Topic: Kawbet belongs to 1xbet/1xbit (known scammers) - Plz support flag! (Read 2084 times)

Oh shit, here we go again. My first thought when I visited Cleobet website - seems that I saw it already and it looks very similar to 1xbet. Though, not exactly same like Kawbet. But I didn't wanted to attack them without any proofs. Some investigation is needed, but seems that now they tried to hide all traces better.

Attention please

Some new crypto bookie - cleobet.io - launched a signature campaign thread a few minutes ago: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-cleobetio-signature-campaign-srherolegendary-members-25-spots-5237438

A quick look at their website is enough to realize that this is just another 1xbet/1xbit clone... I dont have any other "proof" yet but I thought it make sense to post this as quickly as possible so everyone is alarmed. Very first "standard" checks show they are learning... No ANN thread, a simple google search doesnt seem to show any connection, different license, no bitpay as payment where we saw same destination addresses previously.

Yeah, looks like they have an escrow for the signature campaign but we all know - the problem with that group is not whether signature campaign participants will get paid - Kawbet also paid their participants.

See screenshots of cleobet & 1xbet/1xbit below - registration process is almost identical... this is not just "inspiration", it´s the same "software"...

cleobet.io

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1xbet


1xbit

That's interesting. As I understand, they were banned permanently, so, it would be interesting to know what was reason of ban.
But ban isn't excsuse. I remember when first accusations appeared, they ignored all questions about their relation with 1xbit and their communication wasn't professional.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, unexpectedly, I assumed that they were not active because they abandoned their project on this forum. Not only me, many others, too, no one noticed that they were banned. Before they disappeared, they announced that they would return to solve the problem 
But having account banned doesn't prevent them from returning if they want, they can create new accounts. Unwittingly, it could be an excuse for them to keep going out.

the representative of KawBet(KawBet) in this forum was banned a few weeks ago(not sure what he got banned for) thus explain why he stopped responding to anyone. but even if he didn't I doubt he'd be able to clean their name because of how poorly he handled the situation.

As with most scammers, after they get caught out either they stop using the associated user account to post or they simply post nonsense attacking those that exposed them. In this case the associated account has stopped posting but that does not mean they do not have other accounts to post from.

This forum has been used by scammers and thieves to scam people for many years, that is an unwanted by-product of being a very open forum.

The website may still be active but they already lost the trust here and i don't think any sensible bitcointalk member would risk using their service.

Yesterday i saw how they are aggressively displaying banners in beermoneyforums along side 1xbet's, you can clearly see that it's the same people behind them.

No question - they definitely are connected: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pnxbet-kawbet-1xbet1xbit-known-scammers-plz-support-flag-5235201

They've done that and they're still active, we can only issue a warning, pretty sure that many people will reach them through the ads.
Why doesn't a business focus on advertising for their official project but develop many different projects in the same way? They are almost the same, so what is the purpose for it?
The evidence above seems sufficient to prove the relationship between Pnxbet and Kawbet

I just came here through a scam accusation thread where someone got scammed over 2800 Euros by PNXBET. PNXBET.COM ---- SCAM

It was so good that this Kawbet scammers got busted before they could establish there scam casino here and get trusted by many members. I am also leaving them a negative.

Thanks OP

Oh my... I couldnt respond earlier because I had no forum access... and looks like theres  already "work" to be done with all those scammers out there. The thing is... pnxbet and kawbet actually seem to be connected... I mentioned that in one of my first posts in this thread, I would now have to do some research again in order to fit the pieces together. I remember they are being promoted together on lots of sites and youtube channels and there is even some linked in profile proving they belong together.

Side note: Googling kawbet now you will see they are pumping advertising blogposts on a regular basis these days...

Side note 2: Pnxbet have a bad reputation, here and on other portals

Proof pnxbet and kawbet belong together:

Kawbet representative in this forum confirming this - see quote:



Linkedin Profile: https://cy.linkedin.com/in/kawbet-by-pnxtech-n-v-289b6119a (screenshot below)


Press Release confirming pnxbet and kawbet belong together: https://zycrypto.com/kawbet-an-innovative-bitcoin-casino-and-sportsbook-transforms-the-betting-space-with-fast-withdrawals-and-more/ (screenshot below)

As far as i know, pnxbet.com is not connected to Kawbet. So i would recommend you to open up a new thread in the scam accusations board with all the details of how you were scammed

It will be a completely different story from this topic when we talk about ethics  There are many websites that never care about what they're advertising, the only thing they care about is the cost they get. Not only coinmarketcap, etherscan and a few other platforms have advertised many fraudulent projects. Certainly Google is not an exception 

They are not only advertising on coinmarketcap but actually all over the net and on places that cost way more... I am glad the English clubs suspended their cooperation with them but 1xbet is still "partner" of several big international clubs - I hate the fact they are "global partner" of FC Barcelona...

Can you explain this? its meaning?

It means "his opinion"

1xbet is a different story than Kawbet. A lot of people use it because it's advertised on coinmarketcap.com. It is understandable that a phishing platform is still used because it is promoted by one of the places with the highest traffic. Of course, the cost of advertising on coinmarketcap.com is not cheap. I haven't seen Kawbet have any similar ads  
Quote below for reference, it made by you 

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Can you explain this? its meaning?

@ChuckBuck [my 2 cents]
Very often people that get scammed by a site will make any prior search in google.
So yes this could be an idea, be on the first page of the popular search engine, but I don't think it can be a solution to avoid people to get scammed.  Nowadays a lot of people get scammed by 1xbet despite there are a lots of scam accusations.

I don't know if their allegations are effective, for now, this topic is not included in the 1st page results returned on Google when searching Kawbet. It would be better if we could increase the priority of this topic somehow. I'm really not good at this, is increasing interaction on this topic an accurate option?

Looks like the main account has not been active here since March 8th. Maybe find some users who were ripped off by this sportsbetting site and have them open a separate scam accusation for each case. Might help mess with google results.

Their website has been working all the time and thats actually what I wrote - us having warned people here on bitcointalk doesnt help when it comes to people finding their website via Google.

Just checked it out and it seems like their website is working so means they're back at it ?

I don't know details about SEO stuff... I think the word scam is key. If someone who is curious enough types "Kawbet Scam" this thread appears as number one in the Google results.
The Duckduckgoo search engine is funny thou, It shows totally nothing from bitcointalk

Well, they just abandoned their project it seems, meaning we were "successful", no? Too bad there is nothing we can do in order to warn more people. This thread doesnt seem to pop up on first page when googling "kawbet" - I guess I will have to seo OP a bit more.

Anyway, thanks for your input and support guys and every person we saved from becoming another "victim", is a win.

Well, it seems a problem started to happen, even though it was someone's alt, maybe. Quote here so we can pay attention to the way they solve this problem  Ideally, they should solve this problem well, if not, it's a good way to identify them as unreliable, like 1xbet.

Oh sorry   It's my bad   Maybe I should be more careful next time  
The signature campaign as a cheap means to buy people's trust in their platform   as soon as they have a rock blocking the way, they stop the operation, they are definitely looking for another way   But clearly this thorn comes from their subjectivity

Your thread obviously put them on the back foot as it caught them off guard. I have no idea who exactly owns the conveyor belt websites but it looks they might be having a re-think about their strategy. There is something about all the websites that share that same template that makes them untrustworthy more so after being named here.

Symptomatic they haven’t logged in since March 8th?! Most likely already working on the next „brand“ and being a bit more cautious?  Goes to show a lot, you launch a brand, try to push it on the biggest platform there is (by target audience) and then... 

Sorry guys, I am an ingenuous, and my moral compass "is not for sale". This is why I was surprised about that

@Chuckbuck
no. this is not an old image. this screenshot has been made few minutes before to be posted here. (price are in EUR)

@Thekool1s
section Investor based games has a big disclaimer and people can post comments helping others against scam... I think this is likely an heritage of the past (a time when there were very few services that accepted bitcoins)...

No wonder 1xbit is advertised on coinmarket or anywhere else, even etherscan.io. These websites don't care about ethics, they only care about the profits they can make through ad space. It can be said that this forum is the only place that rejects phishing websites 
But I was shocked by your image for 5 seconds. I had to check the Bitcoin price right away and I realized your image was old LOL 

Let's not talk about morals here... Scams aren't moderated here either... We have a section for Investor based games for crying out loud! Let's not get on high-horse of morality, when we haven't done anything about it either...

Why you're surprised? CMC previously advertised Yobit - seems they care more about money than moral.
And you can see banners of 1xbet on every major football league, it's obvious that they have deep pockets for marketing.

1xbit is advertised directly in coinmarketcap, look screenshot !   

IDK if people remember but in the last few months there were tons of accounts created trying to bring 1xbit back to the forums , I guess efialtis remembers that
basically they were trying hard to attract players again through new accounts , you will see newbie account asking about the site and another newbie saying something like he is making a lot of money with 1xbit
we all know that 1xbet and their branches are pure scam and this site is clearly completely related to them

even the accusations in their thread regarding locking accounts , it's 100% similar to 1xbit since I had that in the past
they will tell you account is frozen and when you try to log in the site will show that you have wrong username or password
live support will tell you to contact their security team and the security team will say that you violate their toc or something like that
after that they will never reply to you and they won't mention what exactly you did broke ( they never ask you for your ID which is a standard when a site suspects a fraud )

I strongly support the flag and I do believe that anyone who is dealing with them has a very high chance of losing his total balance without even hearing back from the site

Yeah, what a wise statement... - thanks for your valuable input! ...

It's possible that they will come back and this time they have taken note of everything, of course everybody wants to establish a good gambling casinos that will run for a long time, but one thing that they did not consider is whom they will associate with, provided they are a different team apart from the team that manage the 1xbet/1xbit.

Turns out that they picked the wrong service providers. We have seen other bookies around ex: Sportsbet.io, fortunejack.com, cloudbet.com and some others. They also use some providers. May be they need to find a good reputed service provider and start over everything than sticking to this shady betB2B.

Doing anything from scratch I think is not much possible for a startup. We are talkiing about providing bet for few hundreds plus matches in more than 10 sporting events. Having these many people behind a startup will cost billions I guess.

Thanks for removing it and thank you very much for your understanding, will do the same.

To answer your question directed at me: I will not promote and/or work for any business as soon as deposited/invested money is at "high" risk. And in this case there are way too many red flags...

Again, I am the last person to randomly bash any serious and legit business...

Busy schedule recently but now removed tag.I now see your point: kawbet is claimed to be scam site. Im part of the team responsible for the forum campaign management program, i respect your point of view and not against with it.
I just want to clarify things to you. i.e will you let down your partner program when someone just started a accusations? Im more concerned helping them here in forum, they didnt know much and shocked.
We have different views in this case, where i have contacted KawBet for their response regarding this.

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KawBet accusation:
payment system "scam"/ same address
Web-User interface/template/Design
Accounts taking down

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I updated them days ago. I only got response to stop the campaign here for a while.
I will continously contact them to be aware of this.

As i can see they are under "white label". They must start new operation for their gambling in their own scratch  than taking short cut and the result show.

I agree with @logfiles's conclusion of Betb2b being owned by 1xbet but that still doesn't explain why Kawbet is using the deposit addresses used by 1xbit... IMO @royse777 explanation doesn't really explain why they would use the same addresses as pointed out by others that other operators using the same script are actually in control of the funds. I do have a theory on why Kawbet might be using 1xbit's deposit addresses... It's most likely that Kawbet owes 1xbet money and they will first recover those funds by being in control of funds deposited at Kawbet and once the amount due has been paid off they will get control over the deposits and withdrawals... As @Royse777 mentioned these scripts do cost a lot upfront so it's plausible that Kawbet got into an agreement of sorts with 1xbet where they are allowed to use their script but not have control over the funds which are being deposited... But if this is the case it doesn't paint a positive image of Kawbet, if they can't afford the script with an upfront payment then how in the world are they offering up to 7 BTC Deposit Bonus...  Unless this script costs in millions which I doubt it does doesn't really help Kawbet's case here...

They have a bit explanation through this link (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asking-for-support-sa-mga-kabayan-5231056)

Translation in English:

They need to make an explanation as well on why both deposit addresses in their website and 1xbit are the same. They're insisting to all the defamation, but I don't know why they don't have any response right now, there could be a reason.

They failed to generate support from the local board and there's no explanation until now, one thing that baffles me is, are operators of the linked gambling sites Filipinos or coming from the Philippines, they did not promote their other gambling site in the local board only Kawbet, maybe they are in partnership, they have a good start but it ends here.

Right, and we did question kawbet using the name of coins.ph, as if they are affiliated with that local exchange platform. And we all know that coins.ph prohibited and against their Terms and Conditions. So it is a bit misleading coming from kawbet. But they never come back on that thread when Pilipinas board reputable members questioned them.

Another little piece of evidence. I guess all those sites use the same text modules, which they are given by Betb2b, but still:

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I doubt that. But if 1xbet is indeed behind that Betb2b platform, they surely are filthy rich. It's very tempting to bet there (and at those "franchise" sites), because they are often the first ones to offer markets and early odds tend to be very imperfect.

Another interesting finding here. According to the domain information 1xbet seems to be much older than betb2b which makes me wonder who runs the other?
Or should we say 1xbet switched to using betb2b when they came into the scene  




What I think is that 1xbet owns the so-called provider betb2b.com and this is evident with the bitshares address having the 1xbet name on it otherwise it makes no sense for a game provider to use one deposit address named 1xbet for all competing gambling sites that are using its service. Atleast if they were in control then we would be at least seeing a bitshares deposit addressed named maybe something like betb2b ... Just my thought

Check the image, it says Betb2b by 1xbet. Does this means 1xbet own this service provider?

Just a thought:
Sponsoring all these football clubs means 1xbet has huge budget for marketing and indeed they have a very large marketing budget. I have seen their ads in tele and in online you will see their ads in fact they are all over. All these costs a lot of money.

Did they make all these money only from 1xbet site?

I am trying to figure out how it's possible to be that big and still you let others (service providers) to control your funds, give them certain amount of commission where you can just buy them I guess.

Indeed all the things about betb2b seems a bit fishey to me. Kawbet seems another entity here.

Slightly off topic, but bear in mind these are the people that Kawbet confirm as suppliers of their platform and back office.



1xBet were shut down in the UK by the Gambling Commission last August.
They had been sponsoring top flight football teams, Tottenham, Liverpool and Chelsea which drew attention and a critical article in the Sunday Times, which described them as a "Russian Company."

The Gambling Commission also said

FSB sound exactly like BetB2B, a white label platform provider

This thing's turning into a rabbithole....

Yes you are right. They have something IP based going on, yes they work depending on location but the whole thing about single deposit addresses is very strange to say the least.

All three are working fine for me - guess its based on location.

I think we have said it all by now, kawbet as well as their campaign manager (who is still opposing) obviously dont even bother answering our questions. Says a lot doesnt it? My conclusion at this point: No matter what, they are not to be trusted right now!

Nb. Lots of users here on bitcointalk have been/are being banned for plagiarism, no? Just saying, actually I dont think banning them would help but may even be counter productive.  Edit: Never mind, they have of course deleted that post/thread by now and I didnt archive it, anyway, wouldnt have been a good idea anyway.

Sorry to disappoint you but that explanation you gave by accusing users of the forum trying drag down a new casino is highly offensive because you have no evidence to back up what you say. To accuse members of sabotage is a knee-jerk reaction from you which seems very much excessive because your role in all this (correct me if I am wrong) was to be the campaign manager and nothing else.

There is evidence to be highly suspicious of exactly what is going on and it has been highlighted in this thread, the primary concern being identical deposit addresses for multiple websites regardless of whether they use the same software or operated by the same group. That is something that just is not normal practice in these types of gaming websites.

Some of these websites are down, seems possible the creation of the thread had something to do with it:




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These excuses made by Kawbet just looks ridiculous. Ok, they aren't same as 1xbit. But they didn't bothered to tell why deposit addresses is same as on other 1xbit platforms. There is so many gambling websites around the world made by same software providers. But I never saw not affiliated websites made by same software provider using same addresses for deposits.
I don't understand Filippino, but if Google Translate don't lie, their request to opposite flag looks so stupid. They are saying that accussations against them are made by paid shills of other gambling websites to remove their new competitor. Is it best what they can tell in this situation? What a great PR...

As well as betwinner.com, these sites all show

Yup. Betcoin/PlayBetr/Coinbet.ag use the same software provider (that handles both sports and casino bets AFAIK) but hold funds themselves. BetKing and BitDice both use(d) BetConstruct software but handle(d) deposits and bankroll themselves. 888tron uses 1xbet software but handles deposits themselves. A lot of Bitcoin books use Sportradar's odds feed, but of course Sportradar doesn't take deposits directly.

Youre about the agent which acted as a central controller or service provider because i have also done some research either when planning to create my own sport analysis/prediction and news site but a sport Booker having the same deposit address is definitely not an issue that have to do with the service provider.
This is something that have to do with business and no professional service provider gave a single account to multiple business owner if the business wasnt own by a sign person.

I dont support the flag but i believe the OP claim was truth.

Note : 1xbet and 1xbit was once accused of using the same template etc and now the same deposit address.

You should probably do the same for efialtis if you want yours removed.

Thanks for the input and the research mate - they are shady as hell, this is the worst group in online gambling... and thats also what I meant before... lets assume (I highly doubt it but anyway) Kawbet is not run by those criminals directly and/or is not working for them directly, its not like that would even make a big difference, is it?! If 1xbet/1xbit are responsible for all financial matters etc., its almost the same actually...

To Royse777's point;


Has anyone had any experience with BetB2B?  According to the whois data the domain url was created in June of 2017.  There is no information about a team, or any reference to ownership.  According their website they are registered in Curacao, and the licensed address is listed as Perseusweg 27 A, Curacao, but according to Google Maps this address is in the trees.  They list their Curacao license as 8048/JAZ2017-066.  Also, I'm no expert on web development, but their website looks like it was made using a common template, and the tab title is "Constructor."  I don't know, but the whole thing looks like a shady, fly-by-night operation to me.

Fact is... for now anyone depositing funds over there is taking a risk. In addition to all red flags, their handling of the situation until now has been pathetic. Not only aren’t they replying to the very simple questions me and others have raised... Sorry there are too many ifs and I just can’t believe that - I am asking them once again to come out and prove me wrong!

I mean... Imagine you recently launched a new and absolutely legitimate business and shortly after that, you are being accused wrongfully... Would you act the way they do in this very case?!?!?! Provided you have nothing to hide?! And the situation here isnt even super-complex...

Ask yourselves guys: Under these circumstances, would you recommend your friends/family/colleagues using Kawbet, depositing money on their site? If you wouldnt, then please support the flag... as thats what its all about...

Last but not least: if it was true it’s „standard“ with independent betb2b brands to have all deposits go straight to betb2b, well, that wouldn’t make the situation any better...

There is just too much shit and they have only been around for a few weeks? Their actions speak for themselves...

Kawbet, can you please respond?!?!

Nb. Still negative feedback from their campaign manager, can dt plz support?

I have shared my case studies which I had when I was interested to have my own sportsbook. They did not tell me clear cut everything but those were my picks from the entire experience. I was able to pick matches to add in the demo site and was able to do certain things as admin and it was looking like same as bet365 for me. After seeing all these I was convince that more or less all the bookies use some common source, some service providers. They (the bookies) really do not control the back end of the site.

There could be some error in my picks too. So please do not take my understanding as a fact or how this industry really works. We have some other sportsbook around us, may be them can tell us too how their business works (of course it's their choice if they want to engage with this discussions).

Now let's talk about the accused site here. There are few things I am also thinking such as like you said wallet name as "x1bit". << could be a poor setting for the customization?

We really need to hear the inputs from Kawbet, may be they need an English representative if language is an issue for them.

I don't understand why the funds would go straight to the "service provider." Seems like they should go to a casino first who then later pays the provider for their services. Every other sportsbook I've ever heard of is in control of their own funds and pay expenses accordingly.

If they have multiple sportsbooks as clients, why would the service provider designate their Bitshares wallet name as "x1bit"? In Bitshares, wallets can be set up as "account names" which makes it easier to remember and know who you are sending funds to -- seems odd that they would set it up like that.

Perhaps I'm not getting everything...

I do understand that the people behind Kawbet might not be having any ill intentions (it's really hard to know for now since we had a smartmixer shock recently) and for the sake of not making any rush judgement from my side, i decided not to leave a negative feedback or support the flag for until i know what we are dealing with.

But if this whole thing of sharing the service provider thing is true then there is a big problem for them. Since the addresses are the same, it implies that betb2b are the one's in control of the deposited funds including other operations like approving withdrawal requests.

Now that players have had problems with betb2b partners in the past (1xbet/1xbit), how is it going to be different with Kawbet?
These are the kind of things the Kawbet team should be trying to clear out here, but they seem reluctant to do so and with each day that passes, things will become harder to resolve.

They have an announcement in Pilipinas local board : Pianaka unang bitcoin casino sa pinas! -Kawbet.com  First Bitcoin Casino in the Philippines,
are those other sites we associate with kawbet are also Filipinos or are they doing a collaboration?

I'm sure they will come out with an explanation or they will not, there is no shortcut to clear the allegations but the truth, and if they don't have it, then that settles everything.

Interesting findings but Kawbet should explain it here if this is the case, I don't know how many of us here know that this is the practice we don't know unless the operator themselves who uses this kind of system will tell us, he needs to get here if he is not guilty to enlighten us.

If per chance this is true, it still does make them look shady as hell because, that means it's the provider calling the most important shots and decide who gets paid or who doesn't. The whole point off this thread is against whoever is/are behind these platforms altogether, and not just the individual platform.

I would like to shade some lights in here.
Few months ago I was looking to have a gambling site. Sports-bookies basically. I was wondering how all these sportsbooks offer very similar odds and also control the market like suspending the markets very quickly, how they synchronize it so smoothly and smartly?

Let's talk about suspending a market of a football match. Say there is a match between team A and B. And sportsbook X has this match, offering bets. Now for this match they need a dedicated operator in the back end who will do the inputs to update the results and if this is seconds late then bookies will lose money. So the best bet is to send someone in the ground and s/he will be well decorated with necessary devices. When a goal scores he/she will have to give the input in milliseconds so that market gets suspended and the users in the site can not take advantage of it.

Now imaging for bookie X, who has over few hundreds of matches everyday listed in their website, are they sending few hundreds experts in the every grounds, around the world? No. One can not just afford it.  

So question is, how these bookies do the job and run a business?

I was able to find a service provider. And from the talk what I learnt that all these bookies (Sportsbet, Bet365, Coral, William Hill and everyone else) probably has some service providers. The job of these providers are to give you the interface, the system. Using their API you will design your front end and such things but in the back end everything is the same.

The agent of the service provider who was in contact with me, gave me a demo script that was looking like exactly how bet365 works and they were saying this scrip will cost me $25k and I will have to give them 25% or something of the profits I make. Which means they have all the controls of the script what I do is that I get the frond end that will be provided to me and will do whatever I need to do to make the gambling site (mine) profitable for me.

This entire experience gave me the answer of thinking how all these bookies works together to sync in an event.

There are central service providers, the job of the service providers are to support with all the logistics and everything. Obviously they are the one who controls the industry.

It's like the way an air ticket booking system works or a hotel management system works. You take the data from the service providers and build up your own business.

In the case of Kawbet, I think this is the same happened. The service provider is in control of the money and using the reference, they are paying the bookies who are doing business using their API. In this case it seems Kawbet, 1xbet and some other bookies.

PS: I hope before tagging a business some of us need to know the experience I had when I was looking for a script/service provider. This is the reason for me not to support the flag and not to tag Kawbet yet.

Kawbet did not bother to defend himself in this thread, but he preferred to go in their local board to ask members to support his flag. That is the attitude of someone who knows they did something wrong and is using other people to defend themselves... These are the things that disgusting politicians do

Lol! And you giving me negative feedback claiming „multiple account user“ to bash casinos? Haha, you guys are so shady. Going to tag you in a few minutes.

Plus how come the sudden change of mind?

QFR. Rating removed. Your flag opposition and the unwarranted negative you left to OP need to be removed too.

I recently see KawBet account received red trust and with due respect i requested a campaign withdrawal, we removed the campaign signature, avatar and personal text, i now convincing all participating  members to remove it all and they already received the payment. I'm hoping for removal of negative feedback in my account.

Well, yes, this seems to be the case. I just checked and you get different deposit addresses for BTC or ETH (and no messages). So my guess is, that all deposits land on addresses BETB2B is in control of. According to this post, it needs the approval from operators and BETB2B to process a withdrawal. So is it the operator or BETB2B who reguarly scam customers ? Or both working together ?

To solve this, you would need to know, who benefits from scamming. Does the operator only pay a fixed fee to BETB2B ? Is there a fixed percentage of revenue to be given to BETB2B ? The above mentioned post states that you have to pay a commission. So that would mean, that BETB2B has no interest/benefit in scamming people - they will only get their commission anyway.

Now they themselves could just scam their business partners by not approving withdrawals, if they want to make some extra money

Unless Kawbet comes up with some clarification about the conditions of how this whole business model works in detail, we won't get to a conclusion imo.

Well, these same desposit addresses clean all doubts and questions who is who. And Kawbet didn't even bothered to  try defend themselves against accusation, they never replied about it in their thread and they haven't came here to post anything. Seems that they don't care much about it. It reminds me communication of 1Xbet - from what I remember they also never replied to accusations against them and never tried to solve it.

Thru the message number references?

The Ripple (XRP) deposit address is also the same as one of 1xBet. 

      

Shared Address

rP1afBEfikTz7hJh2ExCDni9W4Bx1dUMRk

NEM too. This can't be a coincidence.

   

Shared address

NBAPJNCPMLPRB3L76GCMO42XRAG4WKYFWMDULIKM

How hard is it to create different addresses from the said blockchains. I thought it's something easy.
Also, it makes no sense if the would-be competitors are sharing addresses. How are they then able to tell that the different deposits are from different platforms if indeed they are different entities as they claim?

Same address, means they could have just one owner.

It does resemble MALUBIT.com too but I'm not sure. I didn't try to deposit but probably if anyone can confirm it? 
The two Kawbet and Malubit both just came in the forum almost just very recent and they both created threads here within a week. Malubit had a scam accusation where a user weren't able to withdraw his funds.

So what you are saying is:

- Player makes a deposit on kawbet, the funds go to a certain deposit address
- Player makes a deposit on shady 1xbit, the funds go to exactly the same deposit address
- Player makes a deposit on numerous other shady 1xbit labels, the funds go to exactly the same deposit address

And thats just normal and fine, right? You guys just forgot changing it? I mean, man... having your customers deposit to your competitors deposit address? Competitors who happen to be huge scammers. I would really be happy to be wrong but this doesnt make sense. If what you are saying is true, you will now be changing the shown deposit address, wont you? Are you now going to claim those funds back from 1xbit/betb2b or whoever?!

if you will analyze the posts, these are all from the same person/group posting negative feedback/anti sportsbook accounts which also gives negative comments to other projects.

Again if kawbet don’t have the concrete reason to ban any player it won’t do so.

On the same bitshares address, this software is provided by betb2b which also handles other related sites.  But it doesn’t mean that these sites have the same operators.

OP updated. Thanks for everybody´s input by the way. I dont wanna bash anyone or any company but we need to make sure no innocent people get scammed - even more so when this is about a gambling operator, where naturally lots of money is at stake...

We got it   dillpicklechips maybe a representative of them on this forum, he works on KawBet's ANN and answers most of the issues surrounding it, so we've got KawBet's answer here

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It's completely understandable, appropriate for you to post here. OP should be updated this information for more evidence  

- Unfortunately still no feedback from Kawbet - especially awaiting an explanation as to why deposit adresses are same...

- They have "paused" signature campaign: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53981523

- I was just made aware (thanks for that!) that the Kawbet account also plagiarized from several websites. Even though this does not relate to the topic of this thread at all, I thought you should know.

Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5213593

One of the websites the content was taken from and mixed up with stuff from other sites: https://zycrypto.com/the-7-most-important-cryptocurrencies-other-than-bitcoin/

Same address is just gonna convince one to think xbit and kawbet are just owned by same group of people. Nothing else can be seen unless they can explain how it is possible.

I noticed that too and it's quite bizarre. Both these threads look like a real shit-show and that alone would turn a lot of people off to play at these sites. So mission accomplished to some extent by these accounts.

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I have played a lot at 1xbit, although I always knew about their shady business. The thing is, they will let you play and win for some time and build up trust with it. But there seems to be some threshold after which the modus operandi changes. This is a) when you keep on winning and withdrawing or b) when you start to deposit and stake bigger amounts.

For a) you might get lucky and they will pay you, if the final withdrawal amount isn't too high. If you don't make regular withdrawals and the funds in your account pile up, you might not get paid at all. They will make up some story and refer to their T&C's over and over with bot-ish responses. In the end you are being ignored by their chat and emails remain unanswered, account gets closed at some point.

For b) the end is the same as in a). But this is what they are really looking for imo. They want people to test their site a bit with smallish stakes. People see, that everything runs smooth, deposits/withdrawals are fast, live chat is responsive. The user gets confident enough to deposit bigger amounts. That is the point, where the harassment starts and you are unlikely to get your money back.

In any scenario, winning players are limited very fast (which is ok and standard) and you never feel comfortable with your funds there.

And I expect it to be the same with Kawbet.

For me, the risk-reward ratio was always good enough to keep playing at 1xbit. Up until the point, where they were changing the odds of an accepted betslip to my disadvantage after the match already started. When you can't be sure at what odds your bet will be settled, there is really no point in betting there.

No problem, those that oppose it unjustly can also be tagged swiftly.

Please post about it once you do so. Thanks.

When you open bet-1xsport.com you can even see they didnt change the logo and it shows "1xbet"... LOL! Melbet is quite known and no secret they belong to that group. More and more flags...


Yeah, to be fair I was also wondering how come so many noob accounts came up and posting negatively, I still havent figured it out. I can tell they are not mine, lol.


Bla bla bla - yes, you said that before, they use the same software. Can you please just explain why even deposit adresses are matching?! Its as simple as that and if you come up with a reasonable explanation, I am the last one not to change my opinion. Even though there are more red flags but one step after another...

Btw... having a look at betb2b´s website, its pretty obvious that betb2b and 1xbet are actually run by the same people. Everything about that group is so shady...


Will do a little later today, I ll just pm them with a link to this thread.

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Its funny that instead of responding here, the kawbet account has opened a thread in their local board to oppose: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53980603

All this really is weird. When doing some research I found that kawbet and some site called pnxbet also belong together and looks like there were some accusations against pnxbet, too. Its strange that both these sites are more directed to Philippines etc. instead of Europe when I have mainly known this group to operate in Europe/Eastern Europe.

@Kawbet One more time - this is not a conspiracy, I am not a person spending his free-time trying to "destroy" anyone because its fun. Its actually not but instead, all this takes time, time that I would rather use doing other things. The problem is that: a) Lots of bitcointalk members were scammed by that group b) I know several people personally who were scammed by that group c) Since I did some "work" for them back in the day, I can tell some weird stuff is going on behind the scenes d) There even is a connection between another user in this forum and that group (the guy who hired me back then) and checking his history here, its getting even more weird...

Unfortunately I dont know how betb2b works and I guess nobody really knows, lol. When buying their "solution", what exactly will they do, will they be in charge of all operational stuff? If so, even working with betb2b should be considered shady, lol.

If this  really is the case, that same address is used in both 1xbet and Kawbet but they just used same template and due negligence same address was left, this is gross incompetence, and I don't know why would someone trust them with their money if they can't do basic things right.

But as i said, that's best case scenario, more realistic one is that both sites are controlled by the same people.

Yeah its necessary for campaign participants to know what they are promoting actually. I think OP can send a common PM to all participants including the link of this thread.

Looking forward to see the proper explanation of kawbet team & campaign manager (dillpicklechips).

Still this doesn't explain why the payment address is the same. If they are different entities then atleast the addresses should be different. Can you call upon the reps of Kawbet to come in here and explain or else you are risking destroying your reputation.

You will join the list of flagged people if you do not stop advertising the scam.

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Can somebody contact the campaign participants?

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

Best case scenario, Kawbet bought the software pre-configured from 1xbit.
Wost case scenario, they are 1xbit.

Either way, I agree, does not look like an operation that is on the up-and-up.

However, one thing I noticed is that there's a set of noob accounts that have been posting negatively in both the Kawbet and Malubit threads, which all very likely belong to the same person. Here are their names and registration dates (not a single merit between any of them):

nikica99
May 29, 2019, 07:57:14 PM

LEVSKI7
October 03, 2019, 06:04:59 PM

perfectto
February 13, 2020, 02:03:37 PM

ythai91
February 22, 2020, 12:01:25 AM

Here are the accounts they were conversing with that posted only in the Malubet thread, basically backing each other's allegations:

barbaron
October 18, 2017, 07:25:39 AM

radex90
April 29, 2019, 09:21:04 PM

nerdyguy
October 24, 2019, 01:06:20 AM

SSCEZAR
February 12, 2020, 01:04:18 AM

While I'm not excusing the actions of Kawbet and would never deposit there, they are actively being targeted by a farm of anti-sportsbook accounts. Its definitely weird as hell.

If you have enough evidence and enough confidence that they are scammers, you should tag them correctly so that it links to the flag, in addition, you should also have tags with this user dillpicklechips because the following statements:

This guy is definitely a member closely related to this project, if KawBet is a scam he is the defender of fraud, he should be tagged with KawBet  

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I would like to add, with the evidence that you give, there is certainly an association between them and x1bit, but the support team says that they don't know about it, it's clearly a stagger. They may be trying to deny it, or support personnel don't know too much about the project, a lack of understanding 

That casino-z looks exactly like them, too, lol. At least they are not being promoted on here if I am not wrong.

As TryNinja also said... I mean, even if I was completely wrong and they werent related (which really feels impossible, lol), what professional company would then act like that?

No no no, way too many red flags and whats most important - funds deposited on any of these sites are risky and for that reason we have to act and do something.

Not sure if all of you guys know that group´s "standard" behaviour but from what I have heard/read, it is not like each and every deposit is lost or so. It´s just that sooner or later your account will be closed and/or (much more important!) your withdrawals will be declined without any legitimate reason.

Nb. That group really seems to be "mafia-style", lol. I could even start a wider discussion as I have been in touch personally with someone - working for them/or even being them?! - here through this forum and they gave me work and I actually saw during that short period of time that so many "labels" are involved. One of the guys in Kawbets ann complaining they are scammers and posting a link to some russian site with a scam accusation against them... that page was full of adverts, adverts of some site called "favbet", which actually also belongs to that group, lol. I can tell that because I did some work for that site just before it launched and before I knew what was going on, who they belong to etc.

Here is another one using the same bitshares deposit address:
https://casino-z.com/

edit: there are many more:
https://bet-1xsport.com/
https://lordbetting.com/
https://betwinner.com
https://melbet.com/
https://playwetten.com/
...

THIS... exactly THIS... I knew (I like to think that) right from the beginning they are connected but the same deposit adresses?! Lol... Actually surprised how such professional scammers can be so naive...

Out-of-the-box programs for cassinos that already come with the competitors deposit address by default? Maybe someone can try to deposit some BitShare to see if the coins are credited.

Even if they are not related, how incompetent you must be to release a casino and let a bunch of coins with the "default addresses" (?) on and only allow BTC deposits when you have a ton of coins there for users to click and try their luck?

Just to play "Devils Advocate" for a moment - aren't there now "out-of-the-box" programs to start up Casinos online?  Just about everything else you can get off the shelf pre-made.  Exchanges can be bought as can plug-ins.

Are there any other connections?

I just tried to talk with their support team. This is what I got.



Hmm... sounds legit.

Thats exactly what I mean, they are 100% linked with 1xbit and the whole group...

Actually, they are very well set up, their ads are all over the net, I can see them everywhere so they just buy their way out, lol. Still, we should do something against them being promoted on here, too.

No. That would mean that even depositing there would be a scam, which is not the case. Apparently, you can deposit and bet normally, but they just close accounts without any reason and do other shady stuff. My "deposit message" is different from the one from OP.

On a side note, the site is completely garbage in my PC and freezes all the time. Took me a few minutes to be able to confirm the information above.

Edit:
I thought he was talking about the BTC deposit addresses. The BitShares address/QR is indeed the same on both websites.

You mean those QR codes pointing to the same addrsss? Like I said I am on my phone and if you confirm yes then this is really upsetting.

There are people who don't not have any clue about what they do. So it's not a big deal for then if they don't know that they are following a scam site.

Anyway, can you please confirm the QR codes pointing to the same address?

Cheers

Its quite obvious in this case that we are talking about the very same owners but - the fact that even the payee name is the same when depositing, thats what made me create that thread. Buying some script wouldnt automatically mean that even payment adresses are "similar".

I also know several people who have been scammed by them and thats why something needs to be done about it...

Edit: And guys, yeah, using some white label option bla bla bla - seriously, nobody would use EXACTLY but exactly the same shit lol, especially when its coming from proven scammers, lol.

1xbet is one of the shadiest in the industry. I have a friend who lost money there. They edit their users balance without informing the users. My friend is rich enough that he did not bother for the money but of course he did not like it. I never used them to be honest though.

But apart from the same script, is there anything else that connects this accused site that this belongs to same group? Honestly speaking these days if you know the place to knock then you can get clone of any website. A little customisation will make it fully functional for you. What if the owner of the accused site have used the same script?

Before tagging them and supporting the flag I think we need a a solid connection. Sorry I am on my phone and really can not do much research.

Cheers,

Some new crypto bookie named "Kawbet" recently came up and when checking out their website, I (and not just me) immediately noticed a similar website layout/structure/design/wording with 1xbit. 1xbit/1xbet and many more "labels" belong to the same group who have been scamming people for a long time, many bitcointalk members have been scammed but not exclusively - a google search shows how shady that group is.

Being worried, I raised some questions in Kawbet´s ANN, which remained unanswered. I wasnt the only one asking questions and it didnt take long before several people came up claiming their accounts were closed etc. Someone then posted a screenshot when trying to deposit via "bitshares". I have just tried this out myself and well, take a look at the screenshots below. First belongs to Kawbet, second one belongs to 1xbit (thanks tyKiwanuka!)





Memorize your wallet address for payments via BitShares: x1bit

People should be warned and stay away from Kawbet - sooner or later their accounts will be closed and/or withdrawals declined. Its what this group does, they have a record. Kawbet is currently also running a signature campaign here on bitcointalk... (UPDATE: On pause now!)

1xbit has been active on bitcointalk before I even signed up here, they had an ANN and an active 1xbit representative.

Kawbet related threads:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kawbetcom-anonymous-bitcoin-casino-sportsbook-soft-launching-5227494 - ANN Thread
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cfnpsignature-campaign-kawbet-bitcoin-casino-crypto-currency-5227812 - Signature campaign thread
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kawbet-2723342 - Profile link

Some links to interesting threads on 1xbit:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-1xbit-scam-5179175 (Thread in scam accusations section with lots of info)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/1xbitcom-910922 (1xbit representative´s profile link)

If you use search function, you will find many more threads about 1xbit scamming...

Please support my flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1435

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Some updates:

- Kawbet hasnt responded yet as to why deposit adresses are matching. I really hope they will do shortly. No answer is also an answer? ...

- Signature campaign has been paused: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53981523

- Kawbet opened a thread in their local board asking for support to oppose the flag: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53980603

- Unrelated but still unprofessional and forbidden: The Kawbet account also plagiarized from several websites.

Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5213593

One of the websites the content was taken from and mixed up with stuff from other sites: https://zycrypto.com/the-7-most-important-cryptocurrencies-other-than-bitcoin/