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Topic: KROGOTH HOLOMATIC-NEW INVENTION ON HOW TO PLACE A HOLOGRAM WITH PRECISION (Read 842 times)
December 23, 2021, 04:21:58 AM
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December 22, 2021, 08:31:46 PM
After watching the Rise And Rise Of Bitcoin and seeing mike's cas laboratory for myself. It really puts into perspective how insanely early we are.
bitcoin is still very fringe, although it is gaining more acceptance.
bitcoin is still very fringe, although it is gaining more acceptance.
December 22, 2021, 09:00:10 AM
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Aye...just realized I deleted by mistake awhile back. Will upload on imgur tonight and place on thread tonight when I am home
December 22, 2021, 08:58:21 AM
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December 22, 2021, 07:37:03 AM
Thought I should give this a bump for any new coin makers out there or current ones that might find this useful on placing a hologram with precision.
December 02, 2020, 08:44:22 AM
Great Scott! A flux capacitor! 
Ok, going to watch the video.
Ok, going to watch the video.
legendary
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December 02, 2020, 06:59:53 AM
Ok...as promised I have come up with an even more precise way on applying holograms..especially for those with shaky hands!
I introduce the Krogoth Holomatic...
You can watch the video of it in action!>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gusn55d3s65zkfp/20201201_205433.mp4?dl=0
I have labeled each component, where you can buy and explained as follows...
A) Toggle Clamp 90 Degree
B) Hose Clamp
C) YaeTek Lab Stands Support and Lab Clamp Flask Clamp Condenser Clamp Stands 60CM
D) Pneumatic Air line 1/4" Od
E) Copper Brake Line Hose Tubing Kit 1/4"
F) Blackhead Remover Pore Vacuum
G) 1" suction cup
H) Permatex 84109 PermaPoxy 4 Minute Multi-Metal Epoxy, 0.84 oz.
If the vacuum is too great for your hologram, you can always install a small1/4" Hose Barb 3-Way Valve in the airline and bleed some air IN to regulate the amount of suction.
You do not have to buy from the sites I have shown you, as I have not. These are given as reference in case you need more information.
I introduce the Krogoth Holomatic...
You can watch the video of it in action!>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gusn55d3s65zkfp/20201201_205433.mp4?dl=0
I have labeled each component, where you can buy and explained as follows...
A) Toggle Clamp 90 Degree
B) Hose Clamp
C) YaeTek Lab Stands Support and Lab Clamp Flask Clamp Condenser Clamp Stands 60CM
D) Pneumatic Air line 1/4" Od
E) Copper Brake Line Hose Tubing Kit 1/4"
F) Blackhead Remover Pore Vacuum
G) 1" suction cup
H) Permatex 84109 PermaPoxy 4 Minute Multi-Metal Epoxy, 0.84 oz.
If the vacuum is too great for your hologram, you can always install a small1/4" Hose Barb 3-Way Valve in the airline and bleed some air IN to regulate the amount of suction.
You do not have to buy from the sites I have shown you, as I have not. These are given as reference in case you need more information.
legendary
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The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.
November 25, 2020, 08:17:25 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that your make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
If you are worried about you hologram company copying your design or keeping some then you should be doing more research in finding a reputable hologram company. Good work ain't cheap, cheap work ain't good.
You get what you pay for.. do you want security or a pretty sticker....
I'm not so worried about a company printing the holograms for someone else, although how would you know if they did or not? I'd be more concerned about a rogue employee simply making extra sheets or something along those lines.
Good point...it can happen to any solid safe company.
Don't rely on holograms only... for security....
If you are making a coin that uses a hologram sticker, what other forms of security would you recommend using?
Laser etched holograms .... I think have been used.. laser etching changes things......it can be done inhouse
So holograms done In-house, laser etched, and all coin mintage/address info as mj stated above. Anything else?
It seems nothing is 100% fool proof, except bitcoin itself. Best it seems we can do is minimize as many counter-parties involved with making of coins.
Aye ...nothing is 100% fool proof, except bitcoin itself. Couldnt agree more mate...God Bless Bitcoin!
November 25, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that your make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
If you are worried about you hologram company copying your design or keeping some then you should be doing more research in finding a reputable hologram company. Good work ain't cheap, cheap work ain't good.
You get what you pay for.. do you want security or a pretty sticker....
I'm not so worried about a company printing the holograms for someone else, although how would you know if they did or not? I'd be more concerned about a rogue employee simply making extra sheets or something along those lines.
Good point...it can happen to any solid safe company.
Don't rely on holograms only... for security....
If you are making a coin that uses a hologram sticker, what other forms of security would you recommend using?
Laser etched holograms .... I think have been used.. laser etching changes things......it can be done inhouse
So holograms done In-house, laser etched, and all coin mintage/address info as mj stated above. Anything else?
It seems nothing is 100% fool proof, except bitcoin itself. Best it seems we can do is minimize as many counter-parties involved with making of coins.
November 25, 2020, 08:00:56 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that your make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
If you are worried about you hologram company copying your design or keeping some then you should be doing more research in finding a reputable hologram company. Good work ain't cheap, cheap work ain't good.
You get what you pay for.. do you want security or a pretty sticker....
I'm not so worried about a company printing the holograms for someone else, although how would you know if they did or not? I'd be more concerned about a rogue employee simply making extra sheets or something along those lines.
Good point...it can happen to any solid safe company.
Don't rely on holograms only... for security....
If you are making a coin that uses a hologram sticker, what other forms of security would you recommend using?
Laser etched holograms .... I think have been used.. laser etching changes things......it can be done inhouse
November 25, 2020, 07:47:59 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that your make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
If you are worried about you hologram company copying your design or keeping some then you should be doing more research in finding a reputable hologram company. Good work ain't cheap, cheap work ain't good.
You get what you pay for.. do you want security or a pretty sticker....
I'm not so worried about a company printing the holograms for someone else, although how would you know if they did or not? I'd be more concerned about a rogue employee simply making extra sheets or something along those lines.
Good point...it can happen to any solid safe company.
Don't rely on holograms only... for security....
If you are making a coin that uses a hologram sticker, what other forms of security would you recommend using?
November 25, 2020, 07:43:36 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that your make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
If you are worried about you hologram company copying your design or keeping some then you should be doing more research in finding a reputable hologram company. Good work ain't cheap, cheap work ain't good.
You get what you pay for.. do you want security or a pretty sticker....
I'm not so worried about a company printing the holograms for someone else, although how would you know if they did or not? I'd be more concerned about a rogue employee simply making extra sheets or something along those lines.
Good point...it can happen to any solid safe company.
Don't rely on holograms only... for security....
legendary
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The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.
November 25, 2020, 07:36:51 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that your make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
If you are worried about you hologram company copying your design or keeping some then you should be doing more research in finding a reputable hologram company. Good work ain't cheap, cheap work ain't good.
You get what you pay for.. do you want security or a pretty sticker....
I'm not so worried about a company printing the holograms for someone else, although how would you know if they did or not? I'd be more concerned about a rogue employee simply making extra sheets or something along those lines.
Good point...it can happen to any solid safe company.
November 25, 2020, 07:35:22 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that your make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
If you are worried about you hologram company copying your design or keeping some then you should be doing more research in finding a reputable hologram company. Good work ain't cheap, cheap work ain't good.
You get what you pay for.. do you want security or a pretty sticker....
I'm not so worried about a company printing the holograms for someone else, although how would you know if they did or not? I'd be more concerned about a rogue employee simply making extra sheets or something along those lines.
November 25, 2020, 07:21:13 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that your make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
If you are worried about you hologram company copying your design or keeping some then you should be doing more research in finding a reputable hologram company. Good work ain't cheap, cheap work ain't good.
You get what you pay for.. do you want security or a pretty sticker....
I went down a pretty big rabbit hole researching holograms .. the only sure way to maintain security is print/make inhouse..
It is the reason PaperSafe uses a very generic hologram ... its the overprint that really is the security..
and I did it In-house...
legendary
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November 25, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that you make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
Yes great question indeed!
Lets say you use the same company that made the hologram...and they refuse as they don't want to duplicate any past orders...I am sure there are other companies that will not have any issues in doing so.
November 25, 2020, 06:57:56 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
What is stopping someone from copying a hologram that you make in order to sell fakes? or better yet, someone at the hologram printing company, printing extra holograms for themselves, then buying your coin, then peeling it and replacing with a fresh hologram that they made without permission?
legendary
Activity: 2520
Merit: 3238
The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.
November 25, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
You are not derailing anything my friend....please feel free to post as I am sure other will learn from it too.
So no offense taken!
November 25, 2020, 06:38:57 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I am interested in a similar topic that I was hoping people can elaborate on a bit.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
For those that would like to share, what are some companies that make these holograms? I’ve read there are people who make and sell them on Alibaba, but what are some other alternatives? Not sure if people regard this type of info as “proprietary” or not but am interested in these topics and the “behind the scene” type stuff that rarely get talked about such as what Krog brought up.
November 24, 2020, 09:01:21 AM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000SVMJDC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabt1_VerVFbP20R56S
These picks are like the ones that I use...
These picks are like the ones that I use...
November 24, 2020, 07:43:51 AM
Or even using a toggle clamp along with the vacuum device.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vertical-Type-Metal-Toggle-Clamp-50Kg-Quick-Release-Fixed-Hand-Tool-GH-101-A/402546278637?hash=item5db9a0c0ed:g:DsgAAOSwWSxfqrkE
https://youtu.be/gj8tbcjrqAU
%20https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toggle-Clamp-90-Degree-Capacity-227Kg-500Lbs-32mm-Plunger-Stroke-Push-Pull-Clamp/323904058781?epid=2219314685&hash=item4b6a2fb59d:g:szYAAOSwB2Jdb0He]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toggle-Clamp-90-Degree-Capacity-227Kg-500Lbs-32mm-Plunger-Stroke-Push-Pull-Clamp/323904058781?epid=2219314685&hash=item4b6a2fb59d:g:szYAAOSwB2Jdb0He]%20https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toggle-Clamp-90-Degree-Capacity-227Kg-500Lbs-32mm-Plunger-Stroke-Push-Pull-Clamp/323904058781?epid=2219314685&hash=item4b6a2fb59d:g:szYAAOSwB2Jdb0He
Just bought the Plunger-Stroke-Push-Pull-Clamp...I will build it up to use with the vacuum pen and hopefully make a video of it once it arrives and I have the time.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vertical-Type-Metal-Toggle-Clamp-50Kg-Quick-Release-Fixed-Hand-Tool-GH-101-A/402546278637?hash=item5db9a0c0ed:g:DsgAAOSwWSxfqrkE
https://youtu.be/gj8tbcjrqAU
%20https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toggle-Clamp-90-Degree-Capacity-227Kg-500Lbs-32mm-Plunger-Stroke-Push-Pull-Clamp/323904058781?epid=2219314685&hash=item4b6a2fb59d:g:szYAAOSwB2Jdb0He]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toggle-Clamp-90-Degree-Capacity-227Kg-500Lbs-32mm-Plunger-Stroke-Push-Pull-Clamp/323904058781?epid=2219314685&hash=item4b6a2fb59d:g:szYAAOSwB2Jdb0He]%20https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toggle-Clamp-90-Degree-Capacity-227Kg-500Lbs-32mm-Plunger-Stroke-Push-Pull-Clamp/323904058781?epid=2219314685&hash=item4b6a2fb59d:g:szYAAOSwB2Jdb0He
Just bought the Plunger-Stroke-Push-Pull-Clamp...I will build it up to use with the vacuum pen and hopefully make a video of it once it arrives and I have the time.
November 24, 2020, 07:12:17 AM
One more idea I would like to place out there...
Would like to find something similar to this press....cheaper and in plastic if possible. I would velcro the moving rod and velcro the vacuum pen. Once i have holo on pen or device...attach to movable rod...place coin under and slowly lower the rod along with pen until holo makes contact with coin. This will stop any type of shift at the last second as holo meets coin...and trust me..it happens.
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4001153444552.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.6b9f13d9cHwOyl
Even this juicer can be modified as well
https://www.ebay.com/itm/164015099430
Would like to find something similar to this press....cheaper and in plastic if possible. I would velcro the moving rod and velcro the vacuum pen. Once i have holo on pen or device...attach to movable rod...place coin under and slowly lower the rod along with pen until holo makes contact with coin. This will stop any type of shift at the last second as holo meets coin...and trust me..it happens.
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4001153444552.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.6b9f13d9cHwOyl
Even this juicer can be modified as well
https://www.ebay.com/itm/164015099430
Having tried to put holograms on it is very frustrating so thank you for sharing your thoughts and ideas.
legendary
Activity: 2520
Merit: 3238
The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.
November 24, 2020, 06:43:23 AM
One more idea I would like to place out there...
Would like to find something similar to this press....cheaper and in plastic if possible. I would velcro the moving rod and velcro the vacuum pen. Once i have holo on pen or device...attach to movable rod...place coin under and slowly lower the rod along with pen until holo makes contact with coin. This will stop any type of shift at the last second as holo meets coin...and trust me..it happens.
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4001153444552.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.6b9f13d9cHwOyl
Even this juicer can be modified as well
https://www.ebay.com/itm/164015099430
Would like to find something similar to this press....cheaper and in plastic if possible. I would velcro the moving rod and velcro the vacuum pen. Once i have holo on pen or device...attach to movable rod...place coin under and slowly lower the rod along with pen until holo makes contact with coin. This will stop any type of shift at the last second as holo meets coin...and trust me..it happens.
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4001153444552.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.6b9f13d9cHwOyl
Even this juicer can be modified as well
https://www.ebay.com/itm/164015099430
November 24, 2020, 06:22:55 AM
We encountered the same problem when trying to move holograms on to our paper/polymer.
Currently our solution is to cut the hologram 10x10 sheets into strips (containing 5-10 individual holograms in a row) and we use the individual strips to push the holo sticker directly over where we need it to go. Think of it like a conveyor belt. The sticker half "floats" in the air until it hits the paper/alu.
This has increased accuracy immensely and reduced any blemishes.
Currently our solution is to cut the hologram 10x10 sheets into strips (containing 5-10 individual holograms in a row) and we use the individual strips to push the holo sticker directly over where we need it to go. Think of it like a conveyor belt. The sticker half "floats" in the air until it hits the paper/alu.
This has increased accuracy immensely and reduced any blemishes.
November 24, 2020, 12:58:54 AM
This may have been mentioned, skimmed the thread quickly but ..45:58 to see how Caldwell did it https://youtu.be/sZ-aUlNY9_g
This is the method I use and it works well for me. One small difference is that I stick the key to the hologram then the holo+key to the coin, Mike has the key on the coin then attaches both at the same time.
November 23, 2020, 08:28:43 PM
hmmm - I use super fine tweezers but this looks to also be a great idea.
I use fine dental picks... to place my scratch offs and holograms
While I imagine you have your techniques down, I would discourage any users from using tools that may potentially damage the hologram even if you cannot see it with normal sight.
Maybe do a couple test runs, say 10 coins, place the holograms using this method and then send them to teeGUMES for the Canary microscope treatment?
November 23, 2020, 07:10:13 PM
Forget the vacuum (great idea BTW), I'm more excited about a Krogoth project!
Can't wait to see what you're up to.
Can't wait to see what you're up to.
ditto.
Came to see why krogoth was placing holograms with precision.
Left disappointed.
November 23, 2020, 07:03:06 PM
Love the creativity!! The Krogo project?!!
November 23, 2020, 11:07:25 AM
Has anyone tried valve lapping tools?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wooden-Handles-Valve-Hand-Lapping-Grinding-Tool-Suction-Cup-Lap-Sticks-US-Stock-/323747916275?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
They are about 10 bucks at any autoparts stores
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wooden-Handles-Valve-Hand-Lapping-Grinding-Tool-Suction-Cup-Lap-Sticks-US-Stock-/323747916275?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
They are about 10 bucks at any autoparts stores
November 23, 2020, 11:04:34 AM
The fine dental pick is used to lift the hologram off the master hologram sheet.
It barely is in contact with the holograms stickyness . It allows me to place the hologram within the preprinted placement area.
The picks keep fingerprints away... and was the most efficient way to place one hundred holograms per series.
My scratch offs are on a roll. They are just rolled off the paper by exposing the end of the scratch offs bottom. Align to the paper and just peel the paper from scratch off as it is stuck at the same time.. I could place 3 -4 a minute with the 5000 bit savings bond certs I made.
Rolling the holograms off the paper was not an option...
My holograms are rectangle.... I get what you mean by rotation tho.
It barely is in contact with the holograms stickyness . It allows me to place the hologram within the preprinted placement area.
The picks keep fingerprints away... and was the most efficient way to place one hundred holograms per series.
My scratch offs are on a roll. They are just rolled off the paper by exposing the end of the scratch offs bottom. Align to the paper and just peel the paper from scratch off as it is stuck at the same time.. I could place 3 -4 a minute with the 5000 bit savings bond certs I made.
Rolling the holograms off the paper was not an option...
My holograms are rectangle.... I get what you mean by rotation tho.
November 23, 2020, 10:58:04 AM
This may have been mentioned, skimmed the thread quickly but ..45:58 to see how Caldwell did it https://youtu.be/sZ-aUlNY9_g
November 23, 2020, 10:40:29 AM
hmmm - I use super fine tweezers but this looks to also be a great idea.
I use fine dental picks... to place my scratch offs and holograms
While I imagine you have your techniques down, I would discourage any users from using tools that may potentially damage the hologram even if you cannot see it with normal sight.
agreed the the super fine ones I have are very precise and contact is easily held without much pressure but I don't always get the rotation 100% spot on, I think the vac idea might make that easier.
Its almost complete....
cannot wait to see what you did!
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November 23, 2020, 10:34:48 AM
I am currently working on a collectable project
Forget the vacuum (great idea BTW), I'm more excited about a Krogoth project!
Can't wait to see what you're up to.
Geo
Its almost complete....
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November 23, 2020, 10:33:49 AM
This is not just for coin makers, but some precise art-making could use This trick. I think about how much pressure could the hologram take? Depending on the type of material you are going to put, it's challenging to hold it too much? It might damage the hologram.
Anyway, adjustable pressure and tip would be ideal for all types of crafts. Thanks for sharing this. I might use this in some of my projects.
Excited to see what you are working on
Anyway, adjustable pressure and tip would be ideal for all types of crafts. Thanks for sharing this. I might use this in some of my projects.
Excited to see what you are working on
It came with different tip sizes...and yes adjustable vac speeds
Edit...you can probably attach your own..
Example...buy a rubber suction cup...drill a hole in the middle...attach to the tip and voila...a larger surface area and stronger arrachment as well...also soft rubber instead of plastic..
https://www.uline.com/BL_8926/Suction-Cups?pricode=WT475&AdKeyword=rubber%20suction%20cups&AdMatchtype=e&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=CjwKCAiA2O39BRBjEiwApB2Ikp0d7hZln7bp_rjgLEI8KIAOhcuawl6_DEKXG3Rnji9jfjsECnh5rRoCsiEQAvD_BwE
November 23, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
This is not just for coin makers, but some precise art-making could use This trick. I think about how much pressure could the hologram take? Depending on the type of material you are going to put, it's challenging to hold it too much? It might damage the hologram.
Anyway, adjustable pressure and tip would be ideal for all types of crafts. Thanks for sharing this. I might use this in some of my projects.
Excited to see what you are working on
Anyway, adjustable pressure and tip would be ideal for all types of crafts. Thanks for sharing this. I might use this in some of my projects.
Excited to see what you are working on
November 23, 2020, 10:19:12 AM
I am currently working on a collectable project
Forget the vacuum (great idea BTW), I'm more excited about a Krogoth project!
Can't wait to see what you're up to.
Geo
November 23, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
I use fine dental picks... to place my scratch offs and holograms
November 23, 2020, 09:34:11 AM
hmmm - I use super fine tweezers but this looks to also be a great idea.
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November 23, 2020, 09:30:02 AM
Wanted to share with the collectable community an idea I am using for hologram placement.
Hope it helps current coin makers and future ones as well.
I am currently working on a collectable project and of course with it comes placing a hologram on top of the private key.
Initially I was just peeling with fingers and placing on top of private key area, but that left blemishes on the holo such as fingerprints and was not that accurate as it should be.
I asked around, MinerJones and Anonminer suggested the peel and place method, which works great and also prevents any blemishes from fingertips.
In the meanwhile I had been looking up another way, either something a bit tacky to grab the holo or a small vacuum pump pen..all this without damaging the hologram.
I went searching for the vacuum and came across this SMD vacuum pen..problem was the vacuum is finger pumped once...it does the job but yet sometimes vacuum was lost and holo fell off.
So I looked for something similar within the same price range....but didn't feel like paying what I found as I knew there had to be cheaper vacs.
That being said, I looked under black head removals as I know vacuum is used to do the job.
I came across a nice cheap small held vacuum on amazon. It comes into two different speeds and works perfectly.
Following is a video of the vacuum in action. I used stickers instead as I do not want to reveal my product just yet.
Ok...as promised I have come up with an even more precise way on applying holograms..especially for those with shaky hands!
I introduce the Krogoth Holomatic...
You can watch the video of it in action!>>>> https://imgur.com/a/sz3OetD
I have labeled each component, where you can buy and explained as follows...
A) Toggle Clamp 90 Degree
B) Hose Clamp
C) YaeTek Lab Stands Support and Lab Clamp Flask Clamp Condenser Clamp Stands 60CM
D) Pneumatic Air line 1/4" Od
E) Copper Brake Line Hose Tubing Kit 1/4"
F) Blackhead Remover Pore Vacuum
G) 1" suction cup
H) Permatex 84109 PermaPoxy 4 Minute Multi-Metal Epoxy, 0.84 oz.
If the vacuum is too great for your hologram, you can always install a small1/4" Hose Barb 3-Way Valve in the airline and bleed some air IN to regulate the amount of suction.
You do not have to buy from the sites I have shown you, as I have not. These are given as reference in case you need more information.
Once you place the holo on top you can either press down with your other hand or simply turn vacuum off and the hologram will disconnect from the tip..if not then simply use a finger to disconnect.
Hope it helps current coin makers and future ones as well.
I am currently working on a collectable project and of course with it comes placing a hologram on top of the private key.
Initially I was just peeling with fingers and placing on top of private key area, but that left blemishes on the holo such as fingerprints and was not that accurate as it should be.
I asked around, MinerJones and Anonminer suggested the peel and place method, which works great and also prevents any blemishes from fingertips.
In the meanwhile I had been looking up another way, either something a bit tacky to grab the holo or a small vacuum pump pen..all this without damaging the hologram.
I went searching for the vacuum and came across this SMD vacuum pen..problem was the vacuum is finger pumped once...it does the job but yet sometimes vacuum was lost and holo fell off.
So I looked for something similar within the same price range....but didn't feel like paying what I found as I knew there had to be cheaper vacs.
That being said, I looked under black head removals as I know vacuum is used to do the job.
I came across a nice cheap small held vacuum on amazon. It comes into two different speeds and works perfectly.
Following is a video of the vacuum in action. I used stickers instead as I do not want to reveal my product just yet.
Ok...as promised I have come up with an even more precise way on applying holograms..especially for those with shaky hands!
I introduce the Krogoth Holomatic...
You can watch the video of it in action!>>>> https://imgur.com/a/sz3OetD
I have labeled each component, where you can buy and explained as follows...
A) Toggle Clamp 90 Degree
B) Hose Clamp
C) YaeTek Lab Stands Support and Lab Clamp Flask Clamp Condenser Clamp Stands 60CM
D) Pneumatic Air line 1/4" Od
E) Copper Brake Line Hose Tubing Kit 1/4"
F) Blackhead Remover Pore Vacuum
G) 1" suction cup
H) Permatex 84109 PermaPoxy 4 Minute Multi-Metal Epoxy, 0.84 oz.
If the vacuum is too great for your hologram, you can always install a small1/4" Hose Barb 3-Way Valve in the airline and bleed some air IN to regulate the amount of suction.
You do not have to buy from the sites I have shown you, as I have not. These are given as reference in case you need more information.
Once you place the holo on top you can either press down with your other hand or simply turn vacuum off and the hologram will disconnect from the tip..if not then simply use a finger to disconnect.
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