Kony 2012: Is this ethical, morally just but questionable, or just plain wrong?

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Quote from: stochastic on March 17, 2012, 01:36:37 AM

seems the guy in the video went crazy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/16/world/africa/uganda-viral-video/index.html

When I was watching the video they made I was thinking that the director and Kony are probably the same type of people. They both are charismatic and can influence people. As you can see, it does not take much for people to go crazy.

White powders and glass pipes have that effect, remember Martin Lawrence and his intersection issue?

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Quote from: benjamindees on March 17, 2012, 12:51:02 AM

Quote from: LoupGaroux on March 16, 2012, 08:50:34 PM

quality liberal bleeding heart

Actually it seems to be more like "closeted evangelical aspiring show-tunes dancer."

Well I was reacting to the glamorous list of glitterati who are flocking to the cause... but I do have to say - "closeted evangelical aspiring show-tunes dancer." is a truly classic description. Thank you for bringing that into my day.

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seems the guy in the video went crazy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/16/world/africa/uganda-viral-video/index.html

When I was watching the video they made I was thinking that the director and Kony are probably the same type of people. They both are charismatic and can influence people. As you can see, it does not take much for people to go crazy.

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on March 16, 2012, 08:50:34 PM

quality liberal bleeding heart

Actually it seems to be more like "closeted evangelical aspiring show-tunes dancer."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gipb-w2ZQGM&t=3m15s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWACLKaOC08&t=1m30s

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Well, there you go! Another quality liberal bleeding heart voice reduced to alcohol abuse and public masturbation. I'm sure it will all come out that it was society's fault for not having a village to raise his sorry ass.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/jason-russell-arrested-invisible-children-kony_n_1354455.html

LOL it appears at this point the weight of the evidence is piling up on the "just plain wrong" side...

(BONUS working video: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/jason-russell-detained-after-alleged-meltdown_n_1354740.html)

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Quote from: check_status on March 14, 2012, 02:45:37 PM

Quote from: bitdragon on March 14, 2012, 04:17:44 AM

Please do share what their own destructive tendencies as you seem well informed on the subject.
Surely you don't imply that reproducing themselves is a destructive tendency do you?

Quote from: check_status on March 13, 2012, 05:41:59 PM

If Kony is not yet dead then their is a viable non-invasion strategy, though unpleasant, that can destroy him for good. Since Kony and his men rape and capture women and children to become soldiers and wives, and Africa has a very large AIDS epidemic, infected people can be moved to the areas where the attacks take place. They will be ensnared by their own destructive tendencies.

I hope this provides clarity for you bitdragon.

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Quote from: Hawker on March 14, 2012, 03:43:04 PM

Quote from: check_status on March 14, 2012, 02:45:37 PM

Quote from: bitdragon on March 14, 2012, 04:17:44 AM

Please do share what their own destructive tendencies as you seem well informed on the subject.
Surely you don't imply that reproducing themselves is a destructive tendency do you?

Quote from: check_status on March 13, 2012, 05:41:59 PM

If Kony is not yet dead then their is a viable non-invasion strategy, though unpleasant, that can destroy him for good. Since Kony and his men rape and capture women and children to become soldiers and wives, and Africa has a very large AIDS epidemic, infected people can be moved to the areas where the attacks take place. They will be ensnared by their own destructive tendencies.

I hope this provides clarity for you bitdragon.

So your advocating finding Kong, staging an invasion of African countries, mass kidnapping AIDS victims and turning the victims over to Kony.

And you are doing this to kill Kony.

What are you injecting?

Already been done three times in the movies. He always dies in the end, and doesn't get the girl.

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Don't know anything about Kony, but Rap News is hilarious as usual...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68GbzIkYdc8

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Quote from: check_status on March 14, 2012, 02:45:37 PM

Quote from: bitdragon on March 14, 2012, 04:17:44 AM

Please do share what their own destructive tendencies as you seem well informed on the subject.
Surely you don't imply that reproducing themselves is a destructive tendency do you?

Quote from: check_status on March 13, 2012, 05:41:59 PM

If Kony is not yet dead then their is a viable non-invasion strategy, though unpleasant, that can destroy him for good. Since Kony and his men rape and capture women and children to become soldiers and wives, and Africa has a very large AIDS epidemic, infected people can be moved to the areas where the attacks take place. They will be ensnared by their own destructive tendencies.

I hope this provides clarity for you bitdragon.

So your advocating finding Kong, staging an invasion of African countries, mass kidnapping AIDS victims and turning the victims over to Kony.

And you are doing this to kill Kony.

What are you injecting?

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Quote from: bitdragon on March 14, 2012, 04:17:44 AM

Please do share what their own destructive tendencies as you seem well informed on the subject.
Surely you don't imply that reproducing themselves is a destructive tendency do you?

Quote from: check_status on March 13, 2012, 05:41:59 PM

If Kony is not yet dead then their is a viable non-invasion strategy, though unpleasant, that can destroy him for good. Since Kony and his men rape and capture women and children to become soldiers and wives, and Africa has a very large AIDS epidemic, infected people can be moved to the areas where the attacks take place. They will be ensnared by their own destructive tendencies.

I hope this provides clarity for you bitdragon.

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Quote from: check_status on March 13, 2012, 05:41:59 PM

If Kony is not yet dead then their is a viable non-invasion strategy, though unpleasant, that can destroy him for good. Since Kony and his men rape and capture children to become soldiers, and Africa has a very large AIDS epidemic, infected people can be moved to the areas where the attacks take place. They will be ensnared by their own destructive tendencies.

Please do share what their own destructive tendencies as you seem well informed on the subject.
Surely you don't imply that reproducing themselves is a destructive tendency do you?

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If Kony is not yet dead then their is a viable non-invasion strategy, though unpleasant, that can destroy him for good. Since Kony and his men rape and capture children to become soldiers, and Africa has a very large AIDS epidemic, infected people can be moved to the areas where the attacks take place. They will be ensnared by their own destructive tendencies.

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Quote from: dree12 on March 13, 2012, 01:48:32 PM

Quote from: Gabi on March 13, 2012, 10:09:58 AM

So Kony is a good guy Cheesy

I don't think anyone agreed that Kony is a good guy. The point I was making is that no matter what, a single viral video should not persuade the populace to stupidly charge into a developing country. This isn't the foreign policy that will get humanity anywhere.

Fully agree. Time to get out of Syria, Lybia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and a whole pile of other countries as it was all and is based on crap and stupidity.

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Quote from: Gabi on March 13, 2012, 10:09:58 AM

So Kony is a good guy Cheesy

I don't think anyone agreed that Kony is a good guy. The point I was making is that no matter what, a single viral video should not persuade the populace to stupidly charge into a developing country. This isn't the foreign policy that will get humanity anywhere.

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All it takes to change reality is the intent that it shall be changed.

when millions understand the fraud of debt and the racket of war, it will be over for the rats before dinner time.

If such a tipping point can be that closer through Kony in Uganda, than so be it.

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So Kony is a good guy Cheesy

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on March 12, 2012, 08:23:46 AM

Sorry- I don't YouTube. Is that many self-proclaimed views legit? Are there really that many followers who will flock to whatever the latest trend their celebrity gods tell them to adopt.

Excuse me while I take a moment to weep for the lost soul of humanity.

I'm fairly sure it's legit; I see no reason for Google to lie about that (though personally, I'd rather it be counterfeit). Such sheeple-ness is certainly indicative that "humanity has lost its soul", but it is an inevitable consequence of the connected world we are in.

I would like to point out that anti-anti-Kony has become more popular recently, as more truth is exposed. It's rather disturbing how so many people believed the deception thrown out in the video.
(edit: this indicator certainly indicates how perception has changed on this subject, but the page is still rather biased)

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Sorry- I don't YouTube. Is that many self-proclaimed views legit? Are there really that many followers who will flock to whatever the latest trend their celebrity gods tell them to adopt.

Excuse me while I take a moment to weep for the lost soul of humanity.

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on March 11, 2012, 08:42:30 PM

Quote from: Hawker on March 11, 2012, 05:14:10 PM

Quote from: LoupGaroux on March 11, 2012, 04:03:42 PM

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If Emperor Barry the Historic First actually had balls he would take action. Instead, like every other candy-ass bullshit way he has conducted his Presidency, he sees an opportunity to gain popularity with the brain-dead mindless lemming demographic that suckles at the media teat of Souros.

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The US has had troops in Uganda and the surrounding countries for about 6 months: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15317684

That's from well before this current media feeding frenzy. And long after the video is forgotten, there will still be US troops providing "training."

Unless you are seriously proposing occupying the place, I don't know what more you hoped for.

A training cadre in-country is hardly taking action. We have training groups all over the world. If President Buckwheat was genuine there would be nothing but a smoking crater and some residual DNA left of Kony. But instead we have a delightfully managed media campaign created virally, and scoring over 2.7 million YouTube hits in the first 24 hours!!! (Which would have crashed the YouTube servers FTW) immaculately conceived by some bleeding heart production group that nobody has ever heard of before this sham leading the blind and intellectually impaired to the well and telling them how to drink of this latest load of tripe.

This is the foulest agit-prop Wag the Dog bullshit I have seen in quite a while, and the slobbering cretins who are falling for this bullshit sicken me.

You just killed your credibility with posting that part.

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Quote from: Hawker on March 11, 2012, 05:14:10 PM

Quote from: LoupGaroux on March 11, 2012, 04:03:42 PM

...snip...

If Emperor Barry the Historic First actually had balls he would take action. Instead, like every other candy-ass bullshit way he has conducted his Presidency, he sees an opportunity to gain popularity with the brain-dead mindless lemming demographic that suckles at the media teat of Souros.

...snip...

The US has had troops in Uganda and the surrounding countries for about 6 months: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15317684

That's from well before this current media feeding frenzy. And long after the video is forgotten, there will still be US troops providing "training."

Unless you are seriously proposing occupying the place, I don't know what more you hoped for.

A training cadre in-country is hardly taking action. We have training groups all over the world. If President Buckwheat was genuine there would be nothing but a smoking crater and some residual DNA left of Kony. But instead we have a delightfully managed media campaign created virally, and scoring over 2.7 million YouTube hits in the first 24 hours!!! (Which would have crashed the YouTube servers FTW) immaculately conceived by some bleeding heart production group that nobody has ever heard of before this sham leading the blind and intellectually impaired to the well and telling them how to drink of this latest load of tripe.

This is the foulest agit-prop Wag the Dog bullshit I have seen in quite a while, and the slobbering cretins who are falling for this bullshit sicken me.

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Kony is a Fraud?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yTAI0MTZ9E

Meet Joseph Kony: 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWiF9hSgyoU

Manhunt: Catching Kony 2010 (His army is 80 strong.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Q93a7OOMA

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on March 11, 2012, 04:03:42 PM

...snip...

If Emperor Barry the Historic First actually had balls he would take action. Instead, like every other candy-ass bullshit way he has conducted his Presidency, he sees an opportunity to gain popularity with the brain-dead mindless lemming demographic that suckles at the media teat of Souros.

...snip...

The US has had troops in Uganda and the surrounding countries for about 6 months: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15317684

That's from well before this current media feeding frenzy. And long after the video is forgotten, there will still be US troops providing "training."

Unless you are seriously proposing occupying the place, I don't know what more you hoped for.

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Oh looky, another heart-string tugging bullshit liberal agenda cause celebre for Hollywood to get organized behind, and the Anonymous/OWS jack-offs to whine about. Maybe they can get Leonardo to do another CG magazine cover shoot proudly portraying the Great White Hunter with his boot on Kony's throat.

If Emperor Barry the Historic First actually had balls he would take action. Instead, like every other candy-ass bullshit way he has conducted his Presidency, he sees an opportunity to gain popularity with the brain-dead mindless lemming demographic that suckles at the media teat of Souros.

Quit trying to run the world as a focus group, grow a pair and do something. If Kony is truly the King of All Evil he is portrayed as, we have the means to remove him from power within the next 24 hours. Take the shot, or shut the fuck up. Same thing with Assad in Syria. Same thing they could have done 20 months earlier with Bin Laden, but this way the timing is better to have the movie come out just in time for the election. But no, we have to suffer through this namby-pamby whiny garbage about the world's outrage, and lets all show we care, by sending money to support some asshole who thinks plastering stickers is positive political action.

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Quote from: stochastic on March 11, 2012, 06:22:06 AM

Quote from: check_status on March 10, 2012, 04:08:16 PM

The resources of Uganda are rare earth elements currently. Since China controls most of the rare earth industry, is this an attempt to gain control of a part of that?

Rare earth elements are really rare. They are everywhere. It is just dirty to produce them. China has very relaxed environmental laws and put a lot of investment in getting the industry, thus now they control 90% of the market. America could do it in their backyard but the Californians and Floridans would cry.

AFAIK most rare earth elements are fairly common, but not very useful. Since none of them (excluding Promethium, which is rare) are radioactive, it shouldn't be too dirty to produce them.

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Quote from: check_status on March 10, 2012, 04:08:16 PM

The resources of Uganda are rare earth elements currently. Since China controls most of the rare earth industry, is this an attempt to gain control of a part of that?

Rare earth elements are really rare. They are everywhere. It is just dirty to produce them. China has very relaxed environmental laws and put a lot of investment in getting the industry, thus now they control 90% of the market. America could do it in their backyard but the Californians and Floridans would cry.

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If Kony hasn't launched an attack in 6 years and Ugandans who live there are not worried about the LRA, then what threat is their really?

The resources of Uganda are rare earth elements currently. Since China controls most of the rare earth industry, is this an attempt to gain control of a part of that?
Also:

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Uganda has substantial natural resources, including fertile soils, regular rainfall, and sizable mineral deposits of copper and cobalt. The country has largely untapped reserves of both crude oil and natural gas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda

So this may also become an oil/natural gas grab.

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coffee, Uganda's principal export.

For the love of God we must prevent Obama from invading Uganda, he will disrupt the farming of coffee, and my Revolutionary Beverage will be unaffordable. Someone should make a movie from this perspective while spoofing the Kony 2012 movie.

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It would be unconstitutional for the US military to act against "Kony" unless Congress approves. If the military and the Obama administration get congressional approval and thus approval by the people, I'm fine by it.

Likely Obama is going to wipe his ass with the constitution and say "lol UN said I could", then invade Uganda anyways. Then he will order the killing of thousands of anti-American militants and their families in the process.

I really don't like any of this. My preferred solution is these anti-Kony groups hiring their own mercenaries, UN troops, whatever and capturing him themselves; rather than doing it on the American taxpayer's dime.

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If Obama does do something about this, it may be in the "lame duck" phase of governence. This viral campaign is speading like spanish flu right now, and right now I believe Obama will not be going to war with Uganda because of Kony, but rather another valuable resource (oil?).

*tin foil hat*
In fact, it is quite possible the US gov't is simply looking for an excuse to go to war with Uganda. I find this disgusting and completely injust to the general public in not only the US and Uganda, but everywhere in the world.

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original propaganda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc

some talk about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpPg_mvA9qY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DO73Ese25Y (she is from Uganda and has very good stuff to tell)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR-WcWYgIw4

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Kony may not even be in Uganda anymore, and in fact might even be dead already.
in short, if there is oil in Uganda or some other valuable resource, this will create another useless war. I also heard that it is possible that the PRC has been doing stuff in Africa, and the US is trying to keep up. This might lead to a second cold war.

and lastly, do research, do not just take what i say as fact.

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Another "humanitarian" war for oil. Fuck you!
Make a campaign to put Obama behind bars and I'll support it. Or maybe even kill him without a trial, given that he's so fond of doing it to others.

http://www.bolsalibre.es/articles/view/uganda-petroleo

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My stance on this is that this is injustice to the Ugandans, of which many have already spoken out against Kony 2012. It's always scary when a foreign megapower has stationed thousands of soldiers in your country, and the US has no right to do this unless the Ugandans agree. Although Kony is a killer, does it make it right to inevitably kill many civilians just to capture Kony?

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Quote from: SgtSpike on March 08, 2012, 11:39:25 AM

Was it wrong for the US to stop Hitler, and what he was doing?

I know, it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison... the US didn't really get involved until it seemed as though there was a real threat to the country if Hitler kept being successful in his campaign.

Regardless, I think it is absolutely ethical and right for the US government to get involved and capture (I'd prefer head on a pole, but settle for capture) this killer. Hopefully, the 100 advisers will be enough to help complete the mission.

The didn't get involved until Hitler declared war on America. If he hadn't done that, the probability is that the US would have left Hitler and Stalin to fight it out indefinitely.

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Was it wrong for the US to stop Hitler, and what he was doing?

I know, it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison... the US didn't really get involved until it seemed as though there was a real threat to the country if Hitler kept being successful in his campaign.

Regardless, I think it is absolutely ethical and right for the US government to get involved and capture (I'd prefer head on a pole, but settle for capture) this killer. Hopefully, the 100 advisers will be enough to help complete the mission.

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So who is he and why should I vote for him in November? Huh

Jokes aside I don't understand how making people aware will really do much. If for whatever reason something happens and he is dealt with, consider it like drug dealers you can take them off the corner but someone else will take his place.

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For information purposes only; I've not paid the slightest bit of attention to this viral campaign (other than to note its name):

http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/kony2012-and-the-dangers-of-youtube-fauxtivism

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Quote from: dree12 on March 07, 2012, 04:05:41 PM

The recent Internet viral video "Kony 2012" aims to portray Joseph Kony in a negative manner, and calls for US military intervention. Although the crimes Kony has committed are unforgivable, I have come to question the ethics of singling out Joseph Kony and asking the government to intervene militarily. While this is a sensitive and touchy subject, I honestly believe that this campaign does more harm than good to our international community. Information on the video can be found here. Does anyone have any comments on this issue?

Its not wrong for them to ask for help dealing with a bad guy who has been on the rampage for nearly 20 years. But it would be stupid for the US to put serious manpower into it. There are already 100 advisers and if more is needed, use a drone.

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Quote from: dree12 on March 07, 2012, 04:05:41 PM

The recent Internet viral video "Kony 2012" aims to portray Joseph Kony in a negative manner, and calls for US military intervention. Although the crimes Kony has committed are unforgivable, I have come to question the ethics of singling out Joseph Kony and asking the government to intervene militarily. While this is a sensitive and touchy subject, I honestly believe that this campaign does more harm than good to our international community. Information on the video can be found here. Does anyone have any comments on this issue?

Typically white hats will do that. And younger Anonymous are drawn to that solution.

Us older black hats are taking a different approach and we will get his ass caught without military intervention.

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The recent Internet viral video "Kony 2012" aims to portray Joseph Kony in a negative manner, and calls for US military intervention. Although the crimes Kony has committed are unforgivable, I have come to question the ethics of singling out Joseph Kony and asking the government to intervene militarily. While this is a sensitive and touchy subject, I honestly believe that this campaign does more harm than good to our international community. Information on the video can be found here. Does anyone have any comments on this issue?

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