prohibits online gambling addicts, this will result in new turmoil between Christians, Hindus, For the middle, upper and lower caste communities, this online gambling ban law will narrow the online gambling movement from the regions, the majority of which are middle and low caste people.

But for me this law didn't last long and it didn't work like the Karnataka court wanted it, online gambling is very rare to register and enter their personal identity, so it is a little difficult to catch those who are addicted to online gambling.

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Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

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