KSA Initiates Slot Arcades Investigation as Role Model Ad Ban Looms

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 24, 2022, 06:32:58 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

Regardless of any moves to control gambling behavior, the effectiveness of any method will also depend on how determined the person is to help themselves cope with their gambling problems. Even how good the gambling recovery program is, if the gambler itself is not participating very well, that was all useless.

Self-exclusion is a good program and there's no question about that. But since gamblers always find a way, they might violate their own purpose why they self-exclude themselves from that particular casino or gambling site.

I also don't see preventing role models to advertise casinos will help with the issue. There are lots of marketing strategies that gambling operators can use and if that country is a gambling-friendly country, no need for any promotional activities when it comes to gambling.

I agree that this tool will only help those who are eager to exclude themselves from gambling and for those who are willing to control their gambling activities. If gambling addicts who are having a hard time dealing with addiction might only do things to pursue gambling in ways that they know. It will only be a big help for those who seek serious help and knows how to follow the rule of the said tool.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Today I read in the news that the Dutch Gambling Authority, has prohibited the use of role models in gambling ads. This law will take effect from June 30. The gambling industry is very regulated. Now casinos will have to get super creative and think outside the box to create captivating adverts. Also, investigations are ongoing regarding the failure of some gambling operators to check and prevent players who registered on the Cruks self-exclusion scheme from gaining access control in slot machine arcades. And they risk getting punished if they are found guilty.

Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

Bit unusual to jump from a government regulator banning a source of advertising, to whether self exclusion really works? As you say, gambling operators (or alcohol, or tobacco companies) are always looking for ways to get around existing laws and entering new sectors that might be under regulated, that's how these supposed role models seem to be the next target. It's looking like major football clubs might soon be banned from accepting betting sponsors and they reach a huge audience. After that we're likely to see a flood of celebrity endorsements while it is still available, which is likely to get regulated in most countries like the Dutch are doing now. It'll be interesting to see which companies go further "offshore" to avoid the regulation or whether they comply and lose a possibly lucrative advertising source. I guess it's the celebrity role models who would pay any penalties in this scenario..

The truth is that I am surprised that a country with so many freedoms has imposed something like this, I do not understand it, perhaps I would understand it from a country like China, Russia, Venezuela, which are clearly communist countries, but it is somewhat contradictory, however it is very difficult, because according to the inflows of money that these games show, I don't think that the bookmakers will remain with their arms crossed, they have a great business model there and it is obvious that they will look for a way to enter, perhaps with advertising that they do not be so demonstrative or use certain words that it prompts a form of fun without naming the keyword.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Today I read in the news that the Dutch Gambling Authority, has prohibited the use of role models in gambling ads. This law will take effect from June 30. The gambling industry is very regulated. Now casinos will have to get super creative and think outside the box to create captivating adverts. Also, investigations are ongoing regarding the failure of some gambling operators to check and prevent players who registered on the Cruks self-exclusion scheme from gaining access control in slot machine arcades. And they risk getting punished if they are found guilty.

Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

Bit unusual to jump from a government regulator banning a source of advertising, to whether self exclusion really works? As you say, gambling operators (or alcohol, or tobacco companies) are always looking for ways to get around existing laws and entering new sectors that might be under regulated, that's how these supposed role models seem to be the next target. It's looking like major football clubs might soon be banned from accepting betting sponsors and they reach a huge audience. After that we're likely to see a flood of celebrity endorsements while it is still available, which is likely to get regulated in most countries like the Dutch are doing now. It'll be interesting to see which companies go further "offshore" to avoid the regulation or whether they comply and lose a possibly lucrative advertising source. I guess it's the celebrity role models who would pay any penalties in this scenario..

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It takes a gambler's self-awareness to apply self-exclusion especially when it comes to gambling because gambling can attract gamblers to return to the casino and play longer than usual.
But if gamblers can really take responsibility for avoiding addiction, I think self-exclusion could work well.
But what needs to be paid attention to are people who have started to get addicted to gambling or are even addicted to gambling, so this should come first.
Those people need to be helped as soon as possible before they self-exclude because otherwise, they won't be able to do it.

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Boils down really on the gamblers, his will to not really go back in his old gambling habits. No doubt that programs are good we even have crypto sports bookies who already have this in place like,

The help is there for gamblers, and the challenge is there for crypto sports bookies to implement. So both sides are very important to make this program works.

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I have came across similar acts taken to restrict the usage of gambling sites within the country. During the pandemic as the complete country is shutdown there arose hundreds of gambling platforms. It is advertised in terms of gaming platforms, and a fast reading happens at the end of the advertisement. Gaming means, here more number of games are available, but what really happens is gambling. When we bet on something expecting positive outcome it is gambling. The last statement will be, this has got financial risk and you may get addicted to it. Play responsibly. This broadcast gets stopped for some time period when some problem arises. Later once again it comes back. I think governments will be paid big by this companies.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

Regardless of any moves to control gambling behavior, the effectiveness of any method will also depend on how determined the person is to help themselves cope with their gambling problems. Even how good the gambling recovery program is, if the gambler itself is not participating very well, that was all useless.

Self-exclusion is a good program and there's no question about that. But since gamblers always find a way, they might violate their own purpose why they self-exclude themselves from that particular casino or gambling site.

I also don't see preventing role models to advertise casinos will help with the issue. There are lots of marketing strategies that gambling operators can use and if that country is a gambling-friendly country, no need for any promotional activities when it comes to gambling.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

The first question is, will addicts register in the first place? If not then this self exclusion program is a complete failure. In our country we have this as well, but since the data is private and casino's are not going to disclose any information, we can't really measure if this is effective or not. And in cases that the gamblers violated their self exclusion then yeah they should be punished, maybe another extension of 6 months to a year. But the operators have the responsibility as well and then regulators to check if everything is being implemented or not.

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Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

No because based on the post, there are still players that continues to play gambling. It's not the gamblers that will be punished but it was the operators as stated on the post. If only they will do their jobs properly, no gamblers can pass thru their system and they are also the root cause on why there are addicted gamblers.

About the banning of ads, this was not the first one but there are post here before that talks about the ban of mascots, animals, sexy character and others that are being used in gambling advertisement. Indeed that casinos are now going to think hard on how can they continue advertising their casinos in a way that it can still turn heads.

Why would impose those restrictions if everything seems like had been blocked or prohibited? Why cant they just decide on banning it completely? It is clear as day that they dont really like gambling businesses considering into those limitations and restrictions that they had set out and those business owners will really be normally finding ways on how they would able to expand out or having that exposure.
If there are some restrictions and prohibitions then its just normal that you would really need to abide if you dont like for yourself on getting that headache later on.
Each country does have its own laws and regulations or different taking about gambling.So dont get be too surprised.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Today I read in the news that the Dutch Gambling Authority, has prohibited the use of role models in gambling ads. This law will take effect from June 30. The gambling industry is very regulated.

They are not the only country that does this and it's not something new offline casinos are really regulated even our country is regulating them to prevent minors from taking part in them.

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Now casinos will have to get super creative and think outside the box to create captivating adverts. Also, investigations are ongoing regarding the failure of some gambling operators to check and prevent players who registered on the Cruks self-exclusion scheme from gaining access control in slot machine arcades. And they risk getting punished if they are found guilty.

Casinos not to get in trouble should just adhere to what the regulator laid out in their rules, this is gambling and they are strict in implementation because it involves losing money and morality

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Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

No, it will not work some gamblers are just and will just ignore it, some of them are not even aware of the casino they are playing have it

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Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

No because based on the post, there are still players that continues to play gambling. It's not the gamblers that will be punished but it was the operators as stated on the post. If only they will do their jobs properly, no gamblers can pass thru their system and they are also the root cause on why there are addicted gamblers.

About the banning of ads, this was not the first one but there are post here before that talks about the ban of mascots, animals, sexy character and others that are being used in gambling advertisement. Indeed that casinos are now going to think hard on how can they continue advertising their casinos in a way that it can still turn heads.

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I await further news from you (June 30) how the decision will be formalized. Is it final and can be implemented well, or is it still in the process of developing event ideas.
So concerned some councils in this country are trying to keep minors out of copywriting models and role model.etc
They may also feel doubts that gambling in some countries is a source of income for the state. I appreciate this effort and it is very interesting to only accept those who are already quite 17+,
Even so, adults are often consumed by advertisements, but that's not the case.
regulations in some countries may be able to follow and the arrangement of eligibility procedures.
if this is done the team (gambling company) will have a new marketing strategy either a bigger bonus or a satisfying service for the slogan on the website

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When the countries find gambling addiction as a threat, automatically they focus on creating regulations to keep things under control. What we see here is a way to make gamblers get out of addiction registering on self exclusion. We don't know to what extent this will help a gambler, because without his control things won't workout through any plans.

Banning of ads is quite required, because this might drive the young population towards gambling which isn't fair. Young generation into gambling will make them stay within a limit and never lets the mind to think beyond gambling. This is not good for a country .

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Quote from: fiulpro on June 21, 2022, 12:57:38 PM

I think by role models they mean using someone as the face on the Gambling casino which means that indirectly the casinos which are already using Players and also actors might have to take a step back as well..at the end of the day this means that they would have to use not only advertising platforms but social platforms as well, restrictions would take a while to come into account but at the end of the day I do think it would be beneficial for sure since most kids are honestly following their role models without any judgements and other than that I do think Self Exclusion might have to work on a broader basis, not just one casino but mainly all the casinos which means they might have to use a strict application..

self-exclusion will only work if the player himself is determined to change his lifestyle. because if not, small temptation and he goes back to where he was. as these role models have good following of younger generation, this may be the reason why their government is just protecting some of their younger constituents. in this age, the use of social media is very rampant. so reaching out to this younger gen is very easy.

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I wouldn't be really shocked if this spread to everywhere, it never made any sense to be fair. I mean influencers are something that could impact it, but why go towards influencers into casino instead of casino into influencer method? Instead of people who are famous appearing on a casinos ad, it should be an influencer promoting the casino on their page instead, that would be a lot better and profitable for them.

Look at drake and stake for example, we get to see drake gambling there plenty plenty of times and that is how it should be. In any case, dutch are a bit weird about gambling, they do not even allow pack opening in games like 2k and fifa.

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I think by role models they mean using someone as the face on the Gambling casino which means that indirectly the casinos which are already using Players and also actors might have to take a step back as well..at the end of the day this means that they would have to use not only advertising platforms but social platforms as well, restrictions would take a while to come into account but at the end of the day I do think it would be beneficial for sure since most kids are honestly following their role models without any judgements and other than that I do think Self Exclusion might have to work on a broader basis, not just one casino but mainly all the casinos which means they might have to use a strict application..

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Today I read in the news that the Dutch Gambling Authority, has prohibited the use of role models in gambling ads.

This is a good, the status of these celebrities that many idolise should not be exploited by these casino's to promote their businesses. The money offered to some of the role models by these casino's is difficult to turn down, because even your role models need money. Some of these celebrities and role models may not even actually themselves be involved in gambling, but because of their status, people who look up to them may be enticed to use the services of a casino because it was endorsed by their role model.

In my country, a popular legendary footballer was made to dance for an advert for a gambling site, it was a very hilarious advertisement considering the status of this role model, but you can imagine the amount of money he was offered to do such. This is exactly what i mean by casino's and gambling platforms exploiting the popularity of a celebrity/role model.

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Does self-exclusion actually work?

It can actually work if after signing up for self exclusion, join a help group for people who signed up for exclusion as well. Together with others in a group, you can do better than trying to stay disciplined on your own.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

Self-exclusion can work for some people but I do not think it is nowhere near as effective as some people may believe it is, after all even if all the casinos in a single country participated into creating the best self-exclusion system they can as long as those people are willing to gamble they can still open an account at an online casino outside the country and gamble as much money as they want without facing any issue, so unless the addicted gamblers have already decided to give up gambling for good then the effectiveness of self-exclusion will be on the low side.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 18, 2022, 10:31:25 AM

That's very harsh those addicted to gambling should not be punished the authorities should help them get medical attention, they are not criminals to be punishe.

They need to be warned first at least because punishment will make things worst because the damage has already there and what they need to have along with the warning is some medical and mental advisers for them to consider stopping themselves from destroying themselves with the gambling addiction. Also, they need to give people consideration like free checkups and some other things to give them choices or to not play anymore because they cannot handle themselves anymore because of their addiction. What these people needs are care, not punishment.

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Gambling is here for centuries so banning some celebrities from promoting them will not stop the gambling but they do it for the sake of doing it and nothing else. Gambling isn't wrong or sin, its good as long as we do it in the right way so the self exclusion or banning celebrity from promotions won't stop people from doing it or even why they didn't ban the gambling is they want to stop the gambling activities?

Its just more pain for the casinos because they are trying to restrict them from making profits with more tax and a lot of limitations.

I guess you may have misunderstood the point of banning celebrities from promoting gambling adverts in the public which to me is a good move, since most kids and underage children see these celebrities as a role model, and seeing them advertising gambling may be a plot that can lure under age into gambling.

So we are going to agree that kids are too stupid in this generation who simply follows everything what a popular individual is showing to them?

Maybe yes, but the ban of celebrity from advertising can stop the minors as well? simply a popup ad while surfing the random website can never be stopped so this is just same as the celebrity ban.

Atleast the government can introduce convincing regulations and awareness of such acts with the same celebrity about explaining the risks of activities who act in such ads can open eyes of the minors right?

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Today I read in the news that the Dutch Gambling Authority, has prohibited the use of role models in gambling ads. This law will take effect from June 30.

Not really a good move because the casino will still make money even if they put unknown actors on their ads, and gamblers will still gamble

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The gambling industry is very regulated. Now casinos will have to get super creative and think outside the box to create captivating adverts.

Very regulated but casinos still raked millions and its still a billion-dollar industry, they can do whatever kind of regulation but the gambling industry will still set new records every year

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Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

That's very harsh those addicted to gambling should not be punished the authorities should help them get medical attention, they are not criminals to be punishe.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on June 18, 2022, 02:17:26 AM

Gambling is here for centuries so banning some celebrities from promoting them will not stop the gambling but they do it for the sake of doing it and nothing else. Gambling isn't wrong or sin, its good as long as we do it in the right way so the self exclusion or banning celebrity from promotions won't stop people from doing it or even why they didn't ban the gambling is they want to stop the gambling activities?

Its just more pain for the casinos because they are trying to restrict them from making profits with more tax and a lot of limitations.

I guess you may have misunderstood the point of banning celebrities from promoting gambling adverts in the public which to me is a good move, since most kids and underage children see these celebrities as a role model, and seeing them advertising gambling may be a plot that can lure under age into gambling.
But the point of self-exclusion is a different case and it can't be stopped, take for instance if a player is self excluded from casino A he/her can simply create a new account on casino B and continue gambling unnoticed.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

I don't think there will be repercussions on the side of the gambler when they failed to follow their own self-exclusion terms. But it would be better if fines were to be imposed, because in that case the problematic gambler would really think before trying to break their isolation from gambling platforms. If ever this goes full steam, this will give a chance to problematic gamblers to curb their addiction before it sets them to do stupid things even further and to possibly lose everything they have. The ban on gambling adverts and self-exclusion is a start, and a very much welcome strategy especially if full implementation becomes realized.

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Gambling is here for centuries so banning some celebrities from promoting them will not stop the gambling but they do it for the sake of doing it and nothing else. Gambling isn't wrong or sin, its good as long as we do it in the right way so the self exclusion or banning celebrity from promotions won't stop people from doing it or even why they didn't ban the gambling is they want to stop the gambling activities?

Its just more pain for the casinos because they are trying to restrict them from making profits with more tax and lot of limitations.

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The regulation may limit advertisements that are considered intrusive or may attract minors to gamble freely. But if it's to limit minors, I think it also depends on how parents look after their children because no matter how strict the rules, if parents can't do their job as parents, it won't work out well.

In addition, self-exclusion can also work if gamblers are aware that they can take care of themselves in playing gambling and have a responsibility not to become addicted. If they could have that, I think self-exclusion would work as it should.

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Quote from: Yogee on June 17, 2022, 06:21:43 PM

Banning role models from participating in gambling related ads looks like a good move. Kids who look up to these people may be saved from gambling addiction because of that. Maybe Dutch Gambling Authority should completely ban all adverts.

I will say so too, it would be a good move, it has come to the time that gambling ads are advertised on the many channels that kids are watching. In my country, even the biggest show is sponsored many times by the biggest betting platform in my country, many people are exposed to this including kids and teens that are lesser than 18 years of age. Not only that, it goes beyond, YouTube videos partaining to my country are full of gambling ads, and many more like that. I will still prefer gambling to be advertised on a forum like this rather than online places that kids and teens are visiting often.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 17, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

...Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work?

This is the second thread about self-exclusion in an hour hehe. These laws and policies doesn't completely work just like how other laws doesn't totally prevent people from committing other crimes.

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And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

The rule seems more focus on the gambling operators than the gamblers.

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Banning role models from participating in gambling related ads looks like a good move. Kids who look up to these people may be saved from gambling addiction because of that. Maybe Dutch Gambling Authority should completely ban all adverts.

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Today I read in the news that the Dutch Gambling Authority, has prohibited the use of role models in gambling ads. This law will take effect from June 30. The gambling industry is very regulated. Now casinos will have to get super creative and think outside the box to create captivating adverts. Also, investigations are ongoing regarding the failure of some gambling operators to check and prevent players who registered on the Cruks self-exclusion scheme from gaining access control in slot machine arcades. And they risk getting punished if they are found guilty.

Again, this begs the question. Does self-exclusion actually work? And in this case, will the gamblers be punished also for failing to take responsibility for their recovery from addiction despite registering in the self-exclusion scheme?

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