Topic: [KINDA GB] Minion ASIC to technobit Aseembly (Read 3149 times)

Keep on dreaming. If you had 480GH per board and all you had to do was put a chip into it. What do you think they are doing when they test it? It's 4 weeks from when they receive it. Shipping to them doesn't count. If you got burned from one company, why think another will be benevolent? They hold a monopoly, they can do whatever they want and they know it.

Just be careful and know that they aren't angels coming to save you. They are vultures providing you an alternative.

Are you going to be selling any of the assembled technobit miners on Minersource after you receive them?


As to mining with your chips for 3 weeks, I highly doubt it. It takes about a week or more for Martin to receive your chips in Bulgaria (if sent Intl Priority). Then, it depends on how many miners Technobit has to assemble for the group order. It sounds like you'll be sending a lot of chips for assembly, and it takes time to assemble all the miners, test them, and then a minimum of 5 days shipping time to return them as one shipment. Martin (Technobit) assembles miners with a variety of manufacturers chips. He's all ready mining with his own equipment, and I doubt another 400 GH/s miner mining for him is really worth his time (besides testing the unit for stability).

cheers

Unless marto decides to include it, no.

so if we pay with the 4 chips does that include shipping to us.

Sorry, but nope. Heatsinks can be found just about everywhere for a wide variety of currencies.

This just means we will not accept trades, if you contact Marto and he will accept what you have to trade so be it.

Bobsag, So no chance of also paying for heatsinks with chips?  Similar to how we would be paying for boards/assembly with chips.

"Also: We are not going to be offering any special payments or anything for this, so please do not ask."

I love Vultures; if it weren't for them we'd have no other options.

4 week turn around: That means they will mine with your chips for 3 weeks. Just think: the first chips they receive they don't need to return to you for 3 weeks. Do you think it takes 3 weeks to install those first chips? Nope, they will mine with them and rotate them out for new chips at the 3 week deadline, most likely overclocked. If any get burned out, the ponzi scheme allows them to send you someone's chips that they just received.
They have every reason to do this and no reason not to. From personal experience, I bought S1's with full warranty from MS, they came used and had the overclock scripts already installed.

However, even though they are vultures we have no other alternatives.

tldr; You have two options: be food for the vultures or eat the slop BA feeds you

1. If this is going to go off topic and talking about other miners and such, ill close the thread and not offer this. We have enough going on with everything that I do not have enough time to police this thread so that I can get info out as needed.

2. Prices: They are subject to marto's pricing, I will pass on any discount we might be able to get but 0 promises


1. Yes you will
2. You dont use a Pi, technobit boards use a openWRT controller that can power at least 7 boards each.
3. No discount unless marto can give us a discount, the discount price is usually only for single buyers and we hardly qualify
4. Yep
5. You will have to ask marto that, im pretty sure its yes, but at your cost
6. Yup

Also: We are not going to be offering any special payments or anything for this, so please do not ask.

 So can you break this down further please? I am interested in trading both my x3's in.

1. I assume I will need to mount all the fans and have them shipped to me correct?

2. Does anyone know how many boards a pi can handle?

3. I will need 50 boards and that is already at a 12% discount, I assume we will easily hit the 100 boards for 20% discount. Can you tell us the exact discount we will receive?

4. Will you ship the chips to him for us?

5. Will they ship the boards directly to me?

6. Can you refund the extra power supply I paid for as well?

 Thanks so much in advance, I will pm you my order numbers.

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Technobit can build within 2 weeks. I have used technobit's assembly service several times (For bitfury chips). Each time the website said it would take 4 weeks after receipt of the chips, but it only took 2 weeks (to receive the finished product). With all the minion chips being sent at the same time it may take a little longer, but that's an assumption. I don't work for Technobit and am not officially speaking for them. Unfortunately, I don't get paid for promoting their business.

I have no reservations ordering from or sending chips to Martin (Marto74) at Technobit. You can send the chips usps intl priority for about $60. It takes 5-6 days to get to Bulgaria when sending that way. One trick is to put the chips inside the small flat rate box and then place that box into the flat rate envelope. It will save you $5 and get to its destination faster.

If you have any reservations about Marto74 or Technobit, then I encourage you to read my previous posts about their service.

I wish I had chips to send them myself.

If it would be 2 minion per assembly it would be intersted so every X1 owner can finnaly go and get mining if not you have pay 4 chip to het 2 of them running on a board?

yeah looks like the only way  for now.

its possible to make cheaper if you give up and buy some s3's!

ATM its to expensive for X1 buyers + delivery is to long.. is it possible to make it cheaper

Bobsag and Techbit:

After some math, I'm curious if this would work, although I'm still baffled by why BA cannot build a miner themselves and would rather pass the buck to resellers and manufacturers.

For an X-3 I would get 100 chips. Valued at $100 each = $10,000

If for each 100 chips sent to you, you built 13 COMPLETE boards: 4 minions, coolers, controller, and some way of hosting at Minersource with their PSUs rather than shipping, it might be worth it to a bunch of X-3 customers.

Each board: 4 minions @ 120GHs each = 480Ghs . X 13 Boards= 6.24Ths  and a total of 52 chips.

That leaves you (Minersource/Techbit) with 48 chips per X-3 transfer. $4800/5.760Ths worth of chips.

If minersource could host each "13 Board Frankenminer" for around $400 a month it MAY work.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea, but it is dependent on customers not spending any more money than we already have, and Minersource's ability to host the units.

In summary: For each X-3, Minersource/Techbit builds 13 COMPLETE 4 chip boards that hash around 6.24Ths and consume 6250w. The units are hosted by minersource for around $400/month.

In return Minersource/Techbit get 48 chips valued @ $4800/5.75TH hashing power.

If this could be completed in a reasonable amount of time, I would consider it. But I, like many others, cannot fork out any more money on these miners.

Bobsag3 and Tech- Thank you for your hard work and considering this option. If something like this can be worked out, you may just save the day.

It's late and I'm exhausted. If my math is off feel free to flame away.

If they do keep their promise this time, and ship everything before the end of this month, you'll be fine I guess.
But I can't help being doubtful, especially when bare chips are being offered to customers instead (like HashFast was doing before declaring bankruptcy).

PM sent

How does this make sense?

This is very worrisome. Is BA essentially admitting that they cannot make their own chips into a functional miner? In the last update they said that batch 1 and 2 would be shipped by the end of july. But now they want us to take raw chips, spend more money on parts, and wait another month plus for assembly by a third party? Is this an attempt to avoid sending compensation units?

I don't understand why anyone would do this. WTF is going on?

EDIT: See new post below.

Anybody knows the address of Technobit (where to send the chips to)?

Edit:

Got it:

Technomachinex Mt Ltd
Sofia 1784 Bulgaria
Tzarigradsko chouse 7-th km

Technobit should reduce the price for us, cause this could easaly go to 100+ boards or so..
i found i a nice gesture but im not willing to soend any more money on this.

+ the 4 weeks delivery is to long it needs to bet much quicker than that.!

Can't Techbit make some deal for us BA victims we have already lost thousands of $$ (not that its technobits fault !! ).

hi bobsag, I ordered directly from BA. I could get 100 chips. I just dont know how to put all these pieces together.

I believe this cooler would work. It says it maxes at 100 watts, but should work with an additional fan? $10 ea. = $40 per board, $480 for 12.
This ATX PSU is on sale for $25 after rebate. But barring this, you can find a 500 watt PSU for $50 easily, equaling $600 for 12 boards.
Also, Black Arrow prices the chips at $69 each. So does Technobit, valuing 4 chips at €205 = $279. Fire sale prices may be appropriate, but only you can make yourself lose money.

Bobsag, when choosing the hosting options with you, I suppose we don't need to buy the PSU and controllers?

The cost of enough coolers to cover 12 boards (48 total) is a lot.  25 * 48 = 1,200 bucks.  You could go with $10 coolers (look just like the stock intel coolers) and maybe be okay if you had other fans blowing over your setup.  That would knock it down to $480.  Then you would ideally power two boards (each requiring 3 pcie power plugs) with around a 1000W PSU with 6 PCIe plugs.  That would mean 6 PSUs at around 150 each.  That's another 900.

I love the idea it seems like a good way to get out of this mess with something to show.  But that's a lot of extra capital to throw at this endeavor that I wasn't planning on spending.  Maybe if we could use chips to offset some included heatsinks or PSUs?  If each chip is valued at $50, two chips would cover four heatsinks.  Maybe for every 100 chips get 10 boards with heatsinks (4 mounted + 4 for assembly + 2 for the four heatsinks)?

I am thinking through my math too. I don't really want to put out any more cash...

I have 5 X-1... so that's 30 chips.
But call it 4 for 24 chips.

8 chips turn into a board.
That is 3 boards.

So call it 1.2 TH/S

I think i would need like 300 bucks in coolers (if 1 per chip @25 bucks per is required) and 1300 or 1400 watts in PSU.

Does that math sound right?

maybe bobsag will provide us more Clarification about that I had not counted the coolers beyond because 4chips its about 396USD
the board 205USD + 4coolers (25USD each) + ... = 396USD

So you need 4 coolers per board?

Sounds about right, the boards should be able to do ~440-480 gh with more tuning, the chips are native 120gh each now.

I'm not quite clear on this... the board mounts 4 chips and then we can pay for the board/assembly with 4 chips, so for every 8 chips we will get a board with 4 mounted chips ready to start hashing (minus PSU, host controller and HSs of course)?

If this is correct, then we would get 12 x 400GH boards with 4 chips left over for each X3.  This would give us 4800 GH/s.  Just need the extras parts to get up and going.

Does this sound right Bobsag?

assembly per board can be paid for with 4 chips, so 4 chips per board.

Got it ! it's realy a good deal after all im stoned needed 30min of reflexion  (its the same think)
hope the people join us to accelerate the process and let Marto make a good job

+1

so i just PMed u about the number of chips to take my place in the queue if it once existed

I will get you both added.

The best way to handle this is going to be every interested PM me with either their BA/MS order number and email and number of chips they have. From there I will put together how many total chips we have and how many boards, and I will make sure the relevant orders gets switched to chips. From there [probably leave this open till Thursday] I will check with marto on pricing numbers and timeline, and we will go from there.

it was what I was going to ask you precisely by pm! good as everyone will need the information

I can't find the formula for how to calculate the exchange extra chips for assembly knowing that in my case is about #minions if you could do me please an estimate that will cost the entire assembly against the minions!

I also want to know when this process will start in regards to your own account and how long all this will take and for those who still believe in
BA promise should expect this first wave anyway

I have had good luck working with you and I am up for it again.

Count me in.

Let me know what steps I need to take next and we will shoot the moon.

-BrimStone

We are working on that option, odds are it shouldnt be a problem. Pricing is up in the air at the moment.

According to my math if I exchanged my orders I would end up with 200 chips which is 50 boards.

This would be 20000 GH/s and 20000 watts.

The problem I have is hosting at that point.  Is there any option for hosting these with Miner Source?

You can pay for assembly in extra chips.... the heatsinks are pretty cheap along with being able to use any standard ATX supply.

it looks interesting but too bad for those who have already all invested in the miners themselves

Offering this to all BA/MS/other customers who want to group together to have marto over at technobit assemble minion chips.

Current Exchange offers for BA/MS Customers:
6 Chips per X1
100 Chips per X3

Each technobit board needs:
1x http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=79&controller=product&id_lang=1
4x http://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-Rev-Cooler-Multi-Directional/dp/B002G392ZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404768489&sr=8-1&keywords=freezer+7+pro

+ PSU and Controller

This GB is an effort to gather a larger number of chips together for orders.

We are working on the option of paying chip for assembly.

Boards Ordered: 253/XXXX [No Max]

We will not be collecting any funds, and all money due for assembly will need to be paid to marto. We can however expedite having your BA/MS order directly into chips, and shipped to marto ASAP.

Edit:
For those that want, assembly per board can be paid for with 4 chips, so 4 chips per board.